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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 10:41:55 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Dec 9, 2008 10:41:55 GMT -5
You know what sucks? When you have a long post being written, and then your cat jumps up and rubs his head on the keyboard, in the process erasing the whole thing.
My cat just learned how to fly.
Conversation Today has ground to a halt compared to Yesterday. And the reason is obvious. All this talk about a bomb and how to handle a bomb and what if it's a time bomb and blah blah blah is getting us nowhere. We need to just lynch MMouse and move on, otherwise we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot long term. Obviously MMouse has her own plan and ideas on how to play and is not going to listen to the people calling for a full claim, and no amount of threatening to vote for her is going to change that. So just give it to her. I know Idle can be a gastard(Chia Bingo Manager anyone?), but I don't believe for a second that he would allow a role into the game that can steal a win from everyone on Day 2 with such a ridiculously easy requirement as simply being lynched. And if she's a scum bomb instead? Since when is a 1 for 1 trade on Day 2 a bad thing? Sure, if she's lucky or has a good read on someone she might hit a power role, but even that isn't the end of the world. The current Dope game should have shown people the danger of relying on power roles. Use them sure, rely on them no. The only real question to my mind now is whether we should go ahead and end the Day now, or wait til later to do so. Right now I'm leaning towards waiting til later, since there's still the possibility of some decent conversation Today, though if continues to be as stagnant as it is right now, we might want to just end it and move on.
On the topic of moving on, I'd like to address something else. I don't believe peeker when he says that he received the PM regarding the changed win condition. The timing of the whole thing just doesn't work for me. When he posted over the weekend, he definately came across to me as someone who hadn't received the PM. Then on Monday, he came out with his little "Oh I received it, I was just trying to trap someone" spiel. Knowing that there are many players who don't post on weekends, and knowing that scum can talk during the Day, putting two and two together makes me think that someone came into the thread, saw the interactions, and then posted to the scum boards telling peeker that he couldn't ignore it and giving him an idea of what to say to try and cover his ass. The whole situation just stinks to me, and right now he's moved into the top spot on my suspicion list after MMouse.
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Dec 9, 2008 10:59:31 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 9, 2008 10:59:31 GMT -5
I propose we don't listen to a fucking word mmouse says from here on out. I agree with you and Nanook. Lynch her, move on. As for other suspects--I'm still suspicious of Mr. Ed for earlier stated reasons, and I agree with Nanook that peeker may have made a huge slip. And I don't mind keeping my vote where it is, even if she is a bomb.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:01:42 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 11:01:42 GMT -5
Jeez, I'm beginning to be really sorry I suggested we prolong the Day. If Almost Human and MiteyM are vanilla*, as they seem to be saying, we have given away too much information already this Day. Right now I'm ready to let them put their votes on mmouse and have everyone else take theirs off and be done with the discussion. We can swirl the wine around all day about bob-bombs, time bombs, jesters, is she PFK or is she scum and if she's alive tomorrow we can rinse and repeat. Or we can move on.
*I don't necessarily believe they are both vanilla's. For example one or both could be scum/PFK buddies of mmouse and know she is not a bomb and are altruistically volunteering to gain town cred.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:07:01 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 11:07:01 GMT -5
I agree with Nanook to some extent that it isn't a huge loss to us if we lose a power role and gain a dead scum, but seeing as it's free to avoid it, I don't really see a reason not to - if we agree there's a good chance of a scum bomb.
To me our situation is as follows (one out of many possible courses of action): 1. We agree on whether we think (A) mmouse is a bomb or (B) not.
If (A) we figure out if we want (1) Two vanillas to vote (2) Everyone to vote (3) The two most scummy people to vote
If (B) we continue as normal with the votes
Personally, I'm prefering A3 right now, as mmouse seems quite keen on getting lynched - scum or not, we might as well try to avoid the risk.
I think we need to decide this soon, as the discussion is getting repetitive already.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:07:19 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 11:07:19 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not moving my vote. Asking for only two people to have their votes on somebody is begging for trouble.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:11:25 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 9, 2008 11:11:25 GMT -5
I also think we should just lynch and move on. I'm leaving my vote where it is. I think we're over-analyzing this up the wazoo.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:14:04 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 9, 2008 11:14:04 GMT -5
How the hell are y'all proposing to decide who "the most scummy" people to vote in this scheme would be? How the hell are you going to trust those people to not start flinging monkey business around?
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Dec 9, 2008 11:16:02 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 11:16:02 GMT -5
Unless we come up with a way to insta-vote, everybody cannot vote.
