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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 16:48:47 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 16:48:47 GMT -5
Paul (6*) – FCOD, BillMc, bufftabby, KidV, Almost Human, Pede Scribe MoodyMitchy (6) - Penalty Vote Pede (4) - Mitey Mouse, Paul, Chucara, Nanook FCoD (3) - MoodyMitchy, Shaggy, Cap'n Pinkie *Note, Paul was up to 7 votes at one point. So tie breaks in favor of him being lynched, if he drops down to 5 and gets voted again the tie will favor Moody. I noticed that this sort of thing isn't 100% clear in the rules. I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong?
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 16:54:30 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 16:54:30 GMT -5
I'm collecting my thoughts after reading, but I want to weigh in on the vote leaders. Since both Paul and Moody have claimed the same role, but (bizarrely) neither are voting for the other; this tends to cast doubt on the claims. As has been pointed out, a vanilla Townsperson knows their alignment; in a faceoff between them and another player claiming vanilla Town for the honour of dancing the hemp fandango, the true Townsperson votes for themselves; they don't give up. There is a possibility that one of the claimants is claiming vanilla rather than admit to being a power role. This is shortsighted, because then that player knows they are throwing away a role that could do something for the Town in exchange for a Townie vote (which they also provide). The later they leave a true claim, the greater the risk of enough Townspeople disbelieving them and executing them anyway. If asked which of Paul or Moody seem scummi er, I'd have to say Paul. Moody strikes me as genuinely inexperienced and perhaps not realising the best course of action. He's also in this position because of a huge number of penalty votes. (Aside; I like the idea of penalty votes, but six may have been too many. If I ever mod, I'm considering a smaller number of perpetual votes - votes that remain with the player as long as they are in the game.) Consequently, of the choice remains between Paul and Moody, I'll vote for Paul. However, I want to read again, and make notes, before voting. We still have some 26½ hours. Just because we have the most votes doesn't mean those are your choices... you do know that you can vote for whomever you like right? The only reason I have to restrict my vote, is because if I don't vote for someone likely to be scum that is close enough in the votes to put them in the lead then I get lynched and town mislynches. As far as your idea of perpetual votes, it won't work in end game. What happens if you give say 3 perpetual penalty votes? When it gets down to 6 people that person is auto lynched if you have a hammer mechanism.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 16:57:27 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 15, 2009 16:57:27 GMT -5
Paul (6*) – FCOD, BillMc, bufftabby, KidV, Almost Human, Pede Scribe MoodyMitchy (6) - Penalty Vote Pede (4) - Mitey Mouse, Paul, Chucara, Nanook FCoD (3) - MoodyMitchy, Shaggy, Cap'n Pinkie *Note, Paul was up to 7 votes at one point. So tie breaks in favor of him being lynched, if he drops down to 5 and gets voted again the tie will favor Moody. I noticed that this sort of thing isn't 100% clear in the rules. I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong? I think you would be right... You voted Moody #166 making giving him 7 votes - but it's the Mods that get to say what's going on...
