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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 17:50:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 6, 2010 17:50:28 GMT -5
well you are going to have to wait a durn long time for me to claim.
sure, i am going to flip town. but i also can tell you this. what i know about "recruitment" in this game will be much more dangerous to town than scum so in that regard i'll keep my lips shut (by that i mean it will help scum and third parties or "undecideds" a hellofalot more than town). apparently, i have said enought to rankle the general populace. of which, i guess there is at least one scum, probably more.
go town, good luck. because if this is as good as we have god help us.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 18:21:48 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 6, 2010 18:21:48 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT (1.06) - 6:20 PM EST
peekercpa - 3 (nphase - #30, Special Ed - #50, BillMc - #52) texcat - 2 (Inner Stickler - #28, redskeezix - #52) Special Ed - 1 (texcat - #4)
Five votes are required to lynch. I don't want to make changes to game mechanics in the middle of the Day, so Day Two will continue until someone gets five votes. We'll cross the Day Three bridge when we get to it.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 18:53:16 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 6, 2010 18:53:16 GMT -5
I spent some time yesterday compiling my thoughts on Peeker.
My suspicion of him from Yesterday remains unabated. It didn't help that he dropped the hammer on luvbwfc, but (unlike some) I tend not to read too much into self-preservation votes unless the voter also tries to hide the fact of the self-preservation vote.
I was a bit concerned that his action could have closed off some possible options, but realistically the only one he did shut off was the possibility of a vote switch. GG could still have claimed at any time up until Storyteller closed the curtains on the Day.
I wish he had done so, as that would mean we had someone else we could be sure were Town on Day 1. The lack of such a claim makes me wonder whether the Goblin planned on switching as soon as he saw luvbwfc's claim.
As for who to vote for, I'll need to stew on that.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 19:00:27 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 6, 2010 19:00:27 GMT -5
I am in no way encouraging investigators to claim, nor anyone else for that matter. I will certainly leave it up to their judgment about how and when to share their information. I was expressing my disappointment that we don't seem to be in any better shape than we were on day 1, and we are down 3 townies. We're going to eventually have to lynch someone, but I am not sure how when there is so little activity.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 19:50:17 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 6, 2010 19:50:17 GMT -5
So it looks like peeker is two short of a hammer, and looking to claim.
I started the Day thinking I'd probably end up voting for either Ed or peeker, based on the end of yesterDay. I think Ed did a better job of explaining his reasoning than peeker did. peeker's threat to not claim before death based on what he knows about recruitment doesn't scare me at all. I'll likely know what he knows by dawn, and will determine then whether or not it's really something that needs to remain hidden.
Vote: peeker
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 20:09:21 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 6, 2010 20:09:21 GMT -5
go town, good luck. because if this is as good as we have god help us. What an unhelpful thing to say. If all you're going to do is sit there and complain that the rest of us aren't playing at your 'level' of skill then the game's not fun any more. You're at 4 votes and a lot of people think you're scummy. Help us out instead of bitching at us.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 21:42:32 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 6, 2010 21:42:32 GMT -5
go town, good luck. because if this is as good as we have god help us. What an unhelpful thing to say. If all you're going to do is sit there and complain that the rest of us aren't playing at your 'level' of skill then the game's not fun any more. You're at 4 votes and a lot of people think you're scummy. Help us out instead of bitching at us. well since you kind of asked kind of nice. here you go. Welcome to the game; you are Bullseye REAL NAME: Only Your Mama Knows For Sure, And You Killed Your Mama YOU LOOK LIKE THIS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bullseye5.jpgALIGNMENT: NONE GENERIC: Special WIN CONDITION: Well, that's for you to decide. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BACKGROUND: There are so many ways to kill people. Fire, ice, explosions, bullets, rocks, elaborate superpowers... all entertaining in their own various ways. But you've always felt that throwing very sharp things at people is an under-rated art. Simple, elegant, no need for expensive equipment; all you require is something very sharp, which man and nature, in their infinite wisdom, provide in true abundance. Your background doesn't really matter. When you were a young man, you worked your way up through the major league baseball minor leagues, and pitched a no-hitter through eight and two thirds in your major league debut. Suddenly feeling a profound sense of ennui, you asked to be removed from the game. When the opposing batter mocked you for your "cowardice," you threw the ball at his head and killed him. And so the door closed on your time in professional baseball, leaving only darts or assassination as potential career paths. Darts doesn't pay very well. You are one of the most dangerous men alive. In your hands, any object - from knives and shuriken to bottles, pencils, or even cotton balls - becomes a lethal projectile. You have nearly superhuman aim, tremendous arm strength, incredible reflexes, and a sixth sense for weak spots in the human anatomy. You're not sure why you came to Ryker's Island, exactly. Just seemed like an interesting place to be. Maybe you could find someone interesting to kill. But then the outside world disappeared and you found yourself in the midst of a conflict in which you had precious little interest. You're obviously not going to register yourself, of course, but on the other hand you certainly wouldn't mind forcing a few of the so-called "heroes" who have balked you over the years to reveal their identities. Mostly, you just want to be on the winning side. So, for now, you're noncomittal. Eventually, you'll have to pick a team. And you'll earn your spot on the team in the old-fashioned way: by killing someone on the team to create an opening. So. Choose a target. Ready... aim... ABILITIES/POWERS: 