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Post by shaggy on Dec 27, 2008 22:32:58 GMT -5
just to make sure it is more clear whom I vote for: vote sinjin
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 27, 2008 22:46:34 GMT -5
I am suspicious of zeriel and sinjin cause to me it seems they were pushing the whole FB vs Mafia thing, and to me that just does not sit right at all. Point to me where I pushed the facebook crap or said anything about it other than I was sick of it. You got me messed up with Santo or something.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 27, 2008 23:52:01 GMT -5
In response to shaggy. You didn't bother answering the first part of my post which was why do you think Mighty is town (therefore telling the truth about her role pm) while at the same time thinking she should be killed. As for the points you brought up:
(bolding mine)
I'd not have bothered bringing this up as I thought I'd typed enough but in light of your blatant misrepresentation of the facts regarding who was and wasn't talking about FB I just want to point out that this isn't the first time you've snuggled up to santo.
Well I supose since the WC is kill town, and I am the one with no powers or anything, I can not exactly say OMG you suck, I would be the logical choice if everyone just wants to stick with the WC lynch. But since the WC will change, it's not like anything will be gained by lynching me, but hey vote away if you want.
I am suspicious of zeriel and sinjin cause to me it seems they were pushing the whole FB vs Mafia thing, and to me that just does not sit right at all. It just seemed like they were creating controversy where there should be none. So I vote sinjin . As I said it just seems to me like sinjin is using the FB past meta-game relationships to create suspicion. I've pretty much explained what I think of this in the above post.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 27, 2008 23:53:59 GMT -5
Aargh sorry I've screwed up the coding. Yell if you can't work out which bits are me. Right now I'm off to bed cos it's almost 5am
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Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 28, 2008 0:46:33 GMT -5
okay I'm still not sure who to vote for however I have a slight issue.
No one said fb is mafia. What was said is that we're seeing the fbers sticking together and that this seems to be a case of assumed innocence by familiarity. With that being the case what's being looked at is whether one or two fbers are mafia, not all of them.
I thought that was rather clear, which now makes me suspicious of shaggy.
In fact I have changed my mind, but am preserving my though process.
Due to the above and the whole messing at the beginning when the subbing in occurred, and I think maybe something in the middle but I don't remember and can't access the middle, but definitely the messing about at the beginning with the subbing in and the reaction of shaggy to the don't get too buddy buddy discussion, which honestly seems to be aiming at promoting an us v them mentality in the fb section:
(deep breath)
Vote Shaggy
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 11:12:59 GMT -5
In response to shaggy. You didn't bother answering the first part of my post which was why do you think Mighty is town (therefore telling the truth about her role pm) while at the same time thinking she should be killed. That would be cause we know, if she is telling the truth that the weather will continue after she is dead, what we do not know is if the WC will. We assumed that it would too, but there is just as much chance that the weather will keep changing but not the WC. Since we keep getting distracted by the WC change, maybe we should take a chance that it will not, and lynch her when the WC is good. As for the points you brought up:
So by saying town survive instead of scum/pfk all dead, that makes a differance? Seems like rather word symantics to me, seeing as town surviving means they are dead, so why spell out what is obviously implied?