Santo: Are you worried that with only two votes one of our volunteers would try to pull a fast one at the end and we have a tie or a no lynch? That seems to be a pretty silly play.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:32:24 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 11:32:24 GMT -5
No. Just as I argued before that it's like hearding cats to get everybody to vote early, it's equally as difficult to get everybody to go along with a plan that leaves two, and only two, votes on one person. There's too big of a chance for everything to fuck up. It'd be a pretty silly play, sure, but I'd rather not take the risk. We've got one in the hand, and none in the bush. Why risk it?
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Dec 9, 2008 11:42:05 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 11:42:05 GMT -5
I just thought of something else. mmouse could be a vote changer, hmmmm.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:44:02 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 11:44:02 GMT -5
How the hell are y'all proposing to decide who "the most scummy" people to vote in this scheme would be? How the hell are you going to trust those people to not start flinging monkey business around? In the same way we decide to lynch the most scummy person normally? Except someone other than Idle has to count the votes. The way I see it, we get absolutely no voting records or other information by letting two people lynch mmouse. If we pseudo-vote for two people, we'd still have those patterns to go by and the discussion that follows, not to say the least. For example, I'm inclined to agree that peeker made a slip, so I might vote peeker in orange. The two topmost candidates would be the lynch voters. Only downside I can see to this is that everyone needs to start doing it now. If I'm the only one I'll shut up so we can (hopefully) get some real discussion flowing again. This was meant as a way to do so.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:50:36 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 9, 2008 11:50:36 GMT -5
How the hell are y'all proposing to decide who "the most scummy" people to vote in this scheme would be? How the hell are you going to trust those people to not start flinging monkey business around? In the same way we decide to lynch the most scummy person normally? Except someone other than Idle has to count the votes. The way I see it, we get absolutely no voting records or other information by letting two people lynch mmouse. If we pseudo-vote for two people, we'd still have those patterns to go by and the discussion that follows, not to say the least. For example, I'm inclined to agree that peeker made a slip, so I might vote peeker in orange. The two topmost candidates would be the lynch voters. Only downside I can see to this is that everyone needs to start doing it now. If I'm the only one I'll shut up so we can (hopefully) get some real discussion flowing again. This was meant as a way to do so. It's an interesting idea. But in order to do this, you'd need everyone on board, which will never happen, you'd need everyone to be on at the same time, which will also never happen, and you'd need exactly 2 people voting, which would be wide open to scum manipulation. I'd rather take the safer way even if it ends in my death. No offense.
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Dec 9, 2008 11:55:08 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 11:55:08 GMT -5
None taken. In fact, with sinjin's comment that mmouse might be a scum politician, maybe we are getting paranoid.. So what do you suggest? That we all vote, or that just a few vanillas vote? If we're going to have 4+ people voting because mmouse might be a bomb, I think we should all vote rather than give away all the vanillas.
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Dec 9, 2008 12:10:40 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 12:10:40 GMT -5
All right slight modification. We get our most famous vanilla claimer in the vote pool too. So Shaggy, Almost Human and MiteyM vote mmouse. At worst we trade one for one, at best she's not a bomb at all and we get one while losing nothing. If everyone else agrees not to vote scum manipulation will be obvious and we will have two in hand. I'm really afraid that if we continue down this path we will be shrinking the pool in which our power roles can hide.
Chucara did you miss my post? We can't all vote. It's an automatic lynch at 12 votes.
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Dec 9, 2008 12:32:01 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 12:32:01 GMT -5
Chucara did you miss my post? We can't all vote. It's an automatic lynch at 12 votes. Why is that a problem? If we don't want to end the day early, we can just wait. Nevermind though, I'm fine with the four you mentioned and not having any other vanillas claim by voting. Unless a scum politician can move three votes, we are good.
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Dec 9, 2008 12:32:57 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 9, 2008 12:32:57 GMT -5
If you can get those people to show up, agree, and vote, I'll take my vote off. Until then, it is staying put.
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Dec 9, 2008 12:50:07 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 12:50:07 GMT -5
Chucara did you miss my post? We can't all vote. It's an automatic lynch at 12 votes. Why is that a problem? If we don't want to end the day early, we can just wait. Nevermind though, I'm fine with the four you mentioned and not having any other vanillas claim by voting. Unless a scum politician can move three votes, we are good. That would be three Chucara. Where are you coming up with 4? And it's an automatic lynch with 12 votes whether or not we wait till the end of the day. In order for everyone to vote and so be subject to the random/not random potentiality that is the theoretical mmouse bomb we would all have to be on line at the same time and vote at the same time. What are the chances of that happening? Not to mention the opportunity for scum/PFK last minute shenanigans.
