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Dec 9, 2008 13:47:29 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:47:29 GMT -5
I got the last 2 lines of the Vanilla Town PM. The before part was saying how emotional I was and then that I could change the weather. I thought it was just for colour until the blizzard. Then I got a PM saying that I had changed the win condition...and that I had a power that was unconsiously tripped when I change the weather...because of my overactive emotions.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:49:37 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:49:37 GMT -5
I am not Scum I assure you AH...that being said, it is a confusing role and I'd hate to change more of the game. I don't know how I'm going to change things as I change the weather.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:52:54 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 9, 2008 13:52:54 GMT -5
MiteyMouse, I know we've just met and all, so I hope you don't take offense, but your claim reads like an oxymoron.
Nothing about what you describe belongs in a sentence with the word "vanilla", at least not in any game I've ever played.
We've had "virtually vanilla" where a power role has used a one-shot power and then end up vanilla, or confirmed mason who is the last of the brotherhood to survive.
But being able to change the win-condition, whether you knew that would be the outcome or not, is anything but vanilla.
Now what that all means with respect to what we do with you possibly voting for mmouse, I have no idea. If I could vote to lynch you both at this point, I'd be tempted to.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:54:45 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:54:45 GMT -5
What Santa said and You say here you're not vanilla town:
Me too to all of this. I'm ok with being the last voter. I am not Vanilla but, my role will not be missed...actually you might all be better without it! Then you say here that you are:
My original PM just said that I was Vanilla Town but, had an ability to control the weather. After I changed the weather I then got a PM saying that I changed the win condition. I have no idea what else I can change...though I did specifically ask if it could result in anyone being killed and was told no. The rest of my questions could not be answered. I'm not actually sure what happens if I die but, was told that the changing weather could continue...I have no idea if it will be me picking it or if Idle will do it randomly. I'm not actually sure if I HAVE to change the weather but, Idle did PM me asking for my action....I really thought it was just for game colour so I decided on the blizzard as it was snowing here at the time and I wanted to share the love. Can you just make it easy for us and say you're scum please? My original PM was basically a Vanilla PM....or so I thought. I found out after what my role could do. So I guess that you are right, I'm not Vanilla and never should have thought that I was due to me being able to change the weather.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:58:18 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:58:18 GMT -5
I got the last 2 lines of the Vanilla Town PM. The before part was saying how emotional I was and then that I could change the weather. I thought it was just for colour until the blizzard. Then I got a PM saying that I had changed the win condition...and that I had a power that was unconsiously tripped when I change the weather...because of my overactive emotions. It's weird because you actually sound genuine and I can't think of a reason why you'd tell us all this unless you need to die to acheive your win condition. So I didn't actually claim vanilla town before but I'm going to now. The reason I'm doing so is because part of the role pm says "you have no powers to speak of". I pmed Idle about this as I was hoping I might get a cool power later on but I was told in no uncertain terms no - not ever. So I just don't know what to do with you.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:58:53 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 9, 2008 13:58:53 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not moving my vote. Asking for only two people to have their votes on somebody is begging for trouble. Agreed, I think we are way over thinking this. It is possible that she is a scum bomb...but you know what I don't know that I care all that much. It's early in the game and we can afford some collateral damage. We can't afford to accidentally not lynch an anti town element when they present themselves to us. The longer we wait the more dangerous she is to us numbers wise.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:59:03 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 9, 2008 13:59:03 GMT -5
Or we're all up to our armpits in a collision of a newbie (at least to these boards, right?) and the long-held significance of a term that was not specifically defined for everyone's use. ![:-*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/smack.gif)
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Dec 9, 2008 14:00:32 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 14:00:32 GMT -5
MiteyMouse, I know we've just met and all, so I hope you don't take offense, but your claim reads like an oxymoron. Nothing about what you describe belongs in a sentence with the word "vanilla", at least not in any game I've ever played. We've had "virtually vanilla" where a power role has used a one-shot power and then end up vanilla, or confirmed mason who is the last of the brotherhood to survive. But being able to change the win-condition, whether you knew that would be the outcome or not, is anything but vanilla. Now what that all means with respect to what we do with you possibly voting for mmouse, I have no idea. If I could vote to lynch you both at this point, I'd be tempted to. I know....it may have been a mistake to use Vanilla as I obviously am not. Like I said though I thought that the weather changing was just for colour in the game. And if you are all confused about my role, just imagine how confused I was when I found out it was me that changed the win condition!!
