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Post by RoOsh on Mar 19, 2008 15:04:55 GMT -5
Here we go. Just continue using this thread as a continuation of Day 1.
Just call this Day1.2 or something, and Day 1.0 for the other one..
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 15:11:32 GMT -5
@ Roosh from part 1.
I can see the post numbers just fine in the normal thread. It's only when I view the posts of a player (profile of the player at the bottom of the page) that I am no longer able to see what post number in the thread it is. And when I click the link it doesn't take me to that post in context.
We may have just lost that feature in the board update we had a while back. No biggie. I did notice that the member list has been disabled though.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 15:12:31 GMT -5
ok,
part 3 in a series
-Hal Ok before I start, I don’t have a good reason to suspect Hal yet other than he didn’t do anything to place himself onto my “clean” list and has been pinging me hard. (My scumdar has recently proven itself to be out of whack, but I figure it is enough to keep him off my neutral list) so he is #2 on my list, I am interested to see what a recap of his posts will bring.
Night 0: No posts. (maybe that means something, maybe not) Day 1: Brings up bizarre roles in previous games (in response to a question from zuma) Thinks that the color indicates a second scum group involving the police. Links to a wiki article on minor batman characters. He thinks story’s name claim plan is great. It might out some power roles, but not many. Scum faking a name could only help the town. We KNOW Batman is scum, nothing else. Votes pro reveal officially. Hopes that Batman will lie about a claim and then get caught Post linking to a post Roosh made re: the game setup Thinks masons will have a separate or additional win condition (like in M3) Talks more about M3 masons Talks about capitalization in his role PM Answers the question from Rysto that I still don’t understand (maybe I am slow today?) Brings up cannon color re: zuma’s name claim Points out where DB failed to mean the post restriction. Pokes Rysto re: info he knows about DB Tells kassia that if me and mole aren’t masons there would have probably been a counter claim. Re reads kassia’s post and then agrees that me and mole are being too secretive (sorry, but you have to trust me on this one Hal it really is for the best) Guesses about DBs character Asks kassia why there would be a scum mason group. After having the ventriloquist character pointed out he takes back the batgirl bit.
You know what bugs me Hal? You haven’t said a single thing I think is scummy. I don’t think I have ever seen that before. I am not sure that it is scummy that you haven’t done anything scummy…but it sure is surprising.
Still no vote.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2008 15:17:20 GMT -5
@ Roosh from part 1. I can see the post numbers just fine in the normal thread. It's only when I view the posts of a player (profile of the player at the bottom of the page) that I am no longer able to see what post number in the thread it is. And when I click the link it doesn't take me to that post in context. We may have just lost that feature in the board update we had a while back. No biggie. I did notice that the member list has been disabled though. I notice the same thing, wheather searching on keywords or pulling up all the posts of a player. The actual post number seems to be replaced by a "search results" number, which would be fine if I could still use the "link to this post" link to...well...link to the post Or to at least take me to the post so that I can copy and paste the url myself. But that link just takes me to the first post of the thread.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 15:27:38 GMT -5
I was confused why Hal thought that the second scum group was the police when his Role PM said that it's a group "playing for keeps" and the colour that I'd long since quoted seemed to be pretty clear that it was a bunch of villains who made up another scum group.
But to be honest, the more I look at things the more I think that I was completely barking up the wrong tree. When I went after Smurf it was because he slipped and used the phrase "Do Gooders". When I was playing a Witch in Conspiracy we caught fluiddruid for making a similar slip(well, actually we didn't catch her but that's a whole other story). The mistake I made was not properly accounting for the fact that it was just as reasonable for a townie to know the phrase "Do-Gooder". To be honest, I think that I have been trying way too hard to catch people in "slips" when it's just as reasonable that townies would make the same mistakes, so I'm going back to the drawing board with my suspicions.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 15:56:42 GMT -5
Post (what am I on now, 4?) let's call it 4 in a series.
Well...those were my top two suspects. And I feel differently about both of them now than I did when I started.
The other people on my suspicion list are HM (bottom of the list) sinjin and Santo Rugger (tied for 3rd).
