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Dec 2, 2008 14:26:42 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 2, 2008 14:26:42 GMT -5
Oh, and what does rps stand for, MisterBlockey? My three clans and/or rock paper scissors mafia game. I ran it twice. Mighty Mouse was in the second one. ... you were in the second one ... and the first one..... Oh yeah, that. The abbrivi3ation was throwing me off. Looks like FPS, or RPG, and since we're in SMB... Anyway, I'm perfectly fine with a mmouse lynch. I still find Nanook most suspicious, but we (or I, if I missed something in the rules) have no idea how much information we will or won't be getting from a modkill, and even if Idle modkills, it'll happen tommorow.
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Dec 2, 2008 14:30:51 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 2, 2008 14:30:51 GMT -5
We're back to that subjective vs objective debate when it comes to defining "lurker", TL, and I don't think I'm buying your "I'm-an-innocent-victim-of-hypocracy" act...
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Dec 2, 2008 14:35:20 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 2, 2008 14:35:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, who are you again? Have we met? You're some South American fellow, right? My heart was almost broken - but then I read the next post - and I gotta go "align" with Santo - do you want to join in the fun?? And back to the game: I get votes for my lynch-a-lurker-strategy and then Town (I hope) go and decide to... lynch the lurker I'm confused I was a little suspicious of you for your crusade. I'll be honest; the reason I was suspicious was that in the update post, you didn't mention me, despite the fact I had not posted at all between the two lists. That made me think you were being a bit selective, and picking on one target over another. I didn't get my read of you finished yesterday, but I hope to deal with both the Bacon Brand players tonight.
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Dec 2, 2008 14:45:40 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 2, 2008 14:45:40 GMT -5
Chuc...has me confused...he seems to try to look like he is aligned with TL. I'm not sure if it is because he wants to align himself with a Town member because he is Scum and trying to gain credibility or because he is a Town and believes that TL is as well...though with suspicion on her this is odd. Or they could both be Scum. I'm going to do a better read and will post more soon....it's my day off and Shaggy is at work, can you tell? Hehehe! I think you're reading a little too much into that.. I don't know if totallost is town, and I don't feel like being associated with her (in game at least ). Maybe you can be more on clear on why you think this? The only thing I can see that could lead you to your theory is that I initially supported her lurker-lynching. It's no biggie, I just don't feel like getting misinterpreted again over something I did when I was ill. Anyway, after yet another reread, I'm still without any strong candidate. The following people went through my head before deciding to cast my vote: (Warning: semi-loose thoughts ahead) Shaggy: I don't like that he votes and smudges people without providing a real reason that he can be held accountable for later. However, he is pardoned by the fact that I can't imagine molefan just running away if he screwed up as scum and that he is a new player. I will however strongly encourage that all player try to articulate the reasons for their votes. peeker: For good or bad, I can't really get a read from him. And this is solely due to his playing style. He does appear to have toned it down a lot for this game, so the ping stays as a mere bleep. FCOD: Pings me slightly, but he did so last game to. Maybe it's his name or something. The only concrete thing that pings me about him is that his vote for DBI is easy to get away with. Then again, I'm considering rolling with that vote, so it's not exclusive to scum. NAF: Seems to eagerly play the game, and could be a good asset to us if he is allowed to live. Then again, I have a strange feeling that he might be scum trying a little to hard to appear town. Last game I don't remember him as quite so analytical.. Then again.. last game he wasn't town so.. Again, not much of a ping there either. totallost: I liked her lynch a lurker idea, but I think that the list was taking it a bit too far. However, it seems to me that scum wouldn't work that hard to set up someone for a lynch, risking their own necks along the way. Still, there is something undeterminable that pings me about her. Again, nothing that makes me think that she must absolutely be scum. mmouse: Is a good choice, but I think that if mmouse was scum he would've done something more to be less lurkery by now. As he has done nothing that I consider scummy, I will not vote for him at the moment. DBI: When FCOD voted for him(her?) I had to go back to check if such a player was actually in this game, or if FCOD had finally lost it. The lack of participation means one of three things IMO: - He is absent on purpose (hiding = very scummy) - He is absent due to lack of interest (neutral, but I have no problem lynching a non-participatory player) - He is absent due to other circumstances (neutral, but I would then expect to be able to find somewhere explaining why.. I assume we are past thanksgiving now?) For the reasons above: vote DBI
