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Post by sinjin on Dec 22, 2008 10:26:09 GMT -5
Did you ever think that if some from the FB-group is scum and some is town (very likely IMO) - the way this is going is to play right into the hands of scum? This is actually what I think and I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer. It would be damn stupid if all the scum were holding hands singing kumbaya. What I saw and commented on was a series of posts that raised the hairs on the back of my neck. Perhaps an anecdote from my first game will help explain my concerns. I was town in Firefly and almost got lynched on day one because although I had read a couple of games I didn't appreciate the finer points of how it was played. Cookies came to my defense several times and basically saved me from going on the chopping block. Later she made the infamous 'a' vs 'the' scum detective slip. I was positive she was town and defended her and sure enough she turned up scum. Scum know who is and is not scum. Town, unless they are investigators know nothing except who they are. So I see: Shaggy defending AH, totallost, and Mitey Totallost defending AH AH defending totallost in this thread in a very short period of time and yep, it makes me nervous. Finally, totallost, if one or more of you is scum and we don't talk about this don't you think THAT is playing into the hands of scum?
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Post by sinjin on Dec 22, 2008 10:29:16 GMT -5
Idle, can you fix the quote tag up there? ThanksIf I have time I will be going back over my notes today or tomorrow. After about mid-day on the 26th I think I will be without internets until Jan. 2.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 22, 2008 10:43:58 GMT -5
To say you vote for someone because they have played on FB is very un-cool. It meta-gaming in a very pro-scum way. This look like I was saying Sinjin voted for that reason - I didn't mean that. But as far as I can tell a part of SANTOS vote for me is still based on the FB-idea. Never meant to smudge Sinjin with a vote that was never there - really sorry. Look. I explicitly stated Yesterday that that 85% of my vote was because of the way it appears you were exhibiting perfect knowledge. I'm not sure that it's possible to have a higher percentage than that, while still having other reasons factor in. peeker, known town, mentioned he was a bit concerned in passing. I mentioned in a single post that it was something I was worried that it could be dangerous, since unless you were sure of another player's alignment, it was dangerous to trust them just because you were familiar with they're style. And what was the response? Oh my fucking god we're not on the same fucking team all the other FB players look like town to me you used to play on FB how come you can't tell they're town like I can tell they're town why do you think some of us might be scum TEH SUXORS!!!one111!!!!!
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 22, 2008 11:11:33 GMT -5
This look like I was saying Sinjin voted for that reason - I didn't mean that. But as far as I can tell a part of SANTOS vote for me is still based on the FB-idea. Never meant to smudge Sinjin with a vote that was never there - really sorry. Look. I explicitly stated Yesterday that that 85% of my vote was because of the way it appears you were exhibiting perfect knowledge. I'm not sure that it's possible to have a higher percentage than that, while still having other reasons factor in. peeker, known town, mentioned he was a bit concerned in passing. I mentioned in a single post that it was something I was worried that it could be dangerous, since unless you were sure of another player's alignment, it was dangerous to trust them just because you were familiar with they're style. And what was the response? Oh my fucking god we're not on the same fucking team all the other FB players look like town to me you used to play on FB how come you can't tell they're town like I can tell they're town why do you think some of us might be scum TEH SUXORS!!!one111!!!!!Why don't you go grow a cock the same size as your ego - then you can lick yourself and still have cock to spare! Not everything I say in here about the FB-line (Zeriel did you explode??) is a direct answer to you. Some was directed at Sinjin and some at AlomosH.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 22, 2008 11:18:54 GMT -5