1. Once per game, by Night, you may execute a single Kill against any player other than yourself. This kill cannot be blocked, protected against, or redirected. If the player you are trying to kill is targeted by someone else, it won't matter - you'll get there first. If your target has special resistances, they are irrelevant. Even if you yourself are killed, your target will die first. You're just that fast. Once you have killed someone, you will assume their alignment. If you kill a member of the Pro-Registration Group, you will become a vanilla Townie. If you kill an Anti-Registraton player, you will become vanilla Scum. If you kill someone who is neither Scum nor Town... ah, but who's to say such things even exist? PLEASE NOTE: You cannot win the game unless and until you choose a side. If you die before your kill has been executed, you will lose the game. so i killed kat. fuck didn't know that she was an investigator. just thought i'd shoot blind. fuck i was really hoping to be scum. but shit now i am vanilla town. and anyone that wants to lynch me for play, meh. but at least know you are lynching town.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 21:44:14 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 6, 2010 21:44:14 GMT -5
oh, and anyone that wants to kill a town, please lynch them immediately. if you think that i could come up with that shit then you are more full of it than i am. lynch them immediately as well. or at least in the order that they vote my worthless ass.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 22:12:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 6, 2010 22:12:09 GMT -5
so, yeh.
unvote
vote nphase
she's obviously got a non town agenda going on. don't mean scum. but could mean another one of me out there.
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 22:15:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 6, 2010 22:15:26 GMT -5
so, yeh. unvotevote nphaseshe's obviously got a non town agenda going on. don't mean scum. but could mean another one of me out there. how is it obvious?
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Day Two
Jan 6, 2010 23:54:23 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 6, 2010 23:54:23 GMT -5
well you are going to have to wait a durn long time for me to claim. sure, i am going to flip town. but i also can tell you this. what i know about "recruitment" in this game will be much more dangerous to town than scum so in that regard i'll keep my lips shut (by that i mean it will help scum and third parties or "undecideds" a hellofalot more than town). apparently, i have said enought to rankle the general populace. of which, i guess there is at least one scum, probably more. go town, good luck. because if this is as good as we have god help us. I guess we waited a durn long time. What is it about your claim do you think helps non-townies so much?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 7, 2010 7:38:12 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT (1.07) - 7:40 AM EST
peekercpa - 4 (nphase - #30, Special Ed - #50, BillMc - #52, drainbead - #64) texcat - 2 (Inner Stickler - #28, redskeezix - #52) Special Ed - 1 (texcat - #4) nphase - 1 (peekercpa - #68)
Peeker on the verge. One more vote for peeker ends the Day immediately.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 11:04:28 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jan 7, 2010 11:04:28 GMT -5
unvote: peeker[/color]
It deserves some discussion, not just the whim of one person to end it.
I really, really hate the bullying, peeker, and I'm having a really hard time getting past that to evaluate this objectively.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 12:25:50 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 7, 2010 12:25:50 GMT -5
not only the bullying but the constant flip-flopping. First on the luvbwfc is Town, and then lynching them...and now with the you'll wait a long durn time for me to claim, and then claiming 6 posts and 4 hours later. Granted the role PM looks very story-ish, but it could easily have been tweaked. I've copied peeker's claim here. I've bolded the section that seems written by story to indicated that he's anti-registration. *granted the following sentence does support a 3rd party stance) I've also underlined the parts that could have been added to tweak his role if he were truly Scum and just had an extra kill. Addtionally, I believe in Evil Dead, storyteller provided the Scum with several cover roles. I wouldn't be surprised if he did this again. Welcome to the game; you are Bullseye REAL NAME: Only Your Mama Knows For Sure, And You Killed Your Mama YOU LOOK LIKE THIS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bullseye5.jpgALIGNMENT: NONE GENERIC: Special WIN CONDITION: Well, that's for you to decide. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BACKGROUND: There are so many ways to kill people. Fire, ice, explosions, bullets, rocks, elaborate superpowers... all entertaining in their own various ways. But you've always felt that throwing very sharp things at people is an under-rated art. Simple, elegant, no need for expensive equipment; all you require is something very sharp, which man and nature, in their infinite wisdom, provide in true abundance. Your background doesn't really matter. When you were a young man, you worked your way up through the major league baseball minor leagues, and pitched a no-hitter through eight and two thirds in your major league debut. Suddenly feeling a profound sense of ennui, you asked to be removed from the game. When the opposing batter mocked you for your "cowardice," you threw the ball at his head and killed him. And so the door closed on your time in professional baseball, leaving only darts or assassination as potential career paths. Darts doesn't pay very well. You are one of the most dangerous men alive. In your hands, any object - from knives and shuriken to bottles, pencils, or even cotton balls - becomes a lethal projectile. You have nearly superhuman aim, tremendous arm strength, incredible reflexes, and a sixth sense for weak spots in the human anatomy. You're not sure why you came to Ryker's Island, exactly. Just seemed like an interesting place to be. Maybe you could find someone interesting to kill. But then the outside world disappeared and you found yourself in the midst of a conflict in which you had precious little interest. You're obviously not going to register yourself, of course, but on the other hand you certainly wouldn't mind forcing a few of the so-called "heroes" who have balked you over the years to reveal their identities. Mostly, you just want to be on the winning side. So, for now, you're noncomittal. Eventually, you'll have to pick a team. And you'll earn your spot on the team in the old-fashioned way: by killing someone on the team to create an opening.