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Dec 2, 2008 14:47:42 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 2, 2008 14:47:42 GMT -5
That's what I get for going off to clean house. Zerial, Cookies and MHaye post my thoughts on totallost's lurker DEBACLE. My vote is staying where it is for now. I will change to mmouse#### if he/she doesn't grace us with some input. BTW
IDLE: Is it now time to poke some people? Or should we wait til Thursday? Your call oh great and glorius crazy MF'ing mod
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Dec 2, 2008 15:13:33 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 2, 2008 15:13:33 GMT -5
Ya know I kind of forgot all about DBI as well. Just for the record DBI was last on site Yesterday at 10:37 pm. She last posted in the Fluffity thread on Nov. 30 and her last game post was Nov. 26: Squido was last on site Nov. 25. His last post was Nov. 23: mmouse#### was last on site Yesterday at 2:33pm and has made only the one post that has already been quoted back on Nov. 24. I'm not liking DBI's drive thru vote on peeker at all. It's almost like she voted just to get on the vote record and is posting just enough to stay above the lurker threshold. I also don't like that mmouse#### is hanging around but not posting anything. Squid I'm not so sure what to think. He was in one game a while ago (I forget which one) where he simply forgot to come back and post and was voted out as a lurker. He was town. Fuck it, I changed my mind, and reserve the right to change it again. unvote totallostvote DBI
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Dec 2, 2008 15:24:56 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 2, 2008 15:24:56 GMT -5
Squido was last on site Nov. 25. His last post was Nov. 23: Squid I'm not so sure what to think. He was in one game a while ago (I forget which one) where he simply forgot to come back and post and was voted out as a lurker. He was town. Squid hasn't chimed in on the SDMB mafia game in a while either. I think he's MIA. But one game where he forgot to come back was Gastard. He was a PFK in that one. He suicided to activate his death power, and then never really used it after the first Day after suicide. His comment when that game ended was something along the lines of "easiest win ever".
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Dec 2, 2008 15:31:58 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 2, 2008 15:31:58 GMT -5
His comment when that game ended was something along the lines of "easiest win ever". Laziest win. Yeah, I don't know what's up with the folks that aren't here. I would like to get Idle pokes and responses from the pokes before we start voting them out. Also, Idle, what is your policy on lurkers? Do they get Modkilled if they vanish, do they get replaced? If they get modkilled how do you handle modkills? Full reveal or just remove them from the game?
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Dec 2, 2008 15:34:20 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 2, 2008 15:34:20 GMT -5
Squid hasn't chimed in on the SDMB mafia game in a while either. I think he's MIA. Are you in the SDMB game or just following it?? Now I'm even more confused...
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Dec 2, 2008 15:50:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 2, 2008 15:50:42 GMT -5
Just a quick chime in. Things have been hectic at work after the long weekend. And quite frankly I don't think I have anything really new to add at this time. I too would like to know what the policy is going to be on MIAs or non participants. Nothing would suck more than a modkill type repsonse with no reveal attached.
I'd consider moving my vote to DBI if it it didn't smack so much of OMGYS. Even though the level of lurkerdom with the attendant drive by vote with, in my opinion, a very lame explanation/justification.
And I am going to a Spurs game tonight so there is the off chance of something totally incomprehensible being posted around midnight CST.
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Dec 2, 2008 15:55:48 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Dec 2, 2008 15:55:48 GMT -5
And I am going to a Spurs game tonight so there is the off chance of something totally incomprehensible being posted around midnight CST. Oh, good.
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Dec 2, 2008 16:03:57 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Dec 2, 2008 16:03:57 GMT -5
I'm still here, but honestly I'm a little overwhelmed by this Day and I don't quite know what to make of it.
For now I'll stick with my vote on DBI (who is a girl btw, Chucara).
--FCOD
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Dec 2, 2008 16:05:34 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Dec 2, 2008 16:05:34 GMT -5
mmouse9979, have you played before? I'm wondering at your motivation, now... you're getting voted, not because we don't want you to play, but because we want all players to participate in the thread. Lurking is a great tactic for scum if they can get away with it, because it leaves town without a post history to evaluate, and we're hoping to prevent that. So, we're not trying to pick on you, this is just our backhanded way of welcoming you to the board...
