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Dec 2, 2008 13:24:49 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 13:24:49 GMT -5
Wow, 10 posts while I was making that post.
I notice that while MMouse did post, there was no real content in the post.
more to follow while I think
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Dec 2, 2008 13:31:13 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 2, 2008 13:31:13 GMT -5
Oh, okay. I just thought it was odd that Dude Mchasacockiel would mention lurkers so often. Honestly, a lot of the reason I was harping on lists/lurkers early in the game is because I was needling NAF about it, after I nailed him as scum (rightly or wrongly) in Sekham over a lurker list that included me (took a few Days to seal the deal, though ) And for those of you who didn't follow Seekham, Z may have been right, but it was for totally wrong reasons! :grumble good list grumble: *throws one more pie at Z for good measure, but it's leftover pumpkin from the holiday and probably fairly tastey*
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Dec 2, 2008 13:31:45 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 2, 2008 13:31:45 GMT -5
Mr Special Ed was seen as attacking molefan with more conviction than necessary, hounding him even. I didn't see anything scummy, and said so. Most of his voters discussed it, and eventually saw how empty the case against Ed was, and backed off. Blockey seems to have ignored that discussion. And no, it's not a debacle. I should have kept the "" I had around it, but I didn't think it would be a BFD. JFC. A question for you, NAF: why haven't you been stating who you're unvoting when you unvote? It seems like a great way to help us forget who you *were* voting for. I don't recall you ever unvoting that way before. I know it's terribly rude to answer a question with a question, but did you forget who I *was* voting for? I was voting for Mr. Special Ed then Chucara in case you did forget. Ask Pede, he asked me why I unvoted each of them, so he can verify that I am not lying if you don't feel like looking up the vote counts or my original vote posts (each of which have been quoted a few times). I had to think about it for a moment, but I'm not such a colossal stoner that I just stared at the screen, going "Whaaaaaaaa?" or anything. And actually the Question Game (infinitely answering a question with another question) is quite a fine pursuit, with ensuement of hilarity guaranteed, but perhaps not suited to this game. You seem to have typed their names with no problem there. Ha! Ha! You forgot to mention that I didn't even directly state that it made me suspicious when I brought it up, making it a SMUDGE! It's the only thing worse than a SNUGGLE, the notorious SMUDGE! Burn! (I saw no more dickishness from you than usual, NAF. )
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Dec 2, 2008 13:32:26 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 13:32:26 GMT -5
*Eyes Idle crankily*
Unvote mmouse
Vote MiteyMouse
ye picky bastard.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:37:53 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 2, 2008 13:37:53 GMT -5
Unvote misterblockey
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Dec 2, 2008 13:38:48 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 2, 2008 13:38:48 GMT -5
4)Idle is one crazy mother fucker? One crazy, GENIUS, mother fucker.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:40:02 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 2, 2008 13:40:02 GMT -5
(I saw no more dickishness from you than usual, NAF. ) Well in that case... damn, I got nothing. I am a bit hungry though, I might go get a snack. BTW tabby, did you ever read the Good Ship Hispaniola Game aka Pirates? If you haven't you might want to. Focus on AuntBeast and what she has to say about things. I think you will find it interesting reading. On another subject entirely: Blocky, I am confused about who you are intending to vote for and why. Are you wanting to vote for mmouse or MiteyMouse? They are two different people and I can understand votes for either, but I...well you can see how one could get confused.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:42:45 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 2, 2008 13:42:45 GMT -5
There is no particular reason why I changed, I just felt like doing something different I suppose. Mr. Ed has a long real name and I am never sure that I am spelling Chucara's name correctly, so... Also I kinda wondered if someone would try to take a benign but obvious change in my posting style and use it against me to drum up some suspicion. Nice job on biting that bait. I can't believe this! This is not a new style - you did that to ME in the 3 clan mini-game Not only did you forget me in that game - but now you even forget forgetting me AND buff is forgetting about the way you forgot me. Am I really that forgettable???
