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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 8, 2012 18:40:14 GMT -5
I'm curious about that as well, given that in his own mystery mafia game, he had players broadcasting their alignments (supposedly!) at other players. What makes him so sure he's not the victim of a similar ploy?
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 8, 2012 18:41:23 GMT -5
and based on my pm i wonder if we have another mason kind of fucking thing setting up which would be extraordinarily helpful to town. This seems like nemesis. After Ragnarok I deserve this. I have to trust you to tell me we have two sets if masons in this game? And since we do, why couldn't I be on the same team as you? Now I have to trust you on this as well Anyway - I'll wait to say more before my "teambuddy" seems okay with a claim. Till then I'll go to sleep IRL and dream sweet dreams of mafia and you all
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 8, 2012 18:41:44 GMT -5
Gadarene: You said the message came from peeker via the mod, and also say that it would be too bastard if what it said wasn't true. I wouldn't personally trust a message from anyone saying "Hey, I'm town" no matter how strongly worded it was, unless it was the word of the mod. Are you able to elaborate on why you are so sure this is correct, without giving away more than you feel you should? Yes. It was literally the word of the mod, and was framed as such.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 8, 2012 18:42:10 GMT -5
and this means is that gad and i are town. now i won't post my full power here but that's the skinny. and since gad has wisely chosen not to share more than he has any town power roles can leave us off the screen. unless there is a watcher type. so dick/doc/vig/whadthfugever go elsewhere. i don't mind dying to get a free run for my power folks. and scummy scummy scummy let's go out and play. I'm not sure how it necessarily means anything to us, considering you could both be making it up. But assuming for the moment that you are town, how does this clear Gadarene? Does your 'messaging power' only work on Town?
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Post by Dirx on Mar 8, 2012 18:44:03 GMT -5
Gadarene: You said the message came from peeker via the mod, and also say that it would be too bastard if what it said wasn't true. I wouldn't personally trust a message from anyone saying "Hey, I'm town" no matter how strongly worded it was, unless it was the word of the mod. Are you able to elaborate on why you are so sure this is correct, without giving away more than you feel you should? Yes. It was literally the word of the mod, and was framed as such. Ok, so instead of being a message composed by peeker and relayed by the mod, it's a case of peeker choosing you for a message sent from the mod? It sounded like the former situation in your other post, which is why I was confused about your certainty.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 8, 2012 18:44:20 GMT -5
I'm curious about that as well, given that in his own mystery mafia game, he had players broadcasting their alignments (supposedly!) at other players. What makes him so sure he's not the victim of a similar ploy? I think my response to Dirx should answer this, but let me know if it doesn't. (And I love that you remembered that aspect of my game this many months afterward! That makes me happy.)
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 8, 2012 18:46:58 GMT -5
Yes. It was literally the word of the mod, and was framed as such. Ok, so instead of being a message composed by peeker and relayed by the mod, it's a case of peeker choosing you for a message sent from the mod? It sounded like the former situation in your other post, which is why I was confused about your certainty. The message was from the mod and contained the following sentence: "I hereby moderator-confirm that the player called peekercpa is definitely, permanently, immutably, Town in alignment." I also agree that this doesn't say anything conclusive about my own alignment. I know I'm town, though, obviously.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 8, 2012 18:47:28 GMT -5
Just finished reading the last few pages of D1.
That....was....epic.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 18:47:34 GMT -5
why? i dislike lurkers as much as the next soul but i also trust that story will have a mechanism to deal with them. I don't really care about whether story has a plan for them or not. Lurkers are deadweight and eliminating them without using up the lynch is good. A vig with no other real options should always consider vigging in the nontalkers. As an added advantage, it can really put the fear of god into scum who are lurking to avoid the spotlight. ok, here's the deal is. as scum i like to leave lurkers alone as long as i can't come up with something else. fuck they are dead weight and just confuse shit. but once town starts sniffing too close that's when i go ltl. and you want a town vig to target a lurker? sounds kind of cool in the abstract. if all lurkers are town don't fuck with the vig and it's one less problem to deal with later. but if a lurker is scum and you know that a vig is going to shoot in that pool and if you have a redirect you just use it as an extra NK. c'mon 101. matter of fact you might use it just for grins and giggles to have town lynch their durn vig. as much as some folks wanted to keep a 3rd party in their pocket which makes no fucking sense. i'd rather keep a discretionary vig in my pocket.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 8, 2012 18:47:38 GMT -5
Despite being lynched for no good reason, I paid lots of attention in that game. I suppose your response to Dirx does although Plankton has just as valid a point raised.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 18:48:46 GMT -5
and this means is that gad and i are town. now i won't post my full power here but that's the skinny. and since gad has wisely chosen not to share more than he has any town power roles can leave us off the screen. unless there is a watcher type. so dick/doc/vig/whadthfugever go elsewhere. i don't mind dying to get a free run for my power folks. and scummy scummy scummy let's go out and play. I'm not sure how it necessarily means anything to us, considering you could both be making it up. But assuming for the moment that you are town, how does this clear Gadarene? Does your 'messaging power' only work on Town? yes
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Post by Chronos on Mar 8, 2012 18:48:59 GMT -5
Why are we paying any attention at all to what Ed told us? He was lying. Everything he said was designed to put us on the wrong track. Maybe some of it is true, maybe not, and even if any of it is true, we don't know which parts. So our best bet is to ignore him.