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Dec 2, 2008 16:31:07 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 2, 2008 16:31:07 GMT -5
BTW, mmouse is one of the mods for hawks game (and is active on the spoiler boards over there)
We could get all nice and meta on her ass and start giving her grief over in that game. I think almost everyone in this game is either in that game or on the spoiler boards. Hell, MHaye is modding with her, we can probably drag her back kicking and screaming into this game.
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Dec 2, 2008 16:40:59 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 2, 2008 16:40:59 GMT -5
So you guys are saying mmouse is not a flake? Is there anyway she/he could have a post restriction thing going on?
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Dec 2, 2008 16:44:49 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 2, 2008 16:44:49 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows: I have poked both mmouse and Boozahol. Mmouse appears to, at least, have been on recently. Boozahol hasn't logged in, however, for the last three or four days or so.
Also note: There are TWO M. mouses in the game. There is the one that is JUST names mmouse (and also has numbers) and then there's Miteymouse, who lazy people might shorten to mmouse (although I hope they don't because then it's mass confusion).
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Dec 2, 2008 16:46:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 2, 2008 16:46:56 GMT -5
NETA.
This of course should have read. "I'd consider moving my vote to DBI if it it didn't smack so much of OMGYS. Even though the level of lurkerdom with the attendant drive by vote with, in my opinion, a very lame explanation/justification." would provide a reasonable basis for a DBI vote.
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Dec 2, 2008 16:49:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 2, 2008 16:49:45 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows: I have poked both mmouse and Boozahol. Mmouse appears to, at least, have been on recently. Boozahol hasn't logged in, however, for the last three or four days or so. Also note: There are TWO M. mouses in the game. There is the one that is JUST names mmouse (and also has numbers) and then there's Miteymouse, who lazy people might shorten to mmouse (although I hope they don't because then it's mass confusion). And of course that has never happened in the past so can't have it starting now. Can't we just make the 1 and 1A like at the horse races? Two for the price of one.
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Dec 2, 2008 16:54:40 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 2, 2008 16:54:40 GMT -5
Okay I've gone back and now I'm clear(er... than I was). Vote mmousefor having only made one post, and for that post obfuscating it's lack of content. I'm not going to vote for story at this point, although I'm interested in his response. Also I did a quick reread, sorry MiteyMouse is in fact a she. I sure hope so. Beause her husband (who is the player shaggy) is male. mmouse - 4 votes (KidV, Kat, misterblockey, Hoopy Frood) DBI - 3 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin) Mr Special Ed - 2 votes (zeriel, Cookies) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, shaggy) Total Lost - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI) shaggy - 1 vote (Mr Special Ed) bufftabby - 1 vote (storyteller) Pedescribe - 1 vote (Nanook) Nanook - 1 vote (Pedescribe) storyteller - 1 vote (bufftabby)
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Dec 2, 2008 16:59:56 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 2, 2008 16:59:56 GMT -5
Chuc...has me confused...he seems to try to look like he is aligned with TL. I'm not sure if it is because he wants to align himself with a Town member because he is Scum and trying to gain credibility or because he is a Town and believes that TL is as well...though with suspicion on her this is odd. Or they could both be Scum. I'm going to do a better read and will post more soon....it's my day off and Shaggy is at work, can you tell? Hehehe! I think you're reading a little too much into that.. I don't know if totallost is town, and I don't feel like being associated with her (in game at least ). Maybe you can be more on clear on why you think this? The only thing I can see that could lead you to your theory is that I initially supported her lurker-lynching. It's no biggie, I just don't feel like getting misinterpreted again over something I did when I was ill. How are you being misinterpreted? You supported TL on her lynch the lurker theory....even to it's faults. You voted for me as opposed to someone that had no content. This to me looks like you are trying to align yourself with her. Vote chucara
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Trepa Mayfield
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Dec 2, 2008 17:04:10 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 2, 2008 17:04:10 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows: I have poked both mmouse and Boozahol. Mmouse appears to, at least, have been on recently. Boozahol hasn't logged in, however, for the last three or four days or so. Also note: There are TWO M. mouses in the game. There is the one that is JUST names mmouse (and also has numbers) and then there's Miteymouse, who lazy people might shorten to mmouse (although I hope they don't because then it's mass confusion). Wait, clarify--You poked both Boozy and mmouse, but you did not poke Death By Irony? Is that correct?
