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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 3, 2012 13:37:08 GMT -5
I'm going to Korea Saturday. I'll have internet access, but will be a bit busy. I should be able to play, though.
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Post by texcat on Apr 3, 2012 14:53:20 GMT -5
It's amazing how little official information we have from the group of people who lynched Pleonast. Also, everybody who voted to lynch pizzaguy is still alive (although Idle's on his way to the noose). To texcat: Now that only Total and mahaloth remain alive from your bandwagon and your theory that we'd find all the scum voting for you has been mostly debunked, can you tell me where you think the other scum are? Myself, Meeko, and gnarlycharlie are the only ones left who did not vote Pleo (aside from scathach, who has been investigated as not-scum). Do you think the three of us are more likely to be scum? Of the Pleo voters, who do you think is the most scummy? Heck if I know. Let's not forget about recruitment though. Scathach was not scum when she was investigated, but who knows now. I am never able to get a read on Meeko, but his voting record is certainly questionable. Hal has been much quieter since Day 1. At some point, I'm going to start wondering why BillMc is still alive. I have not done a re-read in quite a while. Last Night I didn't worry about it since I wasn't killing anyone, and Today Idle has made voting easy. I will need to do a re-read before I come to any conclusions.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 3, 2012 21:52:03 GMT -5
I had two days off, figured I should come back in here to see if anything has changed.....
Still voting Idle?
Ok.
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I've been running all over today trying to get the "New Ipad" / Ipad 3. EVERY place I went to was sold out of the 32 Gig Wifi. Anyone else having trouble here?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2012 7:30:12 GMT -5
OK - VOTE COUNT FIRST
Idle Thoughts (9 votes) - Pollux Oil (8), texcat (12), SBrown (16), Meeko (17), Suburban Plankton (18), Total Ullz (51), BillMc (54), sinjin (119), Nanook (130)
Hal Briston (1 vote) - Idle Thoughts (2)
Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - gnarlycharly (45)
Day to end tomorrow.
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DEVICE UPDATE:
1. Pollux Oil's device now reads "0." All actions, including the device, resolve at Dawn or Dusk, respectively, so you'll all learn what that means, if anything, at Dusk.
2. SBrown's device is now at "-35."
3. Hal Briston's device is unchanged.
4. BillMc's device HAS changed. The light with the symbol for "pi" is now illuminated, and has been ever since Post #47.
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Post by BillMc on Apr 4, 2012 8:28:56 GMT -5
Post #47...it lights when someone posts a claim?
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 8:58:31 GMT -5
Sorry for my lack of participation, everyone. I've felt sort of out of step with this game for a while now, and it's been hard to catch up.
I'm inclined to believe Suburban's claim -- and, specifically, to believe that he is Town, rather than Third Party or PFK. I don't see why Idle would out Suburban's alignment if Suburban were actually not Town, while obviously it benefits Idle to sow confusion, doubt, and paranoia if Suburban was, in fact, a Townie.
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Should we have a good second wagon in case Idle is up to some shenanigans and has a Scotsman-type power?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 4, 2012 9:20:02 GMT -5
Should we have a good second wagon in case Idle is up to some shenanigans and has a Scotsman-type power? That's a rather strange question. If there's someone else you're suspicious of, then please tell us. But what good would us do to 'get a second wagon going' here with just under 28 hours left in the Day? even if Idle is a Scotsman, or has some other way to avoid a lynch, it's not going to help us Today; he's the lynch candidate, and we're going to get a second chance if he doesn't work out. So why should we scramble now to nominate a 'runner-up'? If we were going to do such a thing, I think starting a few days ago might have been a good idea, rather that hurrying to do so now.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 4, 2012 9:34:17 GMT -5
Post #47...it lights when someone posts a claim? Either that, or when someone posts a PM. Based on the fact that your device has different lights, I'm guessing that it has three or four different triggers, and that each light will come on when each of the various criteria are met. If that's the case, then it would be likely that only the first occasion instance of the trigger mechanism would affect the device, so nothing would happen the next time someone claims, for example. I say "three or four triggers" because it doesn't seem clear whether four things need to happen in order to light up all four lights, or if only the first three lights need to be lit in order to activate the "0" light.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 4, 2012 9:36:53 GMT -5
We appear to have heard from everyone but peeker at this point. Just to clarify, nobody smelled kerosene (or anything else) this morning?
