Day One

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Agreed, it is a handy tool. As someone who has been deeply 'in the weeds' before with respect to something that everyone else could plainly see but I could not, sometimes the nose on one's own face has to be pointed out.

[sinjin]

Nov 25, 2008 13:47:30 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Looks like they're ways Mario gets more powerful in different games?

Am I missing something here? Who are you responding to Rugger?

[peekercpa]

And KidV I am going to say this one last time and then I think that it is high time we move on.

I truly, truly, truly believe that creating discussion and to some extent dissension is very pro town. That's my strategy. Just because my strategy is not congruent with yours does not make it anti town. Creating potential fracture points is one way of sniffing out scum. Yes, I get agressive when I see B.S. But you know what, if the reposnse is reasonable I do back down.

And you are totally correct that some of my points tend to be a little cryptic. But that is the way I live my life. I want a good mystery that involves some grey matter. I don't want to be fed like a turkey waiting for slaughter. I think we have had far too many games recently where town sits on their butt waiting for an investigator to spoon feed a town win. But if we stick merely to the facts discussion ultimately dries up and it becomes a crap shoot without the fracture and dissension. If I want a game of pure chance then I'll go down to the Community Center and play BINGO.

Meh, that was a quarter.

And honestly, if my participation makes this game that much less fun for you I will certainly ride into the sunset.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

I think I've got this one. (I did the same double take and I had to look a few things up myself)

Rugger was responding to Mhaye, who had asked:

Sto the important question. Is there some significance to ...


mushrooms?

Which, I believe, he asks (tongue in cheek) due to the title of the game, The Mushroom Kingdom.

Now, if we're all willing to share the speculative conclusions that we have each jumped to if any of these out of context posts looked like slips of some kind...the game could get a log more interesting. ;D

[Høøpy Frøød]

Nov 25, 2008 16:30:57 GMT -5 Nanook said:

Look at the way I acted as Bounty Hunter in the Gastard game. The people I hit were mostly ones that were distracting the game from Mafia, posting fluff and playing with the toys that the mods left to cause chaos.

Yeah, but you hit me Night 0. I didn't even get a chance to fluff.

Nov 25, 2008 19:23:04 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

Take a look at FCoD's first post from toDay. It was probably easy to miss mixed in there with all the other early day junk.

I found his response to Shaggy much more revealing. But then I guess he had already let the cat out of the proverbial bag. However....

I mentioned before that a way Idle could reduce the town advantage in mass claim was to give vanillas different names. He wouldn't be the first mafia moderator to do so in a game setup. So it's possible FCOD was just calling out another vanilla who had a different name to see that poster's reaction.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Bah...that was in reply to Sinjin. For give the repost:

Nov 25, 2008 19:45:30 GMT -5 sinjin said:

Nov 25, 2008 13:47:30 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Looks like they're ways Mario gets more powerful in different games?

Am I missing something here? Who are you responding to Rugger?

I think I've got this one. (I did the same double take and I had to look a few things up myself)

Rugger was responding to Mhaye, who had asked:

So the important question. Is there some significance to ...


mushrooms?

Which, I believe, he asks (tongue in cheek) due to the title of the game, The Mushroom Kingdom.

Now, if we're all willing to share the speculative conclusions that we have each jumped to if any of these out of context posts looked like slips of some kind...the game could get a log more interesting. ;D

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

The typos smart just as much the first time around.

[Høøpy Frøød]

Nov 25, 2008 19:54:28 GMT -5 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies said:

I think I've got this one. (I did the same double take and I had to look a few things up myself)

Rugger was responding to Mhaye, who had asked:

Sto the important question. Is there some significance to ...


mushrooms?

Which, I believe, he asks (tongue in cheek) due to the title of the game, The Mushroom Kingdom

Nope. He was responding to Idle here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=isthisaclue&action=display&thread=522&page=9#35014

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

I hate you.

[Høøpy Frøød]

Nov 25, 2008 20:00:09 GMT -5 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies said:

I hate you.

[sinjin]

And my ignorance of SMB is proven. Gah

[peekercpa]

Nov 25, 2008 19:23:04 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

Nov 25, 2008 19:17:30 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

Ok. Can someone just give me a page number (or range)? I honestly don't have a clue what you all are talking about. I am going to go back and see what I see but a little help here would be appreciated.

Handy tool for everyone. If you go to the member list you can pull up every member's profile and then search for just posts from that player.