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Dec 2, 2008 17:08:59 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 2, 2008 17:08:59 GMT -5
Dammit so much for a reread toNight, I'm just going to have to manage with what's been said since my last post for now.
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<!--//-->I'm a little out of it myself, so I can totally understand being distracted by personal shit. (Blockey, try listening to some Dylan or Clapton--it's doing me a world of good)
unvote misterblockey vote storyteller
for aforementioned making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill. Yeah, I said debacle. SFW? Now I'm starting to think special ed might've been on to something with his "storyteller set-up" theory as well. No, I'm not sure, but I like this better than my two previous votes (shaggy and blockey, in case you've forgotten, NAF )
I love using long words and often do so just for the sheer hell of it so I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. Your accusation that Story was making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill though seemed a little extreme. Coupled with the fact that you also included in the same post that you thought Mr Special Ed may have been onto something with his "storyteller set-up theory".
This storyline business has already been explained in detail by story but here's the relevant bit:
(yes I realise he made that post after you posted but it'd been mentioned by him previously too)
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Meanwhile, I stand by my interest in the use of the word "debacle," but much more broadly - and more of interest - is the way the brief disagreement between Mr. Special Ed and me has been blown up in subsequent conversation to be more than it was at the time.
These games wind up evolving into "storylines," whether we want them to or not. These are the "big" threads, the ones that you remember in the Days to come. We make mental connections among players, sometimes unwise connections, on the basis of their participation in these storylines. From a Scum standpoint, these storylines can be a useful tool. I remember M2 very well, even now. I remember how we (the Scum in that game) found a modest disagreement between Townies in the early game and tried our best to keep referencing it, blowing it out of proportion, fanning the flames to generate not just one mislynch, but many.
And it struck me that somehow, a brief disagreement between me and Mr. Special Ed regarding molefan, something that both he and I abandoned, satisfied, some time ago, has become a reference point. It keeps getting mentioned, made into a bigger deal than it was - made into a storyline when it was really just a blip. Now, I have no idea why this is happening - could be just one of those things - but it has the gentle aroma of manipulation to me. So I suggest looking more closely at the way in which this came to pass. The word "debacle" has been used three times, but the events have been referenced as significant - as storylines - more often than that. Why? By who, and in what context?
I'm comfortable continuing with it as a line of inquiry.
story and Ed moved on from this ages ago and it's still being regurgitated regularly. I don't get it and was surprised by the heat it generated when it first started as well. I've noticed in previous games that there's a kind of belief that story and BLAM will always disagree even though this definitely isn't the case in all the games they play. Could it be as simple as people just expect there to be controversy around story and Mr Special's toDay's choice of BLAM or is it an effort to throw suspicion on one or both of them? Or, of course town making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill.
Not sure yet but I think it's worth remembering.
I did a quick reread and still have the feeling about TL and quite honestly, I thought that I did vote for her already. I know many others have mentioned it but, the list of lurkers and then overlooking the people that had less posts than me seems odd. Though she might have been trying to get e to speak up and in that case, it is a forgiveable overlook
Blocky I'm confused as to who you are talking about...You are saying things about me and then voting MMouse...if it would make things easier, call me Mitey.
Chuc...has me confused...he seems to try to look like he is aligned with TL. I'm not sure if it is because he wants to align himself with a Town member because he is Scum and trying to gain credibility or because he is a Town and believes that TL is as well...though with suspicion on her this is odd. Or they could both be Scum. I'm going to do a better read and will post more soon....it's my day off and Shaggy is at work, can you tell? Hehehe!
miteymouse - I don't like this post. You accuse chuc of trying to allign with TL but don't explain how he's supposed to be doing it. You then go on to give examples of why he might be doing it depending on whether he's town or scum and whether Total is town or scum. You manage to smudge him and Total in the process but at no time to you give any reasoning behind your arguments.
I don't know what side either of them are on but if you're going to make a case against one or both of them can you at least give some clear reasons?
Sorry for the huge post length but I wanted to get it out all at once (as the actress said to the bishop) as I'm falling asleep here.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 2, 2008 17:09:55 GMT -5
How are you being misinterpreted? You supported TL on her lynch the lurker theory....even to it's faults. You voted for me as opposed to someone that had no content. This to me looks like you are trying to align yourself with her. You're pounding this point pretty hard; why are you operating on the assumption that aligning oneself with Total Hottie would be a good thing? Of course, I mean aligning, not "aligning".