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 10:00:49 GMT -5
Should we have a good second wagon in case Idle is up to some shenanigans and has a Scotsman-type power? That's a rather strange question. If there's someone else you're suspicious of, then please tell us. But what good would us do to 'get a second wagon going' here with just under 28 hours left in the Day? even if Idle is a Scotsman, or has some other way to avoid a lynch, it's not going to help us Today; he's the lynch candidate, and we're going to get a second chance if he doesn't work out. So why should we scramble now to nominate a 'runner-up'? If we were going to do such a thing, I think starting a few days ago might have been a good idea, rather that hurrying to do so now. You're right. It was a question better suited to an earlier day. I'm used to 28 hours left in a Day being a hell of a lot. ;D Just trying to contribute; forget it, though. What are some other outstanding issues we can talk about to make toDay as productive as possible?
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 11:34:57 GMT -5
Just trying to contribute; forget it, though. What are some other outstanding issues we can talk about to make toDay as productive as possible? What do you think of the PIS-debate between SP and Charly? Do you believe we have two Town-vigs in this game? What was your first thought when reading Pollux's idea about the unvoting-device and Idle as a loose Scum? Where do you stand on a mass-claim and why? I think there is plenty to talk about even if Idle is the one we lynch...
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 12:32:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions, Total. It's helpful to have something concrete to focus on and respond to. What do you think of the PIS-debate between SP and Charly? About Lightfoot being Town? I can't remember the specifics of it, but since my default is to treat people as provisionally Town until I have reason to think otherwise (cultural thing that has been explored in the past and probably doesn't need to be rehashed now), and since Lightfoot's tone was Townie throughout all the pressure she received from Day Two onward, I can see someone thinking of Lightfoot as extremely likely to be Town and referring to her as such without it being PIS. I think it's likely. Isn't there some specific tension between Texcat and SisterCoyote's claimed targets, though? As in, didn't they claim to have targeted at least some of the same people? Or am I misremembering? I think it's very possible that (a) we have two Town vigs and yet (b) Texcat is not a Town vig. This fits with her claimed role name (since Talia was third party as well), and I also have a decently strong suspicion about who the other Town vig is, assuming it isn't Texcat. I don't think it's pro-Town to vocalize it, though, just in case scum/PFK out there haven't reached the same conclusion. That Idle could and would do something specific that I'm surprised he hasn't done. I don't know what the implications of him not doing it are. I am opposed to mass claims as a cultural matter, as an aesthetic matter, and because I don't want to make the scum's job easier for them. If a mass claim happens, I will participate, but I feel in general like it takes the game-solve-y aspect out of Mafia and turns it into the Town versus the mod's ingenuity in preventing gamebreaking gambits. Mass claims aren't as fun for me, either. And a part of me cringes inside every time I see someone quote their full role PM. I know it's allowed, and I'm not saying that everyone who has done so was wrong given the context of their particular claim, but this game has a built-in information asymmetry and puzzle aspect that I enjoy, and everyone laying themselves bare (or purporting to do so) cuts against that, for me.
