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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 2, 2012 17:03:03 GMT -5
@ SBr0wn: Why do you continue to say if Idle is scum. He has been mod-confirmed as scum? Why are you angry at at Pollux for stating the obvious? For the If issue- see the last Night thread- I don't trust anything 100% until it's shown up dead- it's a matter of semantics. I currently am of the mind that Idle is 99.99% Scum, but I don't know that for sure. There's always a .01% that something's going on that I have no idea what. And also, in the statement above, I'm using it as an If, then statement. I'm saying If _____, then _____. I didn't mean it as "if he turns up scum"- I'm assuming he's scum, and I'm going to be checking the voting records with that assumption in mind.Also- I'm frustrated because it seems like we were doing well until toDay- the entire Town is just acting weird, Idle's been just confusing me with his rantings and making alot of noise, and I'm trying to figure out if there's a slip in there or if it's just intentional and I just have honestly no idea. And then the boards go all crazy yesterday and it becomes super-hard to read for no reason at all, and then I tried logging on at night and it's won't let me log on and the boards are down- and I have no idea what's going on then today- and it's just frazzling and frustrating.And then to top it off- it felt like Pollux was just shoving me out there, encouraging Idle to try to mess with me, especially after he had been the one to say he was going to try to figure out about the devices. It hurt my feelings honestly. And I know this is just a game. I want to play it like a game. But I just didn't expect that, ya know? And then he goes and now votes a whole bunch and now put himself out into device's whatever, and now I'm afraid Idle is just making noise, and if he's Town, i thought he was one of the better townies, and now it just seems like everything's going downhill and it's all just a big mess. This is NOT what I expected when signed up to play Mafia. I dunno. I think I'm just having a bad day and I need to step away or something, but I don't wanna because then it'll be seen as scummy or I'm being unhelpful by not talking, and we've already wasted a day in that stupid mess yesterday and it's just blah It's just a game.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 2, 2012 17:03:44 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if our power-stealer don't have a secret (unknown to him and us) power where he attempts to kill the person (also) he's stealing the power from. So you're proposing that one of the Scum has a power that is not only a Secret from the Town...and is not only a secret from the rest of the Scum...but is also a secret from himself? I believe that would be a first... Good try, though You're seriously implying that you've never heard of or seen a secret power in a game before (unknown to everyone save the mod)? Sheesh, I know you're PFK, but that's stretching it a bit. Games have surprises all the time.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 2, 2012 17:14:43 GMT -5
So you're proposing that one of the Scum has a power that is not only a Secret from the Town...and is not only a secret from the rest of the Scum...but is also a secret from himself? I believe that would be a first... Good try, though You're seriously implying that you've never heard of or seen a secret power in a game before (unknown to everyone save the mod)? Sheesh, I know you're PFK, but that's stretching it a bit. Games have surprises all the time. I have never to the best of my recollection been involved in a game where there were any powers that were known only to the Mod, with the exception of a game a while back where all players' powers were unknown at the beginning of the game and had to be figured out as the game went on...and that twist was part of the announced game setup. Or maybe I'm just naive...or forgetful (I am almost 45, after all) ...And then the boards go all crazy yesterday and it becomes super-hard to read for no reason at all, and then I tried logging on at night and it's won't let me log on and the boards are down- and I have no idea what's going on ... Yesterday was April 1st...April Fool's Day. The 'board weirdness' was a prank, and I suspect the downtime (which I didn't experience first-hand) was to put the board back in order again.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 2, 2012 17:19:00 GMT -5
You know, I promised myself that I wasn't going to respond to Idle's nonsense Today...but I let myself get dragged in anyway.
Personally, I blame all of the people who are utterly failing to discuss anything at all.
I suppose it's possible that Idle is the last remaining Scum, so maybe you all figure we've got this one in the bag. Even if the first part of the previous statement is true (which I'm not convinced), I'm not at all confident the second part is.
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Post by texcat on Apr 2, 2012 21:44:27 GMT -5
I keep waiting for Storyteller, thinking that something is going to happen to Pollux, but then I realized that all actions are at dawn or dusk. I guess we'll wait to see what happens at dusk. ;(
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Post by sinjin on Apr 2, 2012 21:49:30 GMT -5
I keep waiting for Storyteller, thinking that something is going to happen to Pollux, but then I realized that all actions are at dawn or dusk. I guess we'll wait to see what happens at dusk. ;( This is not true. Before when Pollux voted/unvoted story cam right in with his count.
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Post by texcat on Apr 2, 2012 22:46:34 GMT -5
Yeah, he told us the count, but he also said that all actions resolve at dusk or dawn....I guess we'll see...
