Day One

[The Real FCOD]

Nov 25, 2008 16:11:32 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

<font style="font-size: 12px;">FCoD is either scum or a power role, since he is clearly not vanilla. I have gone back and forth on if I wanted to bring this up or not, but I think it needs to be done or it becomes a sort of magic bag.

Cowman, you have anything to say for yourself?

Yeah, I do: DAMMIT! I was hoping nobody would notice

Basically, I screwed up. It's obvious that I'm not vanilla Town, because if I was, I'd know that the PM that Idle posted isn't the entire vanilla PM. There's no point in my trying to cover up my slip, so I'll just up and admit it. I immediately regretted posting that question and thought for a little while that nobody noticed... I was kinda shocked it took this long with so many seasoned players!

Anyway, this is the part where I say I'm not scum, I'm a Town power role, and you get to decide whether or not you believe me. I will make a full role claim if I am forced into it, but I'd really rather not at the moment. I'd rather have the scum try to guess what I can do. I have a way of confirming that my power is what I say it is, but again I'd rather wait on that point.

I will say this: my character name is not one that would typically be associated with a "good" character in the Mario universe. The reason that I point this out is so that if there are any "name investigators" that decide to check me out (and I am in no way suggesting that anyone investigate me), don't expect to see a "friendly" name. As far as my alignment, it will come back as Town, as far as I know.

So, there it is. I guess there's no lack of suspicious behavior to go on for this Day One, is there? LOL

--FCOD

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 25, 2008 19:56:43 GMT -5 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies said:

Bah...that was in reply to Sinjin. For give the repost:

Nov 25, 2008 19:45:30 GMT -5 sinjin said:

Am I missing something here? Who are you responding to Rugger?

I think I've got this one. (I did the same double take and I had to look a few things up myself)

Rugger was responding to Mhaye, who had asked:

So the important question. Is there some significance to ...


mushrooms?

Which, I believe, he asks (tongue in cheek) due to the title of the game, The Mushroom Kingdom.

Now, if we're all willing to share the speculative conclusions that we have each jumped to if any of these out of context posts looked like slips of some kind...the game could get a log more interesting. ;D

Funny that you say that. I sort of thought the same thing when I saw that post. However, I thought it was less tongue in cheek, and more because the title of this board is, "isthisaclue". So, the url is asking if this is a clue, and the name of the game is Mushroom Kingdom. Anybody who's played SMB knows mushrooms have pretty large significance to gameplay. It may be a red herring, but it's something to tuck away for future reference.

But, yes, Hoopy was right; I was originally referring to the posting titles Idle had asked about two posts above mine.

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 3:37:27 GMT -5 Chucara said:

Just for the record, I'm against a mass claim because I'm almost completely certain that Idle has put in a mechanism to prevent the effectiveness of such a claim. I (think I) remember a thread where this was discussed, and Idle said he would have a mechanism to limit the effect of a mass claim so that it would be at best neutral for town. I can't seem to find this thread again, and my memory is a little hazy. Still, even without the post, I'm pretty sure Idle has made sure that a mass claim isn't going to break the game in any way.

About FCOD, I must admit that his statement is pinging me now that you mention it. It might be because he didn't think it through, but as I see it, there are these options:

- Shaggy is vanilla, and FCOD is power role town. In this case it was basically a town power role claim. This makes no sense to me unless he is a town bomb or something.

- FCOD is vanilla pretending to be a town power role. This is a fine move, but if this is the case, why did he do it in a way that semi-outed molefan? And there's a huge risk of him getting lynched as the concensus seems to be that vanillas should not claim today.

It might be both a town slip and a scum slip IMO. I'll leave my vote where it is for now, but I'm hoping there will be some sort of clarification from FCOD.

There are more options than the ones you've posed. Any reason you chose to leave them out? Also, setting up dichotomies is bad. Why are you doing it?

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 25, 2008 22:50:16 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

Silly question - and I am not advocating a durn thing - in the games that there have been mass role claims what is the town record?

I think it depends. They tend to do rather well in open setups, since a lot of town roles end up being confirmable. However, in closed game setups, it seems like this early in the game that it's a bad enough idea that I don't recall ever doing it. Name claims, maybe, but not role claims.