I don't think I can do Santo today. I was going to ask someone else to do him for me, but the process of going through all the posts is surprisingly revealing. So if someone wants to do Santo, great, but I still think I will do him myself too.
I will try to do Sinjin next and then HM if I have time.
I would like to say why these people are the ones on my list though. All of them did two things...failed to clear themselves (for now) in the molegate or the win conditon conversations...and pinged my scumdar. The list is in no way accusitory, just a list of folks I am looking into carefully. It's just what I am using as a starting point.
As for how I cleared people. I didn't use any hidden information. Everything I took into consideration is in the thread. I looked at what people revealed and when/how they revealed it. I think I got rid of about 5 people this way. Then I took off a couple of participants in molegate that I am less sure about, but sure enough about.
I am going back and forth on giving specific names, becuase if you go back and look for yourselves I think you will come to similar conclusions...and my lists really have caused nothing but trouble in the past. Story has a point, I don't want to make this a magic bag, but I don't want to put anyone on a pedestal either.
So this is where I am now.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 16:11:51 GMT -5
post 5 in a series:
crap, sinjin belongs on the cleared list.
Sorry sin.
Since it is out there, this is the post that I think cleared him as well as my reasoning (again sorry for no post number)
It was in response to Rysto saying that a win condition matched his "exactly".
If the scum don't know what is going on with win conditions, they don't know that it isn't crazy to then correct the townie who said that and ask if they didn't really mean "almost exactly."
It isn't proof that sinj is town, but it is good enough for me to spend my time elsewhere.
But Sinj...post more, please?
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 19, 2008 16:35:11 GMT -5
You know what bugs me Hal? You haven’t said a single thing I think is scummy. Ok, I'll do my best to act scummier in the future. And with the obvious sarcasm is out of the way, I'm going to have to admit -- I get it. There were a couple of few posts I made where I thought to myself "Well, someone will probably jump all up my ass for that", but it really hasn't happened. It's all subjective, of course, but I can see how someone can look "too town". But there really isn't much of a defense I can mount now, is there?
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 16:42:47 GMT -5
You know what bugs me Hal? You haven’t said a single thing I think is scummy. Ok, I'll do my best to act scummier in the future. And with the obvious sarcasm is out of the way, I'm going to have to admit -- I get it. There were a couple of few posts I made where I thought to myself "Well, someone will probably jump all up my ass for that", but it really hasn't happened. It's all subjective, of course, but I can see how someone can look "too town". But there really isn't much of a defense I can mount now, is there? Well that is more or less why I didn't vote for you at the end of the post. I have been a proponant of people needing to act like good townies. I can't really turn around and vote for someone who did. The time scale is just too short. It was weird though.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 19, 2008 16:43:08 GMT -5
<snip> I don't think I can do Santo today. I was going to ask someone else to do him for me... So if someone wants to do Santo, great, but I still think I will do him myself too.<snip> Nice! Any takers?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 16:47:59 GMT -5
<snip> I don't think I can do Santo today. I was going to ask someone else to do him for me... So if someone wants to do Santo, great, but I still think I will do him myself too.<snip> Nice! Any takers? You slut! ;D
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -5
NAF, how do you search for all posts by a player in a thread? I found the search button but it doesn't seem to let me search by poster name.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 16:48:35 GMT -5
Og I suck at code.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 19, 2008 16:50:08 GMT -5
Rysto, just click on their name next to their posts.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 19, 2008 16:53:57 GMT -5
To answer questions that have come up over the last 10 pages or so (jeez you guys are prolific--how's a sick girl to keep up?), yes, I have a posting restriction, and I think it's pretty ogvious as to what it is. I have geen trying to use that letter as little as possible. I knew eventually someone would catch on (there's only so much you can avoid saying Gatman in Gatman mafia, after all), which is why I was in favor of the name claim. I figured that would get it all out of the way with a minimum of fuss and muss and people actually wasting time going through all my posts to see if I used the offending letter somewhere. And for the record, night posts count too, which is why I got pissed after I made a seemingly innocuous post about gutterscotch pie. Pretty much what this goils down to is that I hate you, Roosh.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 19, 2008 16:59:49 GMT -5
All that having geen said, I've noticed that Santo Rugger seems to ge trying to start gandwagons on people. He's doing a lot of what I did on Day One of Firefly as scum--jump from gandwagon to gandwagon, force a role claim, and then say "Oh, crap" and move on to the next victim. I want to re-read the thread gefore I vote (I recall the logic he used for at least one vote to ge flimsy as hell, gut I'm sick and having trouble rememgering details), gut right now I think it's definitely worth a FOS Santo Rugger.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 19, 2008 17:10:26 GMT -5
