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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2012 7:08:58 GMT -5
Right, I'm trapped in the ass end of nowhere with nothing but an iPhone to post the dawn. Accordingly, it will again be colorless, both literally and figuratively.
Two more are dead:
Gnarlycharly, CARMINE FALCONE, who was Town (Special)
and Total Ullz, VIKTOR ABRAMOVICI, who was Town (Alignment Based)
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Device has been placed on sinjin. More on that to come.
Day Six to end on Thursday at around 5PM Eastern.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2012 8:30:11 GMT -5
crap! why did i feel i'd wake up dead? go Town!!!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2012 8:32:09 GMT -5
ha ha ha! wake up dead. i did a stupid.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 8, 2012 9:27:33 GMT -5
Spoilers, please...
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2012 11:01:05 GMT -5
Spoilers, please... ditto
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2012 12:28:31 GMT -5
texcat, are you taking responsibility for one of these deaths?
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Post by Meeko on Apr 8, 2012 14:54:39 GMT -5
I'm trappped in the front end of somewhere but iam only with my iPod touch. Otherwise, same difference with story. Might I suggest we review voting records. I will not be claiming beyond what I already have stated, in regards to my role.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 8, 2012 15:26:08 GMT -5
I will not be claiming beyond what I already have stated, in regards to my role. K. Vote: Meeko Man it feels good not to have my hands tied. For clarification, I think we're at the point where we need information. We've lost a good deal of our investigative roles. There aren't terribly many powers left that could give us information. We're flying close to blind here. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who's against revealing information about their roles is acting anti-town and quite possibly has something to hide because of it. Gnarlycharlie had some sort of power, which begs the question: was his power a Day power? Something innate? "Special" could mean a lot of things...but does that mean Suburban was lying about his block? We don't know. We know gnarlycharlie didn't get a notification that he was blocked, but he didn't give us any indication on whether Suburban was actively caught in a lie or not. That kind of information would have been helpful in determining alignment and voting, which is why I think we should seriously consider mass claims at this point. I don't think we have terribly much to lose considering how many roles we've lost already, but as a vanilla obviously my sight on the matter is skewed.
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 8, 2012 16:04:57 GMT -5
That kind of information would have been helpful in determining alignment and voting, which is why I think we should seriously consider mass claims at this point. At this point, I remain skeptical of the idea of a Mass claim- simply because as Idle has show, fake role PMs may have been provided to the scum. That said, I'm also not really against it either- as we don't seem to have a clear obvious target toDay like yesterDay. Though one factor to consider- will the role claimings activate BillMC's device, and if so I think we should hear his input first before jumping to any reveals. But I certainly don't mind mass claiming if everyone is for the idea at this point. That said, I'm still committed to the idea of detonating my device toDay. So if we maybe wanted a 2nd Data points on the Devices, I'm certainly willing to offer myself as one.
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 8, 2012 16:07:15 GMT -5
I also would like to hear the rest of the Day- just to see what has happened to Sinjin- we don't know if she has another counter, or if it's similar to yours or mine Pollux. So you may have already just started things in motion.
My guess is the devices may do different things based on the counters/ways to activate them. We don't all have similar devices, and we don't all have similar mechanisms, so while yours turned you into a Sheep, not sure what the rest of ours will do. Hence my 2nd Data point to see what the negative counters will do.
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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 8, 2012 16:31:28 GMT -5
I am in Korea. Would someone kindly post an alive/dead listing with roles on it? A lot to ask. But I will still try to vote and play. Thanks(also only on cell phone).