Did you ever think that if some from the FB-group is scum and some is town (very likely IMO) - the way this is going is to play right into the hands of scum? This is actually what I think and I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer. It would be damn stupid if all the scum were holding hands singing kumbaya. What I saw and commented on was a series of posts that raised the hairs on the back of my neck. Perhaps an anecdote from my first game will help explain my concerns. I was town in Firefly and almost got lynched on day one because although I had read a couple of games I didn't appreciate the finer points of how it was played. Cookies came to my defense several times and basically saved me from going on the chopping block. Later she made the infamous 'a' vs 'the' scum detective slip. I was positive she was town and defended her and sure enough she turned up scum. Scum know who is and is not scum. Town, unless they are investigators know nothing except who they are. So I see: Shaggy defending AH, totallost, and Mitey Totallost defending AH AH defending totallost in this thread in a very short period of time and yep, it makes me nervous. Finally, totallost, if one or more of you is scum and we don't talk about this don't you think THAT is playing into the hands of scum? [/quote] I can fully appreciate this - and I agree!! What I really don't like is when someone consolidated my actions with others. I expect to be held accountable for MY actions - and I really don't like to be aligned with other for metagame reasons. Can you see why I try to stop that? I never HAD a problem voting MiteyM (I did it in Day 1 for a very long time...) I never meant for you to stop talking about my actions (not at all) but I can't see why my actions should be connected to AH or others. I didn't feel I defended her - but Zeriel and you see it otherwise. I might not have made my self clear enough - sorry for that.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 22, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5
I meant for it to look like this: This is actually what I think and I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer. It would be damn stupid if all the scum were holding hands singing kumbaya. What I saw and commented on was a series of posts that raised the hairs on the back of my neck. Perhaps an anecdote from my first game will help explain my concerns. I was town in Firefly and almost got lynched on day one because although I had read a couple of games I didn't appreciate the finer points of how it was played. Cookies came to my defense several times and basically saved me from going on the chopping block. Later she made the infamous 'a' vs 'the' scum detective slip. I was positive she was town and defended her and sure enough she turned up scum. Scum know who is and is not scum. Town, unless they are investigators know nothing except who they are. So I see: Shaggy defending AH, totallost, and Mitey Totallost defending AH AH defending totallost in this thread in a very short period of time and yep, it makes me nervous. Finally, totallost, if one or more of you is scum and we don't talk about this don't you think THAT is playing into the hands of scum? I can fully appreciate this - and I agree!! What I really don't like is when someone consolidated my actions with others. I expect to be held accountable for MY actions - and I really don't like to be aligned with other for metagame reasons. Can you see why I try to stop that? I never HAD a problem voting MiteyM (I did it in Day 1 for a very long time...) I never meant for you to stop talking about my actions (not at all) but I can't see why my actions should be connected to AH or others. I didn't feel I defended her - but Zeriel and you see it otherwise. I might not have made my self clear enough - sorry for that.[/quote]
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 22, 2008 11:43:12 GMT -5
Why don't you go grow a cock the same size as your ego - then you can lick yourself and still have cock to spare! That would be quite nice. But let's stick to the facts here. Please point to where I said, hinted, or implied that everything you say is in direct response to me. I didn't mean for this point to explode; I was simply pointing out an observation I made. However, the defensiveness is telling, IMHO.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 22, 2008 12:57:14 GMT -5
I'm really distracted what with christmas and all, but I'm trying to at least read along. I will say the voting and fosing over people trying to metagame the split and the win condition is silly. And you don't think it's silly to suggest we stop hunting scum/pfk? That is not meta-gaming. silly yes, but not necessarily a scum tell
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 22, 2008 17:59:12 GMT -5
Total Lost - 2 votes (zeriel, santo rugger) Almost Human - 1 vote (Nanook)
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 23, 2008 7:03:26 GMT -5
Bwuh.
Hermphle schnigbigdit, lofarp dwiggle florp.
Clurk.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 23, 2008 9:53:06 GMT -5
Stay with us, Kid, we're losing you.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 23, 2008 23:26:11 GMT -5
*chirp*
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 24, 2008 7:11:29 GMT -5
Yawn
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 24, 2008 7:13:25 GMT -5
Yawn girl...get out of my mind. My love for you is way out of line. Better run, girl! You're much too yawn, girl.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 24, 2008 11:06:14 GMT -5
OK, so work should be slow today. I'm going to go over the previous night and what we've got so far today with a fine toothed comb. ToDay is really bugging me, the way it's evolved, and a couple of the interactions have been ... interesting.
