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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 15, 2009 13:48:54 GMT -5
Everyone lands hard on the ground in front of a large castle.
A prone body also falls onto the ground, but not as alive as the rest of you.
Nanook, AKA TOAD, A Town Doctor, needed to work on his landing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As you all approach the castle, the doors open wide and everyone shuffles in. The door closes behind you all with a loud slam. Suddenly, there is an evil laughter filling the room and everyone feels faint. You all pass out.
When you all wake up...everything is different.
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Everyone has been randomly given a new alignment and role. In some cases, the role may be one that has already been killed in the game. Nobody has a name, however.
These effects will last one full Day and one full Night. Those who are currently in any power roles will be able to use them toNight. Those who are now scum will be able to pick who dies toNight. But make your choices for toDay and toNight wisely....for on Day Eight, everything will go back as it used to be, with the original roles and sides.
Please note, VERY IMPORTANT: The person you lynch today will die...not their role. So that means when the original roles are back to normal, the person who dies toDay (and toNight)'s role/character will no longer be around, however the person who originally had the role that they are filling in for still will be (if the case applies).
And lastly, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: If any side or role wins toDay or toNight while everyone is still in changed form, THEY WILL WIN THE GAME AS THEY ARE NOW.
Happy hunting! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is now Day Seven.
KidV Total Lost MiteyMouse Kat sinjin Hoopy Frood Almost Human misterblockey Cookies
It will take EIGHT votes to end Day automatically...or, whoever has the most votes at the end of Day (which will be: Tuesday at 6pm).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 15, 2009 13:50:10 GMT -5
There is new data in the "Town PM" stickied thread.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 15, 2009 13:52:40 GMT -5
... .... ...... ......... Idle this is a gastard game. really really
So what was the investigation result?
I'm seriously considering no lynch today
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 15, 2009 13:55:03 GMT -5
Gastard game? I don't know what you're talking about! It's a fun, ridiculous, crazy, mixed-up, corny, surprising and expect the unexpected game (much like the SMB games are)...but certainly not a gastard one. : )
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:01:27 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the holder of the investigation results is currently of an unknown alignment. So would anyone want to trust any testimony that Hoopy might provide?
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Post by sinjin on Jan 15, 2009 14:03:00 GMT -5
I am soooo
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 15, 2009 14:09:00 GMT -5
I told you guys, this castle's evil, man!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:11:30 GMT -5
Brainstorming notes off the top of my head...
There's no way to be sure that any new insights we may or may not gain as to powers/roles/details even apply to the game at all once we go back to normal.
If we do a mass-claim, we'd open ourselves up to the original scum lying not only about normal circumstances, but they could also choose to lie about their existing circumstances, even if they are now townies or reconstituted scum/pfk, and then the current scum could also choose to lie about either normal circumstances or current circumstances.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 14:25:55 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the holder of the investigation results is currently of an unknown alignment. So would anyone want to trust any testimony that Hoopy might provide? That's up to you. Understand, that with this only lasting for one Cycle, the liklihood of anyone winning in this Cycle is slim, and since everything will snap back to normal toMorrow, we should probably play this like our old roles. In fact, with town sitting in a good position, it's probably best that we keep the same strategies as we would if nothing changed. Note that Town's win condition is still the same. That being said, I do have two pieces of info to give out, one from my old role, one from my new: 1.TotalLost is (was?) as I expected, Town. 2. The masons have a standalone win condition. If the only one(s) alive at the end of the game are mason, the masons steal the win from everybody. Yes, I am a mason for this cycle. And yes, I am the only one. I think this pretty much guarantees that KidV is confirmed now, since he was never counterclaimed, and clearly there was one mason remaining. So whoever the detective is (if any), if you were town yesterDay, keep yourself hidden well. Chances are scum, (if any former scum managed to keep scum) will kill me anyway because I'll pop right back as my detective self toMorrow. However, you will have an investigation, one that I wouldn't get since I'd be killed. Now to business. We have 3 unconfirmed remaining: blockey, cookies, and sinjin. We should ignore this role switch because the players, not the roles, die. It's possible if we lynch scum toDay we finish the game, in which case it sucks for any townies who have become scum. But I'd say the odds are better than even that there are two scum out there. Blockey's given us little to go on. Little to analyze. His play has been anti-town, even if he wasn't scum. He would be my first choice to lynch toDay. I will have to look over Sinjin and Cookies to see who would be my second choice. However, I am not opposed to a no-lynch. Thanks to Chucara, we got half a mislynch extra. A free kill for scum (which is what a no-kill/night-kill cycle ends up being) will not change much. And if both our scum toDay were former townies, it'd probably be in their best interest to not even night kill.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 14:32:30 GMT -5