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 8, 2012 17:32:07 GMT -5
1. peekercpa (claimed town messenger) 2. Pollux Oil (claimed Lady Shiva, vanilla) 3. Nanook (claimed Harley Quinn, one-shot town recruiter) 4. scathach (investigated not scum by Lightfoot) 5. sinjin 6. SBrOwn 7. Suburban Plankton (claimed Mr. Freeze, roleblocker/doctor now powerless) 8. Gadarene 9. BillMc 10. texcat (claimed Ra's Al Ghul, vigilante) 11. Meeko 12. Mahaloth (claimed Solomon Grunday, scotsman-ish, recruited by Nanook) 13. Hal Briston
THE DEAD
1. Astral Rejection, RATCATCHER (Investigative) 2. Inner Stickler, ALEXEI ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based) 3. Archangel, CALENDAR MAN (Vanilla) 4. Rysto, HUGO STRANGE (Investigative) 5. Silver Jan, SCARECROW (Investigative) 6. Chronos, KILLER MOTH (Vanilla) 7. Sister Coyote/Dirx, VICTOR ZSASZ (Killing) 8. Lightfoot, ROBIN (Investigative) 9. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, FIREFLY (Protective) 10. Gnarlycharlie, CARMINE FALCONE (Special) 11. Total Ullz, VIKTOR ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based)
1. Special Ed, BATMAN (Special) 2. MHaye, THE PENGUIN (Special) 3. askthepizzaguy, CATWOMAN (Special) 4. Idle Thoughts, HUNTRESS (Killing)
1. Pleonast, THE JOKER (Special) 2. Guiri, TALIA AL GHUL (Special) 3. Drain Bead, THE RIDDLER (Investigative)
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There's only thirteen of us left. At least two scum left most likely. Probably at least one PFK in the devicer...who has planted five devices (while only four are still active, next round five will be half if no others are activated). If we're going to do a mass claim, it either has to be today or never. Without our investigative roles we're working with a lack of information.
Gadarene and Meeko have admitted to being blocked. Sinjin was supposedly blocked twice and said she never received a notification either way. Scathach, SBrown, Bill, and Hal are the only ones who haven't made any sort of indication at all towards their roles or powers.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 8, 2012 19:57:29 GMT -5
Here's a fun comparison list:
Roles in first Arkham game, unconfirmed to be in/not in this game: Commissioner Gordon (scum) Alfred (scum) Nightwing (scum) Batgirl (scum) Bane (town) Rehydrated Pirates (town) Clayface (town) Two-Face (town) Killer Croc (town) Hush (PFK)
Roles confirmed to be in this game, but not in Arkham #1 Ratcatcher (Town) Abramovici Twins (Town) Calendar Man (Town) Hugo Strange (Town) Killer Moth (Town) Victor Zsasz (Town) Firefly (Town) Carmine Falcone (Town) Huntress (Scum) Talia al Ghul (Third-Party)
Roles confirmed to be in this game that were in Arkham #1 Scarecrow (Town both games) Robin (Scum in #1, Town in #2) Batman (Scum both games) Penguin (PFK in #1, Scum in #2) Catwoman (Third-Party in #1, Scum in #2) The Joker (PFK in #1, Third-Party in #2) The Riddler (PFK in #1, Third-Party in #2)
Roles in Arkham #1 that were not in/cover roles in this game Mad Hatter (PFK in #1, confirmed not to be in this game) Poison Ivy (Town in #1, cover role for scum in this game)
Roles not in Arkham #1 that are claimed to be in this game Lady Shiva Solomon Grundy
Roles in Arkham #1 claimed to be in this game Harley Quinn (Town in #1) Mr. Freeze (Town in #1) Ra's Al Ghul (Town in #1)
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It's an interesting data point that most of the recurring roles revealed so far were scum/third-party/PFK in the first game, and were scum/third-party/PFK in this game as well, just switched up a bit. And most of the new roles are town.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 8, 2012 20:13:22 GMT -5
For clarification, I think we're at the point where we need information. We've lost a good deal of our investigative roles. There aren't terribly many powers left that could give us information. We're flying close to blind here. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who's against revealing information about their roles is acting anti-town and quite possibly has something to hide because of it. Gnarlycharlie had some sort of power, which begs the question: was his power a Day power? Something innate? "Special" could mean a lot of things...but does that mean Suburban was lying about his block? We don't know. We know gnarlycharlie didn't get a notification that he was blocked, but he didn't give us any indication on whether Suburban was actively caught in a lie or not. That kind of information would have been helpful in determining alignment and voting, which is why I think we should seriously consider mass claims at this point. I don't think we have terribly much to lose considering how many roles we've lost already, but as a vanilla obviously my sight on the matter is skewed. We would be flying blind already, if we all already claimed. Fishing remains Fishing. I KNOW we much to lose considering how many roles we've lost already, but as a Power Town, my sight on the matter leaves me stubborn.