All that having geen said, I've noticed that Santo Rugger seems to ge trying to start gandwagons on people. He's doing a lot of what I did on Day One of Firefly as scum--jump from gandwagon to gandwagon, force a role claim, and then say "Oh, crap" and move on to the next victim. I want to re-read the thread gefore I vote (I recall the logic he used for at least one vote to ge flimsy as hell, gut I'm sick and having trouble rememgering details), gut right now I think it's definitely worth a FOS Santo Rugger. I've placed one vote, for Rysto, and he didn't even have any votes on him. My logic for that was to get him to explain himself. IMHO, that's not flimsy at all. I pointed out a single reason that may have validated Hockey's call-out post. But I really don't understand how you could say I want to jump from gandwagon to gandwagon when there's only been one gandwagon to speak of, IMHO. Furthermore, I'm probably one of the most outspoken players that jumping from player to player, getting a role claim, and moving on, is one of the most horrible ways for the town as a whole to play. Regardless of my alignment, acting the way you say I am would be stupid, because it'd get instantly called out (if there were any actual evidence to back that up). I demanded info from molefan, and placed a vote for him, which is the only gandwagon of any type I've been involved with. I mean, the guy said he was getting PMs, and Diomedes supposedly didn't know he was referring to an off site board that the mods set up? That demanded a vote, IMHO. I'm still suspicious of those two, as their stories don't exactly match up, but I've tucked that away for later scrutiny. If they're something else besides town-aligned, it'll show up eventually. I do think it's cute, though, drangead, that you placed an FOS on me based on your but! (gut)
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 19, 2008 17:14:08 GMT -5
It really does sound like you have a cold, you know?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 17:16:00 GMT -5
Something I need to put out there. My role PM states that I am "definitely a Baddie". When I go back and read that along with the color in the win condition, I get the impression that there are other people with canonical villian names that are not Baddies like me, but maybe pseudo-Baddies that can win with the Town, but have their own agenda and win condition. After thinking about it, I don't think name claims are going to do us much good.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 19, 2008 17:33:07 GMT -5
Short of finding out there is definitely an anti-town faction looking for specific role names, I'm going to stay with my pro-name-reveal stance. I know it's a risk, but I think it'd be worth it. Maybe we'll get screwed over by it, but I think there's just as good a chance that we'd benefit from it. However, this is nothing that hasn't already been covered, so if others don't feel the need, I can live with that.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 19, 2008 17:49:10 GMT -5
Something I need to put out there. My role PM states that I am "definitely a Baddie". When I go back and read that along with the color in the win condition, I get the impression that there are other people with canonical villian names that are not Baddies like me, but maybe pseudo-Baddies that can win with the Town, but have their own agenda and win condition. After thinking about it, I don't think name claims are going to do us much good. No, but posts like this are doing us little bits and pieces of good. My role PM also uses the construction "definitely a Baddie." Obviously, there is no way for you to confirm the truth of this from my end, but from my perspective you look like another likely Townsperson. This is an interesting approach that I don't think we've ever tried before - keep eliminating possible targets as likely town for whatever reason, and increase our odds of a successful lynch. I like it, and feel a bit more confident than on the average Day One, which almost certainly means we're due for a massive comeuppance. Well, we'll see.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 18:16:30 GMT -5
Something I need to put out there. My role PM states that I am "definitely a Baddie". When I go back and read that along with the color in the win condition, I get the impression that there are other people with canonical villian names that are not Baddies like me, but maybe pseudo-Baddies that can win with the Town, but have their own agenda and win condition. After thinking about it, I don't think name claims are going to do us much good. I just saw that post and had to go back and check my own pm. The word definitely isn't in mine. But it does say I am a baddie. maybe it's a mason thing? hmmm No, but posts like this are doing us little bits and pieces of good. My role PM also uses the construction "definitely a Baddie." Obviously, there is no way for you to confirm the truth of this from my end, but from my perspective you look like another likely Townsperson. This is an interesting approach that I don't think we've ever tried before - keep eliminating possible targets as likely town for whatever reason, and increase our odds of a successful lynch. I like it, and feel a bit more confident than on the average Day One, which almost certainly means we're due for a massive comeuppance. Well, we'll see. Agreed. Like I said, I think I have already cleared several people.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 18:19:06 GMT -5
Mine also contains the phrase "most definitely a baddie". The format of my PM is as follows:
Name: <name> Alignment: Baddie (Town) Role/Abilities: <role> <technical description of role>
Flavor: <Wikipedia Excerpt> [From Wikipedia, feel free to study it and learn more about yourself]
You are <name>, a most definitely a Baddie. <description of role and how it relates to my name>
Your Goal: You win when the Town Wins. All the Scummy Do Gooders must be Defeated, and any other threats maliciously playing for keeps against the Baddies defeated as well.