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Dec 9, 2008 14:01:24 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 14:01:24 GMT -5
I got the last 2 lines of the Vanilla Town PM. The before part was saying how emotional I was and then that I could change the weather. I thought it was just for colour until the blizzard. Then I got a PM saying that I had changed the win condition...and that I had a power that was unconsiously tripped when I change the weather...because of my overactive emotions. Didn't read that properly the first time. Last two lines are just allignment and win condition. I expect everyone got that whatever their role if they're town. That isn't a vanilla town pm! ![:-*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/smack.gif)
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Dec 9, 2008 14:02:56 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 9, 2008 14:02:56 GMT -5
Mitey, do you have control over your power?
Can you post your full PM?
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Dec 9, 2008 14:04:18 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 14:04:18 GMT -5
Don't be silly, cookies. Why would somebody claim something that wasn't in their role PM*? Why would somebody who was pro town say their power was anti town? Why would somebody who was acting in good faith not post their PM when asked to, repeatedly?
*As in, claiming PFK when you're town; I don't mean claiming town when you're scum or PFK, or claiming scum when PFK or PFK when you're scum (as there are valid reasons from those peoples point of view to do so).
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Dec 9, 2008 14:04:46 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 14:04:46 GMT -5
I got the last 2 lines of the Vanilla Town PM. The before part was saying how emotional I was and then that I could change the weather. I thought it was just for colour until the blizzard. Then I got a PM saying that I had changed the win condition...and that I had a power that was unconsiously tripped when I change the weather...because of my overactive emotions. It's weird because you actually sound genuine and I can't think of a reason why you'd tell us all this unless you need to die to acheive your win condition. So I didn't actually claim vanilla town before but I'm going to now. The reason I'm doing so is because part of the role pm says "you have no powers to speak of". I pmed Idle about this as I was hoping I might get a cool power later on but I was told in no uncertain terms no - not ever. So I just don't know what to do with you. I have the same win condition as the rest of the Town...I came out because I thought it would be better to come out and if I survive, get help from the Town on what I should do. I hate that I changed the win condition and hate to have to try to figure out what to change the weather to now knowing that it will have an effect on everyone playing in the game!
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 14:06:03 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 14:06:03 GMT -5
Mitey, do you have control over your power? Can you post your full PM? Are we allowed to post our PMs? I will but, would rather have you all lynch me than be Mod killed!
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 14:10:24 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 14:10:24 GMT -5
Ok...I just got a PM from Idle...I don't have to change the weather but, the other changes will still occur. It is unconscious because of how emotional I am.
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 14:16:29 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 14:16:29 GMT -5
This is my first PM...
Role « Message sent on Nov 20, 2008, 10:22pm » [Reply]
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 14:19:40 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 14:19:40 GMT -5
I'm going to go and have dinner and come back when my brain's defuzzed cos right now I can't see a reason why your pm wouldn't tell you about any side effects.
Idle did say this wasn't a Gastard game didn't he?
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Dec 9, 2008 14:48:07 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 14:48:07 GMT -5
This is my first PM... Role « Message sent on Nov 20, 2008, 10:22pm » [Reply] So you can "will PM" every Night (sounds like you need to) and change the weather but you: 1. Don't know how Idle will use the change 2. Don't need to be alive to do this I can see why you thought you were just vanilla - but the choice of word might not have been the best ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) But as NAF pointed out several times in Day1: We should not lynch nor clear anyone for one SINGLE action ;D
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Dec 9, 2008 15:08:05 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 15:08:05 GMT -5
I can see why you thought you were just vanilla - but the choice of word might not have been the best ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Really? What's the opposite of Vanilla, in your opinion?
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Dec 9, 2008 15:16:17 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 15:16:17 GMT -5
I can see why you thought you were just vanilla - but the choice of word might not have been the best ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Really? What's the opposite of Vanilla, in your opinion? I didn't say I would have called that role vanilla - but as I said: I got what MiteyM meant when she used that word. To me - the opposite of Vanilla is a "power role"* - and I could see why MiteyM didn't think that role had any power. When I first saw it I thought it was a awesome role - but I can see how someone (from the role PM) can read it like MiteyM did. * actually: Even after being told of by you and Story I still can't help to feel that Vanilla Town isn't a role - and that the role/ power role is a bit of nitpick... but then again I have so much respect for you both as experienced players - so I do try to distinguish between a "role" and a "power role" *lol*
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Dec 9, 2008 15:43:06 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 15:43:06 GMT -5
Idle did say this wasn't a Gastard game didn't he? I don't recall him saying that. Where did you see it?