"I'll be back" /off arnie
And also, somebody hit Idle with a large wet fish, please. I can't reach.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 24, 2008 11:36:26 GMT -5
Just popping on quickly, to catch up and post my thoughts, while I have internet access. I have to say nice job in getting everyone to spend the last while not talking about who is suspicious, or maybe SCUM/PFK, but about meta-game relationships. I am sure the SCUM must love this right now, everyone has been distracted from actually dealing with the game. This is really odd conversation, I don't care where I know you from, if I see something odd I will raise it, but if I see just simple questions because of being unsure, then I see no point in hounding them. Bringing up this meta-game alliances have done nothing but get us off topic and unfocused, no wonder we have miss-lynched a lot. I will vote for you regardless of my personal opinion of you, just ask the FB people I murdered my own wife in the last game on that board. How I know you is not relevant to this game or any game but a distraction from it. As I said SCUM must be having a field day with this. Makes me think somebody wants us distracted and to not be thinking of the game, hhhmmm. Well I am gonna reread and today or tomorrow place my vote for the day.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 24, 2008 17:12:02 GMT -5
Almost Human, N3.33: As I've said previously, this reads to me like AH would like us to believe that the scum are not split. She's refuted that assertion, and I don't have anything further to say about it at this time. I include it only because I plan to note everything thats bugged me. totallost, D4.10: I don't understand how you get from "scum kill at night" to "scum win condition isn't changing". When I see leaps of logic like this, the first thing I think is PIS. Could you explain what one has to do with the other, and how you arrived at the above opinion? totallost, D4.37: I forget who coined the term, but this looks a lot like a snuggle. More on this later. shaggy, D4.40: Also a snuggle. Again, more later. Almost Human, D4.41: This is very very problematic to me. See, I've got 5 bucks that sez Story didn't post that trust list for our benefit. At the time, I wasn't sure of his motivation, and just noted it. Now that his alignment is confirmed, I'm fairly certain that this list was intended to be a bit of a trap, to see how folks reacted to it. AH, it's one thing to use a known town players opinion to help clarify your own thought process. Citing it (and little else) as a vote looks bad, though. Nanook thoroughly explained his thought processes behind his vote switch, so your vote here is based on 1) an accusation Nanook has been cleared of, and 2) a trust list that re-indicted Nanook based on the above charge, after he'd explained himself. Re: the snuggling... Here's the thing. Sinjin has articulated nicely most of what I'm feeling here. Posting "trust lists" or defending other players based on intuition is almost never a net benefit for Town. If the player doing the snuggling is Town, scum will work to manipulate those feelings. The player doing the snuggling can also be scum, working to build Towny cred. I'm not sure it's relevant that all the folks involved in this little episode are facebook vets, except to the extent that you're all more comfortable playing with eachother than the rest of us, and that "comfort" could be leading you to false conclusions, and the scum could be loving that. Or maybe you're all scum, playing (deliberately?) clumsy... I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. Rolling all of the above into a nice neat little vote, I'm going to Vote Almost Human[/color].
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 25, 2008 13:26:39 GMT -5
Talkative bunch we've got, here.
I'm at my parent's house, I probably won't be on much until next year, but I'm pretty happy with my vote as things stand. I'll try to check in once a day or so, but my laptop is in the "shop"*, and computer time at my parent's house is both limited and competitive.
Cheers, Merry Christmas! Don't drive drunk, fuckers!