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Dec 2, 2008 13:46:52 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 13:46:52 GMT -5
On another subject entirely: Blocky, I am confused about who you are intending to vote for and why. Are you wanting to vote for mmouse or MiteyMouse? They are two different people and I can understand votes for either, but I...well you can see how one could get confused. Oh.... oh dear. Unvote MiteyMouseI'm going to have to do a reread now. For those of you who didn't play in my last rps mafia game, Mitey Mouse was in it. By the end of the game everyone was referring to ...him? as MMouse. Thus the confusion. Now I'm going to a little research and vote for the correct person.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:47:23 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 2, 2008 13:47:23 GMT -5
There is no particular reason why I changed, I just felt like doing something different I suppose. Mr. Ed has a long real name and I am never sure that I am spelling Chucara's name correctly, so... Also I kinda wondered if someone would try to take a benign but obvious change in my posting style and use it against me to drum up some suspicion. Nice job on biting that bait. I can't believe this! This is not a new style - you did that to ME in the 3 clan mini-game Not only did you forget me in that game - but now you even forget forgetting me AND buff is forgetting about the way you forgot me. Am I really that forgettable??? No no, you've got it all wrong. You are that special! You are in a catagory all unto itself. Much love to Total Lost too. I would normally say something sort of pointed right here, but again, I got nothing. So this post is nothing but love.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:47:56 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 2, 2008 13:47:56 GMT -5
I'm a little out of it myself, so I can totally understand being distracted by personal shit. (Blockey, try listening to some Dylan or Clapton--it's doing me a world of good)
unvote misterblockey[/color] vote storyteller[/color]
for aforementioned making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill. Yeah, I said debacle. SFW? Now I'm starting to think special ed might've been on to something with his "storyteller set-up" theory as well. No, I'm not sure, but I like this better than my two previous votes (shaggy and blockey, in case you've forgotten, NAF ;D)
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Dec 2, 2008 13:48:37 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 2, 2008 13:48:37 GMT -5
4)Idle is one crazy mother fucker? One crazy, GENIUS, mother fucker. Go eat a cock, GENIUS!
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Dec 2, 2008 13:52:07 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 2, 2008 13:52:07 GMT -5
I did a quick reread and still have the feeling about TL and quite honestly, I thought that I did vote for her already. I know many others have mentioned it but, the list of lurkers and then overlooking the people that had less posts than me seems odd. Though she might have been trying to get e to speak up and in that case, it is a forgiveable overlook
Blocky I'm confused as to who you are talking about...You are saying things about me and then voting MMouse...if it would make things easier, call me Mitey.
Chuc...has me confused...he seems to try to look like he is aligned with TL. I'm not sure if it is because he wants to align himself with a Town member because he is Scum and trying to gain credibility or because he is a Town and believes that TL is as well...though with suspicion on her this is odd. Or they could both be Scum. I'm going to do a better read and will post more soon....it's my day off and Shaggy is at work, can you tell? Hehehe!
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Dec 2, 2008 13:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 2, 2008 13:52:10 GMT -5
And you know what, I also have some intensely personal shit going down... *huggs*
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Dec 2, 2008 13:55:31 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 2, 2008 13:55:31 GMT -5
I did a quick reread and still have the feeling about TL and quite honestly, I thought that I did vote for her already. I know many others have mentioned it but, the list of lurkers and then overlooking the people that had less posts than me seems odd. Though she might have been trying to get e to speak up and in that case, it is a forgiveable overlook Blocky I'm confused as to who you are talking about...You are saying things about me and then voting MMouse...if it would make things easier, call me Mitey. Chuc...has me confused...he seems to try to look like he is aligned with TL. I'm not sure if it is because he wants to align himself with a Town member because he is Scum and trying to gain credibility or because he is a Town and believes that TL is as well...though with suspicion on her this is odd. Or they could both be Scum. I'm going to do a better read and will post more soon....it's my day off and Shaggy is at work, can you tell? Hehehe! Huh? You say you're suspicious of Total Hottie. Then you say Chuc is trying to align himself with her* because she is town. Seems mighty** odd to me. *I'd love to "align" myself with Total Hottie** Hehe, Mighty odd.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:54:21 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 2, 2008 13:54:21 GMT -5
Not only did you forget me in that game - but now you even forget forgetting me AND buff is forgetting about the way you forgot me. Am I really that forgettable??? I'm sorry, who are you again? Have we met? You're some South American fellow, right?
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Dec 2, 2008 13:56:28 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 2, 2008 13:56:28 GMT -5
Though I tend to feel that the term clusterfuck is strong, and is far closer to debacle in meaning than "brouhaha". Okay, I'm laughing out loud over here. That was some funny shit! But, seriously, I take it you've never played rugby or worked construction? We pretty much describe everything that goes wrong as a clusterfuck. You're right. Although, the term is bandied about in engineering on occasion. However, it all depends on the tone. Sometimes it's used sarcastically to describe a minor issue. True clusterfucks aren't something you want to encounter as an engineer.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:57:54 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 13:57:54 GMT -5
Okay I've gone back and now I'm clear(er... than I was).
Vote mmouse
for having only made one post, and for that post obfuscating it's lack of content.
I'm not going to vote for story at this point, although I'm interested in his response.
Also I did a quick reread, sorry MiteyMouse is in fact a she.
