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Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 18, 2010 12:08:13 GMT -5
E-mail, intercepted August 5
Transmission Log: Mail intercepted - 08.05.2009, 2:00 GMT Status - Undelivered From - Benjamin Urich (bu2487@att.net) To - J. Jonah Jameson (jj@bugle.com) Attachments: img43861.jpg; img43866.jpg; img43888
JJ -
Well.
This one is going to be interesting; especially for you. Take a look at the attached photos. I’m guessing you recognize the outfit, right? Wild story. Everybody’s been talking at night, in between looking over their shoulders for Rogers and the Boogeyman Squad, and last night this guy – who hadn’t had much to say for quite a while – starts talking a lot. Seemed like he was trying to shake things up, change the way Team Stark was approaching things.
Looks like Team Rogers was happy with the status quo, though, because that’s our would-be savior, on the ground for good, and wearing your very favorite clown suit of all. His neck was broken, according to the prison doc they’ve commandeered into service for this crap. Ready for the kicker? Check out the second image. That’s the face of the guy under the mask. Look familiar?
Total Lost, AKA Spider-Man, who was Pro-Town (Investigative), has been squashed.
But that’s not the whole story. They found another body ten feet away. Well, “body” might not be a fair word for it. “Pieces of a body” is a better description. Stark has a full team out looking for the head and left foot, but it’s sort of academic. All they needed to identify the second corpse was the thing they found with it. Check out the third attached image. Yeah: that’s a shield.
Steve Rogers is dead. I don’t think the resistance is going to go quite as quietly.
Hal Briston, AKA Captain America, who was Pro-SCUM (Other), is officially retired from active duty.
Urich
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Day Four begins here.
The vote threshold has been set at 46%, which means it will require six votes to complete a lynch. The Day will continue until any player receives a sixth vote; the Day ends immediately at the timestamp of the sixth vote. You may continue to discuss anything you wish thereafter if I am not around to immediately end the Day, but no votes or unvotes posted after the sixth vote will count.
As before, I reserve the right to institute a deadline of no fewer than seven days following the issuance of the deadline.
If you have a Day action, it must be PMed to the moderator before the sixth vote is placed on any player.
Good luck!
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Edited: Stupid copy-and-paste.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 18, 2010 12:35:27 GMT -5
For anyone who was confused. Captain America was pro-Scum, not pro-Town as the post originally indicated. I copied-and-pasted... poorly.
Carry on.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 18, 2010 12:45:21 GMT -5
Poor Total Lost. That didn't take long.
I take it everyone wants me to investigate Hal, right? Peeker was exactly what he claimed to be.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 18, 2010 12:57:05 GMT -5
short but sweet to be back in mafia - enjoy the rest of the game
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 18, 2010 13:20:38 GMT -5
What do we think of the idea of a mass claim? I'm not afraid of it especially since we're losing investigative powers like flies. It's a little trickier since we don't know what roles are all in play. But I think it could be helpful. (PS. Nice shooting whoever smoked Hal.)
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 13:23:51 GMT -5
Poor Total Lost. That didn't take long. I take it everyone wants me to investigate Hal, right? Peeker was exactly what he claimed to be. Hal, yes. I'd say "yay dead Scum" (and I guess I do, regardless), but I don't see him having been killed by a pro-Town role. Hawk's breadcrumb, if that's what it was, couldn't have been missed from outer space, and he said that Hal was Town.
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 13:25:41 GMT -5
IS, what's your opinion on the likelihood of Storyteller having provided thorough and workable cover roles, then?
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 13:33:10 GMT -5
Oh, and vote: Hawkmod[/color].
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 18, 2010 13:46:38 GMT -5
It is the purple isn't it? Always makes me look like a rebel. I need a more trusty name. How bout Briston, there is no way a guy with that name isn't a government stooge. nphase, I'm guessing you are talking about this quote? Which implies Hal Briston is pro-registration, but he turned up pro-scum so Hawkeyeop was lying and should be lynched? If it really is a breadcrumb, could Captain America have been a Godfather?
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 18, 2010 13:47:43 GMT -5
I'm being ping BIG time by some of you - and I'll try to see if I can to it into words soon. I've read the Days thinking that: 1. I liked the case Ed made on Nphase - smelled like PIS big time, being so sure Peeker was right 2. Drainbead making a really good point with coming back with information being valid to Town 3. Sister Coyote trying to get things going - and trying to move the game forward 4. NBC was not really giving his best shot - RL maybe - but still... very quiet In case Total Lost was an alignment investigator those could be her big pings - except there are four points with only two Night of actions (or three Day ones since she mention Day actions in the end of last Night). But I can also see Spiderman as a tracker. nphase + NBC (== Precambrian Mollusc right?) seems scummy pings, with Drainbead and Sister Coyote as town.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jan 18, 2010 15:00:24 GMT -5
Well, poop.