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Post by Meeko on Apr 2, 2012 23:38:40 GMT -5
Can someone second the notion that suburban is PFK ?
And or point me to where Idle got started on suburban as PFK line ?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 2, 2012 23:43:40 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Apr 3, 2012 0:32:54 GMT -5
As I said before, can someone SECOND it?
I keep seeing firsts.
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Post by Nanook on Apr 3, 2012 0:53:30 GMT -5
I tried to come in and post yesterday, but the April's Fools garbage made it unreadable. I know you think it's funny Idle, but as a player I absolutely despise it. I especially hate it since it's isn't a Fool, it's just annoying. The whole point of April's Fools is you get to yell that out to people when they believe you. There's no believing in a stupid filter.
Please people, stop talking to Idle. He's scum. He's outed. He's going to do everything he can to sow chaos and confusion. He's done this in every single game he's ever been outed as scum in.
I don't think a mass claim is right for Today. I don't see the benefit in giving out more information on a Day where it's not going to change the lynch. Tomorrow on the other hand seems like a good Day for it.
Vote: Idle
The SP "slip" thing is stupid. Saying worst case scenario is a mislynch isn't PIS, it's basic logic. But I was already and continue to be suspicious of Charlie, so this seems like a good case of Cookies pet theory on PIS slip accusations.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 3, 2012 0:54:25 GMT -5
As I said before, can someone SECOND it? I keep seeing firsts. There is no second. Idle just keeps babbling to himself about it. I don't think anybody else is seriously considering what he's saying as actual information. I.E. I don't think anybody seriously considers that the scum have a power stealer, or that Gadarene is said power stealer, or that they stole from Suburban because they knew he was a PFK.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 3, 2012 0:56:09 GMT -5
I don't think a mass claim is right for Today. I don't see the benefit in giving out more information on a Day where it's not going to change the lynch. Tomorrow on the other hand seems like a good Day for it. Agree. Idle's going to be lynched today anyway. I was just hoping to get the ball rolling about talking about it because knowing this crowd if everyone finally got around to actually saying an opinion on it and/or agreeing to do it, the Day would be over anyway.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 3, 2012 1:10:38 GMT -5
You're all going to wish you listened to me later on.
Everything I've told you is the truth.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 3, 2012 1:24:58 GMT -5
I tried to come in and post yesterday, but the April's Fools garbage made it unreadable. I know you think it's funny Idle, but as a player I absolutely despise it. I especially hate it since it's isn't a Fool, it's just annoying. The whole point of April's Fools is you get to yell that out to people when they believe you. There's no believing in a stupid filter. Please people, stop talking to Idle. He's scum. He's outed. He's going to do everything he can to sow chaos and confusion. He's done this in every single game he's ever been outed as scum in. I don't think a mass claim is right for Today. I don't see the benefit in giving out more information on a Day where it's not going to change the lynch. Tomorrow on the other hand seems like a good Day for it. Vote: Idle The SP "slip" thing is stupid. Saying worst case scenario is a mislynch isn't PIS, it's basic logic. But I was already and continue to be suspicious of Charlie, so this seems like a good case of Cookies pet theory on PIS slip accusations. yup, as long as you agree that it's just as stupid as my supposed posting on the main thread what i wanted to post on the scum board.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 3, 2012 3:04:22 GMT -5
There is another possbility to explain the 'extra' death last Night. Cookies might have activated her protective devices, killing herself in the process. If that's the case, there is nothing unexplained. I guess you could read her first post of the Day that way. A bit metagaming - but the theory can't be ruled out based on it IMO. Ah well. Dead if I did and dead if I didn't. Go town. If y'all can actually show up, post, and read for comprehension all at the same time, you might still be able to win.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 3, 2012 3:22:54 GMT -5
RE: the PIS-slip Here is my thinking (at the computer and should be able to make more sense than before). SP say something along the line: Worse case scenario a LightFood lynch could be a mislynch. Now let's just for the fun of it assume SP is non-scum. We also know that LightFood was Town. So a scum would know this and would be able to think "Ha! This could be painted as a PIS-slip". I know this because that's what I do as Scum. Look for thing that could be painted as PIS. So that's what Charlie does. he point out that it could be a PIS-thing. And leaves it there. We move on until LightFood is revealed as town and then he brings it up again. And that what sends my scum-bar pinging. I can't say for sure if SP in this scenario is Town but I start to see it as likely that Charlie could be Scum. This is of cause just one of many scenarios. However it's one I find likely and I'll try and focus on the voting the Day with the Charlie-wagon. There might be info there to ponder about. Also I can't promise to do so today. Because I have Easter-holiday and the silly kids actually expect me to spend time with them instead of hanging on to my phone all the time
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 3, 2012 3:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by scáthach on Apr 3, 2012 4:50:31 GMT -5
Sorry all, wasn't around this weekend and Mondays are a killer for me. Will catch up now.
