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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 20, 2008 6:48:46 GMT -5
Also, Kat, interesting point you made on that inconsistency with NAF, and I would like to see his explanation for saying that.
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Post by brewha on Mar 20, 2008 7:08:58 GMT -5
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My first post just acknowledged that there was a b->g issue going on. I wasn't sure the reason but it was obvious that it had been going on since day one. At this time I thought that the mods were just randomly fucking with her.
In the second post about the issue, I had put it together that Drainbead was making a conscious effort to avoid the letter 'b'. This made me realize that she was aware of the restriction and that there might be more going on. I hadn't quite put it all together yet.
So to answer your question, I only had it partially worked out during my first post. My second post actually was me catching up on the situation.
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Post by ryjae on Mar 20, 2008 8:26:22 GMT -5
I was and still am "loose" with my voting because all the hoopla on voting early in the other game. I placed my vote based on the most suspicion at the time. Meanwhile if you noticed I went back through the posts and posted (and unvoted) that it had to be a mod thing because her b button wasn't broken.
The only stupid vote I did was on molefan, stupid because if I had played longer I would have realized what he trying to protect. Not knowing though I cast my vote on him in a piss poor manner.
My vote on diggit while seemingly wrong, was done because he himself in his first post in the game said lurkers should be pressured then managed an amazingly low post count which he came and explained. Which is what I used my vote to cause.
My vote on Drainbead was based on pure suspicion at the time. And was promptly removed before who she was even revealed after I went back through all her posts. Speaking of loose voting I need to
Unvote Diggitcamera
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 20, 2008 8:27:15 GMT -5
I addressed it in my unvote of drainbead, but I'll say it again. It never occured to me that she had a posting restriction as I have never been in such a game before. When she said she copied and pasted her win condition, I thought she was lying, hence my initial vote. When it was brought up that the Mods were fucking with us, I thought that meant you thought they were editing her posts. I feel like an idiot for not picking up on it.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 8:55:37 GMT -5
Well, three answers from those I asked. A couple of notes: brewha: For the moment I'll accept it pending anything further coming out. ryjae: Your vote is a measure of your intention. Don't cheapen it by throwing it around (Yeah, I'm one to talk ) I'm not totally down with you being scum, but you are heading that way. FOS ryjae for throwing your vote around. Hockey Monkey: Sorry Hockey Monkey, I don't buy it. I haven't played in a post restriction game (unless you count lolcats). If drainbead was scum, all she had to do was copy and paste from other people in the same thread, never mind type out her own win condition. I can't see her getting something like that wrong, especially as it would sign her own lynch form. This combined with Day 1 #464 makes me think that you were looking for a lynch victim and not for scum. If you had searched her posts, as you say, how could you not notice the restriction? I can't say whether she is or is not scum, but your vote just seemed so opportunistic. So, and this feels weird, for the second time today. vote Hockey Monkey
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 20, 2008 9:02:40 GMT -5
I'm trying to find scum. Scum lie. I thought Drain lied. I voted for Drain. After explaination, I unvoted.
Just because you were able to make the post restriction connection doesn't mean we all did. I already feel like a dumbass. Rub it in why dontcha?
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Post by zuma on Mar 20, 2008 9:07:46 GMT -5
ryjae: Your vote is a measure of your intention. Don't cheapen it by throwing it around (Yeah, I'm one to talk ) I'm not totally down with you being scum, but you are heading that way. FOS ryjae for throwing your vote around. catinasuit: Can you expand on what your problem with rjae's voting is? Not accusing you of anything, just curious what your problem with his voting is...