Take a look at FCoD's first post from toDay. It was probably easy to miss mixed in there with all the other early day junk.

Thanks NAF. I been going page by page looking for user names. On a BB it can be seriously tortuous.

[KidVermicious]

Regarding FxOD - has anyone considered the possibility that Molefans claim is not legit? I don't bring this up to suggest a lynch of Shaggy, but the possibility must be considered before we automatically assume that FxOD isn't vanilla.

[Idle Thoughts]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[special]

This discussion of FCOD has me thinking in a metagamey way, and I'm not sure that I'd like to go there.

I'm not sure how much that is appreciated. I'm also not familiar with the differences between how things work on this board and how things work on FB in terms of role delivery.


On this board, I only played (briefly) one mini-game, so I'm aware of the differences between PMs and message boards. That distinction is somewhat fuzzier on FB.

[KidVermicious]

Nov 25, 2008 19:53:28 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

And KidV I am going to say this one last time and then I think that it is high time we move on.

I truly, truly, truly believe that creating discussion and to some extent dissension is very pro town. That's my strategy. Just because my strategy is not congruent with yours does not make it anti town. Creating potential fracture points is one way of sniffing out scum. Yes, I get agressive when I see B.S. But you know what, if the reposnse is reasonable I do back down.

And you are totally correct that some of my points tend to be a little cryptic. But that is the way I live my life. I want a good mystery that involves some grey matter. I don't want to be fed like a turkey waiting for slaughter. I think we have had far too many games recently where town sits on their butt waiting for an investigator to spoon feed a town win. But if we stick merely to the facts discussion ultimately dries up and it becomes a crap shoot without the fracture and dissension. If I want a game of pure chance then I'll go down to the Community Center and play BINGO.

Meh, that was a quarter.

And honestly, if my participation makes this game that much less fun for you I will certainly ride into the sunset.

I agree that this should not become an overriding issue, or a bone of contention between us. I know I said that I'd said my piece, and I should let this stand, except you appear to have misread me, and I want to make sure you know where I'm coming from.

Creating dissension and aggressive play have their place. Those tactics can be used to good effect, and I'm not complaining about them at all, in general or specific. What I'm concerned about is those posts where you "get cryptic", make up names for players, generate off-the-wall references, and in general rant like a lunatic. This, I believe, adds no value to the game, from a Town players perspective.

I sure as heck ain't asking you to take your ball and go home, and I'm doing my best not to make you feel the victim of a witch hunt (my crusade against you in Marvel notwithstanding ). I'm just asking for you to think about modifying your posting style.

I'm going to drop it for now, really really this time, and I'd love to continue this discussion p'raps after the game, or maybe in the next Night thread, if Idle would consent to talk of meta-strategy at Night.

[shaggy]

just got caught up. my thoughts are. up till Mr Special ED explained him self, i could see some suspicion but as last post said, for now I think he should get the bennefit of the doubt, cause if i were in his shoes, i would think the same thing. since we have time I am not going to rush anything but those still giving him flack, are the ones starting to ping on my radar. As i said we are all entailtled to our opinion even if we disagree with it. contradicting him self latter will be the tall tell if he is SCUM or not.

In regards to fluff I have to say in my opinion some fluff is ok, and if it fits with the discussion. such as referancing past games, or the way people naturally play. however excessive fluff or fluff that seems out of no where is the sign to me that you maybe SCUM or atleast not playing in the best interest of the town.

When it comes to name claiming I feel it should happen only in one of 2 ways, A: your about to be lynched and therefore it will save you. B: we all agree to and do so at the same time or on the same day. other wise I think it is not a good thing to do. It only helps the SCUM get a better idea of who is who. with that being said I have learned in past games on FB that it is good though to discuss it, cause then you learn alot from people's reaction or you may learn at least.

[peekercpa]

KidV

I am not quoteing your quote 'cause it would be awful long. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. Tay?

And Tay was a note originally referenced in The Sound of Music. Julie Andrews said so, so it has to be true.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Peek

[Gir!]

I would hope that everyone has considered that possibility; however, it's not enough to put him high on the suspicion list ATM. Unless/until he displays actual scumminess, of course.

As for the FLOD assumption, it's not merely that he questioned molefan's particular claim, but that he says he was unaware that Vanillas had names at all.