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Post by shaggy on Dec 25, 2008 15:16:02 GMT -5
Re: the snuggling... Here's the thing. Sinjin has articulated nicely most of what I'm feeling here. Posting "trust lists" or defending other players based on intuition is almost never a net benefit for Town. If the player doing the snuggling is Town, scum will work to manipulate those feelings. The player doing the snuggling can also be scum, working to build Towny cred. I'm not sure it's relevant that all the folks involved in this little episode are facebook vets, except to the extent that you're all more comfortable playing with eachother than the rest of us, and that "comfort" could be leading you to false conclusions, and the scum could be loving that. Or maybe you're all scum, playing (deliberately?) clumsy... I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. I agree that using meta-game relationships, and past games to determine this one is bad. It can lead to screw up's in assumptions. However on the flip side one could ask is it not just as plausable that the SCUM are playing on those past relationships or lack there of, to create false conclusions? I do think that we have wasted to much time on this, and that makes this day all the more hard. Luckly I realized I will be back, before the day ends on Sunday. So I can hold off and hope more develops. I am unsure where to place a vote, out of seeing suspicion in lots but rational and explanable reasons behind alot of those reasons. Anyways I wish you all a great Christmas, and hope you all have a wonderful day! I will be offline till Saturday evening, talk to you all then.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 26, 2008 13:54:07 GMT -5
Ok, I had my vote on totallost for most of day one. And I've Fos'ed her today. Unfortunatly, I can't access my notes now, they're on the other computer, and I probably won't have access later.
Something that happened on Night 1/Day 2 that pinged me too. MHaye voted for tl and said he had some qualms about his "bacon-buddies*" He then said he was going to take a good long look at story because of the bufftabby express story led. At the end of the night he came back and basically said he found nothing scummy about story's actions.
If I recall correctly tl subsequently came out Day 2 with a statement about how the scum were probably upset that they offed Mhaye hoping that he would be silenced before he posted. I found this statement ironic at the time considering that the now dead MHaye's vote remained on tl at the end. Does anyone else remember this?
So because I thought she was scummy Day one and still do;
vote: totallost
*something about Danish bacon?
Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm posting this while we are driving down the road and will probably not have internet access until Jan. 2.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 27, 2008 3:05:14 GMT -5
Ok, I had my vote on totallost for most of day one. And I've Fos'ed her today. Unfortunatly, I can't access my notes now, they're on the other computer, and I probably won't have access later. Something that happened on Night 1/Day 2 that pinged me too. MHaye voted for tl and said he had some qualms about his "bacon-buddies*" He then said he was going to take a good long look at story because of the bufftabby express story led. At the end of the night he came back and basically said he found nothing scummy about story's actions. If I recall correctly tl subsequently came out Day 2 with a statement about how the scum were probably upset that they offed Mhaye hoping that he would be silenced before he posted. I found this statement ironic at the time considering that the now dead MHaye's vote remained on tl at the end. Does anyone else remember this? So because I thought she was scummy Day one and still do; vote: totallost
*something about Danish bacon? Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm posting this while we are driving down the road and will probably not have internet access until Jan. 2. I remember it but it wasn't TL who mentioned it but me. I thought it was significant that MHaye had been suspicious of story and was the one chosen to be killed. I speculated that perhaps the scum were hoping his suspicion would bring more focus on story and that MHaye's post may have pissed them off. Oh, and yes, the Danes make very popular bacon Hope everyone's having a great holiday. I will vote but I want to reread everything properly first and filter out the facts from the noise. I think a lot of toDay's been spent with us regressing to hair pulling and pinching and I include myself in that. So I'm going to look at everything again and try and post something relatively sensible!