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Dec 9, 2008 12:54:52 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 9, 2008 12:54:52 GMT -5
Why is that a problem? If we don't want to end the day early, we can just wait. Nevermind though, I'm fine with the four you mentioned and not having any other vanillas claim by voting. Unless a scum politician can move three votes, we are good. That would be three Chucara. Where are you coming up with 4? And it's an automatic lynch with 12 votes whether or not we wait till the end of the day. In order for everyone to vote and so be subject to the random/not random potentiality that is the theoretical mmouse bomb we would all have to be on line at the same time and vote at the same time. What are the chances of that happening? Not to mention the opportunity for scum/PFK last minute shenanigans. Ah sorry, I just counted the bolded names, missing that one of them was mmouse himself. And point taken about the 12 votes.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:00:47 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 13:00:47 GMT -5
But you still want to lynch her toDay? Yes. I don't understand the intent of your question. Sorry. My intent (as always) was to get clarification. I just wanted to know if you still felt like voting for her - now I know
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 13:01:02 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:01:02 GMT -5
All right slight modification. We get our most famous vanilla claimer in the vote pool too. So Shaggy, Almost Human and MiteyM vote mmouse. At worst we trade one for one, at best she's not a bomb at all and we get one while losing nothing. If everyone else agrees not to vote scum manipulation will be obvious and we will have two in hand. I'm really afraid that if we continue down this path we will be shrinking the pool in which our power roles can hide. Chucara did you miss my post? We can't all vote. It's an automatic lynch at 12 votes. OK I'm willing to do that. Any particular order you want it done in? I was just going to vote then I realised that probably wouldn't be fair as there's a chance the last voter might be the one who gets it if there's any getting to be got. By the way I haven't actually claimed vanilla but whether I am or not I think it's a good trade.
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Day Two
Dec 9, 2008 13:04:48 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:04:48 GMT -5
All right slight modification. We get our most famous vanilla claimer in the vote pool too. So Shaggy, Almost Human and MiteyM vote mmouse. At worst we trade one for one, at best she's not a bomb at all and we get one while losing nothing. If everyone else agrees not to vote scum manipulation will be obvious and we will have two in hand. I'm really afraid that if we continue down this path we will be shrinking the pool in which our power roles can hide. Chucara did you miss my post? We can't all vote. It's an automatic lynch at 12 votes. OK I'm willing to do that. Any particular order you want it done in? I was just going to vote then I realised that probably wouldn't be fair as there's a chance the last voter might be the one who gets it if there's any getting to be got. By the way I haven't actually claimed vanilla but whether I am or not I think it's a good trade. Me too to all of this. I'm ok with being the last voter. I am not Vanilla but, my role will not be missed...actually you might all be better without it!
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Dec 9, 2008 13:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:09:27 GMT -5
OK I'm willing to do that. Any particular order you want it done in? I was just going to vote then I realised that probably wouldn't be fair as there's a chance the last voter might be the one who gets it if there's any getting to be got. By the way I haven't actually claimed vanilla but whether I am or not I think it's a good trade. Me too to all of this. I'm ok with being the last voter. I am not Vanilla but, my role will not be missed...actually you might all be better without it! I don't really know how to respond to that but felt I had to say something! I'm not going to ask you to claim but I am going to ask you if you think it would be better for us if you did?
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Dec 9, 2008 13:17:50 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:17:50 GMT -5
Me too to all of this. I'm ok with being the last voter. I am not Vanilla but, my role will not be missed...actually you might all be better without it! I don't really know how to respond to that but felt I had to say something! I'm not going to ask you to claim but I am going to ask you if you think it would be better for us if you did? May as well...I am MALLOW. For all intents and purposes I am Vanilla Town but, at night I can change the weather. After I changed it to the Blizzard with ice pellets, I found out that I can also change an aspect of the game...thought, I'm not sure what I will change until after I change the weather. This time it changed to a different win condition but, I worried about how else I might change things. I have been assured that it won't kill anyone but, besides that I'm unsure. It is apparently because Mallow is so emotional. I do know that the changing weather may continue from beyond the grave...because I am so emotional. I'm just not sure that my role is helpful to Town and I have weighed wheter or not to claim because it might be easier if I don't keep changing the game.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:23:49 GMT -5
I don't really know how to respond to that but felt I had to say something! I'm not going to ask you to claim but I am going to ask you if you think it would be better for us if you did? May as well...I am MALLOW. For all intents and purposes I am Vanilla Town but, at night I can change the weather. After I changed it to the Blizzard with ice pellets, I found out that I can also change an aspect of the game...thought, I'm not sure what I will change until after I change the weather. This time it changed to a different win condition but, I worried about how else I might change things. I have been assured that it won't kill anyone but, besides that I'm unsure. It is apparently because Mallow is so emotional. I do know that the changing weather may continue from beyond the grave...because I am so emotional. I'm just not sure that my role is helpful to Town and I have weighed wheter or not to claim because it might be easier if I don't keep changing the game. Well SHIT! Do you HAVE to change the weather every Night? What happens if you die? I mean what sort of things do you change from beyond the grave - did your pm give you any idea? I'm really not sure you should be voting at all until we've got a better idea of what we're facing. This is just weird.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:26:02 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 9, 2008 13:26:02 GMT -5
I don't really know how to respond to that but felt I had to say something! I'm not going to ask you to claim but I am going to ask you if you think it would be better for us if you did? May as well...I am MALLOW. For all intents and purposes I am Vanilla Town but, at night I can change the weather. After I changed it to the Blizzard with ice pellets, I found out that I can also change an aspect of the game...thought, I'm not sure what I will change until after I change the weather. This time it changed to a different win condition but, I worried about how else I might change things. I have been assured that it won't kill anyone but, besides that I'm unsure. It is apparently because Mallow is so emotional. I do know that the changing weather may continue from beyond the grave...because I am so emotional. I'm just not sure that my role is helpful to Town and I have weighed wheter or not to claim because it might be easier if I don't keep changing the game. That is one AWESOME role - I'm so jalous of you I can see your claim as a good thing - at least now we know (if you're telling the truth) what happend with the weather! So can you choose any kind of weather? Do you need to choose every Night?