I think this pretty much guarantees that KidV is confirmed now, since he was never counterclaimed, and clearly there was one mason remaining. Actually, that's not true. I forgot while I was writing that bit that Idle said some roles may have risen from the dead. So in theory I could be any one of the masons. And mass claim is rather useless toDay. It gives us nothing but noise. The only thing a mass claim will do is help any people with unique win conditions possibly meet theirs toDay. We can't even do role checking, since we weren't given character PM's, just roles, so I'm still apparently Wario. But this does bring up a question: For a player that is lynched/night killed, will we find out what their "original" role was or just their role for toDay?And let's hope former scum didn't get Serial Killer, cause that would suck.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 14:39:47 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the holder of the investigation results is currently of an unknown alignment. So would anyone want to trust any testimony that Hoopy might provide? *Raises Hand* I trust myself explicitly. ;D But seriously, why would I lie? Given the roles we've seen, do you have any reason to think that someone can pull off a solo win at this point? I don't even think a resurrected bomber can, because I doubt Zeriel lied about his condition. He was as good as dead, and had no reason to think his role would be resurrected, so we don't really even have to worry about the bomber. I mean, sure I'd try for a solo win given a chance, and I think many of us here would, but it's not going to happen for me, and I don't think it will for anyone else. (And on a metagame note, I still don't like the concept of steal-the-win masons.) Or were you scum in a former Day, and think your former side has the numbers and hole-Aces to win this? Because your insinuation makes little sense logically.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:43:06 GMT -5
Yes, I meant to qualify my statement about Hoopy's investigation results form last night. For the next Day/Night his alignment is in doubt, but we can go back to believing what he says about last Night's results Tomorrow.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:46:30 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the holder of the investigation results is currently of an unknown alignment. So would anyone want to trust any testimony that Hoopy might provide? *Raises Hand* I trust myself explicitly. ;D But seriously, why would I lie? Given the roles we've seen, do you have any reason to think that someone can pull off a solo win at this point? I don't even think a resurrected bomber can, because I doubt Zeriel lied about his condition. He was as good as dead, and had no reason to think his role would be resurrected, so we don't really even have to worry about the bomber. I mean, sure I'd try for a solo win given a chance, and I think many of us here would, but it's not going to happen for me, and I don't think it will for anyone else. (And on a metagame note, I still don't like the concept of steal-the-win masons.) Or were you scum in a former Day, and think your former side has the numbers and hole-Aces to win this? Because your insinuation makes little sense logically. We have no idea if a solo win condition may have been slipped into the shuffle toDay. Will you stipulate whether or not some roles at play to day were not ever in play previously, as opposed to roles being returned to the game from the dead?[/color][/b]
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 14:46:36 GMT -5
Yes, I meant to qualify my statement about Hoopy's investigation results form last night. For the next Day/Night his alignment is in doubt, but we can go back to believing what he says about last Night's results Tomorrow. That's assuming I don't get night killed. What are you going to do if I do? Throw out my investigation of TotalLost, or believe me?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:53:53 GMT -5
I am also parsing this as a contradiction. Please elaborate?[/color]
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 14:56:24 GMT -5
We have no idea if a solo win condition may have been slipped into the shuffle toDay. But the roles haven't changed. We still have the same 25 roles floating around toDay as we did Night 0. How is the risk of a solo win toDay any worse than the risk of a solo win any other day (barring the obvious decrease in numbers each Day)? We have no worse chance toDay of losing to a solo win than we would have had the roles not changed. If anything, we are better off because any unknown solo-wins might have been shuffled out. You're chasing ghosts. Town got to where we are toDay because we employed a strategy of ignoring the crazy crap being thrown at us and playing this game like we would a standard game of mafia. Minus world lynched the godfather on the Day we were supposed to kill town to win. And that lynch in turn outed Rugger. So our roles have changed for a cycle, so what? Our strategy shouldn't change beyond the long term, which is either we lynch confirm or we eat our 0.5 mislynch buffer by doing no-lynch. And if our new scum are former townies who will be back to townies toMorrow. We might not even see a kill this evening, or we'll see one come out of the unconfirmed pile, which will indicate that either a townie recieved and activated our potential vig, a townie got SK, or the townie scum decided to act as a collective vig. This mechanic can conceivably work in our favor, if we look past this Cycle.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 14:59:32 GMT -5
While I acknowledge that it is somewhat doubtful that Idle would throw in a totally new way for someone to steal the whole game as a pfk or some sort of third-party masonry, just in this Day/Night cycle it is still possible. I already have pre-Castle Total Lost in my "townie" pile, slightly to the side of you and the rest of the confirmed players. That is not likely to change if you turn up dead Tomorrow.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 15:01:12 GMT -5
We have no idea if a solo win condition may have been slipped into the shuffle toDay. But the roles haven't changed. We still have the same 25 roles floating around toDay as we did Night 0. This isn't clear to me, see my above question.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 15:06:33 GMT -5
[quoteYes, I am a mason for this cycle. And yes, I am the only one. I think this pretty much guarantees that KidV is confirmed now, since he was never counterclaimed, and clearly there was one mason remaining.[/quote]
This isn't clear to me either. Any conclusions based on our current state are not going to be clear to me, because we can't trust anything about our current state.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 15:06:59 GMT -5
grrr
This isn't clear to me either. Any conclusions based on our current state are not going to be clear to me, because we can't trust anything about our current state.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 15, 2009 15:08:38 GMT -5
If total lost is town then cookies and sinjin are scum.