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Dec 2, 2008 13:58:05 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 2, 2008 13:58:05 GMT -5
Something I've been wondering about. This is the town win condition. Notice that there is no mention of 3rd parties in there. I see three possibilities, and I'll order them in most-likely to least likely: 1) We have 3rd parties, but they are similar to the non-serial killer types in Batman. Town can win by defeating all scum, and these third parties being alive has no bearing on that win. (Provided, of course, that the 3rd parties haven't achieved their own win conditions yet.) 2) There are no 3rd parties. Everybody is town or scum. 3) Idle goofed. (Not really considering that one.) The main issue I see here is the presence of a serial killer. Usually, the serial killer has to die before any other side can win. However, there is no indication of this in our win condition. So if we have no serial killer, what is going to prevent this game from stretching out a long time if we don't have extra kills somewhere? In the game I'm designing with Rysto and NAF, the subject of game length has come up. I know NAF prefers a game to last not much beyond 8 cycles, because people began to get burned out at that point. Assuming the figure of 5 scum which has been bandied about, if everyone is town or scum with no extra kills, the shortest this game can be is 5 Days with perfect lynching. (Not bloody likely.) With only town being lynched (also not very likely), this game is over in 8 Days. However, let's say in those 8 Days, we've lynched 4 scum. By Dusk of Day 8, we will have 4 dead scum, and 11 dead townies. This leaves 10 people alive, only one of which is scum. This is four more Days before lylo. And this is assuming no night kill gets blocked. With this many people, I find it hard to believe that there isn't something out there that speeds up the kill rate. (In Batman, we had 2 serial killers. In Marvel, scum had the plague and a percent chance of extra kill, and PFK had a power drainer. Town also had a Blocker with a 25% vig chance.) If there are only 5 scum and no SK, I would expect all scum to have powers, and those powers are going to be doozies. Thoughts? There is actually a FOURTH option which you didn't think of but which still works. However the fourth one I doubt you'll ever guess, which is why I feel comfortable saying it here, in public, to everyone right now. Trust me, it won't be guessed. But soon it will be known. Ooh! Ooh! Lemme try! There really is no town...and we're all scum traitors! No? There is no scum or PFK...and we can end this game at any time with a win! No? Uh...all the PFKs are scum, and there's like 8 scum. No? ...:shrugs:... whatever.
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Dec 2, 2008 14:07:04 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 14:07:04 GMT -5
Blocky I'm confused as to who you are talking about...You are saying things about me and then voting MMouse...if it would make things easier, call me Mitey. Up until the post where I unvoted and said I needed time I really thought you and mmouse were the same person, considering the number of times I've called you mmouse in the rps game. I thought Idle was being an ass and you were enjoying the ride when I saw both you and mmouse in the vote counts. It wasn't until NAF said something that I checked the player list. I'll just use your whole name from now on, if I call you MiteyM, I'll end up slipping back into MMouse again, and then where would we be?
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Dec 2, 2008 14:08:55 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 2, 2008 14:08:55 GMT -5
...becuase he's posting again?
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Dec 2, 2008 14:10:05 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 2, 2008 14:10:05 GMT -5
Oh, and what does rps stand for, MisterBlockey?
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Dec 2, 2008 14:12:12 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 2, 2008 14:12:12 GMT -5
Blocky I'm confused as to who you are talking about...You are saying things about me and then voting MMouse...if it would make things easier, call me Mitey. Up until the post where I unvoted and said I needed time I really thought you and mmouse were the same person, considering the number of times I've called you mmouse in the rps game. I thought Idle was being an ass and you were enjoying the ride when I saw both you and mmouse in the vote counts. It wasn't until NAF said something that I checked the player list. I'll just use your whole name from now on, if I call you MiteyM, I'll end up slipping back into MMouse again, and then where would we be? More confused...hehehe! I think we were cross posting at the time when you explained it...I see it now though!
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Dec 2, 2008 14:13:31 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 2, 2008 14:13:31 GMT -5
My vote right now sits on someone who could be described as a lurker. It's also possible he's been busy. But I don't like the fact that his vote is still on someone who has addressed the reasons for which that vote was placed with no counterargument as to why this is so. I also can't tell when blockey was last here, since his profile shows him being logged in for a very long time. But if I weren't voting blockey, I'd probably be voting mmouse9799. Because she is lurking. She's been logging onto the board since she last posted (the last login was yesterday afternoon), but she hasn't said anything since the post that Kat quoted (which was posted over a week ago). Well, blockey's removed his vote, and has said that real life has gotten in the way, which is a large part of why he hadn't unvoted yet. (Sorry to hear it. Good luck with everything.) Now that he's addressed it: unvote misterblockey[/color] And to continue with what I said earlier: vote mmouse9979[/color]
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Dec 2, 2008 14:14:36 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 14:14:36 GMT -5
Oh, and what does rps stand for, MisterBlockey? My three clans and/or rock paper scissors mafia game. I ran it twice. Mighty Mouse was in the second one. ... you were in the second one ... and the first one.....