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Dec 2, 2008 17:12:22 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 2, 2008 17:12:22 GMT -5
Squid hasn't chimed in on the SDMB mafia game in a while either. I think he's MIA. Are you in the SDMB game or just following it?? Now I'm even more confused... Just following it. I've noticed that boozy hasn't posted to the game thread in a while.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:14:20 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 2, 2008 17:14:20 GMT -5
miteymouse - I don't like this post. You accuse chuc of trying to allign with TL but don't explain how he's supposed to be doing it. You then go on to give examples of why he might be doing it depending on whether he's town or scum and whether Total is town or scum. No. The point mitey brought up was that they might both be scum; but why would one scum try to align themselves with another. It wouldn't make sense.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:16:33 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 2, 2008 17:16:33 GMT -5
I think you're reading a little too much into that.. I don't know if totallost is town, and I don't feel like being associated with her (in game at least ). Maybe you can be more on clear on why you think this? The only thing I can see that could lead you to your theory is that I initially supported her lurker-lynching. It's no biggie, I just don't feel like getting misinterpreted again over something I did when I was ill. How are you being misinterpreted? You supported TL on her lynch the lurker theory....even to it's faults. You voted for me as opposed to someone that had no content. This to me looks like you are trying to align yourself with her. Vote chucaraI'm being misinterpreted if you get from me agreeing with TL that I must also therefore seek to be associated with her. I voted for you because you were the one with the fewest posts and no reason for not being around. I did not double check her list as I didn't expect to keep my vote on you. My vote on you might as well have been a random lurker. And I moved it once you started participation. I don't really get your vote though.. Is it a delayed OMGUS, or do you think that the list was scummy? In which case.. shouldn't you be voting for TL? (I'm not suggesting that you do.. just trying to understand the logic behind the votes for me, as they all seem to be for different reasons.. well two seem to be mostly because I've managed to piss people off somehow (which isn't necessarily a bad thing for us)). Rugger's vote, I'm not really sure of.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:15:21 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 2, 2008 17:15:21 GMT -5
miteymouse - I don't like this post. You accuse chuc of trying to allign with TL but don't explain how he's supposed to be doing it. You then go on to give examples of why he might be doing it depending on whether he's town or scum and whether Total is town or scum. No. The point mitey brought up was that they might both be scum; but why would one scum try to align themselves with another. It wouldn't make sense. Yeah that was one of the points she brought up. I still don't see how she sees chuc as trying to allign with Total under any circumstances though other than partially agreeing on her lynch the lurker theory.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:17:32 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 2, 2008 17:17:32 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows: I have poked both mmouse and Boozahol. Mmouse appears to, at least, have been on recently. Boozahol hasn't logged in, however, for the last three or four days or so. Also note: There are TWO M. mouses in the game. There is the one that is JUST names mmouse (and also has numbers) and then there's Miteymouse, who lazy people might shorten to mmouse (although I hope they don't because then it's mass confusion). Wait, clarify--You poked both Boozy and mmouse, but you did not poke Death By Irony? Is that correct? Correct. DBI has made more posts than those two. However I will poke her tonight (or early tomorrow) if she does not start posting.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:18:24 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Dec 2, 2008 17:18:24 GMT -5
So you guys are saying mmouse is not a flake? Is there anyway she/he could have a post restriction thing going on? It's possible - if she's only allowed to post once a Day, though, that'd kinda suck. I'm not saying she's not a flake, at all. I don't know whats going on with her. But she's been on multiple times since her last post, she has to know there's heat building, and I don't know if she's played enough to know that it isn't personal or what. Thats a really long sentence, right there.
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Dec 2, 2008 17:18:59 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 2, 2008 17:18:59 GMT -5
mmouse - 4 votes (KidV, Kat, misterblockey, Hoopy Frood) DBI - 3 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin) Chucara - 3 votes (Santo Rugger, shaggy, miteymouse) Mr Special Ed - 2 votes (zeriel, Cookies) Total Lost - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI) shaggy - 1 vote (Mr Special Ed) bufftabby - 1 vote (storyteller) Pedescribe - 1 vote (Nanook) Nanook - 1 vote (Pedescribe) storyteller - 1 vote (bufftabby)
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