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Post by scáthach on Apr 3, 2012 8:14:49 GMT -5
Vote: Idle Thoughts I also hope this finally puts to rest the whole debate of good guys and bad guys being town. How so? So far there seem's to be an adequate canon explanation for everyone being on whatever side they were on except Penguin. I don't know if it's time for a mass claim yet, but I don't see any reason to hold back on this at this point. Someone did try to kill me last Night. As I said, I don't know who it was, but I received a PM at Dawn saying in part (with the rest coming shortly Ok if we run with the steaming bowl of WIFOM Idle's been throwing around it wouldn't be too ridiculous to have surviving a NK be a 3rd party power rather than a town power. I fail to see how protecting or role blocking would be though, assuming you've been telling the truth about that. Any word from the blocked/protected people about noticing being encased in a wall of ice at all? So far the only really good pro-town power is Nanook's one-shot recruitment. Is there a reason we're taking Mahaloth and Nanook as confirmed? Nanook claims to have recruited Mahaloth sure, but for all we know it was scum recruitment or some such? I lean town on both of them, I'm just wary of saying they're both confirmed.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 3, 2012 8:24:54 GMT -5
Is there a reason we're taking Mahaloth and Nanook as confirmed? Nanook claims to have recruited Mahaloth sure, but for all we know it was scum recruitment or some such? I lean town on both of them, I'm just wary of saying they're both confirmed. They aren't confirmed. But they have 'confirmed each other'. Nanook stated that he recruited mahaloth to Town, and mahaloth told us that he had been recruited to Town. So they must either both be Town, or must both be Scum. It's possible that they are both Scum, but it's not very likely considering the early stage at which supposed recruitment occurred; there would be a lot of opportunity for someone to discover them if they were lying.
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Post by Nanook on Apr 3, 2012 11:10:47 GMT -5
Me being a scum recruiter also fails to make sense in my choice of recruitment target. Setting aside Pleo, who would have been the ultimate scum recruitment, on the Day I blew my power I could have chosen to take a shot at Drain instead. Drain's power was far more useful for the scum side than Mahaloth's is. Also taking Drain was the more popular choice. So the argument for me(and by extension therefore Mahaloth) is that I choose to take the less powerful role that got me more heat? I know "scum would totally do that!" and all, but let's not assume other players are stupid. The upside isn't worth the downside.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 3, 2012 12:07:17 GMT -5
based on the claims, names and even the wording of the PMs, mass claiming will not be as effective as in other games. each PM can be construed as for or against town. Cookies' PM for example can seem like a mad bomber role. being 'tagged' with kerosene sounds dangerous.
mass claiming could still help in the case of finding people who are unable to explain who they targeted each time they used their power.
so if all, or at least, most agree to a mass claim, i'm willing to participate.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 3, 2012 12:10:59 GMT -5
NETA: i don't know what to think about Pollux' bringing SBrown's counter to 0. i guess we all wait until dusk.
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Post by Nanook on Apr 3, 2012 12:17:52 GMT -5
He didn't bring Sbrown's down, he brought his own down. I wonder when it will trigger though? Rules say things resolve at Dawn and Dusk, but the countdown updated during the Day previously.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 3, 2012 12:37:53 GMT -5
How so? So far there seem's to be an adequate canon explanation for everyone being on whatever side they were on except Penguin. For clarification, what I meant was both good guys and bad guys can be town, and good guys and bad guys can be scum. Name =/= alignment which was a huge debate after Silver Jan's initial investigation, and it was finally put to rest with Lightfoot's death. We've got to start somewhere. They aren't confirmed but they're the best we have besides Total. That's why the scum haven't targeted either of them yet: as soon as one dies it basically confirms the other, and on top of that Nanook has explicitly stated he's vanilla now that he's used his power, so it wouldn't be advantageous at all to kill either of them given mahaloth's claimed power. As long as we're super suspicious about everyone that's already outed themselves, we're not going to get any actual scum hunting done. NETA: i don't know what to think about Pollux' bringing SBrown's counter to 0. i guess we all wait until dusk. I moved my own to 0. As for SBrown, I simply asked the question why hasn't Idle detonated her device as well? An outed scum would surely be fine with counting down a device on a townie, right? Cause more chaos and confusion? So why is Idle completely ignoring SBrown? And completely ignoring me any time I mention it as well? I seem to be the only one who's curious about this, though, so maybe I'm just more sadistic when considering mafia options than others.