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:04:19 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:04:19 GMT -5
I'm collecting my thoughts after reading, but I want to weigh in on the vote leaders. Since both Paul and Moody have claimed the same role, but (bizarrely) neither are voting for the other; this tends to cast doubt on the claims. As has been pointed out, a vanilla Townsperson knows their alignment; in a faceoff between them and another player claiming vanilla Town for the honour of dancing the hemp fandango, the true Townsperson votes for themselves; they don't give up. There is a possibility that one of the claimants is claiming vanilla rather than admit to being a power role. This is shortsighted, because then that player knows they are throwing away a role that could do something for the Town in exchange for a Townie vote (which they also provide). The later they leave a true claim, the greater the risk of enough Townspeople disbelieving them and executing them anyway. If asked which of Paul or Moody seem scummi er, I'd have to say Paul. Moody strikes me as genuinely inexperienced and perhaps not realising the best course of action. He's also in this position because of a huge number of penalty votes. (Aside; I like the idea of penalty votes, but six may have been too many. If I ever mod, I'm considering a smaller number of perpetual votes - votes that remain with the player as long as they are in the game.) Consequently, of the choice remains between Paul and Moody, I'll vote for Paul. However, I want to read again, and make notes, before voting. We still have some 26½ hours. If you have a re read you will see that I did say that I was thinking of going for the save my own ass option... a couple of posts later Paul voted for me. As a change of vote by me to him would not have made any real difference (and also not thinking he is scum) I left mine where it was. Later on for whatever reason, Paul changed his vote again and took it away from me. Why he did this I have no idea. So one of us has already gone to vote against the other but for some reason they changed their mind. I am inexperienced but I did make the mistake so will accept my fate if it comes to it. I'm now trying to re read to see why Pede seems to be getting peoples vote. Maybe I'm missing something but hopefully that'll come as I play more. Two things Moody, one I voted for you in the post exactly after the post that you mention contemplating voting for me. However, I was already typing the reply when your post hit. It was only 3 minutes between your post and mine. Second, I changed my mind about voting you because you are only at the same lvl of votes as me for making a mistake. I on the other hand have made some bad plays this game and said things that I can understand others find scummy. I felt bad about the idea of you being lynched on Day 2 in your first game for nothing more than making an edit. Besides that, seeing how fast the bandwagon was on me toDay, I can't imagine they wouldn't lynch me tomorrow if I survive toDay.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:05:45 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:05:45 GMT -5
I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong? I think you would be right... You voted Moody #166 making giving him 7 votes - but it's the Mods that get to say what's going on... No I figured it out.. I voted Moody and then someone else voted me... I unvoted before that other person. So at that point I had 7 votes and Moody had 6. So when the other person moved their vote it made it 6-6 but I had been at 7 last.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:08:12 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:08:12 GMT -5
Went back and checked... the other person was Chucara
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:09:17 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Apr 15, 2009 17:09:17 GMT -5
I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong? I think you would be right... You voted Moody #166 making giving him 7 votes - but it's the Mods that get to say what's going on... I also posted saying Paul voted for me then changed his mind... But I kept quite about when it happened ... but it DID happen . If I now say that that should mean that I got more votes first... it makes Paul and I look bad again for queuing up for the martyrdom lynch And yes I'd like to see the Capt post more than fluff.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:13:31 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 15, 2009 17:13:31 GMT -5
Are you making a joke or is this the acual reason why you voted FCOD? It was a joke on his joke ;D It's a joke - and with 24 hours before Day ends you leave a joke-vote on a guy with 3 votes? When the leading candidates have 6 and the rest with votes are FCoD (3) and Pede (3)?
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:13:38 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Apr 15, 2009 17:13:38 GMT -5
I know fully where you are coming from Paul.... if they were that quick to jump on you today and you've not managed to convince them otherwise so far.... then if you do survive today .. would you have any chance tomorrow?
