Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 11:15:24 GMT -5
Wow, Hal, that's one of the scummiest posts I've read in recent memory. Let me sum it up for you from an outsiders perspective:
"Scum already know about this list is about, but town doesn't. I want to hide that information from them. I'm not going to say shit until I'm on the chopping block, but anybody who puts me there is scum for not trusting me. story especially."
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 2, 2008 11:15:32 GMT -5
Fuck that. If you want to be believed, you have to be believ able. Give me one good reason why you should be exempt from scrutiny, on nothing but your say so. Bingo...the only way to do so is to reveal everything, which hurts town. We both know that's how this works. So here's how we're going to play this out: I'm going to do what I know is the pro-town move -- I'm going keep my mouth shut about the issue until keeping my mouth shut becomes an anti-town move (read: when you've duped enough people into voting for me). At that point I reveal what I know, I lose my effectiveness, and that we all go "Oh, gee...guess he was telling the truth after all. But hey, at least we know that now". One other thing -- I'm of the opinion that scum know exactly what the deal is with this list (or at least have a good idea of how it can hurt them). Because of this, I'm pretty damn sure scum will be all over this bandwagon you're so desperate to get rolling. Something to keep an eye on if you pull off my lynch. Oh. And interestingly enough, the two paragraphs here would appear to be contradictory. You seem to be claiming that: (1) Telling the truth about your list would obviate its effectiveness; and that (2) You think the scum already know the truth about your list. So if you think they already know "what the deal is with your list," then why the concern about revealing it to the Town? If the Scum already know - and you think they do, by your own admission - from whom are you keeping your secrets?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 11:37:28 GMT -5
Let me ask again, Hal, more directly this time. Erf, sorry, I thought I was being clear -- you're fully expected to ride me about this. From your perspective, there's nothing wrong with pursuing me. From my perspective, I know it's hurting town and the scum are having a blast today, but no, of course you have no way of knowing that for a fact. I fully expect you to keep after me -- that's how this game is played. All I can do is hope that either A) someone makes a major slip, or B) you're arguments don't gain traction. So then -- work, for a moment, under the assumption that I'm town, that I have an ability that works with this list, that the ability is pro-town, and that spilling everything about it now would be detrimental. What would you have me do?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 11:40:49 GMT -5
Lovely...fucking lovely...ok, simple as can be: I have an ability. I reveal it, I lose it. I think the scum know about it.
No contridiction, no nothing. If you want it out there, fuck it, let me know and I'll reveal.
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Santo Rugger
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The Rugger formerly known as Pygmy[on:BYAHH!][of:BYAHH?]
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 11:42:58 GMT -5
Can't you just be clever about it? Several others seem to have done just that.
And why'd you bring it up in the first place if you didn't want to talk about it?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 11:56:53 GMT -5
Can't you just be clever about it? Several others seem to have done just that. I really want to put a snarky comment in here, but you're right -- I could've been more clever about it in the first place. Ah well: Thom Gossom Jr. Van Quattro Markus Redmond Michael Girardin And why'd you bring it up in the first place if you didn't want to talk about it? If you're talking about the list, then it was simple -- there was talk of a mass name reveal. If you had this list, wouldn't you think it make sense to match claims against the list (keeping in mind that this was before we knew scum had ready-made cover roles). If you're talking about anything after that point, then it's because of story's persistence about the horror of the list.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 12:03:26 GMT -5
Snark away I'm just trying to find a solution that lets us find out if you're lying, without losing your powers if you're not. Whole bunch of actors I've never heard of... where are our resident problem solvers?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 2, 2008 12:07:27 GMT -5
Can't you just be clever about it? Several others seem to have done just that. I really want to put a snarky comment in here, but you're right -- I could've been more clever about it in the first place. Ah well: Thom Gossom Jr. Van Quattro Markus Redmond Michael Girardin And why'd you bring it up in the first place if you didn't want to talk about it? If you're talking about the list, then it was simple -- there was talk of a mass name reveal. If you had this list, wouldn't you think it make sense to match claims against the list (keeping in mind that this was before we knew scum had ready-made cover roles). If you're talking about anything after that point, then it's because of story's persistence about the horror of the list. So either this has something to do with fight club or cop shows, or possibly black actors who were all in fight club and cop shows.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 2, 2008 12:13:16 GMT -5
The first rule of your power is you don't talk about your power? Either that or you're a detective. Like the GCPD?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 2, 2008 12:17:19 GMT -5
OK, Hal, how about this:
Without specifying which or what, have you made any public statements about what you know, have, or can do, that are actively false? (As opposed to incomplete or misleading).