My best case though is vs sinjin's actions recently.
First, claiming a strongman roll. It's a big anti-lynch thing there, especially when lylo is being bandied about. Also strongmen are often scum, it's a useful ability for the scum to have.
Second, suggesting we hold off lynching zeriel, and investigate him. To me that reads as a clear attempt to get an investigation wasted.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 15, 2009 15:12:59 GMT -5
adding to the above, the second point makes even more sense as a scum move, since scum would know that zeriel had to be the bomber. If scum had managed to direct the lynch to one of the unconfirmed town yesterday, they would have gotten away with two lynches and an investigation following that plan.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 15, 2009 15:13:19 GMT -5
for on Day Eight, everything will go back as it used to be, with the original roles and sides. Like "it used to be" as in like it was in Day 1 or what? Because nothing seems like it "used to be" to me right now
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Post by sinjin on Jan 15, 2009 15:39:56 GMT -5
So Mr. Blockey you've gone from an immediate suggestion of no lynch to let's lynch sinjin today in just over an hour. It took you that long to figure out with the role changes I was no longer a strongman and therefore vunerable toDay.
Vote Mr. Blockey
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 15, 2009 15:51:26 GMT -5
Vote Sinjin
Actually I never believed you were a strongman, and even if you are I know you're a scum strongman.
My first impression on the day's description was that it was semi likely someone could just win toDay
What occurred to me after that post was that the only likely win condition which could happen toDay was that only one person got assigned scum for a day, and killing that one person would give the win to the town. Since I'm town either way I'm not worried about that happening.
(Sure someone could be a jester again, but that wouldn't steal the win, just give them an extra win)
besides even if you are a strongman, and we had lynched you, and you had survived, nowhere in there would have been any indication that you were town.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 16:15:18 GMT -5
But the roles haven't changed. We still have the same 25 roles floating around toDay as we did Night 0. This isn't clear to me, see my above question. You're right. I was reading more into it than Idle actually said. While I doubt he'd throw a new role in, he didn't explicitly say anywhere that he didn't. Regardless, I don't think it really changes toDay's strategy much. I still think we either no-lynch and burn our half-mislynch or lynch one of you, sinjin, or blockey. And this raises one more question: [ color=Green]So if someone who changed alignments for this cycle dies, are they stuck with their new win condition upon death? (You imply that this isn't the case with the whole player dies, but not role, and toMorrow everyone reverts back, but it's not explicitly mentioned[/color][/b]
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 16:16:53 GMT -5
If anyone thinks they understands what happens to the pre-castle role and/or the pre-castle player if said player is lynched to day...please elaborate in case we don't get Idle back until he wakes up at 9pm tonight.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 15, 2009 16:17:13 GMT -5
Take 2:
So if someone who changed alignments for this cycle dies, are they stuck with their new win condition upon death? (You imply that this isn't the case with the whole player dies, but not role, and toMorrow everyone reverts back, but it's not explicitly mentioned
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 15, 2009 16:18:55 GMT -5
I guess that rules both Hoopy and I from taking a stab at my question.
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Post by sinjin on Jan 15, 2009 16:37:42 GMT -5
I think what it means is that if we lynch the person who happens to be the Investigator (Hoopy's role) toDay. Hoopy will still be the Investigator tomorrow. The person dies not the role.
I have no idea how Idle plans to handle the win conditions but if you win or lose with anyone but your original team I think it would suck.
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