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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 8, 2012 22:29:37 GMT -5
Vote sinjin
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Post by texcat on Apr 8, 2012 22:58:10 GMT -5
texcat, are you taking responsibility for one of these deaths? Yes. Sorry, Charlie.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 9, 2012 0:05:22 GMT -5
Wow, that's nice, any reason for your vote or just because? I'm cool with a claim not that I have much to claim. I admit I've played poorly this game, in part due to family considerations. I'm kind of in the dark this game. I poured over the vote record last Night and only succeeded in confusing myself. I was suspicious of all the weird investigator/other claims, mostly Lightfoot's, drainbeads, and Cookies and was proved wrong on all. I don't really know where to go from here. I can't even fault texcat because all of the people she vigged would have been on my list too if I had been a vig. I hate that I fell for Idol's "oh woe is me this is my last game ever" scthick. I just don't know.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 9, 2012 5:27:09 GMT -5
Wow, that's nice, any reason for your vote or just because? I'm cool with a claim not that I have much to claim. I admit I've played poorly this game, in part due to family considerations. I'm kind of in the dark this game. I poured over the vote record last Night and only succeeded in confusing myself. I was suspicious of all the weird investigator/other claims, mostly Lightfoot's, drainbeads, and Cookies and was proved wrong on all. I don't really know where to go from here. I can't even fault texcat because all of the people she vigged would have been on my list too if I had been a vig. I hate that I fell for Idol's "oh woe is me this is my last game ever" scthick. I just don't know. It would seem that weak votes are where the game is at now. I think that if I claim, I would be playing poorly this game. We've had claims, and we have only succeeding in lining up for the slaughter. I feel like I am in the dark as well, I said as much in the I feel like I am being had, in this game. That and three bucks will get us coffee, right?
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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 9, 2012 5:41:08 GMT -5
This is a re-vote. I figured I did not need to restate.
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Post by BillMc on Apr 9, 2012 8:03:02 GMT -5
There's only thirteen of us left. At least two scum left most likely. Probably at least one PFK in the devicer...who has planted five devices (while only four are still active, next round five will be half if no others are activated). If we're going to do a mass claim, it either has to be today or never. Without our investigative roles we're working with a lack of information. Gadarene and Meeko have admitted to being blocked. Sinjin was supposedly blocked twice and said she never received a notification either way. Scathach, SBrown, Bill, and Hal are the only ones who haven't made any sort of indication at all towards their roles or powers. I have no objection to a mass claim - although I am not sure what it will buy us at this point. We've already seen from the Penguin & Robin that names & alignment do not necessarily follow each other, and it's clear that the scum have been given cover roles. I also don't follow your "today or never" comment? Can you explain why you think this? Meeko and Gadarene claim to have been blocked - so they must have powers which they tried to use those nights. Sinjin claims she did not get a block message on either of the nights that ATPG and Plankton claimed to have blocked her -- so she has a power and is lying, she has a power and didn't act on those nights, or she is vanilla. With respect to the devices, I agree with Meeko, Nanook and Plankton's comments in the night thread - a sample size of one only tells us that the one Pollux has was non fatal - it was also the only one that counted down by his actions and his actions alone. That said, on the balance of things, it is unlikely they are fatal, so I have no problem with mine being activated. It's an interesting theory that the notes have been sent by Peeker. One of the notes indicated they were delivered at Dawn and Dusk, Peeker last posted N4, and Total got a note at the start of D5. However, the note Gadarene claimed to have gotten was a different format to those that Total etc received. Has anyone else received any notes since the start of D5?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 9, 2012 8:05:37 GMT -5
texcat, are you taking responsibility for one of these deaths? Yes. Sorry, Charlie. Why Charlie?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 9, 2012 8:07:20 GMT -5