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Dec 2, 2008 14:17:28 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 2, 2008 14:17:28 GMT -5
Not only did you forget me in that game - but now you even forget forgetting me AND buff is forgetting about the way you forgot me. Am I really that forgettable??? I'm sorry, who are you again? Have we met? You're some South American fellow, right? My heart was almost broken - but then I read the next post - and I gotta go "align" with Santo - do you want to join in the fun?? And back to the game: I get votes for my lynch-a-lurker-strategy and then Town (I hope) go and decide to... lynch the lurker I'm confused
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Dec 2, 2008 14:21:05 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 2, 2008 14:21:05 GMT -5
...becuase he's posting again? No - well - yes Not because of him posting again - but because he did remove the vote on Ed that made me vote for him in the first place. My vote on misterblockey was for HIM voting for what OTHERS were saying - now his vote is for reasons of his own (*lol* even thought he don't know who he is voting for!)
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Dec 2, 2008 14:22:06 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Dec 2, 2008 14:22:06 GMT -5
I get votes for my lynch-a-lurker-strategy and then Town (I hope) go and decide to... lynch the lurker I'm confused Here's the deal--as far as I'm concerned, you suspicious behavior is not due to wanting to lynch lurkers, but by giving the appearance of gaming it by trying to split content and fluff and by not choosing people from your list with any reasoning apparent to the people who were complaining. Like I said earlier, I love listening to people talk about Lynch-the-Lurker and making lists, because when you make a list on anything but totally objective criteria, you have a chance of revealing any games you might be trying to play with the data.
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Dec 2, 2008 14:24:03 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 2, 2008 14:24:03 GMT -5
Well I didn't vote you for that.
There is however a difference between lynch the lurker, and lynch the person who's not posting a lot. You can have the top post count and still kinda be lurking if there's no content in your posts. Simultaneously one can have a low post count but have posts full of content, and then not be lurking. Also personal problems are a null tell, but can create the appearance of lurking.
On the other hand having only one post and having it appear to contain content, but not actually have any, is pretty much textbook lurking.
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Dec 2, 2008 14:24:44 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 2, 2008 14:24:44 GMT -5
Ha, I guess it looks like you're the one making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill, now, story. A "mountain?" One post, commenting on word usage, constitutes a mountain? Fascinatin' Here's what I, in fact, said, concerning your word choice: I stand by every word. Twice (actually three times, by two players) is "repeated," and given that the word is not entirely common and entirely unsuited to the actual situation, I found that... interesting. No mountains. I put a lot of stock in language, particularly word choice and tone. The words you use can tell things about you that you don't intend, which is why they're useful. But I don't see how the above-referenced post, coupled with one follow-up indicating my intention to investigate you, is making a mountain of anything. I didn't vote for you. I didn't even explicitly state what, if anything, I felt your word choice implied. I haven't devoted hours or posts to the subject. Those who have played with me in the past will know that when I want to make a mountain out of something, it gets a great deal mountainy-er than that little-old post. Your vote for me, on the basis of one brief non-voting post in which I pointed out an interesting quirk in the language, your mischaracterization of that post as me trying to make a mountain out of a what the hell ever, these are the scummiest things I've seen so far. So let's get right to the: unvote miteymousevote bufftabby[/b][/color] --------------------------------- Meanwhile, I stand by my interest in the use of the word "debacle," but much more broadly - and more of interest - is the way the brief disagreement between Mr. Special Ed and me has been blown up in subsequent conversation to be more than it was at the time. These games wind up evolving into "storylines," whether we want them to or not. These are the "big" threads, the ones that you remember in the Days to come. We make mental connections among players, sometimes unwise connections, on the basis of their participation in these storylines. From a Scum standpoint, these storylines can be a useful tool. I remember M2 very well, even now. I remember how we (the Scum in that game) found a modest disagreement between Townies in the early game and tried our best to keep referencing it, blowing it out of proportion, fanning the flames to generate not just one mislynch, but many. And it struck me that somehow, a brief disagreement between me and Mr. Special Ed regarding molefan, something that both he and I abandoned, satisfied, some time ago, has become a reference point. It keeps getting mentioned, made into a bigger deal than it was - made into a storyline when it was really just a blip. Now, I have no idea why this is happening - could be just one of those things - but it has the gentle aroma of manipulation to me. So I suggest looking more closely at the way in which this came to pass. The word "debacle" has been used three times, but the events have been referenced as significant - as storylines - more often than that. Why? By who, and in what context? I'm comfortable continuing with it as a line of inquiry.
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