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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 18, 2009 2:30:01 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of players are going away. Maybe we could have en extention of the Day?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 18, 2009 3:52:34 GMT -5
Yeah Pleonast, you're definitely getting lynched tomorrow if the game doesn't end with Roosh's lynch. For those possibly thinking KidV is scummy? Let's think about this. First off, Roosh is claiming to have frozen Mhaye. Mhaye, if you could please come in and vote for somebody. Anybody. Me, KidV, Pleo, sinjin, whoever, doesn't matter just demonstrate you can vote. If Mhaye's vote shows up in a vote count, hey, Roosh did not freeze Mhaye like he claimed. Thus, either Roosh tried to kill someone last night and failed (by either hitting a protected player or getting blocked by KidV) or he is what he says he is and was blocked by KidV. Sure. I'm sorry, I should have thought of doing that yesterday. Vote: BillMc . This vote is purely to demonstrate that I am able to vote, and will be removed in favour of a business vote before Dusk.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 18, 2009 9:25:49 GMT -5
Roosh (3) - Pollux, KidV, Pleonast KidV (1) - Roosh BillMc (1) - MHaye
--FCOD
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 18, 2009 11:19:32 GMT -5
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Fair enough. Groupie, if you think I've been recruited that's your call to make. I obviously disagree. I would like to think if I were scum I would have done a better job of actually LYING in my Role PM. For one changed the alignment of myself- removed that "always investigates as scum" clause, and actually you know- used it on Storyteller the night he died- same with killing IS. But if you genuinely don't believe that my gun does what it does and for some reason I made up that part- well it's kind of pointless to argue about that right now. Fair enough. And honestly- of course I'm playing like a man in his death throes. I've seen no indication from the Town that they wish to keep me alive. I know I'm an expendable lynch. So then... what exactly is my motivation to help you guys out? Hmmm? I'm dead either way, no? Unless I convince over half of you NOT to vote for me, which I find implausible.
So I will walk to the gallows with dignity and I will keep my thoughts to myself. No one really asked me my motivations, WHY I've been saying the Doctor's been recruitable, or any other helpful questions. In the word's of Johnny Snow: "What's that sound?"
If that is how you wish to treat the esteemed Doctor, then that's exactly what you'll get in return. Hell there are some really bad votes and scummy ideas floating around and no one's questioning them. Why should I be expected to do all the work for you guys now? Hmmm? That's right. Your mass claim is your only bright light so you might as well follow that passage. No need to try to look for the most likely of people who've acted like they've been recruited. No, let's just lynch the honest one instead.
A man can't choose how he's born, but he can certainly choose how to meet his death. And so I say to you- GOOD DAY and Good Riddance!
DoctorH Out.
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 18, 2009 13:52:12 GMT -5
Well, Mister, Doctor, Sir, I agree that something smells here. Oh wait, maybe it's me: So I guess I better explain what I've been doing: First Day, I drank most of err.. I mean I made sure the the buffet wasn't wasted while the Mayor was speeching and everyone was worrying about Bad Horse. Forgot to vote, but I kinda passed out drunk . Second Day, I had a hangover, but the lynch mob on Dead Bowie was fun, no? Slept in the toilet on the first floor that Night - the toilet paper here is really soft and makes for an excellent pillow! Third day was a bit boring, lynching the dead guy again. Does anybody like his music? I found the Mayor's liquor cabinet that Night though, shared some with that moving guy. He got a bit too friendly though, saying how he was hung like a horse and all. Didn't like that, oh no I didn't. So I voted him the next Day, but I guess the others hadn't seen him drunk . The fifth Day was pretty exciting with the man from the outer space called Jayne and all. Ended pretty disappointing though, I mean, he was all signing about giving us money, but I didn't see any . I would have voted him for that if I had known that before hand! That Night moving guy came up to me again, just as I was taking a dump, telling me he would make me his mare. So that ended kinda messy, so well yeah, he had that knife coming. Turns out I am a special hero, killing the big Bad Horse! That cow I dreamed about who said it was just color was probably imaginary, he was pretty sure I smelled though. So pretty miss Bait, does that answer your question or do you want to talk somewhere more private? If not, does anyone have a drink left? Some wine maybe? Any soap would be useful as well, all the toilets are out you know. Re-using the toilet paper wasn't really a bright idea .