Like I said it was a small point amongst a lot of other points though I find it interesting you went straight to that and completely ignored the more important point I'd made earlier. Where did I ask you to stop talking about your opinion? You're deliberately missing the point which is that your certaintly of my towniness could well be because scum would know that. Actually I am now thinking that sinjin maybe right, that i was trying to hard to think your town, and your using that to make me look bad. Well actually if you reread you'll see that there's been talk about other things too. The FB talk is memorable in that the reactions to it were quite strong but the points raised themselves, on reread weren't really that much to get worked up about. Where are you getting this idea you shouldn't talk? And words are pretty much how we find scum in these games so what you say is, I'm afraid significant. So FB talk is memeorable but not really important, yet you are using it and my reaction to it, to say I have been scummie. Now that makes me suspicious of you now. Fine for you bad for me? there is a double standard. Sorry I did not mean to say as AH said but as TL said, about vanilla's and stating there opinion. A growing trend I am finding, people getting upset for us simply stating what we are percieving or feeling. OK firstly yes, you do need to spell out who you're suspicious of otherwise a) people may not realise it (we're a bit thick sometimes) and b) you just look like you're randomly smudging people otherwise. all I can say about this is I supose I am sorry for not spelling it out. Since at the time there were what 1 maybe 2 people talking about it, how hard is it to really figure out? However since you admited to "shortening" your's and not spelling out, can you really be using that against me? You are giulty too!!!!! Secondly zeriel's already brought this up but it was sinjin and santo talking about the FB thing, zeriel didn't use that as a reason for his suspicions on either myself or TL. Well yes I have to admit I messed up, it was not zeriel who had to do with the FB talk, but he did seem at the start of the day to be getting miffed for a few of us, stating our opinion and asking questions, cause we were trying to figure things out. So sorry for bring you into the FB talk, that I am sorry, I misread and am sorry. Thirdly I was going to bring this up in my original post where I voted for you but I had to shorten it a fair bit and cut it out. Back to the snuggling topic here's this: So you leave things out, as you just admited to, and that is ok, but you are going after me, for keeping it short and assuming it is understood, like you just did? seems to me to be a double standard here. makes me more suspicious. Why is it ok for you but not me? I'd not have bothered bringing this up as I thought I'd typed enough but in light of your blatant misrepresentation of the facts regarding who was and wasn't talking about FB I just want to point out that this isn't the first time you've snuggled up to santo. What balttent misrepresentation? I got one a little wrong but that does not mean the whole thing was blatent misrepresentation. Seeing as sinjin was talking about it and you even said so your self. Yet for me to say it, it is bad...once again seems a little double standard here. As for my snuggle santo that is cause it seems to me that he keeps getting drawn into these stupid arguments. The most mind boggling part is that the ones now keeping this one alive is the verry ones sinjin were talking about, makes me give him alot more credit. So in light of this and all.... unvote sinjin vote Total lost No this is not a OMGUS vote this is a aparent double standard you are using to smugg me. You admit that FB talk is intersting yet not that important and yet using it as part of your reasoning to vote me. You admit to omiting some of your reasoning and yet use me doing it in my suspiciouns as why I am aparently scum. Just seems odd most of your reasons you also are doing. Yet I do it and it is bad? A double standard to me is a true sign of scum play, and you are definetly playing a double standard. Sorry sinjin I am now getting what you were saying and all. I think you maybe right in the points you were trying to get across.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 11:16:33 GMT -5
woops sorry I did a boob move unvote total lost I ment to Almost human . So sorry TL I get lost some times in big posts.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 11:17:10 GMT -5
vote Almost human
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 28, 2008 11:25:34 GMT -5
What will happen if we have a tie at the end of the Day but the other group has a lynch??
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Post by sinjin on Dec 28, 2008 11:38:28 GMT -5
Wow, am I glad I got back to the real world in time* to:
unvote totallost
Sorry for cofusing you and Almost Human totallost. Based on this complete brainfart I am going to reread this thread today while we are driving and try to come up with a vote based only on what is going down here.