Looking back over the voting record, there is a discrepancy: FINAL VOTE COUNT – DAY THREE askthepizzaguy (8 votes) - peekercpa (57), Nanook (89), SBrown (90), gnarlycharly (94), BillMc (97), Idle Thoughts (105), sinjin (119), Pollux Oil (243) gnarlycharly (4 votes) – Meeko (217), Lightfoot (229), Sister Coyote (233), Silver Jan (236) Idle Thoughts (2 votes) - askthepizzaguy (41), Chronos (228), Suburban Plankton (246), Rysto (1 vote) - texcat (42) sinjin (1 vote) – mahaloth (176) Hal Briston (1 vote) – scathach (227) Chronos (1 vote) – Cookies (249), Rysto (261)Meeko (1 vote) – Total Ullz Day is over. Back with Dusk presently. It appears either Chronos' or Plankton's vote on Idle didn't count; and that either Cookies' or Rysto's vote on Chronos didn't count. DAY FOUR OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT - THURSDAY AM Cookies (4 votes) - scathach (94), Mahaloth (106), Sister Coyote (165), sinjin (184) Sister Coyote (3 votes) - Pollux Oil (176), Cookies (180), SBrown (189) Lightfoot (2 votes) - gnarlycharly (29), Hal Briston (46) Hal Briston (1 vote) - Idle Thoughts (15) Pollux Oil (1 vote) - Meeko (86) gnarlycharly (1 vote) - Nanook (114) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (143) With the current vote count, Cookies would be lynched. The reading on SBrown's device is now "-42." Day Four still ends on Thursday, 29 March (that's today), at 5:00 PM Eastern (ie, in slightly more than eight hours). DAY FOUR OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT - THURSDAY 30 MINUTES TO GO Sister Coyote (6 votes) - Pollux Oil (176), Lightfoot (185), Cookies (180), SBrown (189), Total Ullz (204), texcat (273) Cookies (5 votes) - scathach (94), Mahaloth (106), Sister Coyote (165), sinjin (184), Nanook (220) Lightfoot (2 votes) - gnarlycharly (29), Hal Briston (46) Hal Briston (1 vote) - Idle Thoughts (15), Meeko (265)Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (143), BillMc (260)] With the current vote count, Sister Coyote would be lynched. The reading on SBrown's device is now "-38." Pollux’s is one less than it was before (I’m pressed for time; I’ll do a more definitive count after Dusk). Day Four still ends on Thursday, 29 March (that's today), at 5:00 PM Eastern (ie, in about 30 minutes). Meeko's vote on Hal didn't count; and my vote on Idle didn't count. Either Story has miscounted in a similar manner on both days, or someone has been cancelling votes. Story - can you confirm the final vote counts are correct for those days?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 9, 2012 9:23:57 GMT -5
Meeko's vote on Hal didn't count; and my vote on Idle didn't count. Either Story has miscounted in a similar manner on both days, or someone has been cancelling votes. Story - can you confirm the final vote counts are correct for those days?Innnnnnnnteresting. If Story confirms this, I wonder if my device has something to do with this? (Although that wouldn't explain Idle)
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 9, 2012 12:27:16 GMT -5
I have no objection to a mass claim - although I am not sure what it will buy us at this point. We've already seen from the Penguin & Robin that names & alignment do not necessarily follow each other, and it's clear that the scum have been given cover roles. I also don't follow your "today or never" comment? Can you explain why you think this? It'll at the very least net us information. Honestly, I just want to get people involved. I'm a little tired of the defeatist attitude a few people have and the lack of true analysis. I understand people may not want to go back and dig through old posts, but I feel like we're just drifting at this point. Our most verbose contributors have all died off. I feel like a mass claim would force people to actually play. Claims would lead to discussion about claims, which would force people to defend their claims and build cases on other people...instead of just sitting around with our thumbs up our butts, saying we're confused and lost. As for the now or never comment, I meant it in terms of utility. I think we're at the apex of utility for a mass claim toDay, with the number of people we have left. A mass claim after this won't be as useful because 1) we won't have as much time to analyze said claims, and 2) there won't be enough people left to make it a valid concern. --- I'll go ahead and give you an example of my frustration, and why I think a mass claim is a good idea. May I present to you, mahaloth's last 20 posts: By the way, for the record, I wondered if I would receive a scum recruitment invitation as well as Town's. I didn't. For what it is worth. Rysto's also pinging me. He seems hyper-defensive, a lot moreso than I remember him being normally. Usually he's a pretty cool, rational customer. Apart from him being on the texcat wagon, his vote on Silver Jan pinged me like a mother just from how he worded his post and how it came out of left field, well after the kerfuffle between her and Lightfoot was over. How has Rysto been hyper-defensive? I'm having a hard time understanding the case against pizza. He's...playing