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 18, 2009 14:42:30 GMT -5
So I will walk to the gallows with dignity and I will keep my thoughts to myself. No one really asked me my motivations, WHY I've been saying the Doctor's been recruitable, or any other helpful questions. In the word's of Johnny Snow: "What's that sound?" I'll bite (if you're still around): what's our motivation to keep you around if you claim you can basically make the Evil League Of Evil target vulnerable and you can still win with them? Should we really trust some one who calls himself Dr. Horrible? Did you ever help the homeless?! booze preferred thxIf you're really gone, I'll answer for you: we can have Johnny Snow block you. He seems to worry you a lot the way your talking. If you can win with either side, there probably is another scum around. On that note: only BillMc and Total Lost are unclaimed now - for the latter if you want to keep your power: can you deny you're a groupie?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 18, 2009 14:55:49 GMT -5
And who do you find Scummier than Pleonast, mhaye- at this point I'm going down my list of people to vote for- so sorry if raises your hackles, but that's the way the ice shatters, no? It's not a question of who I find scummier. The question I asked you, and you evaded, was this. What grounds do you have for believing that Pleonast's Lynch-kill protection has ended?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 19, 2009 12:37:37 GMT -5
I'm not going anywhere but I would appreciate an extension on the day as well. This whole Roosh, Mhaye, and KidV hoopla has me spinning a bit.
And I'm sorry Roosh, that I didn't investigate the people you wanted me to. Total was the other candidate Yesterday and I thought it might be nice to see if it was worth going after her.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 19, 2009 13:07:25 GMT -5
I really don't see a reason to extend the day when y'all haven't said anything in almost 24 hours.
--FCOD
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 19, 2009 13:31:05 GMT -5
All right, then I'll put my vote down on Roosh. If he's scum, great, if he's pfk well, I think we've got a bit of a buffer.
Vote: Roosh
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 19, 2009 14:05:07 GMT -5
On that note: only BillMc and Total Lost are unclaimed now - for the latter if you want to keep your power: can you deny you're a groupie? I think my past posts on the subject groupies would make that question redundant.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 19, 2009 14:05:56 GMT -5
I really don't see a reason to extend the day when y'all haven't said anything in almost 24 hours. --FCOD Maybe it was because people was away that they didn't post?
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 19, 2009 14:48:04 GMT -5
I don't really like the RoOsh-lynch. And I'm still trying to figure out what to make from all the claims and all the powers. If Sinjin protected Inner Stickler every Night... then when KidV says if he was scum roleblocker he could have blocked Inner Stickler and since that didn't happen - the logic is: he must be Town. That doesn't make sense to me. Also I looked at the voting records and KidV voted really strange. I know it's not some thing to use without going back and looking at the reasons - but still I just felt something was "off". And then there was this: Ok, the thing is, I'm tempted to believe him. I'm quite sure there's a large grain of truth in his claim, anyway, it rings right. Having said that, Roosh is a past-master of the false claim, if anybody is recruitable by scum it's DrH (right?), he's admitted 3rd party, and we've got wiggle room in case it's a mislynch. Vote: Roosh [/color][/quote] Why rush to lynch a PFK right after his claim? It seems like someone just really pleased to have a lynch candidate. Even though I might not have thought about every possibility regarding blocking/protecting and so on, I'm onve more going to trust my gut and Vote: KidV
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 19, 2009 14:50:31 GMT -5
Roosh (4) - Pollux, KidV, Pleonast, Inner Stickler BillMc (1) - MHaye KidV (1) - Total Lost
Society* (1) - Roosh (what a whiner)
--FCOD
* not a real vote
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 19, 2009 15:44:06 GMT -5
I think my past posts on the subject groupies would make that question redundant. Okay, okay, I'll do a search: Anyway I've already said I was suspicious of Pollux based on the fact that I see no reason to assume that Almost Human being town "confirms" him at all. I still think it would be brilliant if they were 1 Town and 1 Scum to NK the Town and use that as a way to "confirm" another groupie. So you think he could be scum, thus he could be lying about three groupies. Or he could not be. In either case you being a groupie or not, doesn't help with there. But Pollux himself was in favor of the 'third groupie must be scum' idea and since you are investigated town (and Almost Human definitely was town), knowing whether you're a groupie or not is relevant in that scenario.