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Post by Nanook on Apr 3, 2012 12:56:48 GMT -5
I'm aware of it and interested. I also know better than to read anything at all into Idle's comments and actions at this time. It's something to keep an eye on, but not a huge smoking gun.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 3, 2012 13:07:47 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT - OFFICIAL – FINAL DAY ONE
Pleonast (11 votes) - Cookies (357), Nanook (359), texcat (382), astralrejection (407), SBrOwn (419), Gadarene (436), sinjin (448), BillMc (449), Suburban Plankton (455), peekercpa (738), Hal Briston (951)
texcat (10 votes) - Total Ullz (411), Special Ed (692), Mahaloth (702), Inner Stickler (705), Chronos (741), Rysto (749), askthepizzaguy (754), Dirx (757), Merestil Haye (917), Pleonast (939)
Hal Briston (4 votes) - Pollux Oil (271), Lightfoot (283), Silver Jan (300), Meeko (345)
Drain Bead (1 vote) - guiri (140)
sinjin (1 vote) - Drain Bead (770)
Suburban Plankton (1 vote) – gnarlycharlie (890)
Not Voting: Archangel, Idle Thoughts, scathach
VOTE COUNT - FINAL DAY TWO
Drain Bead (11 votes) - Dirx (493), Cookies (590), Total Ullz (592), SBroWn (594), Nanook (595), peekercpa (597), scathach (660), Lightfoot (701), Pollux Oil (715), texcat (721), sinjin (749)
Archangel (8 votes) – Gadarene (543), Mahaloth (593), Inner Stickler (599), Drain Bead (604), askthepizzaguy (627), Hal Briston (665), BillMc (668), Suburban Plankton (690)
Lightfoot (2 votes) - Chronos (86), Idle Thoughts (186)
Rysto (1 vote) - Silver Jan (654)
Mahaloth (1 vote) - Archangel (424)
Silver Jan (1 vote) – Rysto (607)
No Lynch (1 vote) - Meeko (685)
Not Voting (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie
FINAL VOTE COUNT – DAY THREE
askthepizzaguy (8 votes) - peekercpa (57), Nanook (89), SBrown (90), gnarlycharlie (94), BillMc (97), Idle Thoughts (105), sinjin (119), Pollux Oil (243)
gnarlycharlie (4 votes) – Meeko (217), Lightfoot (229), Sister Coyote (233), Silver Jan (236)
Idle Thoughts (3 votes) - askthepizzaguy (41), Chronos (228), Suburban Plankton (246),
Chronos (2 votes) – Cookies (249), Rysto (261)
Rysto (1 vote) - texcat (42)
sinjin (1 vote) – mahaloth (176)
Hal Briston (1 vote) – scathach (227)
Meeko (1 vote) – Total Ullz
DAY FOUR OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Sister Coyote (6 votes) - Pollux Oil (176), Lightfoot (185), Cookies (180), SBrown (189), Total Ullz (204), texcat (273)
Cookies (3 votes) - scathach (94), Mahaloth (106), Nanook (220)
Lightfoot (2 votes) - gnarlycharlie (29), Hal Briston (46)
Hal Briston (2 votes) - Idle Thoughts (15), Meeko (265)
Idle Thoughts (2 votes) - Suburban Plankton (143), BillMc (260)
texcat (1 vote) - Sister Coyote (311)
Not Voting - sinjin
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 3, 2012 13:16:42 GMT -5
It's amazing how little official information we have from the group of people who lynched Pleonast. Also, everybody who voted to lynch pizzaguy is still alive (although Idle's on his way to the noose).
To texcat: Now that only Total and mahaloth remain alive from your bandwagon and your theory that we'd find all the scum voting for you has been mostly debunked, can you tell me where you think the other scum are? Myself, Meeko, and gnarlycharlie are the only ones left who did not vote Pleo (aside from scathach, who has been investigated as not-scum). Do you think the three of us are more likely to be scum? Of the Pleo voters, who do you think is the most scummy?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 3, 2012 13:30:07 GMT -5
He didn't bring Sbrown's down, he brought his own down. I wonder when it will trigger though? Rules say things resolve at Dawn and Dusk, but the countdown updated during the Day previously. i stand corrected. NETA: i don't know what to think about Pollux' bringing SBrown's counter to 0. i guess we all wait until dusk. I moved my own to 0. As for SBrown, I simply asked the question why hasn't Idle detonated her device as well? An outed scum would surely be fine with counting down a device on a townie, right? Cause more chaos and confusion? So why is Idle completely ignoring SBrown? And completely ignoring me any time I mention it as well? I seem to be the only one who's curious about this, though, so maybe I'm just more sadistic when considering mafia options than others. in light of my error, the more i still don't know what to make of it. you've got guts.
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