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Dec 9, 2008 15:43:10 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 9, 2008 15:43:10 GMT -5
Don't be silly, cookies. Why would somebody claim something that wasn't in their role PM*? Why would somebody who was pro town say their power was anti town? Why would somebody who was acting in good faith not post their PM when asked to, repeatedly? *As in, claiming PFK when you're town; I don't mean claiming town when you're scum or PFK, or claiming scum when PFK or PFK when you're scum (as there are valid reasons from those peoples point of view to do so). I know that's a rhetorical question, but I've thought long and hard about this (idle speculation, mind you), and if I'm ever in this situation...well, you'll know about it. I'm going to go and have dinner and come back when my brain's defuzzed cos right now I can't see a reason why your pm wouldn't tell you about any side effects. Idle did say this wasn't a Gastard game didn't he? He did. Second post in the "Cool Ideas for Games" thread in the Meta Posting forum. I can see why you thought you were just vanilla - but the choice of word might not have been the best ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Really? What's the opposite of Vanilla, in your opinion? Well, duh. Chocolate! ;D
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Dec 9, 2008 15:44:50 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 15:44:50 GMT -5
To me - the opposite of Vanilla is a "power role"* - and I could see why MiteyM didn't think that role had any power. So if the definition of a power role is a role that has a power, how can you see how somebody who has a power would think that they were the opposite of a power role?
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Dec 9, 2008 15:49:53 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 15:49:53 GMT -5
I propose we don't listen to a fucking word mmouse says from here on out. I agree with you and Nanook. Lynch her, move on. As for other suspects--I'm still suspicious of Mr. Ed for earlier stated reasons, and I agree with Nanook that peeker may have made a huge slip. And I don't mind keeping my vote where it is, even if she is a bomb. Do you mind telling me again: You are suspicious of Mr. Special Ed because of his vote (even thought you did agree) and then when he asked you - you didn't really want to talk anymore about it. So you unvoted - and still you suspect him of being scummy based on the vote?? Or for the "let Day end when ever"?? I don't think I got this right - why are you suspecting Mr. S Ed ?
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 15:52:40 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 15:52:40 GMT -5
To me - the opposite of Vanilla is a "power role"* - and I could see why MiteyM didn't think that role had any power. So if the definition of a power role is a role that has a power, how can you see how somebody who has a power would think that they were the opposite of a power role? Because SHE didn't see it as a power - MiteyM just thought she could add a bit of color (and I know - we are not on FB right now - but that would be so FB... to have a player adding color but no power)
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Dec 9, 2008 16:02:56 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 16:02:56 GMT -5
My original PM just said that I was Vanilla Town but, had an ability to control the weather. Also, this part: After I changed the weather I then got a PM saying that I changed the win condition. Does not mesh with this part: This is my first PM... Role « Message sent on Nov 20, 2008, 10:22pm » [Reply] If this were a town power, it would most certainly be helpful at endgame, if, say, we somehow deduced all the PFK were dead, and could change that to our new win condition. Since helpful = useful, MiteyMouse is obviously lying.
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 16:11:29 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 16:11:29 GMT -5
I was told (as you can all see) in my PM that changing the weather was not useful...so I thought I was basically without power. I have a role so Vanilla was not the right thing to say but, I really did think as my PM states, that my role was just for colour in the game.
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Dec 9, 2008 16:11:30 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Dec 9, 2008 16:11:30 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with Santo here...either you are lying or Idle is. If your PM said that your power won't do anything useful, Idle lied to you in your PM. That seems unlikely to me, so I think you're lying.
Lynch all liars, etc... Vote MiteyMouse
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Dec 9, 2008 16:14:13 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 16:14:13 GMT -5
I'm not lying and I wouldn't say that Idle is lying either. He has since told me (as I previously stated) that it is an unconcious power so, I can't control it....because Mallow is very emotional.
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Dec 9, 2008 16:15:25 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 16:15:25 GMT -5
If this were a town power, it would most certainly be helpful at endgame, if, say, we somehow deduced all the PFK were dead, and could change that to our new win condition. Since helpful = useful, MiteyMouse is obviously lying. I didn't see that - now I get what you were getting at...
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Dec 9, 2008 16:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 16:16:16 GMT -5
Hm.. I don't know if I can support a MiteyMouse lynch.. I mean.. it's pretty easy to confirm that (s)he is Mallow. FCOD - are you voting because you think (s)he is lying about being Mallow, or lying about being town?
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