poorly? He's....handwaving the death of townies, even poorly playing ones like archanagel? I am re-reading now, by the way. I actually agree with Peeker about Pizza. His play this game has been terrible. I made a comment to him Yesterday about how he's been all talk about how bad Town is playing but not doing anything himself. His defense of that was basically "Scummy me would never do that!" which is of course ridiculous. I hate the reflexive "scum would totally do that!" response, since there are plenty of things scum wouldn't do, no seriously they wouldn't, but I don't think this is one of those things. And his roleclaim was marginal at best. Can you find the exchange where pizza said "scum would never do that" or whatever he said? Yeah, I haven't heard anybody chime in on that. Jan knows my name. I'm willing to guarantee that my acrostic proves my name, but if people want I'll claim my name anyway. I'll call you on it. I think you should name claim. I'm caught up. I don't get why askthepizzaguy is getting so many votes. I believe the claim and I believe he blocked sinjin, which if I am understanding things, stopped an additional NK. If I'm wrong, correct me. I've been crazy busy this Day and may not have it understood properly. Vote sinjinOh, and it was weird that he mis-coded a vote and fell back on a previous vote, but I don't think that is scummy. Really? Do you think both Idle and Sinjin are scummy? Or do you feel that they could interchangeably be lynched? Because why make an argument for why you think someone as scummiest, but then vote for them "because you're too lazy to fix your coding"? That doesn't ping you at all? I'm not sure what you are talking about in part of your post there, but no, it didn't ping me. And I don't think they are interchangeably lynched. I'm not sure if I even said something like that. I was basically asking- Do you actually believe this is a good town play by him? Or just another null behavior that you guys all seem to have of each other [/b]. [/quote] Null behavior. [/quote] Wow, good job, askthepizza. You had me fooled. Kudos to you. And good job rest of Town; you were right. Should we just fully claim at this point? Role PM's and everything? I'd like to hear Mahaloth's argument and reasons for having a mass claim now? I don't think we should. I thought perhaps it was time, but I see your points(your mean nearly everyone else, not just bill) and think we should wait. I was just asking. Vote sinjinI'm placing my vote again from yesterDay. unvote sinjinvote CookiesI almost did this earlier. It's a ridiculous idea to lynch me or Nanook. I'm going to Korea Saturday. I'll have internet access, but will be a bit busy. I should be able to play, though. Everything I've told you is the truth. When either Suburban Plankton or Gad dies, you'll see. I believe you. Good for us. Again, I leave for Korea before the start of the next Day, but will have internet there. I am in Korea. Would someone kindly post an alive/dead listing with roles on it? A lot to ask. But I will still try to vote and play. Thanks(also only on cell phone). This is a re-vote. I figured I did not need to restate. --- This is the epitome of lazy play. There has been little to no analysis or comment on things happening. He's not actively engaging in most conversations unless they're related to himself. Furthermore, he's been continuously voting sinjin based on, as far as I can see, information given to us by a known scum. And with the masons' death, he and Nanook are the closest things we have to confirmed townies. IF it wasn't for the fact I trust Nanook at this point, I'd say string mahaloth up because his contributions have been so few that he could almost be actively anti-town by not participating. Plus, the continued votes for sinjin make absolutely no sense to me.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 9, 2012 12:44:54 GMT -5
And here's a handy list of my suspicions at the moment:
Possible Scum List peekercpa SBrOwn Meeko
Leaning Town on List sinjin Suburban Plankton BillMc texcat
Most Likely Town, Alternatively Scum Playing Best Gambit Ever Nanook Mahaloth
No Read Gadarene
Leaning 3rd Party/PFK scathach Hal Briston
Know I'm Town Pollux Oil
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Let's see how wrong I am once the spoiler boards open.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 9, 2012 12:53:13 GMT -5
If people aren't up for a mass claim, I suggest we do something like...lynch peeker (since he's disappeared anyway)...then tonight texcat can kill mahaloth and thereby confirm Nanook (and mahaloth when he resurrects, supposedly). Now, it's unlikely that scum will target myself, Nanook, or Suburban since we've all effectively claimed vanilla at this point but none of us are confirmed and are still suspicious. They won't target texcat because her misfires are keeping them in the game at this point, the more death at Night the better for scum.