Notice that although he originally said "Umm...where does it mention Koopa Troopa in the Vanilla Town PM that Idle posted?", he later clarified it with:

Nov 24, 2008 11:24:45 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

Molefan claimed that he got a vanilla PM, but he didn't post it. I was confused because I wasn't aware that each player had a unique name.

So while I did miss Idle's post about each player having a unique name, I did not misread or skim anything in the game thread (yet ).

--FCOD

There's always the possibility that he's vanilla pretending not to be vanilla (Inara Roosh, anyone?) but that would have no relation to the legitimacy of the mole/Shaggy role at all.

Shaggy could actually be Sonic the Vengeful Hedgehog on a mission to destroy all things Mario-related, and that would still not factor into whether or not FLOD knew whether Vanillas had names or not.

[Gir!]

That was in response to KidV.

[special]

I have a question.

What is a wing cap? and where did I find it? and is it in any way related to this game?

That's more than 1 question, answer any of them you'd like, or none at all.

[Gir!]

This might help with at least one of your questions, Ed:

Nov 25, 2008 13:47:30 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Looks like they're ways Mario gets more powerful in different games?

[Idle Thoughts]

A wing cap was found in Super Mario 64.

Other than that, it has no bearing on the game and is just a posting rank. Post another ten posts and you'll get another.

[MiteyMouse]

Hi all! I'm here and reading. Will post my thoughts in a few minutes!

[Darth Sensitive]

Nov 24, 2008 21:35:51 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

Ok, a couple of observations. I truly do belive that more is more. Getting folks to post gives more information and potential for catching inconsistencies that can provide avenues for investigation and discussion. FCS in Recruitment I think it was Darth's (I believe) night time fluff post was his undoing. Every post has value even if it is marginally incremental.

Screw you

[peekercpa]

Nov 25, 2008 22:17:16 GMT -5 Darth Sensitive said:

Nov 24, 2008 21:35:51 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

Ok, a couple of observations. I truly do belive that more is more. Getting folks to post gives more information and potential for catching inconsistencies that can provide avenues for investigation and discussion. FCS in Recruitment I think it was Darth's (I believe) night time fluff post was his undoing. Every post has value even if it is marginally incremental.

Screw you

Back at you. Hope the ankle is better. And here's hoping that you knock Stoops and his gang of thuds back to Norman with only one testicle.

[peekercpa]

And BTW you can lose the signature whenever.

Matter of fact beat the beastly nation and "OSU Rocks" becomes mine for the rest of the year.

Looks over his shoulder, furtively, wondering where the hall fluff monitor is.

[MiteyMouse]

Nov 25, 2008 21:30:57 GMT -5 shaggy said:

When it comes to name claiming I feel it should happen only in one of 2 ways, A: your about to be lynched and therefore it will save you. B: we all agree to and do so at the same time or on the same day. other wise I think it is not a good thing to do. It only helps the SCUM get a better idea of who is who. with that being said I have learned in past games on FB that it is good though to discuss it, cause then you learn alot from people's reaction or you may learn at least.

I'm of a very opposite oponion here Shaggy. I think that the only people who should decide when roles should claim is the people playing the role. I'm not sure if it's fair to them to force a mass claim especially if they are not ready for the claim. I do agree that it would help the Scum out and do very little for the Town though.

[peekercpa]

Silly question - and I am not advocating a durn thing - in the games that there have been mass role claims what is the town record?

[Chucara]

Just for the record, I'm against a mass claim because I'm almost completely certain that Idle has put in a mechanism to prevent the effectiveness of such a claim. I (think I) remember a thread where this was discussed, and Idle said he would have a mechanism to limit the effect of a mass claim so that it would be at best neutral for town. I can't seem to find this thread again, and my memory is a little hazy. Still, even without the post, I'm pretty sure Idle has made sure that a mass claim isn't going to break the game in any way.

About FCOD, I must admit that his statement is pinging me now that you mention it. It might be because he didn't think it through, but as I see it, there are these options:

- Shaggy is vanilla, and FCOD is power role town. In this case it was basically a town power role claim. This makes no sense to me unless he is a town bomb or something.

- FCOD is vanilla pretending to be a town power role. This is a fine move, but if this is the case, why did he do it in a way that semi-outed molefan? And there's a huge risk of him getting lynched as the concensus seems to be that vanillas should not claim today.

It might be both a town slip and a scum slip IMO. I'll leave my vote where it is for now, but I'm hoping there will be some sort of clarification from FCOD.