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 9:11:34 GMT -5
I'm trying to find scum. Scum lie. I thought Drain lied. I voted for Drain. After explaination, I unvoted. I also think you are being less than honest with the truth, hence my vote for you.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 20, 2008 9:30:10 GMT -5
<snip>Right now I'm thinking us newbs should probably stick together. It's worth mentioning, Santo-style,<snip> Two things really stood out in this post, kudos to you for putting them right next to each other. First, you are not a newb. When the day started and I first started reading your posts, I thought to myself, "wow, we've got an experienced player coming into our group, which is awesome". I even pointed out that, even if you were scum, you would be an eventual asset to our group as a whole. Bringing in new experience to a group that's been described as beginning to stagnate is the best solution to said stagnation. This means, you know better than to lump posters together. Why do the newbs (which you are, IMHO not), need to stick together? Newbs have just as great of a chance to be scum as a grizzled veteran. While I understand cutting the newbs some slack, asking them to stick together is a horrible, horrible idea. Second, around 70-80% of my previous experience has been as scum, so when I bring up a line of thinking from a strategy I used in a previous game, it's more often than not going to be from a time I was scum, and that needs to point it out. It's only "Santo-style"when you consider that, in the past, I was often scum. I thought I pointed that out in an OOG post yesterday, but I must have forgotten or you must have missed it.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 9:36:42 GMT -5
ryjae: Your vote is a measure of your intention. Don't cheapen it by throwing it around (Yeah, I'm one to talk ) I'm not totally down with you being scum, but you are heading that way. FOS ryjae for throwing your vote around. catinasuit: Can you expand on what your problem with rjae's voting is? Not accusing you of anything, just curious what your problem with his voting is... Partly, self interest. Watching votes move around is part of how I find scum. If he switches around a lot, it becomes harder to tell for me. But mainly, if he is a new player, he may not realise that jumping on every bandwagon and current suspicion is not a good idea. I know I did the same on the first Day of the Firefly Game. That was such a fun first Day. Currently, I believe he is walking a fine line between newbie and scum.
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Post by zuma on Mar 20, 2008 9:50:43 GMT -5
OK. I'm more upset that so few votes have been cast. I'll cut someone some slack for switching votes around. At least they're putting something on record. We're gonna have a last-hour rushed lynch again, aren't we?
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 9:53:10 GMT -5
OK. I'm more upset that so few votes have been cast. I'll cut someone some slack for switching votes around. At least they're putting something on record. We're gonna have a last-hour rushed lynch again, aren't we? It's a fair point given the current state of this game. Yes, we are probably going to have another last minute lynch. It would be nice otherwise, but probably not going to happen.
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Post by Koldanar on Mar 20, 2008 9:55:38 GMT -5
It's unfortunate too, considering the amount of discussion, there's alot more room to hide in. I'm going through today and trying to setup a spreadsheet w/ a very short synopsis of each post and notes about who is trustworthy or not; depending on how much homework i need to do tonight, I'd like to post later or early tomorrow with a definite vote. Put me in the newb crew right now; I didn't do my homework here (but I'm definitely starting to see things to watch for, how to post, and how not to get bandwagoned by scum on your first day)
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 20, 2008 9:56:48 GMT -5
Okay, I went back and was rereading Day One Part One, and came across something that strikes me as...wrong. NAF's claimed mason, right? Right here (Do these links work for people, or should I not bother?): psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=290&page=9#18606And yet, his very first post, he says " Do masons have a seperate win condition, is there a serial killer, are there potentially multiple scum factions etc etc, are all things we need to look out for." (bolding mine) Right here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=290&page=2#18365If he's a mason, he would know whether or not masons have a separate win condition. Why wonder about it publicly? If they do have one, why would a mason want it speculated about, it'd just bring suspicion onto the masons later. And if they don't have one, why would a mason want it speculated about, it'd just bring suspicion onto the masons later. So, NAF, what was your reasoning behind that comment? Sure, someone else would have brought it up at some point (and at least one person did, IIRC), but why did you? I brought it up becasue these are the things we should be talking about. Look at the context, it was a post about suggested topics. Mason's win with the town, I wanted to get people talking. I'm not sure what's strange about that.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 20, 2008 10:02:26 GMT -5
This means, you know better than to lump posters together. Why do the newbs (which you are, IMHO not), need to stick together? Newbs have just as great of a chance to be scum as a grizzled veteran. While I understand cutting the newbs some slack, asking them to stick together is a horrible, horrible idea. Thank you -- I'm glad to see it wasn't just me who found that to be incredibly suspicious. I can't think of any logical reason that players should "stick together", unless they know they're on the same team. So unless the mods decided ahead of time that "All first-timers, plus NAF, will be [Insert group here -- scum, masons, P4K, whatever]", then this makes little sense to me. It's only because of the backed-up mason claim that I hold back on a mole-vote, but with their loyalties unconfirmed, that could change.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 20, 2008 10:06:22 GMT -5
Okay, I went back and was rereading Day One Part One, and came across something that strikes me as...wrong. NAF's claimed mason, right? Right here (Do these links work for people, or should I not bother?): psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=290&page=9#18606And yet, his very first post, he says " Do masons have a seperate win condition, is there a serial killer, are there potentially multiple scum factions etc etc, are all things we need to look out for." (bolding mine) Right here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=290&page=2#18365If he's a mason, he would know whether or not masons have a separate win condition. Why wonder about it publicly? If they do have one, why would a mason want it speculated about, it'd just bring suspicion onto the masons later. And if they don't have one, why would a mason want it speculated about, it'd just bring suspicion onto the masons later. So, NAF, what was your reasoning behind that comment? Sure, someone else would have brought it up at some point (and at least one person did, IIRC), but why did you? I brought it up becasue these are the things we should be talking about. Look at the context, it was a post about suggested topics. Mason's win with the town, I wanted to get people talking. I'm not sure what's strange about that. NETA: suggested topics for discussion so we can figure out the setup. I don't know that it was clear in my last post, and I am not sure how many people are actually going to check the context. Drain-Did you check the context? Kat- I know you know better than that. That was sloppy. FOS KatI need to take a closer look at what you have said before I vote.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 20, 2008 10:06:40 GMT -5
<snip>Put me in the newb crew right now<snip> No. There's no such thing as a newb crew! As I just finished saying, lumping players together is bad, bad, bad. If X is scum, then Y is town is a horrible way to think, because there's a chance they're both town. Or both scum. But only scum know that, so they can manipulate the groups two get two people lynched, or no people lynched. I'm not really articulating why it's bad right now, perhaps somebody can help me out, but I know it's already been mentioned at least once in this Game.