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 9:09:35 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

I immediately regretted posting that question and thought for a little while that nobody noticed... I was kinda shocked it took this long with so many seasoned players!

That's a big part of the reason it took so long.

[The Real FCOD]

Nov 26, 2008 10:49:39 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

That's a big part of the reason it took so long.

I considered just coming out and admitting my mistake before anyone said anything, but I thought it had slipped by and obviously if nobody noticed it would have been better.

--FCOD

[NAF1138]

Nov 26, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

Nov 26, 2008 10:49:39 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

That's a big part of the reason it took so long.

I considered just coming out and admitting my mistake before anyone said anything, but I thought it had slipped by and obviously if nobody noticed it would have been better.

--FCOD

Sorry for outing you Cowman, but I like to run with the idea that if I notice it others have too, and it's better to have these things out in the open. And, as it turned out a bunch of other folks noticed but didn't say anything, so it was probably for the best.I wouldn't have expected you to point it out though, it's a little harder to see these things from the inside.

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

Nov 26, 2008 10:49:39 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

That's a big part of the reason it took so long.

I considered just coming out and admitting my mistake before anyone said anything, but I thought it had slipped by and obviously if nobody noticed it would have been better.

--FCOD

I am scum.

[Santo Rugger]

Whoops, hope nobody notices that!






;D

[The Real FCOD]

Not quite sure what you're trying to say there, Santos... Are you accusing me of something?

--FCOD

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 11:33:48 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

Not quite sure what you're trying to say there, Santos... Are you accusing me of something?

--FCOD

Am I really getting that obtuse that I need to start giving pecker-style explainations?

Nov 26, 2008 10:49:39 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Nov 26, 2008 9:09:35 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

I immediately regretted posting that question and thought for a little while that nobody noticed... I was kinda shocked it took this long with so many seasoned players!

That's a big part of the reason it took so long.

In this one, I was saying that probably 90% of the players saw that as soon as it was posted, but kept their mouths shut to see what developed. Hence it took so long to finally be revealed because of the seasoning (mmm, seasoning*)

Nov 26, 2008 11:31:46 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Nov 26, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5 The Real FCOD said:

I considered just coming out and admitting my mistake before anyone said anything, but I thought it had slipped by and obviously if nobody noticed it would have been better.

--FCOD

I am scum.

Nov 26, 2008 11:32:01 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Whoops, hope nobody notices that!






;D

This series of posts was to take a jab at you for thinking something so obvious would have passed by 90% of the players. Abraham Lincoln** and all.

*Seasoning - something we put on food to make it taste better. Many people say "mmmm," when something tastes good.

**Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the United States. A famous quote of his, "You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

This explanation stuff is awesome, no wonder pecker has so much fun!

[The Real FCOD]

I see. Well, I don't think my slip is quite as obvious as saying, "I am scum," (although I'm sure that sinjin, Kidv, peeker, and the others that didn't see it appreciate the "compliment" ). Basically, I assumed that the seasoned (and by seasoned, I mean sprinkled with Bacon Salt) players would see my slipup, realize that it has to be discuessed eventually, and just fucking say it. For a little while I was surprised that I had overestimated everyone but it turned out it just took longer than I thought it would.

--FCOD

[Santo Rugger]

Well, the silver lining is twofold. If you're a power role, scum have to WiFoM your powers. If you're scum, we've got you where we want you, and now we're going to eat you*. In our back pocket is a wonderful place for scum to be.

*A kid walks into a haunted house, and hears a booming voice, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

Curious, he walks towards the voice, and again he hears, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

He's getting closer. Scared but still curious, he hears, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

As he walks in the door, he sees an older gentleman picking his nose. The man picks his nose, gets a booger on his finger, and then says, ""I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

[Total Ullz]

Nov 26, 2008 12:17:11 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Well, the silver lining is twofold. If you're a power role, scum have to WiFoM your powers. If you're scum, we've got you where we want you, and now we're going to eat you*. In our back pocket is a wonderful place for scum to be.