The cat's already out of the bag on this one, but whatever it is that peeker and Gadarene have going on, they probably would have been better off waiting until just before Dawn to say, so as to avoid being targeted by the Scum.
And I just had an amusing thought-- What if the entire Scum team is Batman? I notice that Ed's reveal did not identify him as Bruce Wayne. We've already had hints that someone else might have taken up the mask and cowl; what if multiple somebodies have taken it up? Not sure how that would matter, game-wise, but it'd be an interesting bit of storytelling.
Oh, and does this board have collapsible spoiler tags? When I get home, I can post my summary information to help Archangel catch up, but it's really, really long.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 8, 2012 18:50:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it necessarily means anything to us, considering you could both be making it up. But assuming for the moment that you are town, how does this clear Gadarene? Does your 'messaging power' only work on Town? yes Nice! That was not made explicit in the PM.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 8, 2012 18:51:15 GMT -5
I didn't claim vig though, so scum will have to decide how highly texcat will rate my advice. Plus, redirecting a vig kill only when there's scum in the lurker pool seems like a great way to highlight the fact that there's a scum in the lurker pool.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -5
Why are we paying any attention at all to what Ed told us? He was lying. Everything he said was designed to put us on the wrong track. Maybe some of it is true, maybe not, and even if any of it is true, we don't know which parts. So our best bet is to ignore him. The cat's already out of the bag on this one, but whatever it is that peeker and Gadarene have going on, they probably would have been better off waiting until just before Dawn to say, so as to avoid being targeted by the Scum. And I just had an amusing thought-- What if the entire Scum team is Batman? I notice that Ed's reveal did not identify him as Bruce Wayne. We've already had hints that someone else might have taken up the mask and cowl; what if multiple somebodies have taken it up? Not sure how that would matter, game-wise, but it'd be an interesting bit of storytelling. Oh, and does this board have collapsible spoiler tags? When I get home, I can post my summary information to help Archangel catch up, but it's really, really long. uh chronos you might want to read the end of D1 in this game. i felt that ed was going to be collateral damage for a juicier target. hey, i was wrong. at times in this game it makes sense to offer up less valuable targets to allow others to perform more valuable services. so actually i would like scum to target me. or maybe not. at least it gives them something to talk about on their board.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 19:13:05 GMT -5
and i guess i would ask the rest of the crowd, especially those that questioned hal in "powering" up pleo as being the worst ever idea of the world. how do you reconcile that with the events of this afternoon?
just kind of curious.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 8, 2012 19:18:56 GMT -5
and i guess i would ask the rest of the crowd, especially those that questioned hal in "powering" up pleo as being the worst ever idea of the world. how do you reconcile that with the events of this afternoon? just kind of curious. I didn't really have a problem with Hal's actions in the first place, but even I would have to see this as a case of "the ends don't necessarily justify the means". I'm of the opinion that we 'got lucky' that Ed was the Batman. It may be that there was more to the events that unfolded than blind luck, but there's no evidence for that right now.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 19:23:59 GMT -5
and i'll be arsed to do it myself since i have a pta meeting and 3 16 hour days staring me in the face. but i wonder how may folks voted tex after hal powered pleo and threatened to kill ed for his "edit". those folks really need to get looked at. that's scum shitting bricks.
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Post by astralrejection on Mar 8, 2012 19:25:09 GMT -5
and i guess i would ask the rest of the crowd, especially those that questioned hal in "powering" up pleo as being the worst ever idea of the world. how do you reconcile that with the events of this afternoon? just kind of curious. There's nothing to reconcile. When Hal powered him up, Pleo hadn't yet said he would unequivocally kill Ed if Pleo was set to be lynched. Scum were presumably as clueless about Pleo's intent as we were at the time. In my case, I voiced my suspicion of Hal early on, and that suspicion waned as my suspicion of TexCat increased. You're acting as if I need to explain my posts using information I didn't have at the time I made them.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 8, 2012 19:26:31 GMT -5
and i guess i would ask the rest of the crowd, especially those that questioned hal in "powering" up pleo as being the worst ever idea of the world. how do you reconcile that with the events of this afternoon? just kind of curious. I still think it was awful, even though we lucked into the best possible result. You don't play 27o habitually just because once in awhile you'll flop a boat with it, peek.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 8, 2012 19:32:39 GMT -5
So you're basically an investigator that self-confirms? That's...really powerful. Unless it was a one-shot to make a mason group. But if you can do it repeatedly that's...really powerful. Huh. and i guess i would ask the rest of the crowd, especially those that questioned hal in "powering" up pleo as being the worst ever idea of the world. how do you reconcile that with the events of this afternoon? just kind of curious. I also think we got extremely lucky. I think Ed editing his post would have happened regardless of his alignment. And for the record, I was against Hal deciding to power Pleo up without giving everybody else time to consult and discuss what to do with Pleo. I could have ended up on the side of powering Pleo up anyway after a thorough discussion from everyone, but now we'll never know! The entire sequences of events was just bizarre, leading to an even more bizarre outcome. But it's fitting for Batman mafia, that's for sure.