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Post by texcat on Apr 4, 2012 13:40:40 GMT -5
I think it's likely. Isn't there some specific tension between Texcat and SisterCoyote's claimed targets, though? As in, didn't they claim to have targeted at least some of the same people? Or am I misremembering? I think it's very possible that (a) we have two Town vigs and yet (b) Texcat is not a Town vig. This fits with her claimed role name (since Talia was third party as well), and I also have a decently strong suspicion about who the other Town vig is, assuming it isn't Texcat. I don't think it's pro-Town to vocalize it, though, just in case scum/PFK out there haven't reached the same conclusion. I don't think there is a third vig. We haven't had enough deaths for that, or we hadn't until last Night. And SisC killed Astral night 1, no one night 2, and Chronos night 3. I killed MHaye night 1, Archangel night 2, Rysto night 3, and no one night 4. Did you possible confuse Astral and Archangel?
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 13:56:51 GMT -5
I think it's likely. Isn't there some specific tension between Texcat and SisterCoyote's claimed targets, though? As in, didn't they claim to have targeted at least some of the same people? Or am I misremembering? I think it's very possible that (a) we have two Town vigs and yet (b) Texcat is not a Town vig. This fits with her claimed role name (since Talia was third party as well), and I also have a decently strong suspicion about who the other Town vig is, assuming it isn't Texcat. I don't think it's pro-Town to vocalize it, though, just in case scum/PFK out there haven't reached the same conclusion. I don't think there is a third vig. We haven't had enough deaths for that, or we hadn't until last Night. And SisC killed Astral night 1, no one night 2, and Chronos night 3. I killed MHaye night 1, Archangel night 2, Rysto night 3, and no one night 4. Did you possible confuse Astral and Archangel? I might have, yeah.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 4, 2012 14:34:49 GMT -5
Post #47...it lights when someone posts a claim? That's interesting. It's clearly not vote/unvote related like mine and SBrOwn's. That might mean Hal has a different trigger as well. A mass claim would be bad for your device, then, unless it was decided not to quote role PMs. Hm. I am opposed to mass claims as a cultural matter, as an aesthetic matter, and because I don't want to make the scum's job easier for them. If a mass claim happens, I will participate, but I feel in general like it takes the game-solve-y aspect out of Mafia and turns it into the Town versus the mod's ingenuity in preventing gamebreaking gambits. Mass claims aren't as fun for me, either. And a part of me cringes inside every time I see someone quote their full role PM. I know it's allowed, and I'm not saying that everyone who has done so was wrong given the context of their particular claim, but this game has a built-in information asymmetry and puzzle aspect that I enjoy, and everyone laying themselves bare (or purporting to do so) cuts against that, for me. I don't particularly enjoy mass claims either, but I was suggesting it just due to us getting more information from those people who are kind of coasting right now and not providing as much information. Having a role claim to analyze is better than having absolutely nothing. The mass name claim definitely helped town out during the original Arkham, however in that game the good guys were all scum which meant all their names were fake. I don't think a name claim will help as much in this game, but again, it would at least give us something to work with.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 4, 2012 14:38:54 GMT -5
1. Pollux Oil's device now reads "0." All actions, including the device, resolve at Dawn or Dusk, respectively, so you'll all learn what that means, if anything, at Dusk. This is going to be playing on repeat in my head until Dusk.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 15:37:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions, Total. It's helpful to have something concrete to focus on and respond to. Thanks - it's nice to have you back in the game. I'd like to hear the answers from others as well. Seems like a lot of people are very quite. I understand not having the time to build cases and so on. But it would be nice to just hear the answers to the questions posted.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 4, 2012 16:06:56 GMT -5
Yes, they are very quite, Ulla.
They are quite quiet! Quit it, people!