*Turns out that camping in a location that is 55 miles to the nearest bottle of wine and resturant with brazillions of bugs surrounded by ginormous motor homes that are running their generators 24/7 is not nearly as much fun as expected.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 13:12:05 GMT -5
okay I'm still not sure who to vote for however I have a slight issue. No one said fb is mafia. What was said is that we're seeing the fbers sticking together and that this seems to be a case of assumed innocence by familiarity. With that being the case what's being looked at is whether one or two fbers are mafia, not all of them. I thought that was rather clear, which now makes me suspicious of shaggy. In fact I have changed my mind, but am preserving my though process. Due to the above and the whole messing at the beginning when the subbing in occurred, and I think maybe something in the middle but I don't remember and can't access the middle, but definitely the messing about at the beginning with the subbing in and the reaction of shaggy to the don't get too buddy buddy discussion, which honestly seems to be aiming at promoting an us v them mentality in the fb section: (deep breath) Vote Shaggyfirst off, I never said FB is mafia, nor did I ever say anyone else said it was, reread, I said that others are saying FB vs mafia....as in that board vs this board. Which I am pretty sure is what others such as sinjin was implying. I interpreted the whole discussion not to be about alignment at all but about how past relationship's on the FB board can effect play on this one, and past games on this one and not knowing us from the other board can lead to bad play for the FB players, by accident. It had to me nothing to do with specifics of alignment. So by turning it into a alignment issue, is odd. Seconed how am I the one promoting it? I am the one saying over and over "why are we discussing this, it only helps the scum/mafia?" "let's drop it and move on." yet that makes me promoting it? yeah that makes alot of sence, NOT!!!!! It probably would have went away in all reality if it had not been now for AH and now you going after me. Which on a some what side note I do have to say. AH plays scum/mafia by one driving goal, that is town credit. Everything she does is to gain town credit. First you have a spin thing, which we have no idea if she is lying or not, in fact the only varifaction was the PM but after quoting her PM is when we were told no quoting PM's for someone is pretending to be iadle , not after Miteym posted her's. So in my opinion he was basically saying her PM was a lie!!!!! Then sinjin basically said the FBers need to stop trusting each other and out of all FBers she picks me, the one with no vote's and not tl who had 3 to go after, which appears to me, yet again to gain town credit. Especially since I am the one that has been claimed vanilla, and we all know what people's opinion of day 1 vanilla claims are. So to me this just all screams, she is desperatly trying to gain TC, which is her scum MO. The FBers will know my MO when I was scum, was to be vocal enough to not be a lurker but not really vocal with anything substantial, then I float by to the end. Just ask Santo it is what he caught me on and lynched over. This game I have been vocal with my suspicions and thoeries. I have tried hard to promote the best interest of the town, before myself. Which is why 2 times and now for a third I am not scared to say, if it is in the best interest of the town, then lynch me right now!!!!!!!
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 28, 2008 14:20:47 GMT -5
OK I'm now very comfortable with my vote on you shaggy. You said:
This is a blatant lie so I hope for your sake you are scum otherwise there's really no excuse for it. I've played one game with you as scum shaggy, in fact you were scum with me. If I remember correctly I was lynched by Day 2 because I played like crap so where you're getting this MO for me trying to gain town cred as scum is a mystery to me.
If I really wanted to gain town cred I'd have voted TL. If she's town then I could hide behind the fact I wasn't the only one to vote for her. If she's scum then I'd REALLY gain some cred wouldn't I?
As for why I picked you over TL. Well, you know, it's because I think you're scum. I don't know if TL is or not.
And you're misrepresenting me again. The pm quoting was banned after pede posted his pretend pm so your trying to read stuff into me quoting mine is really reaching.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 28, 2008 15:19:12 GMT -5
Based on what AH said, the OMGUS vote, and these bits:
We haven't mis-lynched once because of this.
This says nothing but appears to. No analysis, no specific charges except wasting time then a flip-flop at the end.
You give no reasons why you think some people are town. You have merely expressed baseless opinions. Sounds like PIS.
I don't even know what it means, but it seems like you are smudging me in a post almost immediately following a post where you said you understood what I was talking about. One of us is not communicating clearly here.
and finally the whole I don't think I have to spell out who I think is suspicious, everybody should be able to guess thing. Stinks of plausible deniablilty to me. Seems that's what you have been doing all day.