*A kid walks into a haunted house, and hears a booming voice, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

Curious, he walks towards the voice, and again he hears, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

He's getting closer. Scared but still curious, he hears, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

As he walks in the door, he sees an older gentleman picking his nose. The man picks his nose, gets a booger on his finger, and then says, ""I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

Yuk! The nose-picking-story was... "yuk"!

You might see a silver lining - all I see right now i WiFoM.

If FCOD is Town - then could the it be scum trying to make us all push for a 100% claim? Or just Town being suspicious?

And if FCOD really is scum - is it scum-buddies helping he "come forward" with his claim or is it Town looking for answers??

Right now I'm most inclined to let it go - and just look at FCOD for rest of the Day/some of the next Day. I can't see how I could get more clarity at this point (but if someone is willing to enlighten me - please feel free)

[Total Ullz]

Nov 25, 2008 22:35:08 GMT -5 MiteyMouse said:

I'm of a very opposite oponion here Shaggy. I think that the only people who should decide when roles should claim is the people playing the role. I'm not sure if it's fair to them to force a mass claim especially if they are not ready for the claim. I do agree that it would help the Scum out and do very little for the Town though.

Unvote MiteyM

I don't think it would be fair to keep my vote on you for lurking at this point.

[Trepa Mayfield]

Nov 22, 2008 22:27:26 GMT -5 Holy Moley! said:

Nov 22, 2008 21:10:24 GMT -5 KidVermicious said:

Didn't you claim Leper in the Gastard game? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

No, that was someone else, the scum "bomb". I did eventually claim Colonel Kurtz, but that was after Darth Sensitive had outed me and I had to claim something.

That was me. And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for the mistake with the potato! (And Idle misquoted my claimed power. CURSE YOUUUU IIIIIDDDLLLEEEEE!)

And I only have a couple hours to catch up, so I'll be back in a bit.

[Almost Human]

To me it seems more like town jumping on a possible scum slip than anything else without thinking about how it would show him to not be vanilla.

A couple of us mentioned that he could have been a vanilla with a different name to shaggy's so he could have easily used that excuse if he were scum.

I'm not saying FCOD's confirmed or anything but I don't see anything scummy him.

[Høøpy Frøød]

Nov 26, 2008 12:17:11 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

*A kid walks into a haunted house, and hears a booming voice, "I've got you where we want you, and now I'm going to eat you!"

Dude, that joke is older than MHaye.

[NAF1138]

Nov 26, 2008 13:02:57 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

I'm not saying FCOD's confirmed or anything but I don't see anything scummy him.

You aren't the first person to say a variation on this (I don't remember who the first person was, but I think you are #2)

Who is saying FCoD is scummy? We are just saying he isn't vanilla.

[Almost Human]

Nov 26, 2008 13:09:03 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:02:57 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

I'm not saying FCOD's confirmed or anything but I don't see anything scummy him.

You aren't the first person to say a variation on this (I don't remember who the first person was, but I think you are #2)

Who is saying FCoD is scummy? We are just saying he isn't vanilla.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had said FCOD was scum. I made my post because there had been people (chucara for one) saying he was either a town power role or scum or a vanilla false claiming.

It had been put forward as a possibility and I gave my opinion.

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 13:02:57 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

To me it seems more like town jumping on a possible scum slip than anything else without thinking about how it would show him to not be vanilla.

A couple of us mentioned that he could have been a vanilla with a different name to shaggy's so he could have easily used that excuse if he were scum.

I'm not saying FCOD's confirmed or anything but I don't see anything scummy him.

Which one is it?

[storyteller0910]

Nov 26, 2008 12:38:36 GMT -5 Total Ullz said:

You might see a silver lining - all I see right now i WiFoM.

Well, what's happened with FCoD actually doesn't hurt us all that much, as long as we don't push it much further and by so doing, reveal more about the rest of our roles. If he's Scum, we'll find him out eventually. He's now locked in not only to a power role claim, but to a confirmable power role claim, and that's a hard thing for Scum to fake. If he's still alive in a few more Days, or if his behavior is in other wise suspicious, then further investigation will certainly be warranted.