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Post by sinjin on Apr 4, 2012 16:12:40 GMT -5
I would like to know if Gadarene or Gnarly received any note that they were blocked by Mr. Freeze. I already responded.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 16:13:45 GMT -5
Yes, they are very quite, Ulla. They are quite quiet! Quit it, people! Oh, I misspelled again Sorry - the phone was set to spellcheck in Danish and it doesn't work so well around this board ;D
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 16:16:46 GMT -5
I would like to know if Gadarene or Gnarly received any note that they were blocked by Mr. Freeze. I already responded. What do you think about the PIS-debate? Do you see Gnarly's point or not? If it game to a mass claim - would you claim? Would you prefer a name claim or a claim-it-all?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 4, 2012 16:19:14 GMT -5
I would like to know if Gadarene or Gnarly received any note that they were blocked by Mr. Freeze. I already responded. Gadarene already noted he was blocked back on Day Three.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 4, 2012 16:31:34 GMT -5
Because he tried to steal Lightfoot's powers on Night two (he's our power stealer--remember).
He was successful with stealing Suburban's, though...because Suburban is PFK!
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 16:38:52 GMT -5
I would like to know if Gadarene or Gnarly received any note that they were blocked by Mr. Freeze. I already responded. I received a PM that I was blocked on the night that Mr. Freeze claims to have blocked me, and I said so the next morning.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 4, 2012 16:38:57 GMT -5
Here's something I was thinking about. Why would Idle try to take credit for the kill on Chronos? Sister Coyote already claimed to have killed Chronos and she's dead and proven town. Why would Idle try to cause paranoia over something that's pretty much 100% accepted, instead of trying to cast doubt over texcat (who claimed to have killed Rysto?)? Was he trying to cast doubt over texcat, forgot who she killed, and is now sticking to his story despite it not being believable in the slightest?
I think what Idle has said is completely worthless, but it's worth thinking about what he hasn't said. There's probably a few clues in there we may be able to use.
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 4, 2012 16:40:15 GMT -5
Because he tried to steal Lightfoot's powers on Night two (he's our power stealer--remember). He was successful with stealing Suburban's, though...because Suburban is PFK!<de-sized> I am not outing my power (if any) at this time. If I have one, it is not power stealer, so Idle's not even telling a half-truth here.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 17:06:48 GMT -5
Here's something I was thinking about. Why would Idle try to take credit for the kill on Chronos? Sister Coyote already claimed to have killed Chronos and she's dead and proven town. Why would Idle try to cause paranoia over something that's pretty much 100% accepted, instead of trying to cast doubt over texcat (who claimed to have killed Rysto?)? Was he trying to cast doubt over texcat, forgot who she killed, and is now sticking to his story despite it not being believable in the slightest? I think what Idle has said is completely worthless, but it's worth thinking about what he hasn't said. There's probably a few clues in there we may be able to use. I am not saying you don't have a point. But also please remember that Idle tend to skim and don't always pay attention to details - like the case of PFK and 3rd parties. So I wouldn't think too much of what he said or didn't say...
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 4, 2012 17:14:05 GMT -5
I am not saying you don't have a point. But also please remember that Idle tend to skim and don't always pay attention to details - like the case of PFK and 3rd parties. So I wouldn't think too much of what he said or didn't say... I'd much rather have people go back and analyze post histories of everyone and build cases over analyzing what Idle's said these past few Days, simply because, well, look at his post history. Idle Day 1: 2 Idle Day 2: 8 Idle Day 3: 12 Idle Day 4: 10 Idle Day 5: 38His post count toDay has exceeded his entire post count for the other four Days (which irks me, but for reasons completely unrelated to this discussion). He's purposefully trying to misinform everyone and screw with people's heads. However, using information he neglected to push at or try to throw into question as a supplement to other analysis wouldn't be terrible. At least in my opinion.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 4, 2012 17:19:55 GMT -5
However, using information he neglected to push at or try to throw into question as a supplement to other analysis wouldn't be terrible. At least in my opinion. I don't disagree. All I was trying to say is that Idle don't always pay attention to details. So we have to be careful when or if we focus on him not getting them straight.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 4, 2012 17:37:35 GMT -5
Sorry I forgot about Gadarene's previous block claim. I would still like to here from Gnarly. He hasn't been posting much at all and I seem to recall that's what he does as scum.
If we decide on a mass claim I would fully claim. I have nothing to hide.
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