vote shaggy
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 15:42:28 GMT -5
OK I'm now very comfortable with my vote on you shaggy. You said: This is a blatant lie so I hope for your sake you are scum otherwise there's really no excuse for it. I've played one game with you as scum shaggy, in fact you were scum with me. If I remember correctly I was lynched by Day 2 because I played like crap so where you're getting this MO for me trying to gain town cred as scum is a mystery to me. If I really wanted to gain town cred I'd have voted TL. If she's town then I could hide behind the fact I wasn't the only one to vote for her. If she's scum then I'd REALLY gain some cred wouldn't I? As for why I picked you over TL. Well, you know, it's because I think you're scum. I don't know if TL is or not. And you're misrepresenting me again. The pm quoting was banned after pede posted his pretend pm so your trying to read stuff into me quoting mine is really reaching. First ofI have to say, gee there is a surprise you say it is a lie, of coarse your going to say that, I think now your scum. Seconed I get my theory of how you and everyone else play by watching the games I am in and rereading games before I started. I do not mean to be blunt and mean. Remeber this is nothing personal, just a game. I just call it like I see the playing that is being/has been done. Third, I and the rest of those that are not scum, do not know how many scum were put in here, let's say for argument sake, there is 1 or 2 others, then you do not want to be connected. So if one votes for a particular person and there is alot of others that have. Then instead of jumping on the bandwagon, it is smart to vote someone else and save TC in the long run. So personally you can gain the TC by not voting her more then by voting. Atleast in the long run, especially if she hypothetically turned out not to be scum and you had voted her way. Or atleast that is my take on how to try and catch the scum by thinking as best as I can, what I would do, if I were in there shoes. fourth, correct me here but I thought pede was still kicking around? So IF we all "knew" idle was talking about him, then why has he not been lynched yet? especially on that day? why did we lynch, correct me here but was that not when we lynched peek and not pede ? If it has to be him, then why is he not lynched? he must be scum if he was the one making up PM'S, so why did we not lynch that person? I just look at the time line that that day 3 people posted PM'S, one had posted many on many days/nights, so clearly he is not actually talking about miteym other wise why not on the day or night before? So that means he must be talking about someone else, that leaves you and pede . which under this logic means miteym must also be telling the truth. Since there is a 50/50 shot and we only have one here, then well I gamble it is not pede . I understand you saying about pede but that does not mean that it has to be. idle never said who, so that means there is a 50% chance it is you he was talking about. The one consotation from me possibly being lynched today is, knowing that everyone is going to go back and read this and probably, I hope learn from it.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 28, 2008 15:57:44 GMT -5
sinjin That was actually me saying I understand you point you were making, not smudging you at all, i dunno how you think it is a smudge. I was saying that if there are any scum in past or present FB players, they maybe less inclined to lynch each other because of those past/present meta-game releationships. How does that translate into smudge?
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 28, 2008 16:14:24 GMT -5
shaggy I'm not taking anything personally. As scum, you're making a valiant effort to misrepresent, smudge and generally obfusticate the points I've made As for the me/pede pms I was simply pointing out that Idle posted the ban on quoting pms after pede posted his. In no way did I imply that his posting it indicated he was scum. You're the one who seems to think that, not me.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 28, 2008 16:15:13 GMT -5
And isn't it 3pm yet? I'm on BST and I'm confused!
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Post by sinjin on Dec 28, 2008 16:25:53 GMT -5
It's just 2:25 mountain time AH. And shaggy I don't think you understood what I was saying and I know I'm clueless what you're on about. Of course if there are scum in the FB group they will not want to vote for each other, it's not meta-gamey to not want your scum-buddies lynched. It was the snuggling (love that word) that made me suspicious.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 28, 2008 16:56:42 GMT -5
Are we at a tie right now?
I'm quite convinced both shaggy and total lost are scum buddies, so I'll change my vote if I have to.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 28, 2008 16:58:03 GMT -5
unvote total lost vote shaggy
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 28, 2008 16:58:33 GMT -5
It was 3-3 by my count before I changed my vote.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 28, 2008 17:26:42 GMT -5
Bah - I think Idle's forgotten about us!
Not sure if I'll still be up when toDay ends now.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 28, 2008 17:34:50 GMT -5
The gastard hasn't been on the site since last night. Makes us play the longest day in history with only half a team then leaves us hanging (heehee) at day's end.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 28, 2008 18:57:44 GMT -5
It was 3-3 by my count before I changed my vote. I don't think you counted right - so I think it would be nice to hear why you [once again] seem to align me with someone else!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 28, 2008 21:52:03 GMT -5
Align you with someone else? What are you going on about?
I didn't see sinjin's unvote for you; I was only counting votes for shaggy and comparing them to Idle's last vote count. Not sure what you're getting excited about, as it didn't change the result of the Day's lynch.
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