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 27, 2008 5:09:51 GMT -5
As everyone else I don't have as much time these days on the computer as normally. So I went and read NAFs points on anti-town versus pro-scum. I'm sure you all remember (if not look here: boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10605282&postcount=145Anyway - talking (and having bad ideas) can be anti-town. But if we can't talk or even just think a bit out loud then how are we to catch scum? Are we to just sit back and wait for the power roles to catch scum for us? I was once told (and I agree with the statement very much) that a vanilla Towns greatest job in this game is to put forward ideas and ways to catch scum - and of course risk getting lynch or NKed in the process. Town needs new ideas - and we need to be able to talk about them without getting voted for - or else town will just stay quiet and try to stay alive. How is that going to help us? To disagree ia one thing. I might find myself pro-town in my thinking, but you may see my actions as anti-town. I never said I didn't want to lynch scum. I never said that I knew the scum WC didn't change (I tried to bring this subject up earlier - but no one seems to think it is important to discuss). I did say I thought we should speculate about a way to play with the WC constantly changing. Oh, and thanks for giving me something more to go on besides Almost Human's little bit of phrasing last Night. unvote Almost Human vote Total Lost, for stopping to think even for a second that seriously pursuing a strategy of "kill all town" was a good idea. To try to stop someone from talking is to me not just anti-town but pro-scum, so I'm going to Vote Zeriel
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 27, 2008 5:13:35 GMT -5
I didn't mean for this point to explode; I was simply pointing out an observation I made. However, the defensiveness is telling, IMHO. Really? Because to me it is the repeated accusation that is telling...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 27, 2008 14:34:50 GMT -5
Really? Because to me it is the repeated accusation that is telling... Kindly point out where I've accused anybody? All I've done is pointed out an observation that I made, and then stated that it's very dangerous for people who may or may not know they're on the same team to snuggle. I don't recall making any accusations pertaining to said snuggling.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 27, 2008 14:52:16 GMT -5
Really? Because to me it is the repeated accusation that is telling... Kindly point out where I've accused anybody? All I've done is pointed out an observation that I made, and then stated that it's very dangerous for people who may or may not know they're on the same team to snuggle. I don't recall making any accusations pertaining to said snuggling. Sorry - I should have made that more clear. I keep saying that I'm tired of this FB-clan-issue. You seem worn out too - and Zeriels head is about to explode. Yet I still seem to be held accountable for other FB-players actions. As AH pointed out - I didn't speculate about MHayes NK (she did) You seem to think that I can't vote for MiteyM (yet I did a long time during Day 1) Sinjin seems to think I worth voting for because AH and/or Shaggy said they didn't see me as scummy. Let's just leave it here - as a point to re-visit when we get more data. I don't see anyway town can befine for you and I to go over this anymore (if you disagree - I know you let me know). Oh, yeah... since the Christmas spirit is all around us: I guess I didn't take your condescension size 5 very well the other day... I apologise and would like to state for the record that I have no way of knowing if your ego really is bigger
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 27, 2008 14:59:45 GMT -5
Total Lost - 3 votes (zeriel, santo rugger, sinjin) Almost Human - 2 votes (Nanook, KidV) Zeriel - 1 vote (total lost)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 27, 2008 15:00:22 GMT -5
A little over 24 hours left.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 27, 2008 15:18:43 GMT -5
OK I've done a reread and I'm a bit happier about what to do now: So on the one hand he's saying Mighty should have been lynched while at the same time saying he's sure she's town. If she's town then there's no reason for her to lie about her role pm which said that the WC would continue to change even after her death. I know we can't check back to see what she wrote but I'm sure most of you remember that as it was such a big part of that Day's discussion. Now that looks more like PIS than anything else I've seen so far. totallost and that was part of my point yesterday about the win condition, among my half joke. I don't see how we can be givin a WC that is un-obtainable. So I fully agree that as a town we need to win but at the same time, if we lynch ourselves and then the WC changes back, then the lynch will end up being meaningless. Since the WC changes each day, presumably tomorrow the WC will be differant, in fact as we meander down this weird path, I try to think possitivly that it will end with the usual WC of town survive and SCUM dead. The change to the WC adds flavour to the game, but to many are getting fixated on it, and the SCUM I think are trying to get it that way, so we look away from the final and ultimate end WC, to survive!!!!
I thought idle said we can not vote for people in the other thread. (bolding mine) could just be his turn of phrase but I'd have said to kill all scum/pfk not survive - it just doesn't sound town. A small point on it's own. *****FLUFF***** Well I fly out today so I will be off for a few days, I promise on tuesday to catch up and post my thoughts. I will be voting on thursday as that will be the last day I can vote. Till then I am holding off.