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Post by brewha on Mar 20, 2008 10:07:53 GMT -5
It's getting to be go time. If nothing else I'm hoping that everyone will get a vote in for the record. So far, when by scumdar gets a blip, I've gone back through that person's post history to find evidnece of scumminess. And so far, everytime, I've come up with enough protown remarks and actions to drop the line of thinking. Everytime except for looking back at Catinasuit's posts.
What got me thinking about him was his vote for HockeyMonkey. So I went back through his posts. While nothing was obviously scummy, there was nothing obviously protown. There were a few things like the being anti-name reveal and how he seems to be throwing suspicion around hoping that it will stick with someone. I don't find any of his allegations of other posters reason enough to attract suspicion - much less enough to warrant a vote.
Then again, he might just be a talkative townie. And I know what that's like. It sucks that I can't give him any particular instance for which he can defend or explain, but overall he just seems scummy to me.
Unless I'm shown something that obviously puts him on our side or eliminates him from the do-gooder side:
Vote CatInASuit
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Post by zuma on Mar 20, 2008 10:09:05 GMT -5
Yes, we are probably going to have another last minute lynch. It would be nice otherwise, but probably not going to happen. Might as well just spin the roulette wheel. Everyone is going to have a claim, and we need time to evaluate them. If we have yet another last-minute lynch, we risk offing someone we don't want to kill.
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Post by brewha on Mar 20, 2008 10:12:05 GMT -5
NETA: The reason CatInASuit's vote for HockeyMonkey seemed suspicious is that I did a post analysis on her and found a few things that seemed very protown. Not neccesarily enough to confirm her as town, but enough to eliminate her from under suspicion. And certainly enough to keep from voting for her.
After re-reading my post I realized I wasn't clear on that part.
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Post by Koldanar on Mar 20, 2008 10:16:17 GMT -5
<snip>Put me in the newb crew right now<snip> No. There's no such thing as a newb crew! As I just finished saying, lumping players together is bad, bad, bad. If X is scum, then Y is town is a horrible way to think, because there's a chance they're both town. Or both scum. But only scum know that, so they can manipulate the groups two get two people lynched, or no people lynched. I'm not really articulating why it's bad right now, perhaps somebody can help me out, but I know it's already been mentioned at least once in this Game. Bah...that was tongue-in-cheek. Sorry if it didn't come off that way, was purely meant as humor.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 20, 2008 10:25:54 GMT -5
NETA: The reason CatInASuit's vote for HockeyMonkey seemed suspicious is that I did a post analysis on her and found a few things that seemed very protown. Not neccesarily enough to confirm her as town, but enough to eliminate her from under suspicion. And certainly enough to keep from voting for her. After re-reading my post I realized I wasn't clear on that part. I am thinking like you are brewha (I don't know if that is good ) but I have HM on my probably town list. She was the first to mention the "definitly a baddie" thing. I don't have that in my PM (I just have baddie), but unless the scum were given something (a safe PM claim? Seems unlikely, but then Roosh and Dio are the mods) it seems like a bit risk to take if she was scum. SO, I am leaving her alone for now. I also looked at Kat, and other than some faulty reasoning and a strong desire to catch people in contradictions that aren't really contradictions (she did the same thing to ryjae earlier in the Day) I don't really feel like she is scum. I don't feel like she is town, but I don't feel like she is scum. She should post more too. My list of people I am willing to vote for toDay is getting frighteningly short. It makes me think I am working with some bad assumptions. I will try to post less toDay (so I don't down out other conversation) and will figure out some way to come up with a vote within the next hour or so.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 20, 2008 10:36:23 GMT -5
I'm trying to find scum. Scum lie. I thought Drain lied. I voted for Drain. After explaination, I unvoted. I also think you are being less than honest with the truth, hence my vote for you. I don't have any reason or motivation to lie. It is what it is. Sometimes my synapses don't fire on all 8 cylinders.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 20, 2008 10:41:47 GMT -5
