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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:05:42 GMT -5
No, I'm saying that like my opinion of Kat's scumminess, I was likewise unconvinced about the other two options. Sorry if that was confusing. Got it, thanks. I misunderstood the first time I read it (which is why I wasn't posting much during the day... but I did finish my explosives midterm.
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 24, 2008 21:06:34 GMT -5
Okay, it's time for me to pull out another nitpicky thing that I noticed. This could be completely worthless but I thought I would throw this out there. (snipped) Wow, that is incredibly nitpicky. I'm of the camp that there's no such order we could use for a handshake--for all we know Roosh wrote one set of PMs and Dio another, and that accounts for the difference in order or phrasing or capitalization.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 24, 2008 21:08:05 GMT -5
I'm not being very clear here. Batman, in any canon I'm aware of(which isn't much, I have to admit) does not kill. I could see Batman being aligned with other Do Gooders who do kill. But I have a really hard time seeing Batman himself as a night-killer. I'll start the rest of my replies from the beginning, but this one jumped out at me. Batman does kill in this game. Or at least attempts to. How exactly do you know this for sure Rugmeister?
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Post by Rysto on Mar 24, 2008 21:09:41 GMT -5
HM, we know for a fact that the Joker is a Day Killer -- I mean, that's what happened at the end of Day One. Furthermore, there's very good evidence that the Joker is anti-town, because he killed Kold. A SK is a possibility but I find that unlikely. The problem with an SK is that it's basically an impossible role to win with. Maybe this last step is too much of an assumption, but the rest of it I don't think is any kind of leap.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Mar 24, 2008 21:11:21 GMT -5
Okay, it's time for me to pull out another nitpicky thing that I noticed. This could be completely worthless but I thought I would throw this out there. I know this is extremely nitpicky and is probably absolutely nothing. The easiest way to find out if it means nothing is for one (or all) of the masons to just simply say what order it was in their PM, I would think, without even revealing their names. The Mods have already posted openly along the lines of " Do you think we're stupid enough to allow the grammar in the PM's break the game" I can try and find the actual post if it matters. So I think a slight rearrangement of the order of the AKA's would fall under that admission.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 24, 2008 21:12:48 GMT -5
Okay, it's time for me to pull out another nitpicky thing that I noticed. This could be completely worthless but I thought I would throw this out there. (snipped) Wow, that is incredibly nitpicky. I'm of the camp that there's no such order we could use for a handshake--for all we know Roosh wrote one set of PMs and Dio another, and that accounts for the difference in order or phrasing or capitalization. I'm coming to the opinion that this is deliberate. There are a number of people who have quoted role PMs have minor differences to mine; differences of punctuation or capitalisation that don't change the meaning. Order of names and aliases probably doesn't mean much either.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Mar 24, 2008 21:14:03 GMT -5
I'm not being very clear here. Batman, in any canon I'm aware of(which isn't much, I have to admit) does not kill. I could see Batman being aligned with other Do Gooders who do kill. But I have a really hard time seeing Batman himself as a night-killer. I'll start the rest of my replies from the beginning, but this one jumped out at me. Batman does kill in this game. Or at least attempts to. Do you have some extra knowledge about Batman Santo? Or are you refering to something I have completley missed?