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I do have to say, What is with the ripping into AH and TL ? I asked the same thing, but they did it in a more easy to understand way. The more I see the more I have them pegged as town! Seeing as they are more coherant then me, but similar ideas. So I have a question about this snuggling business. I'd always understood that scum were more likely to snuggle town than the other way around. If that's the case then shaggy does seem to be doing so more than most although it could just mean he's got a better read on me! It could also mean he knows damn well I'm town though. Just popping on quickly, to catch up and post my thoughts, while I have internet access. I have to say nice job in getting everyone to spend the last while not talking about who is suspicious, or maybe SCUM/PFK, but about meta-game relationships. I am sure the SCUM must love this right now, everyone has been distracted from actually dealing with the game. This is really odd conversation, I don't care where I know you from, if I see something odd I will raise it, but if I see just simple questions because of being unsure, then I see no point in hounding them. Bringing up this meta-game alliances have done nothing but get us off topic and unfocused, no wonder we have miss-lynched a lot. I will vote for you regardless of my personal opinion of you, just ask the FB people I murdered my own wife in the last game on that board. How I know you is not relevant to this game or any game but a distraction from it. As I said SCUM must be having a field day with this. Makes me think somebody wants us distracted and to not be thinking of the game, hhhmmm. Well I am gonna reread and today or tomorrow place my vote for the day. (bolding mine) I was actually also thinking that the scum were trying to distract us with all this FB talk and stuff but on rereading last Night and toDay I no longer think so. There wasn't a great deal to go on toDay and without the benefit of previous Day's posts then the littlest thing is going to come under scrutiny. Also, those mentioning the whole FB thing (sinjin and santo) didn't base their votes or lack of them on that anyway. Frankly, if I wasn't amongst the people they were talking about I'd have wondered about it too. It doesn't give me any indication as to their allignments but I don't see their suspicions as anything other than that...suspicions. The bolding part of the post is because, again, the wording pinged me. "I'm sure the scum must love this" and "no wonder we have mis-lynched a lot" strikes me as not so subtle gloating.
Re: the snuggling... Here's the thing. Sinjin has articulated nicely most of what I'm feeling here. Posting "trust lists" or defending other players based on intuition is almost never a net benefit for Town. If the player doing the snuggling is Town, scum will work to manipulate those feelings. The player doing the snuggling can also be scum, working to build Towny cred. I'm not sure it's relevant that all the folks involved in this little episode are facebook vets, except to the extent that you're all more comfortable playing with eachother than the rest of us, and that "comfort" could be leading you to false conclusions, and the scum could be loving that. Or maybe you're all scum, playing (deliberately?) clumsy... I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
I agree that using meta-game relationships, and past games to determine this one is bad. It can lead to screw up's in assumptions. However on the flip side one could ask is it not just as plausable that the SCUM are playing on those past relationships or lack there of, to create false conclusions?
I do think that we have wasted to much time on this, and that makes this day all the more hard. Luckly I realized I will be back, before the day ends on Sunday. So I can hold off and hope more develops. I am unsure where to place a vote, out of seeing suspicion in lots but rational and explanable reasons behind alot of those reasons.
Anyways I wish you all a great Christmas, and hope you all have a wonderful day! I will be offline till Saturday evening, talk to you all then. And this really sums up the whole of your posts since we've been separated. A whole lot of telling people off for wasting time arguing but no opinions on who you think is scummy. molefan claimed vanilla on Day 1 and then subbed out. People said "scum would never do that" Screw it: vote shaggy
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 27, 2008 15:38:32 GMT -5
Almost Human, N3.33:
As I've said previously, this reads to me like AH would like us to believe that the scum are not split. She's refuted that assertion, and I don't have anything further to say about it at this time. I include it only because I plan to note everything thats bugged me.