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 15:34:49 GMT -5
I'm being ping BIG time by some of you - and I'll try to see if I can to it into words soon. I've read the Days thinking that: 1. I liked the case Ed made on Nphase - smelled like PIS big time, being so sure Peeker was right 2. Drainbead making a really good point with coming back with information being valid to Town 3. Sister Coyote trying to get things going - and trying to move the game forward 4. NBC was not really giving his best shot - RL maybe - but still... very quiet In case Total Lost was an alignment investigator those could be her big pings - except there are four points with only two Night of actions (or three Day ones since she mention Day actions in the end of last Night). But I can also see Spiderman as a tracker. nphase + NBC (== Precambrian Mollusc right?) seems scummy pings, with Drainbead and Sister Coyote as town. I would buy Spiderman as either of those things, but that's a blatant smudge on me and PCM. Four names in 2-3 chances and you're trying to make it a breadcrumb? CA as godfather? Possibly, but what I'm seeing right now is someone who claimed someone else as town and was incorrect; and you offering an excuse rather than asking for an explanation.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 18, 2010 17:14:59 GMT -5
IS, what's your opinion on the likelihood of Storyteller having provided thorough and workable cover roles, then? Well, I don't know. Total offered it last Night and we know her suggestion was made in good faith. As bellicose as I was last night, we're not doing so hot in the finding scum area and this might be an idea that could help us out with that. And who knows, maybe there's a counterpart to drainbead who can sniff out the roles of still living people and can point out falseclaimers. Or some other mechanic. Mass claiming might help us or it might hurt us but we're not winning this game at the moment.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 18, 2010 19:36:00 GMT -5
Vote: NormalPhase
He's been pinging me all game for little stupid reasons (the main one being the argument against the Scum being provided with cover roles), but the vote toDay is stupid, stupid, stupid. Hal very well could have been Godfather...and you know what? I'll find out at Dusk, and you'll know first thing in the Night thread. If he was, your vote and pointing it out potentially outed yet another investigative role, and if he wasn't, then we have a solid answer and can go gunning for Hawkmod first thing in the morning. I'm out, you have my results...can we maybe consider using them before we go all half-cocked?
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Post by tomscud on Jan 18, 2010 20:31:23 GMT -5
Tired as hell tonight and not thinking clearly; will try to figure out some time when I'm NOT brain-dead to do a reread of Total and Hal (and others); my brief glance at Hal didn't give me much to work with.
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 21:29:58 GMT -5
[/color] He's been pinging me all game for little stupid reasons (the main one being the argument against the Scum being provided with cover roles), but the vote toDay is stupid, stupid, stupid. Hal very well could have been Godfather...and you know what? I'll find out at Dusk, and you'll know first thing in the Night thread. If he was, your vote and pointing it out potentially outed yet another investigative role, and if he wasn't, then we have a solid answer and can go gunning for Hawkmod first thing in the morning. I'm out, you have my results...can we maybe consider using them before we go all half-cocked?[/quote] Me pointing it out? When peeker practically wrote it in neon lights in the night thread, as if what Hawk himself wrote wasn't enough? You honestly think I was telling Scum anything they didn't already know, even if Hawk is on the up and up? And I'm supposed to have PIS on cover roles, but a godfather not occurring to me is also bad? I'll give you this; I absolutely haven't been myself in this game ever since the extended Christmas break. And no, that's not supposed to be a breadcrumb of an alignment change or anything weird. I was just on the edge of burned-out already, and the break about did me in. unvote: Hawkmod[/color] I didn't connect godfather and coroner after the former was brought up.
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Post by Renata on Jan 18, 2010 21:30:44 GMT -5
And Drain, for about the 20th time, I'm female.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 19, 2010 6:53:14 GMT -5
Some fucking day I will fucking remember that. Fuck.
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Post by BillMc on Jan 19, 2010 9:02:26 GMT -5
Damn, that was short and sweet Total.
But excellent that we have a dead scum. The choice of Hal as a target seems strange - I had read Hawk's comment/breadcrumb as indicating he believed Hal was town -- so why would a pro-town player target Hal? So this kinda suggests that we do have PFK (would the GG now be considered PFK with luv gone?-- or it could have been some sort of delayed kill on Hal which was already in motion before Hawk's breadcrumb.
Given Hawk's breadcrumb, I'd like to hear from him.
It has been suggested by numerous folk that Storyteller would have provided cover roles to those who needed them. So while I have no objections to a mass claim at this point, I am not sure what that will buy us - if Peeker was the only vanilla as he claimed after his kill - then we cannot follow the usual mass claim strategy of lynch the vanillas. So it would be a case of lynch folk with the least helpful powers - which scum would probably realise, so would claim useful powers - so lynch the useful powers? it would just be a big pile of wifom. At best, we would be looking to catch slipups with respect to claims
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Post by Hawkmod on Jan 19, 2010 16:55:13 GMT -5
Given Hawk's breadcrumb, I'd like to hear from him. What breadcrumb? I have no idea as to what you refer... What I find interesting is the question of who offed Hal. I don't believe it was a pro-town vig unless they had some added info. After all, why kill Hal and not me? It could be a third party killer, but again Hal would be a bit of an odd choice. Assuming you had no reason to suspect Hal as scum, why take out someone who would increase the lead of one side (usually serial killers need the sides to stay fairly even), possible target the same guy as scum, or make a hard to justify kill. Another possibility is that Hal was an independent scum or there was an independent scum who killed him in some accidental (or purposeful) scum on scum violence. Oh and of course redirectors should not be left out as a possibility Also, I was blocked last night. Most likely it means the scum wants me to stop doing whatever it is that I do, but it could be a townie who doesn't trust me as well.