So. Choose a target. Ready... aim... ABILITIES/POWERS: 1. Once per game, by Night, you may execute a single Kill against any player other than yourself. This kill cannot be blocked, protected against, or redirected. If the player you are trying to kill is targeted by someone else, it won't matter - you'll get there first. If your target has special resistances, they are irrelevant. Even if you yourself are killed, your target will die first. You're just that fast. Once you have killed someone, you will assume their alignment. If you kill a member of the Pro-Registration Group, you will become a vanilla Townie. If you kill an Anti-Registraton player, you will become vanilla Scum. If you kill someone who is neither Scum nor Town... ah, but who's to say such things even exist?
PLEASE NOTE: You cannot win the game unless and until you choose a side. If you die before your kill has been executed, you will lose the game.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 13:50:00 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jan 7, 2010 13:50:00 GMT -5
Checking back in.
I'm fine with the Peeker bandwagon. Peeker's Day 1 behavior, particularly the hammer vote, was blatantly scummy.
Peeker might be being truthful, but scummy behavior needs to be punished, else it gives scum immunity to do whatever they want.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 14:23:27 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jan 7, 2010 14:23:27 GMT -5
I'll admit that peeker's sudden chance to the hammer fits his claim (if lynched without kill would have been guaranteed loss for him, so he hammered before the lynch switched to him). The claim is somewhat testable if we only have one kill next Night, but that requires a lot of assumptions (no blocks, extra kills, an possible SK peeker having a mandatory kill, etc). Also as scum he could have killed Kat! which would support his current claim in case of a tracker and avoid a counter claim by a real killer of her.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 14:36:56 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 7, 2010 14:36:56 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed is that if the claim is true, we probably have a redirect of some sort in the game.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 15:54:23 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 7, 2010 15:54:23 GMT -5
Addtionally, I believe in Evil Dead, storyteller provided the Scum with several cover roles. I wouldn't be surprised if he did this again. Yes, he did. We had three or four "cover" roles, only one of which got used in the end. There was the Hillbilly, the Girl with Glasses and one or two more. Story provided these so that players would not live or die on their ability to copy his writing style. I expect (since quoting PMs is allowed) that he has done the same in this game.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 17:38:22 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 17:38:22 GMT -5
Checking back in. I'm fine with the Peeker bandwagon. Peeker's Day 1 behavior, particularly the hammer vote, was blatantly scummy. Peeker might be being truthful, but scummy behavior needs to be punished, else it gives scum immunity to do whatever they want. well you can characterize in any way you see fit but it was not scummy. crappy maybe, but not scummy.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 17:50:11 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 17:50:11 GMT -5
I'll admit that peeker's sudden chance to the hammer fits his claim (if lynched without kill would have been guaranteed loss for him, so he hammered before the lynch switched to him). The claim is somewhat testable if we only have one kill next Night, but that requires a lot of assumptions (no blocks, extra kills, an possible SK peeker having a mandatory kill, etc). Also as scum he could have killed Kat! which would support his current claim in case of a tracker and avoid a counter claim by a real killer of her. ding ding ding, we have a winner. i figured i just kind of low profile it and do some me too and some fishing accusations while tossing in a ltl as well. pretty innocuous stuff for me. just wanted to slide through the day without getting lynched. but shit that seemed to blow up in my face. i guess i just don't know how to play third party worth a shit. then ed and mhaye show up and are expressing suspicion of luv. cool, i may slide through this after all. but then voila they need some more time to think about it. so i thought what, the fuck this is as close as i will probably get to being able to side up. so i took the shot. at least now i am aligned and have a chance to win. of course the fact that we ended up lynching town and i killed the fucking detective means that i handicapped the side that i am on. oh well, can't be changed now. so if you want to lynch me for crappy Day one play or for killing a town detective or for just being an emasculated townie from here on out i can be down with that decision. and when i said tricksy about story i mean it. sure he could have provided cover roles to certain teams. and ed while i appreciate the fact that you can read some stuff in there you give me too much credit to come up with it. but i seriously doubt that a third party cover role would be the one that would be provided to a scummer. and sorry nphase but i don't think the number of kills tonight will do squat to confirm me. you either believe the pm i posted or you don't. if you do then lynching me would be folly. or if you don't believe or you feel that my play rises to the level of crappiness to lynch me anyways then go for it. i like this board the best and always play my worst games on it.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 17:52:26 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 17:52:26 GMT -5
and this will probably be fruitless but ....