"a most definitely a Baddie" is copied directly from my Role PM. Most of this was already revealed in Mr. Freeze's name claim.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 19, 2008 18:19:17 GMT -5
My role PM does not say "definitely a Gaddie" anywhere. Anyone else?
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Post by Gir! on Mar 19, 2008 18:25:08 GMT -5
Mine follows Rysto's format, except where his says "You are <name>, a most definitely a Baddie." mine says "You are <name>, and definitely a Baddie."
Well, and "Playing for Keeps" is capitalized.
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Post by Gir! on Mar 19, 2008 18:40:25 GMT -5
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 18:41:13 GMT -5
No, but posts like this are doing us little bits and pieces of good. My role PM also uses the construction "definitely a Baddie." Obviously, there is no way for you to confirm the truth of this from my end, but from my perspective you look like another likely Townsperson. This is an interesting approach that I don't think we've ever tried before - keep eliminating possible targets as likely town for whatever reason, and increase our odds of a successful lynch. I like it, and feel a bit more confident than on the average Day One, which almost certainly means we're due for a massive comeuppance. Well, we'll see. I think that we need to watch out for is making sure we only give pro-Town points for revealing pieces of information that pro-Town players would have. I'll use my own revelation as an example. The only new piece of information that I gave was the "You are <name>, ..." bit. But my Role PM could have easily have said "You are Batman, a most definitely a Do-Gooder". If the rest of my Role PM matches the format of the PM that Frood revealed, it wouldn't be a stretch for me to guess that "most definitely a Baddie" would come in the same place. Dark Smurf revealing the Town win condition, on the other hand, is a pretty strong sign that he's pro-Town IMO. So I agree that this is useful, but we have to be careful about what revelations are actually signs of being pro-Town.
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Post by Koldanar on Mar 19, 2008 18:46:35 GMT -5
Can we be sure this isn't a case of no pm role standardization, and not bastard modding? I'm in NAF's camp; I didn't get the whole "definitely a baddie" but my alignment is most definitely listed as Baddie(town).
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Post by Gir! on Mar 19, 2008 18:53:35 GMT -5
Something I need to put out there. My role PM states that I am "definitely a Baddie". When I go back and read that along with the color in the win condition, I get the impression that there are other people with canonical villian names that are not Baddies like me, but maybe pseudo-Baddies that can win with the Town, but have their own agenda and win condition. After thinking about it, I don't think name claims are going to do us much good. Well, not even pseudo-Baddies that win with Town, but one or more SKs or other-scum-group (i.e. the "Playing for Keeps" people, who likely are canon villians who have their own win condition). What gives you the impression they win with the Town (since our--or at least my--goal says we have to defeat them to win)? Or are you positing yet an additional group? Well, maybe a Survivor-type role, but probably not multiple ones of those.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 19:09:27 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make is that revealing names won't gain much for us. There could be several win conditions, I was just making an example. I at the very least think there are three.
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