Damn I could curse BillMc for getting me into this ;D
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:25:53 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2009 17:25:53 GMT -5
Paul (6*) – FCOD, BillMc, bufftabby, KidV, Almost Human, Pede Scribe MoodyMitchy (6) - Penalty Vote Pede (4) - Mitey Mouse, Paul, Chucara, Nanook FCoD (3) - MoodyMitchy, Shaggy, Cap'n Pinkie *Note, Paul was up to 7 votes at one point. So tie breaks in favor of him being lynched, if he drops down to 5 and gets voted again the tie will favor Moody. I noticed that this sort of thing isn't 100% clear in the rules. I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong? After that Chucara voted you and then moved the vote away. EBIC: I see I was too slow on this one. Told you I was busy today.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:29:13 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:29:13 GMT -5
Paul (6*) – FCOD, BillMc, bufftabby, KidV, Almost Human, Pede Scribe MoodyMitchy (6) - Penalty Vote Pede (4) - Mitey Mouse, Paul, Chucara, Nanook FCoD (3) - MoodyMitchy, Shaggy, Cap'n Pinkie *Note, Paul was up to 7 votes at one point. So tie breaks in favor of him being lynched, if he drops down to 5 and gets voted again the tie will favor Moody. I noticed that this sort of thing isn't 100% clear in the rules. Looking at the people voting for me... FCOD has been around but not really participating, he pretty much came in to the Day, voted me, and then proceeded to fluff and joke the rest of the Day BILL has been participating so I got no problem with him. BUFF has come in only to vote for me and say she thinks TL and I are scum... then again to restate that thought. KidV has been participating... no problem there. AH came in, restated the reason she voted me yesterDay, and then voted for me again. Next time we see her she admit to not having reread yet, but very lightly recaps the case against Pedescribe in an over simplified manner. Pedescribe hasn't been in since people started voting him. Seems like the people voting for me don't like to participate and even those that are here haven't done much of anything to find someone else they think is scum to take full advantage of the day.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:29:49 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:29:49 GMT -5
I could be wrong here.... but I thought Moody was the one that reached 7... because I voted him and then moved my vote. Is that wrong? After that Chucara voted you and then moved the vote away. EBIC: I see I was too slow on this one. Told you I was busy today. No worries NAF
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:36:53 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 15, 2009 17:36:53 GMT -5
Just because we have the most votes doesn't mean those are your choices... you do know that you can vote for whomever you like right? The only reason I have to restrict my vote, is because if I don't vote for someone likely to be scum that is close enough in the votes to put them in the lead then I get lynched and town mislynches. Surprisingly enpough, I am aware of that. Or did you miss the last paragraph? Here it is again : Consequently, if the choice remains between Paul and Moody, I'll vote for Paul. However, I want to read again, and make notes, before voting. We still have some 26½ hours. (Bolding for emphasis.) As far as your idea of perpetual votes, it won't work in end game. What happens if you give say 3 perpetual penalty votes? When it gets down to 6 people that person is auto lynched if you have a hammer mechanism. That's part of the penalty. They get to play, but with the problem hanging over them. Make them sweat a bit. The number of penalty votes is still undecided.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:41:40 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:41:40 GMT -5
MHaye... all you did was restate your comment that said the choice was between me and Moody. Yes you say that you are going to go back and reread and make notes, but still you make it sound like you are going to vote for one of us unless someone else gets close enough to lynch. Why? Why would you limit your vote just because we are the people likely to get lynched? You are free to vote whomever you think is scummiest, and you (and many others) seem to think that you have to vote for one of the leaders.
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Apr 15, 2009 17:45:37 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 15, 2009 17:45:37 GMT -5
You're not reading it.
If the choice remains between you and Moody.
I did not say that I would only vote for you or Moody; I said that out of you and Moody I think you're more likely to be scum, but that I wanted to look for a better candidate.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 17:51:26 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 17:51:26 GMT -5
I am reading it. It's an IF that applies to a choice that doesn't apply to you.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 18:08:25 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 15, 2009 18:08:25 GMT -5
How do I not have to consider the possibility that there will be only two plausible lynch candidates at the end of the Day, and I have no great feeliing that either are scummy? Perhaps you should read Day 1 of Skrull Planet, where I found myself in the same position. It's happened before, and may well happen again.
Once having considered the possibility, I considered what to do in the event of the game being in that state in just under 25 hours time. Hence the "if."
I haven't got far with the third reading, but I do have to say that I wonder what game Captain Pinkies is playing. He seems to be posting but not participating; I counted one post with game content out of eight, and that an offhand observation on Paul and Moody.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 18:39:50 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 15, 2009 18:39:50 GMT -5
You don't have to consider that possibility because one of us is likely to be lynched at the end of the day with or without your vote. You have already made it clear that you don't think either of us are scum, so wouldn't your vote be better placed on someone that you do think is scum? Placing your vote on one of us because we are the only plausible lynch candidates doesn't tell the town anything about who you really find scummy.