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 19, 2009 15:49:26 GMT -5
If Sinjin protected Inner Stickler every Night... then when KidV says if he was scum roleblocker he could have blocked Inner Stickler and since that didn't happen - the logic is: he must be Town. That doesn't make sense to me. I hadn't thought it about it that way, though it does kind of depend in what order the actions are resolved. Assuming MHaye also protected Inner Stickler, sinjin could have gotten a protection and role blocked and also targeted by the freeze ray. A real bait she is .
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 19, 2009 15:52:07 GMT -5
And I appreciate it!
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 19, 2009 15:57:30 GMT -5
And I'm sorry Roosh, that I didn't investigate the people you wanted me to. Total was the other candidate Yesterday and I thought it might be nice to see if it was worth going after her. You really need to stop beating yourself up over this (unless your scum then go ahead, though I reckon that probability really low), especially with the godfather dead and not just one, but two (claimed) protectors out there. Investigated: sinjin, BillMc, Total Lost (3 out of 10 alive) With two protectors you gonna get at least two more investigated, and unless there are suddenly lots of kills, that group can't be killed off quick enough.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2009 16:03:42 GMT -5
Sinjin didn't wstart protecting IS until about Night 3, if I recall aright (see D07.088).
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2009 16:06:08 GMT -5
Oh IS, investigating Total last Night was a perfectly valid choice. With the level of voting she received Yesterday, she was bound to receive a great deal of the spotlight again Today. By investigating her and revealing the answer you headed off a lot of wasted argument, and enabled a useful Day.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2009 16:27:50 GMT -5
So we have ten remaining players. Since the game is still going on, there must be at least one functional ELE member still alive. Currently we have seven full claims on the table.
I propose, for the moment, to leave aside BillMc, Sinjin and Total Lost from consideration. These three have all been cleared by our claimed Investigator. With the elimination of the ELE's Godstallion (a bit better than Vince, the Dog who Knows Things, eh NAF?), we can be sure that IS was not a Townsperson fooled by the cover of the Godfather; so for any of those three to be ELE, that would require IS to be lying to us, and therefore be ELE himself.
That IS was not eliminated early on by ELE forces has a reasonable explanation; in the early game I spent my Nights protecting him. Nigh 1, according to my notes, I chose him over Zach because I was a little frustrated with Zach (I evidently thought that his question about IS's gender was imprudent), and on Night 2 I rolled a die to decide between them. I suspect that the lynch of Sister Coyote was a stroke of luck for the Town; extra Strongman kills aren't necessarily stoppable by regular Night protection. If she'd been alive the ELE might have been able to excise both investigators with a single blow, and leave us with no information.
I don't think I'm prepared to advocate lynching IS just to confirm those three investigations are accurate reports – at least not Today. That leaves us with six players. I'm not going to advocate my own lynch, because that won't help Town (assume my claim is true, and demonstrate on that assumption my death would help Town, and I'll recant that statement). So the lynch needs to come from KidVermicious, Natlaw, Pleonast, Pollux or Roosh .
There are two clear favoured candidates (to my eyes anyway) in that list; Pleonast and Roosh.
Pleo has a passive power that makes him resistant or conditionally immune to death (a power that is neutral; it prevents Townie Pleo from being killed at Night by the ELE; equally it prevents ELE Pleo being lynched by Town). So far, we've had at least four, and maybe as many as six, attempts to kill Pleonast. None of the four we know about have worked. Pleo claims to have started the game Town-aligned but believes he could be recruitable (no evidence for the latter has been adduced).
Roosh, on the other hand, claims Dr Horrible, third party vote blocker who also strips away Nightkill protections. Do I have to spell out that both parts of this claim are, intrinsically, anti-Town? The protection stripping should be obvious; if I protect (say) Inner Stickler, the Freeze Ray can nullify my action and leave IS open to be killed by the ELE. As for the vote nullification, its effect, if used indiscriminately, will (more often than not) remove the ability of a Townsperson to vote. In the late game this could become, used judiciously, a tool for Town. Used “for shits and giggles” in the early game, it aids the ELE. Roosh has, throughout this game, used his powers in ways to favour the ELE.