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 24, 2008 21:15:48 GMT -5
:coughs:that's :coughs:good :coughs:enough :coughs:for :coughs:me. Really? Unless there's something I'm missing, how can him saying there is such a group, when you already said there was such a group, mean anything at all? :coughs:you are missing something :coughs:which hopefully means that others are missing it :coughs: too. He said a lot in that short little phrase :coughs::coughs:
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 24, 2008 21:16:55 GMT -5
:coughs:fuck :coughs:again I didn't mean :coughs:to post :coughs:right then :coughs:. DAMMIT :coughs:Shit :coughs: :coughs:
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:17:08 GMT -5
This game is giving me a headache. <snip> THIS game is giving you a headache?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:19:26 GMT -5
I know you guys are going to hate me for the multimultiposts, sorry. <snip>Finally, I dougt that Hal's final proposition about Two-Face is accurate. Having someone ge scum and then switch to town would be pretty awful. I'd see it more likely the other way around. Gut speculating too much about roles that aren't in the game is silly and a waste of time.<snip> How do you know that Two Face isn't in the game?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 24, 2008 21:20:05 GMT -5
HM, we know for a fact that the Joker is a Day Killer -- I mean, that's what happened at the end of Day One. Furthermore, there's very good evidence that the Joker is anti-town, because he killed Kold. A SK is a possibility but I find that unlikely. The problem with an SK is that it's basically an impossible role to win with. Maybe this last step is too much of an assumption, but the rest of it I don't think is any kind of leap. Did I miss something? How do you know the Joker killed Koldanar? Has it been firmlly established that the death of Koldanar was the result of an attack and not of a lynch activated mechanism? Why are we assuming that this is the way it happened? Are you the Joker Rysto? Pointy FOS coming your way.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:22:52 GMT -5
<snip> I still find it odd that it doesn't mention Scarface, gecause my role PM did. Clearly I am not saying what my powers are, although I will complain that they are certainly not worth the effort I have to put forth for this role. Gastard mod, indeed. Why would Scarface need to be on the list if Scarface isn't technically a player?
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Post by Rysto on Mar 24, 2008 21:23:45 GMT -5
Did you read Kold's death scene, Hockey:
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:28:57 GMT -5
<snip>I see only the following possibilities as plausible: 1. sinjin is telling the gospel truth, and CIAS is a pro-Town Vig; from our standpoint, the worst possibility, because we will wind up spending time hashing this out and no scum is involved. 2. sinjin is telling the truth about her power and her discovery last Night, but she is scum or a third party and CIAS is a pro-Town Vig. Troublesome, because there would be no lie to identify. Bear in mind, this is exactly what she did in her last game - claimed her true power, but a false alignment. 3. sinjin is telling the gospel truth, and CIAS is either SK or scum. From our standpoint, the best possible outcome, because we'd nail scum or a third party enemy.<snip> What about: 4. sinjin is telling the truth about her power and her discovery last Night, but she is scum and CatInA is SK. Or is there something in the canon I missed?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:30:45 GMT -5
<snip>in this game, the scum only know marginally more than the rest of the players (namely, who their scumbuddies are, but if Roosh and Dio were humongous bastards they might not have even given them that!)<snip> Hmm. Interesting.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:36:20 GMT -5
I'll start the rest of my replies from the beginning, but this one jumped out at me. Batman does kill in this game. Or at least attempts to. How exactly do you know this for sure Rugmeister? Rugmeister, huh? That's a new one. I said yesterday I have reason to believe that Batman is the person who handles the Do Gooder's kills. Or, as may be evidenced by what happened this Morning, the actions for his group. I wonder if NAF is sick enough to die, or if he's going to go crazy(er) from the toxins or something like that. Batman's actions this Morning were not innocuous.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 24, 2008 21:36:41 GMT -5
Did you read Kold's death scene, Hockey: Yes, I read it! Does it mean 100% that the Joker killed him? I'd go as far as 95% that it was him, just to allow for Gastard Modding, but not 100%. The other part of my question to you was about the Joker being in a group. Why do you assume this rather than a SK?
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 24, 2008 21:36:53 GMT -5
(and note that none of the information we've confirmed so far has been nonsensical - complex and Byzantine, perhaps, but not nonsensical). Byzantine? VERY Nice Adjective there. I'm flattered you think such of the setup....