I brought it up becasue these are the things we should be talking about. Look at the context, it was a post about suggested topics. Mason's win with the town, I wanted to get people talking. I'm not sure what's strange about that. NETA: suggested topics for discussion so we can figure out the setup. I don't know that it was clear in my last post, and I am not sure how many people are actually going to check the context. Drain-Did you check the context? Kat- I know you know better than that. That was sloppy. FOS KatI need to take a closer look at what you have said before I vote. I did check the context, and I'm not sure how it exonerates you or invalidates Kat's point in any way. It didn't seem like it was designed to get people talking agout the issues--it was a throwaway line in a ramgly post that really had no reason to ge there. You know what win conditions the masons have if you are one, and the rest of the masons do as well. So why would you have any need to see the rest of us waste time speculating over it? I can see anyone else trying to gring that up as a topic of discussion, gut not a mason.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 10:42:06 GMT -5
I don't have any reason or motivation to lie. It is what it is. Sometimes my synapses don't fire on all 8 cylinders. Once I can get this search engine to fire, NAF1138 seems to think you are cleared from details gathered from your role PM. I still think your vote was scummy, but may be offering apologies soon enough, if NAF1138 is correct. PS: brewha - pro-town does not equal town. See Pleonast YSI Mafia.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 20, 2008 10:47:28 GMT -5
NETA: suggested topics for discussion so we can figure out the setup. I don't know that it was clear in my last post, and I am not sure how many people are actually going to check the context. Drain-Did you check the context? Kat- I know you know better than that. That was sloppy. FOS KatI need to take a closer look at what you have said before I vote. I did check the context, and I'm not sure how it exonerates you or invalidates Kat's point in any way. It didn't seem like it was designed to get people talking agout the issues--it was a throwaway line in a ramgly post that really had no reason to ge there. You know what win conditions the masons have if you are one, and the rest of the masons do as well. So why would you have any need to see the rest of us waste time speculating over it? I can see anyone else trying to gring that up as a topic of discussion, gut not a mason. Why not? Masons were on my mind when I wrote it. The post is rambling, but what I am saying is that we need to try to crack the setup quickly and to do so we need to talk about these things. I then listed a few things off the top of my head, and like I said, masons were on my mind. Again, I don't know why this is strange.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 20, 2008 10:49:36 GMT -5
I don't have any reason or motivation to lie. It is what it is. Sometimes my synapses don't fire on all 8 cylinders. Once I can get this search engine to fire, NAF1138 seems to think you are cleared from details gathered from your role PM. I still think your vote was scummy, but may be offering apologies soon enough, if NAF1138 is correct. PS: brewha - pro-town does not equal town. See Pleonast YSI Mafia. Quick point. Not cleared. Too many people have shown up on that list for me to continue thinking of them as cleared. Probably town with a question mark is probaly a better term.
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Post by brewha on Mar 20, 2008 10:58:32 GMT -5
PS: brewha - pro-town does not equal town. See Pleonast YSI Mafia. Very true, but pro-town does not equal scum either. We're not voting for who we think is town we're voting for who we think is scum. And, protown is good enough for me at this point in the game to eliminate her from the running for a vote.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 20, 2008 11:06:31 GMT -5
Alright, NAF1138 was right and I'm wrong Yes, Hockey Monkey was the first to mention the "definitely a Baddie" from the Role PM. This means she is more likely to be town than not. However, I haven't seen anything else as scummy as her vote and as we should vote for what we think is scummiest, my vote is going to stay.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 20, 2008 11:19:17 GMT -5
Alright, NAF1138 was right and I'm wrong Yes, Hockey Monkey was the first to mention the "definitely a Baddie" from the Role PM. This means she is more likely to be town than not. However, I haven't seen anything else as scummy as her vote and as we should vote for what we think is scummiest, my vote is going to stay. So you think I'm likely town, but are going to vote for me anyway? CAIS, that makes no bloody sense whatsoever! I'm going to hold my vote for the moment, because I fear it's more OMGUS than anything, but I need to marinate on this for a while.
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