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Post by tomscud on Jan 19, 2010 19:31:14 GMT -5
Given Hawk's breadcrumb, I'd like to hear from him. What breadcrumb? I have no idea as to what you refer... From Day 3: "I need a more trusty name. How bout Briston, there is no way a guy with that name isn't a government stooge."
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Post by tomscud on Jan 19, 2010 21:13:42 GMT -5
I do not like the idea of a mass claim at this point. Possibly after we see what Captain America's power was (viz if he was a recruiter - I doubt Scum would have more than one what with all the other stuff we've seen so far; there may in fact not be even one.).
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Post by tomscud on Jan 19, 2010 21:31:57 GMT -5
To elaborate: if there IS scum-directed recruitment in this game, then a full claim will give them their choice of Town roles to pick from; this is potentially much worse than a full-claim in a non-recruitment game.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Jan 19, 2010 23:30:18 GMT -5
I was going to endorse the mass claim idea based on the fact that it would allow us to get a better handle on the game. Even if they have fake role claims, non-town players would still have to name their actions and give justification for their choices, which would provide more information than we are currently generating. But then I read tom's point about how a scum directed recruitment could mix badly with the mass claim. So I think the prudent idea is to wait until we have a better read on the situation via drain, and then decide whether or not based on what information we have.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 20, 2010 2:35:33 GMT -5
Is it very wrong of me that the first thought that went through my head on reading the OP was this? Bleating and babbling we fall on his neck with a scream. Sorry Hal.On the subject of a mass claim, I'm not sure whether it's a good idea yet, but I don't think waiting to see what Hal's powers were will help. If he turns out not to have a recruiting power, the possibility of a recruiter is not thereby shown false - there might be another person with that ability. If, on the other hand, Drain does report a recruitment power, that doesn't prove it's inheritable unless the report comes with an assurance that the power died with Hal. I think, therefore, that we'll have to decide (one way or another) with that question mark about ARR recruitment still open.
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Post by BillMc on Jan 20, 2010 5:00:43 GMT -5
What breadcrumb? I have no idea as to what you refer... "I need a more trusty name. How bout Briston, there is no way a guy with that name isn't a government stooge." More of a loaf than a breadcrumb. Now, if you are saying it was not a breadcrumb, it seems a rather strange statement to make. Why would you want to give the appearance that you thought Hal was town?
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Post by BillMc on Jan 20, 2010 5:07:01 GMT -5
To elaborate: if there IS scum-directed recruitment in this game, then a full claim will give them their choice of Town roles to pick from; this is potentially much worse than a full-claim in a non-recruitment game. That is an excellent point, a mass claim could be very damaging. Given Kat's power, I would think that scum-directed recruitment is very likely; and if the scum have already managed to recruit someone, then someone will be able to put forward a perfectly legit claim, 'cept they have now changed sides.
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 20, 2010 6:42:01 GMT -5
I would buy Spiderman as either of those things, but that's a blatant smudge on me and PCM. Four names in 2-3 chances and you're trying to make it a breadcrumb? I'm considering it to be a possible breadcrumb by now known town investigate role. I was thinking the four points might fit a tracker (or watcher perhaps) who could track Day and Night (alignment investigation like that would be overpowered). Total Lost's comment that we should give more thought about Day actions would fit that. But even in that case not all point make sense (1 and 3) and there misses a investigation (3 Days + 2 Nights = 5) and no clue when each supposed investigation was. 1. nphase targeted Ed or vice versa? 2. Drainbead did target a corpse which matched her reveal? 3. Sister Coyote trying to get things going? No idea 4. NBC did not target anyone?
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 20, 2010 8:41:27 GMT -5
ToNight, I will likely investigate Total Lost, unless we nab Scum toDay. If we lynch Town, I'll take the claim as true and see what Total Lost could do, so we have a better idea of whether or not that was a breadcrumb.
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Post by BillMc on Jan 20, 2010 12:29:30 GMT -5
Being able to track/watch day and night does seem a little over powered. For a town day watcher/tracker to have value, it would then imply that non-town parties would have day actions - that's a little scary.
Also given that Total subbed in at the start of Day 3, and that Pollux was awol from the middle of Day 1, its probable that she did not have access to any prior results from Pollux.
So it's unlikely that those 4 points are all based on investigative results, if any. More likely that they are just Total's observations based on a fresh set of eyes, but definitely worth reviewing.
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