It was one of the possibilities I put forward, the other was that there were no scum. I didn't think of it at the time but I suppose it's possible there could be a scum group that just couldn't communicate though that seems as unlikely as, say, the board splitting into two and half of us being thrown into a different world! I thought I was onto something because (to me) it seemed pretty unbalanced if the scum were still able to communicate with each other while we couldn't. Nobody else seems to think so though so *shrugs* I have a problem with this because you're using other people's actions to prove my scumminess. I know and I've got no defence for that. Which is why I unvoted him unconditionally. You say story's posting his trust list for our benefit. I'm not sure what you mean by that as you were also on it. The reason I perhaps took it more seriously than you is because I know I'm town so I figured there was a good chance his other guesses were correct. But as you and nanook said that isn't a good enough reason for a vote, hence the unvote. [/size][/quote] So just to get this straight - your vote for me is based on my scum/no scum theory, my (admittedly poor) reasons for voting nanook and the fact that other people have defended me?
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Post by shaggy on Dec 27, 2008 22:31:03 GMT -5
OK I've done a reread and I'm a bit happier about what to do now: could just be his turn of phrase but I'd have said to kill all scum/pfk not survive - it just doesn't sound town. A small point on it's own. So by saying town survive instead of scum/pfk all dead, that makes a differance? Seems like rather word symantics to me, seeing as town surviving means they are dead, so why spell out what is obviously implied? So I have a question about this snuggling business. I'd always understood that scum were more likely to snuggle town than the other way around. If that's the case then shaggy does seem to be doing so more than most although it could just mean he's got a better read on me! It could also mean he knows damn well I'm town though. So it is a bad thing that I have apparent good read on people here? Gee not to sound like AH, but should I just stop talking about my opinion then? I was actually also thinking that the scum were trying to distract us with all this FB talk and stuff but on rereading last Night and toDay I no longer think so. There wasn't a great deal to go on toDay and without the benefit of previous Day's posts then the littlest thing is going to come under scrutiny. Also, those mentioning the whole FB thing (sinjin and santo) didn't base their votes or lack of them on that anyway. Frankly, if I wasn't amongst the people they were talking about I'd have wondered about it too. It doesn't give me any indication as to their allignments but I don't see their suspicions as anything other than that...suspicions. This is just confusing, you were suspicious, but now your not because of rereading. And the only thing today has been the FB talk, but instead of being suspicious of those that are talking about it, your suspicious of the one that is not getting why they are talking about it? That to me just makes no sence. As well a little suspicous of it's own. The bolding part of the post is because, again, the wording pinged me. "I'm sure the scum must love this" and "no wonder we have mis-lynched a lot" strikes me as not so subtle gloating. It is not me gloating it is me seeing what is going on and voicing my concern and my opinion here. I just get the image of the scum out there, sitting back and enjoying what we are doing, bickering with each other, over word symantics, and past relationships. Once again should I just shut up and not talk? And this really sums up the whole of your posts since we've been separated. A whole lot of telling people off for wasting time arguing but no opinions on who you think is scummy. Well considering that we have not had mush talking and what talking is going on, is sinjin and zeriel talking about the FB vs Mafia and then santo being dragged into it, which makes me understand why he is yelling. Do i really need to spell out who I obviously am talking about? Sorry I kinda figured it is a given, whom I was suspecting. Since it is not like there is alot of people talking here to get mixed up. Well I supose since the WC is kill town, and I am the one with no powers or anything, I can not exactly say OMG you suck, I would be the logical choice if everyone just wants to stick with the WC lynch. But since the WC will change, it's not like anything will be gained by lynching me, but hey vote away if you want. I am suspicious of zeriel and sinjin cause to me it seems they were pushing the whole FB vs Mafia thing, and to me that just does not sit right at all. It just seemed like they were creating controversy where there should be none. So I vote sinjin . As I said it just seems to me like sinjin is using the FB past meta-game relationships to create suspicion.
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