If he's Town, the Scum have to decide, toNight: target him, or not? What if a Doctor decides to protect him, as the only current claimed power role? What if he is a Doctor and self-protects? What if he's a Pro-Town Bomb and deliberately tried to draw attention to himself? Forcing the scum into that sort of dilemma is fun and profitable.

If FCOD is Town - then could the it be scum trying to make us all push for a 100% claim? Or just Town being suspicious?

No one has yet pushed for a 100% claim that I have seen. Where are you getting the idea that someone has?

And if FCOD really is scum - is it scum-buddies helping he "come forward" with his claim or is it Town looking for answers??

Eh, could well be both. When Scum slip in large and obvious ways, it behooves their Scumbuddies to not appear completely oblivious to it.

[NAF1138]

Nov 26, 2008 13:25:28 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:09:03 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

You aren't the first person to say a variation on this (I don't remember who the first person was, but I think you are #2)

Who is saying FCoD is scummy? We are just saying he isn't vanilla.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had said FCOD was scum. I made my post because there had been people (chucara for one) saying he was either a town power role or scum or a vanilla false claiming.

It had been put forward as a possibility and I gave my opinion.

ah.

[storyteller0910]

Nov 26, 2008 13:25:28 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:09:03 GMT -5 NAF1138 said:

You aren't the first person to say a variation on this (I don't remember who the first person was, but I think you are #2)

Who is saying FCoD is scummy? We are just saying he isn't vanilla.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had said FCOD was scum. I made my post because there had been people (chucara for one) saying he was either a town power role or scum or a vanilla false claiming.

It had been put forward as a possibility and I gave my opinion.

This exchange has gotten confusing. Almost Human, what, precisely, is your opinion regarding FCoD?

[The Real FCOD]

Thanks for the clarifications, UATU. I was just coming here to post something like that.

;D

--FCOD

[Almost Human]

Nov 26, 2008 13:30:05 GMT -5 storyteller0910 said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:25:28 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone had said FCOD was scum. I made my post because there had been people (chucara for one) saying he was either a town power role or scum or a vanilla false claiming.

It had been put forward as a possibility and I gave my opinion.

This exchange has gotten confusing. Almost Human, what, precisely, is your opinion regarding FCoD?

Really?

OK I thought I made it clear that I didn't think FCOD's slip was scummy but obviously I didn't.

To clarify. I'm leaning more towards him being town than anything else though naturally I'm not going to start making bets on it.

And presumably that's what Santo wanted to know too.

I must be turning into peeker

[Santo Rugger]

Nov 26, 2008 13:50:18 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:30:05 GMT -5 storyteller0910 said:

This exchange has gotten confusing. Almost Human, what, precisely, is your opinion regarding FCoD?

Really?

OK I thought I made it clear that I didn't think FCOD's slip was scummy but obviously I didn't.

To clarify. I'm leaning more towards him being town than anything else though naturally I'm not going to start making bets on it.

And presumably that's what Santo wanted to know too.

I must be turning into peeker

Then why would you say, "To me it seems more like town jumping on a possible scum slip than anything else..."

[Almost Human]

Nov 26, 2008 13:51:56 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:50:18 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

Really?

OK I thought I made it clear that I didn't think FCOD's slip was scummy but obviously I didn't.

To clarify. I'm leaning more towards him being town than anything else though naturally I'm not going to start making bets on it.

And presumably that's what Santo wanted to know too.

I must be turning into peeker

Then why would you say, "To me it seems more like town jumping on a possible scum slip than anything else..."

Because it seemed to me that a town FCOD was jumping on a possible scum molefan slip.

Is that better?

[Almost Human]

OK I see why you're all getting confused now. I didn't make it clear which slip I was talking about.

[storyteller0910]

Nov 26, 2008 13:54:48 GMT -5 Almost Human said:

Nov 26, 2008 13:51:56 GMT -5 Santo Rugger said:

Then why would you say, "To me it seems more like town jumping on a possible scum slip than anything else..."

Because it seemed to me that a town FCOD was jumping on a possible scum molefan slip.

Is that better?

Yes, the lack of clarity wasn't your fault, it's just that with all the responding and yesses and nos it got hard to follow the specific questions and answers. Thank you for clarifying. I have a follow-up question:

Why are you leaning toward FCoD being Town?