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Post by Dirx on Mar 8, 2012 19:34:22 GMT -5
and i'll be arsed to do it myself since i have a pta meeting and 3 16 hour days staring me in the face. but i wonder how may folks voted tex after hal powered pleo and threatened to kill ed for his "edit". those folks really need to get looked at. that's scum shitting bricks. Hey, I'll admit it. I voted Texcat long after Pleo stated he would kill Ed if he got lynched, and my vote stayed. But Pleo's actions were not a factor in my vote. I thought his reasoning for targetting Ed was stupid, and I disliked his (apparent, at the time) unwillingness to fully cooperate with town, but ultimately I still felt Texcat was scummy and thus a better lynch decision. After her claim, I was less sure, but lacking any other scum leads, I let my vote stand.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 8, 2012 19:53:10 GMT -5
Whether or not Pleo knew who Ed was, I think we got lucky. I am leaning toward Pleo having some perfect information about Ed, though, somehow. Otherwise it is just too damn bizarre.
My suspicions of Hal have lessened a great deal with his late vote switch, but I still think his priming of Pleo was reckless.
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Post by Chronos on Mar 8, 2012 19:53:49 GMT -5
My vote was as stated: I wanted to save Pleo. Which, in hindsight, was the correct decision, since he was not, in fact, a PFK.
And I might also remind you that we don't yet know TexCat's alignment (nor Hal's, for that matter). If at least one of them were Scum, then it would have hurt Scum either way.
Might I also add that it seems really odd to suspect someone is Scum for trying to save someone who really strongly suspected a Scum and had the power to do something about it? Yes, yes, that came out of the way that Pleo agreed to be leashed, but it sounds to me like that'd be hugely risky in the long run.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 19:55:17 GMT -5
and hey gals/guys. i am certainly in no position to do a monday morning quarterback and absolve myself. i kind of thought that leaving pleo alive was silly but was totally convinced that ed was just being a railroaded townie. so i get mud on my windows as well. that was pure luck. but i still don't get the votes on tex after her claim especially since we had a claimed not town killer. i mean it worked out well so who is to bitch but i still don't get it.
and with only 2 dead. we've got a long fucking way to go.
woot the fucking woot
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 8, 2012 20:01:19 GMT -5
Yes PFK != 3rd Party, but 3rd Party also != Town. Pleo made is bed with his gambit, and getting rid of him was a valid Townie play, regardless of any Ed flavored cherries on top.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 20:04:43 GMT -5
Whether or not Pleo knew who Ed was, I think we got lucky. I am leaning toward Pleo having some perfect information about Ed, though, somehow. Otherwise it is just too damn bizarre. My suspicions of Hal have lessened a great deal with his late vote switch, but I still think his priming of Pleo was reckless. i'm not so sure about this cookies. i don't think that pleo would have played it the way he did if he knew who batty was. i think that ed yanked his chain and he just followed through with what he said he would do. and while i understand that priming pleo's pump can be considered reckless i can't see scum doing it. but it's the exact thing i would have done based on the number of players. seriously, if all we get is a lynch and a NK then we potentially will still be playing come Memorial day.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 20:07:35 GMT -5
My vote was as stated: I wanted to save Pleo. Which, in hindsight, was the correct decision, since he was not, in fact, a PFK. <snipped> and i guess we are talkin semantics. he was a 3rd party "killer". don't know the definitions that great but it sure doesn't sound helpful to town in the long run.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 20:13:30 GMT -5
and i'll be arsed to do it myself since i have a pta meeting and 3 16 hour days staring me in the face. but i wonder how may folks voted tex after hal powered pleo and threatened to kill ed for his "edit". those folks really need to get looked at. that's scum shitting bricks. Hey, I'll admit it. I voted Texcat long after Pleo stated he would kill Ed if he got lynched, and my vote stayed. But Pleo's actions were not a factor in my vote. I thought his reasoning for targetting Ed was stupid, and I disliked his (apparent, at the time) unwillingness to fully cooperate with town, but ultimately I still felt Texcat was scummy and thus a better lynch decision. After her claim, I was less sure, but lacking any other scum leads, I let my vote stand. so now that we have eliminated a 3rd party "killer" and batty does your opinio of tex change? i mean i assume that there are a limited number of killers and that town probably has at least one. or do you feel differently?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 8, 2012 20:20:02 GMT -5
and chronos you do understand that if you folks would have saved pleo you would have also have save ed, right?
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