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 21:39:02 GMT -5
Did I miss something? How do you know the Joker killed Koldanar? Has it been firmlly established that the death of Koldanar was the result of an attack and not of a lynch activated mechanism? Why are we assuming that this is the way it happened? Are you the Joker Rysto? Pointy FOS coming your way. Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that the Joker took out K. Rysto isn't the first one to have mentioned that Today.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 24, 2008 21:40:42 GMT -5
Yes, I read it! Does it mean 100% that the Joker killed him? I'd go as far as 95% that it was him, just to allow for Gastard Modding, but not 100%. The other part of my question to you was about the Joker being in a group. Why do you assume this rather than a SK? I addressed that. It's because an SK is basically impossible to win with, which is pretty unfair for the SK. This is meta-gaming, I know, but Dio and Roosh have put a lot of work into this game and I don't believe that they would have introduced an inherently unbalanced aspect like an SK.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 24, 2008 21:41:16 GMT -5
How exactly do you know this for sure Rugmeister? Rugmeister, huh? That's a new one. I said yesterday I have reason to believe that Batman is the person who handles the Do Gooder's kills. Or, as may be evidenced by what happened this Morning, the actions for his group. I wonder if NAF is sick enough to die, or if he's going to go crazy(er) from the toxins or something like that. Batman's actions this Morning were not innocuous. I'm also wondering how long NAF has.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 24, 2008 21:43:22 GMT -5
Yes, I read it! Does it mean 100% that the Joker killed him? I'd go as far as 95% that it was him, just to allow for Gastard Modding, but not 100%. The other part of my question to you was about the Joker being in a group. Why do you assume this rather than a SK? I addressed that. It's because an SK is basically impossible to win with, which is pretty unfair for the SK. This is meta-gaming, I know, but Dio and Roosh have put a lot of work into this game and I don't believe that they would have introduced an inherently unbalanced aspect like an SK. I dunno, the SK has historically been interesting to watch. I'm not putting anything past them.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 24, 2008 21:44:05 GMT -5
I addressed that. It's because an SK is basically impossible to win with, which is pretty unfair for the SK. This is meta-gaming, I know, but Dio and Roosh have put a lot of work into this game and I don't believe that they would have introduced an inherently unbalanced aspect like an SK. Well NAFKat and storyteller both had SKs in their games. Granted, in Firefly the Serial Killer died Night 1 which kind of helps your point. But in the Blade Runner game, the SK had some buffs (ability to investigate as well as kill, and a nightkill resistance to boot) so we could be dealing with a superpowered Joker.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 24, 2008 21:49:06 GMT -5
Was BR an open game? Wouldn't an investigating, unnightkillable SK would pretty much be invincible in a closed game? If you ever get pressured claim Cop and you're set.
Anyway, the question of whether Joker has any allies is not at all germane to my original point.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 24, 2008 22:00:18 GMT -5
I'm actually inclined to believe that if the Joker is anti-town, he's probably not a serial killer and it's more a speculator (again from Blade Runner) type group. Why? Harley Quinn. Canonically she basically follows the Joker's footsteps everywhere, except for brief periods where she allies with her friend Poison Ivy.
Considering Ivy and Bane already had some sort of connection, I doubt Ivy and Harley will also be connected, which means she's probably helping out "Mr. J." For that matter, Harley could have the same relationship to the Joker that Bane had to Ivy, even though I have no idea what exactly that relationship was.
Of course, this hinges on the idea that Harley is even in the game, which I don't know for certain.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 24, 2008 22:01:16 GMT -5
<snip> Do you have some extra knowledge about Batman[,] Santo? Or are you refering to something I have completley missed? Comma mine. ;D Okay, I'm pretty much caught up now, so the rest of my posts should start making sense again (relatively). Yes, I have a bit of extra knowledge about Batman.
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Post by tdpatriots12 on Mar 24, 2008 22:05:13 GMT -5
Of course, this hinges on the idea that Harley is even in the game, which I don't know for certain. Granted this goes far from confirming it but is it on your list, Hal?
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Post by Rysto on Mar 24, 2008 22:08:37 GMT -5
Well, I for one am not going to make any assumptions about who might be in the Joker's hypothetical group.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 24, 2008 22:27:16 GMT -5
I'm not being very clear here. Batman, in any canon I'm aware of(which isn't much, I have to admit) does not kill. I could see Batman being aligned with other Do Gooders who do kill. But I have a really hard time seeing Batman himself as a night-killer. [oog] :coughs:Not that this means anything :coughs: but mostly as a point of interest :coughs: Batman did start off as a killer :coughs:It wasn't until the addition of Robin :coughs: that they stopped having him kill entirely :coughs: and in the earliest books he even used...a GUN! (The gun bit will mean something to Batman fans, Batman hates guns)[/oog] I have no idea if Roosh and Dio knew that, or if they would have cared (in terms of game design.) But I always thought that it was interesting. :coughs::coughs:
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