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Day Two
Apr 15, 2009 22:33:14 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 15, 2009 22:33:14 GMT -5
Sorry to go MIA again. I'll get a vote before the end of the day, hopefully with enough time for it to be analyzed. I have to say though, based on nothing other than looking at vote totals, I'm tempted to vote Moody. The fact that no one is trying to get Moody lynched despite the ease in which it could be done, give me pause.
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 2:08:17 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 16, 2009 2:08:17 GMT -5
So Ulla is Total Lost? Can we cut the fluff a LITTLE? Please? I know it's a slow day, but this type of stuff doesn't help. If you need to know who-is-who ED made this: www.totalmafia.dkAlso I just wanted to ask: Was the remark on fluff intended just for me? Or did you just put it in with your question regarding my name?
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 9:13:10 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Apr 16, 2009 9:13:10 GMT -5
I do not like that one of the people tied for the lead here has no other votes other than a mod penalty. He is an inexperienced player that did something that violates the rules and needed a penalty but, he is now in the lead with nothing more than his penalty votes. Do we collectively, believe that Mitchy is Scum? To risk looking like I'm cuddling with him, I propose that we get him out of that dangerous position as, I don't believe that we will gain anything by his lynch. Those votes were not placed by players and won't tell us anything at the end of the Day.
I'm really not sure what to do here as, I'm not sure that Paul is the best option either. Let me do some rereading and perhaps we can find a better candidate!
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 9:38:37 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 16, 2009 9:38:37 GMT -5
I do not like that one of the people tied for the lead here has no other votes other than a mod penalty. He is an inexperienced player that did something that violates the rules and needed a penalty but, he is now in the lead with nothing more than his penalty votes. Do we collectively, believe that Mitchy is Scum? To risk looking like I'm cuddling with him, I propose that we get him out of that dangerous position as, I don't believe that we will gain anything by his lynch. Those votes were not placed by players and won't tell us anything at the end of the Day. I'm really not sure what to do here as, I'm not sure that Paul is the best option either. Let me do some rereading and perhaps we can find a better candidate! Well if your goal is to prevent either of us being lynched because you believe both of us, then the only way that is gonna happen is a pedescribe lynch at this point. He's the only one even remotely close in the votes, and this late in the day there's not gonna be enough people around to vote even if you do find someone else that is extremely scummy.
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 9:48:03 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Apr 16, 2009 9:48:03 GMT -5
My goal isn't to prevent either of you being lynched Paul. You made your bed (and though I'm cuddling you because it's my new thing to do)...Mitchy made a newbie mistake and is in the lead because of that. He does not deserve to be there and you being there and the deservingness is debatable. We will learn something from you being lynched and Mitchy, well, not so much. I don't think you are the best candidate but, are far better than Mitchy and I'd like to get him out of the dangerous position he's in.
*cuddles with Paul*...hehehe!
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 10:34:42 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Apr 16, 2009 10:34:42 GMT -5
I do not like that one of the people tied for the lead here has no other votes other than a mod penalty. He is an inexperienced player that did something that violates the rules and needed a penalty but, he is now in the lead with nothing more than his penalty votes. Do we collectively, believe that Mitchy is Scum? To risk looking like I'm cuddling with him, I propose that we get him out of that dangerous position as, I don't believe that we will gain anything by his lynch. Those votes were not placed by players and won't tell us anything at the end of the Day. I'm really not sure what to do here as, I'm not sure that Paul is the best option either. Let me do some rereading and perhaps we can find a better candidate! Well if your goal is to prevent either of us being lynched because you believe both of us, then the only way that is gonna happen is a pedescribe lynch at this point. He's the only one even remotely close in the votes, and this late in the day there's not gonna be enough people around to vote even if you do find someone else that is extremely scummy. Don't think Paul is scum so not going to vote for him to get me off the hook. But both Paul and I are stuffed at the moment. I agree that Pedescribe is the nearest and he has already voted for Paul and visa versa... If I voted for Pedescribe then would he move his vote over in my direction. I don't know I'm not prepared to take the risk and I also still believe that who I voted for originally is scum. Plus I am still waiting for Hawkeye to cast his vote my way just because that would make it a really easy lynch. Boy that comment pinged me
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 10:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 16, 2009 10:50:30 GMT -5
Ok seriously guys. It seems that paul and moody are almost fighting over who wants to be lynched the most? Is it really just me, or does that strike anyone else as something scum wouldn't do*? *yes, I know.. scum don't always do what scum would do I think scum would do that, simply because that's what town typically does, and hey, one of them's basically dead already, so might as well try everything you can to make sure it's not you.