Basically, that means they'll target out of the rest of the pool. I'm assuming at least one out of those of you keeping cagey about your powers and refusing to mass claim are a doctor that can self-protect or something similar since we've only had two doctor roles so far, both of which had serious drawbacks. Which means there's a chance the scum will try and kill someone and fail which would be nice, because then we'd get mahaloth back (supposedly) and we'd have a net loss of 0 at Night and gain a confirmed town. Or we'd out mahaloth and Nanook as scum and that'd be a win too.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 9, 2012 12:55:14 GMT -5
Although I must say, if there is a normal doctor role out there that can protect anyone with no drawbacks, you and I are going to have words when the game is over because you missed a few glaringly obvious protects these past few Nights.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 9, 2012 14:29:46 GMT -5
Although I must say, if there is a normal doctor role out there that can protect anyone with no drawbacks, you and I are going to have words when the game is over because you missed a few glaringly obvious protects these past few Nights. I very much doubt there is a 'normal' Doctor in this game. Look at all of the roles we've seen so far; they pretty much all have some limitation. We had a whole handful of Cop roles, all of which were limited to a specific type of investigation. I had a Doc role, but I blocked my target. We have Nanook and peeker both claiming one-shot abilities, and mahaloth with a two-shot ability. Having just written that, it makes me wonder about texcat. Sister Coyote, our confirmed (because she's dead) Town Vig, was compulsive, with limited exceptions. texcat I beleive is the only person who has claimed an 'unlimited' ability. It stands out in rather stark contrast to all of the other claims.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 9, 2012 14:35:54 GMT -5
If people aren't up for a mass claim, I suggest we do something like...lynch peeker (since he's disappeared anyway)...then tonight texcat can kill mahaloth and thereby confirm Nanook (and mahaloth when he resurrects, supposedly). Now, it's unlikely that scum will target myself, Nanook, or Suburban since we've all effectively claimed vanilla at this point but none of us are confirmed and are still suspicious. They won't target texcat because her misfires are keeping them in the game at this point, the more death at Night the better for scum. Basically, that means they'll target out of the rest of the pool. I'm assuming at least one out of those of you keeping cagey about your powers and refusing to mass claim are a doctor that can self-protect or something similar since we've only had two doctor roles so far, both of which had serious drawbacks. Which means there's a chance the scum will try and kill someone and fail which would be nice, because then we'd get mahaloth back (supposedly) and we'd have a net loss of 0 at Night and gain a confirmed town. Or we'd out mahaloth and Nanook as scum and that'd be a win too. why exactly are you leaning Scum on peeker? Is it stricly because of the timing of the mysterious PMs, or is there something else?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 9, 2012 15:40:10 GMT -5
I very much doubt there is a 'normal' Doctor in this game. Look at all of the roles we've seen so far; they pretty much all have some limitation. We had a whole handful of Cop roles, all of which were limited to a specific type of investigation. I had a Doc role, but I blocked my target. We have Nanook and peeker both claiming one-shot abilities, and mahaloth with a two-shot ability. Having just written that, it makes me wonder about texcat. Sister Coyote, our confirmed (because she's dead) Town Vig, was compulsive, with limited exceptions. texcat I beleive is the only person who has claimed an 'unlimited' ability. It stands out in rather stark contrast to all of the other claims. That's true, but keep in mind we actually don't know the powers of a lot of the dead people. Astral and Rysto could have been normal cops, we have no idea what gnarly's powers were....Ed, Mhaye, and Askthepizzaguy were all described as "special" for scum. Same for guiri as a third-party. I'm not confident on texcat being town, but I am 99% sure she isn't scum at this point, and I'd rather nail down a scum first because if she's a serial killer PFK type, the scum will have to kill her eventually and she's probably further away from a serial killer win condition than the scum and the devicer, should the devicer also be PFK. why exactly are you leaning Scum on peeker? Is it stricly because of the timing of the mysterious PMs, or is there something else? It's partly because of the messages. They seem to have stopped since peeker went AWOL-ish. Circumstances around the messages are weird, though, because the messages were almost all propaganda aside from the one Gadarene got. I'm also iffy on peeker's choice of saying both him and Gadarene are town, then suddenly removing his assurances Days later. And then after he removed assurances Gadarene was a townie, he disappeared. Peeker's disappeared as scum before, too, so...I dunno. I'm partly wanting to lynch him because he's contributed 0 for the past two Days at the very least. We may lose a town number but we're not losing a participant. On the other hand, we don't have very many vocal participants anyway....so I guess it doesn't really matter either way. I will ask this question, though: Does anybody still consider peeker semi-confirmed town? I could be the only one that's wondering about the authenticity of the original message to Gadarene. Personally, I'd like it if Gadarene could ask our mod a few questions about the PM he received in private to help sort the issue out.
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