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Dec 9, 2008 13:32:55 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 9, 2008 13:32:55 GMT -5
May as well...I am MALLOW. For all intents and purposes I am Vanilla Town but, at night I can change the weather. After I changed it to the Blizzard with ice pellets, I found out that I can also change an aspect of the game...thought, I'm not sure what I will change until after I change the weather. This time it changed to a different win condition but, I worried about how else I might change things. I have been assured that it won't kill anyone but, besides that I'm unsure. It is apparently because Mallow is so emotional. I do know that the changing weather may continue from beyond the grave...because I am so emotional. I'm just not sure that my role is helpful to Town and I have weighed wheter or not to claim because it might be easier if I don't keep changing the game. Well SHIT! Do you HAVE to change the weather every Night? What happens if you die? I mean what sort of things do you change from beyond the grave - did your pm give you any idea? I'm really not sure you should be voting at all until we've got a better idea of what we're facing. This is just weird. My original PM just said that I was Vanilla Town but, had an ability to control the weather. After I changed the weather I then got a PM saying that I changed the win condition. I have no idea what else I can change...though I did specifically ask if it could result in anyone being killed and was told no. The rest of my questions could not be answered. I'm not actually sure what happens if I die but, was told that the changing weather could continue...I have no idea if it will be me picking it or if Idle will do it randomly. I'm not actually sure if I HAVE to change the weather but, Idle did PM me asking for my action....I really thought it was just for game colour so I decided on the blizzard as it was snowing here at the time and I wanted to share the love.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:37:25 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:37:25 GMT -5
<!--//-->You have no powers to speak of.
You are aligned with the Town.
You win when all the people who are aligned with Scum are dead.
That doesn't really follow to me. I'd expect you to have your name and maybe a little colour added to a vanilla pm but not a big-assed power like that.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 9, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
Vanilla Town do not have abilities, by definition.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:41:47 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 9, 2008 13:41:47 GMT -5
What AH said: You have the power to change the weather and our win condition and that's considered VANILLA TOWN.
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Dec 9, 2008 13:44:26 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Dec 9, 2008 13:44:26 GMT -5
What Santa said and You say here you're not vanilla town:
May as well...I am MALLOW. For all intents and purposes I am Vanilla Town but, at night I can change the weather. After I changed it to the Blizzard with ice pellets, I found out that I can also change an aspect of the game...thought, I'm not sure what I will change until after I change the weather. This time it changed to a different win condition but, I worried about how else I might change things. I have been assured that it won't kill anyone but, besides that I'm unsure. It is apparently because Mallow is so emotional. I do know that the changing weather may continue from beyond the grave...because I am so emotional. I'm just not sure that my role is helpful to Town and I have weighed wheter or not to claim because it might be easier if I don't keep changing the game.
Well SHIT!
Do you HAVE to change the weather every Night?
What happens if you die? I mean what sort of things do you change from beyond the grave - did your pm give you any idea?
I'm really not sure you should be voting at all until we've got a better idea of what we're facing.
This is just weird. My original PM just said that I was Vanilla Town but, had an ability to control the weather. After I changed the weather I then got a PM saying that I changed the win condition. I have no idea what else I can change...though I did specifically ask if it could result in anyone being killed and was told no. The rest of my questions could not be answered. I'm not actually sure what happens if I die but, was told that the changing weather could continue...I have no idea if it will be me picking it or if Idle will do it randomly. I'm not actually sure if I HAVE to change the weather but, Idle did PM me asking for my action....I really thought it was just for game colour so I decided on the blizzard as it was snowing here at the time and I wanted to share the love.
Can you just make it easy for us and say you're scum please?
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