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 13:19:21 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 16, 2009 13:19:21 GMT -5
I do not like that one of the people tied for the lead here has no other votes other than a mod penalty. He is an inexperienced player that did something that violates the rules and needed a penalty but, he is now in the lead with nothing more than his penalty votes. Do we collectively, believe that Mitchy is Scum? To risk looking like I'm cuddling with him, I propose that we get him out of that dangerous position as, I don't believe that we will gain anything by his lynch. Those votes were not placed by players and won't tell us anything at the end of the Day. This game isn't about fairness. This game is about finding scum. We must look at all actions, and determine which were probably made by scum, and which were probably not. We also must look at the absence of evidence. Where we would expect an action to occur that hasn't. Moody is an easy lynch for scum. Without any votes, Moody is still on the chopping block. So the question is why didn't the scum make any effort to get Moody lynched? It isn't too difficult to manufacture enough evidence to justify a vote. Possibilities include: 1. Moody is scum. 2. Paul is also town. 3. Scum want to avoid the appearance of voting for a townie. I'm not saying that Paul's behavior is less scummy than Moody's. I'm saying that based on the behavior of everyone else, I find it highly unlikely that Paul is scum and Moody isn't. The more I've played and watched the less confident on the effectiveness of finding slips. Slips are just screw-ups, and scum aren't really any more likely to make them than town. I think we are better off looking at the big picture, and trying to think like scum. Vote Moody
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 13:33:49 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Apr 16, 2009 13:33:49 GMT -5
See the thing is, to my mind, Moody is a bad vote for scum(assuming of course that he is Town for the purposes of this argument). The penalty votes make him too obvious a target, and if he ends up lynched and Town, anyone voting for him will be looked at very closely because it's an easy lynch target for scum.
Right now, that's just you Hawk. Of course, it doesn't matter unless and until Moody ends up dead(via lynch or NK) and comes up Town.
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 13:38:40 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Apr 16, 2009 13:38:40 GMT -5
I forgot something.
Hawk, are you voting for Moody because you actually think he's scum? If so, could you provide some evidence/thoughts to back it up.
Or are you voting for Moody because you don't think Paul's slip actually was one? If this is the case, do you think Paul is Town or are you just not willing to vote for him for a slip?
You seem to imply that you think he's scum because no one is voting for him. But I disagree with this line of thought as outlined in the previous post. Is that the entirety of your thought process?
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Day Two
Apr 16, 2009 13:40:35 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 16, 2009 13:40:35 GMT -5
I don't think Moody is a good vote for scum.... especially not if the scum are already voting for me. It would be highly suspicious for them to jump on my bandwagon, then switch votes to Moody because they are given a different opportunity? They already had my lynch wrapped up... moving to Moody might also give them a mislynch, but whats the point when them voting for me gives them the same thing?
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Apr 16, 2009 13:42:04 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 16, 2009 13:42:04 GMT -5
3. Scum want to avoid the appearance of voting for a townie. I'm not sure I follow you correctly here. What if both were town (as has been claimed by them) - then you're saying all the (assumed) scum voting for Paul would have unvoted so they didn't end up lynching a town? And the fact that no one unvoted Paul to you would suggest that Moody could be scum and now all the (assumed) scum voting for Paul are staying quiet because if they unvote - Moody will be lynched?
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