mod question: were cover roles provided to any sides or individuals in this game?
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 17:56:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 17:56:35 GMT -5
oh, and one last thing. i apologize for being petulant the other day. thanks is for making me aware of the dickishness of that avenue. i am town and need to give the rest of town the best information they can get to pull this one out.
and same to you nphase. my vote on you was more frustration than anything. so....
unovte nphase
i still think that scum are taking advantage of this to get an easy town lynch, however.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 18:01:05 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 18:01:05 GMT -5
oh and just one other tidbit.
i pm'ed story about what would happen if i were invesitgated.
his response:
Well, that depends on the type of investigator, doesn't it?
I'll give you a very broad answer: a standard Alignment Cop of the sort often found in Mafia, which may or may not exist in the current game, would receive a reading of "Unaligned" if they investigated you right now. If you kill Town, you will thereafter be "Town" in the eyes of any investigator; if you kill Scum, you will thereafter be "Scum."
Does that help?
end of that response.
then i asked him if i would join the scum conversations if i killed a scum.
his response:
Yes, you will if you do.
end of that response.
that's all i've got folks.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 18:07:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 18:07:10 GMT -5
Checking back in. I'm fine with the Peeker bandwagon. Peeker's Day 1 behavior, particularly the hammer vote, was blatantly scummy. Peeker might be being truthful, but scummy behavior needs to be punished, else it gives scum immunity to do whatever they want. and i'll come back to this post one last time. hawk of all people should know that shitty play does not equal scummy play especially in light of my pm. so i might be truthful but shitty (scummy) behavior needs to be punished. not the best fucking reasoning there. vote hawkmod
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 20:03:11 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 7, 2010 20:03:11 GMT -5
Oh, I don't know. It makes sense to me sort of. I know it was something that was discussed on GB with the way that some confirmed town or 3rd parties tend to play once they don't have to fear the lynch. It works better as a line of thought when we don't know a person is town. You very well could be town but you could also be scum with a funky cover role. We don't know enough yet to judge plausibility. And if we lynch someone as obviously a townie as you, it tells scum if they try to pull something similar, we will probably lynch them as well.
Now, let's get some votes on the table, this is effing ridiculous.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 20:12:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 20:12:28 GMT -5
then play your fucking gut is.
either you believe my ass or you don't. i am either confirmed one way or the fucking other.
if you think i can concoct that pm and the subsequent responses and am that good of a scum vote my ass.
if you don't think so go somewhere else.
fcs, can we make a decision.
lynch my ass or let's go scum hunting.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 20:38:03 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 7, 2010 20:38:03 GMT -5
It could very well be a cover PM written by Story. As far as I can tell, the PM seems legit. I made my decision way back in the day.
1. Merestil Haye 5. nphase 6. Hawkmod 9. Precambrian Mollusc 11. Sister Coyote 13. Pollux Oil 14. tomscud 15. Natlaw 16. Hal Briston
aren't currently voting. It's been just over a week. Please, vote for someone you think is scummy. It really shouldn't be that hard with the amount of discussion we've had to build a case for someone.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 21:51:51 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 7, 2010 21:51:51 GMT -5
but yes it is for those that are not town aligned or are still to align themselves.
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Day Two
Jan 7, 2010 21:58:59 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 7, 2010 21:58:59 GMT -5
Don't really care about their struggles unfortunately.
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Day Two
Jan 8, 2010 10:12:11 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 8, 2010 10:12:11 GMT -5
Yes, IS, I'm trying to come up with a case on someone. And I agree that there's a lot to be done to make a case.
I'm still bothered by hawkmod's statements on Day One about Tom, masons, "aggressive Town", voting not being a good source of information because voting records rarely result in a lynch, and the fact that he first suggested we should all follow Tom's lead, and then that we should let Tom hammer, which is rather contradictory if you think about it, followed by voting Drain Bead for being inconsistent in her stances.
I'm not sure it's enough for a vote, and I should really go back and make a better case, but:
Vote: Hawkmod
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