I did consider the possibility that the Freeze Ray's purpose was to nullify the Nightkill protection that Pleonast seems to have, rendering him vulnerable to being Nighkilled and/or lynched. This is not supported by the evidence, unfortunately. Roosh targeted Pleo on Night 2, and so did Captain Hammer. Since Pleo did not die, his Nightkill resistance was functioning under the Freeze Ray (and also, according to KidV, Johnny Frost's Ice Ray. He was voteblocked, roleblocked, tracked (by Zach) and targeted for a kill, all in the same night. It's a wonder they didn't come to blows.) Note also that we voted to lynch Pleo on Day 3, and his kill resistance was still functioning then.
Right now I have no reason to suppose that Pleo's lynch resistance isn't working. I believe (pure conjecture, with little direct evidence to support this beyond the fact that he's survived for kill attempts) that it's a conditional immunity, which ends when something happens. That something can't be the death of Bad Horse, since that would guarantee it happening. So Pleo may still be immune to killing.
Of the other three, I'm going to leave Natlaw aside. His action in swinging the lynch from Total to NAF Yesterday has earned him some Townie cred in my book. If we're still going on Day 9, then it might be time to put him under the microscope (which will give us a chance to get some clothespegs, while Natlaw shows his heroism in a battle to the death against hot soapy water).
I'm still not sure what to think about Pollux's position. His pseudo-masonry does worry me, but I think I'm more worried about the hidden third Groupie. Why have they not come forward?
Finally, there is KidV. If this claim is true, there sure are a lot of roleblocking type roles in the game. KidV, Special Ed (who was Moist, weak roleblocker) and Roosh (who blocks votes and nullifies protection actions). Too many, says my gut. KidV's is the most likely to be made up of whole cloth, since we have solid evidence for the action of Roosh's claim; however if KidV isn't a roleblocker, Roosh lied to us. On the other hand, if KidV's claim is true, then Roosh is the person we most need to lynch, to eliminate his antiTown actions.
I'm going to Vote: Roosh .
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2009 16:30:43 GMT -5
NETA
it appears that I have never unvoted Bill. I'm sure I had; it must have been an aborted post.
My apologies.
Unvote: BillMc
Vote: Roosh
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 19, 2009 16:39:54 GMT -5
I think that started the count down right? Not that it matters much. I agree with most MHaye said, so I can keep mine short.
Just another point: sinjin was blocked N3 + N5. Maybe RoOsh targeted her, but he could also have been targeting Inner Stickler (to remove the protection) but got baited by Bait.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2009 16:43:52 GMT -5
I think the countdown started with your vote, actually - there are now six on Roosh, and that was the threshold.
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 19, 2009 16:51:19 GMT -5
Whoops, thought it was half of the players alive, but you're right. Sorry :/.
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Post by sinjin on Jun 19, 2009 17:31:40 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind about KidV's claim that he would have been blocking IS every night if he was scum, and that somehow prooving that he is town. Going back to the beginning of the game:
zlw Day 2:
I didn't read the whole thread again, but at that time this was taken as evidence of a scum role block.
IS Day 3:
So he could have been blocked by a scum roleblocker on Night two and not known it.
I started Baiting IS Night 3. I questioned FCOH about what would happen if IS was blocked, NK'd, protected and baited. He said I would get the block all else would stay with IS.
I think KidV is the last ELE and Roosh is in cahoots with him. Going after each other to give the one who doesn't get lynched town cred.
Oh and for all of you who keep saying Pollux was lying about groupie #3, recall that AlmostHuman's role PM also mentioned the mysterious groupie #3.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 19, 2009 17:36:13 GMT -5
Roosh (6) - Pollux, KidV, Pleonast, Inner Stickler, MHaye, Natlaw KidV (1) - Total Lost
Countdown has started, the Day will now end at 5:39am tomorrow morning (Jun 20) Eastern. I certainly won't be awake then, so I'll post dusk when I get up in the morning.
--FCOD
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 20, 2009 10:10:29 GMT -5
No, I think I represented you fairly accurately. You may not like it, but it's what you said. You're welcome to interpret what I say how you like, but when you say "it's what you said" you are being factually incorrect when I did not say those things. In other words, please make it clear that you're interpreting my words rather than quoting them. Furthermore, if KidV was scum, and had the power he says he has, why the hell wouldn't the scum have been blocking Inner Stickler this entire time? Yeah, that's what I thought. Are you reconsidering now that sinjin has claimed to be a redirector-to-self?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 20, 2009 11:30:19 GMT -5
Dusk is up.
--FCOD
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