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 12:18:15 GMT -5
'Eh...never mind the intrigue. I've received mod clarification, and the only thing I'm not allowed to reveal is "the full contents of the list".
So: I'm a "sort-of" detective. Every night I pick a player name, and I also pick a role name off of the list. In the morning, I'm informed if they are a match or not. The catch: I can only select each role name once.
Rugger, you'll be pleased to know that you're not Robin.
Not the most useful power in the world right now, I know. However, as we get closer to the endgame it'll be more effective -- the number of players will be small and it'll be easier to match up a potential scum name. That's why I didn't go with a search of Batman right away, and why I'm now kicking myself for wasting a search of Robin.
FWIW, my (ineffective) search on Night 2 was to try and confirm storyteller as being Poison Ivy.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 12:18:16 GMT -5
<snip>So either this has something to do with fight club or cop shows, or possibly black actors who were all in fight club and cop shows. *sigh* the fight club thing was mentioned awhile back, wasn't it? I didn't get it then, I don't get it now.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 12:21:37 GMT -5
Interesting. <snip> Rugger, you'll be pleased to know that you're not Robin.<snip> Actually, I'd be more pleased if I were Robin. I miss being scum.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 2, 2008 12:21:49 GMT -5
'Eh...never mind the intrigue. I've received mod clarification, and the only thing I'm not allowed to reveal is "the full contents of the list". So: I'm a "sort-of" detective. Every night I pick a player name, and I also pick a role name off of the list. In the morning, I'm informed if they are a match or not. The catch: I can only select each role name once. Rugger, you'll be pleased to know that you're not Robin. Not the most useful power in the world right now, I know. However, as we get closer to the endgame it'll be more effective -- the number of players will be small and it'll be easier to match up a potential scum name. That's why I didn't go with a search of Batman right away, and why I'm now kicking myself for wasting a search of Robin. FWIW, my (ineffective) search on Night 2 was to try and confirm storyteller as being Poison Ivy. Hm. OK. So then a mass name claim would be tremendously helpful to you, because it would allow you to make much more directed searches. On the other hand, a mass name claim would make you a bigger target for scum, because your power goes from mildly useful to very useful almost immediately. Given that, do you still favor a mass name claim? I no longer see much argument against it. Oh, and: unvote Hal Briston
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 2, 2008 12:22:23 GMT -5
Interesting. <snip> Rugger, you'll be pleased to know that you're not Robin.<snip> Actually, I'd be more pleased if I were Robin. I miss being scum. Fuck yeah. It's exhausting, being wrong this often.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 2, 2008 12:25:36 GMT -5
You do realize that she posted much more than once or twice after that, since that was near the end of the first thread for that day, right? No. That'll show me to post when I've been drinkin'. I totally thought I was going over the last couple pages of the Day last night. Somehow I doubt that will teach you to drink and post. Has your question to me been sufficiently answered? Hoopy kind of nailed it for me, but I thought I pretty much addressed NAF's concern with my role claim, even though I didn't answer his question directly.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 2, 2008 12:25:59 GMT -5
So you're saying storyteller is NOT Poison Ivy?
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Post by Rysto on Apr 2, 2008 12:27:09 GMT -5
No, his night 2 investigation was blocked.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 2, 2008 12:28:18 GMT -5
Doh, sorry, forgot what happened on night two. Question retracted.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 12:28:23 GMT -5
So you're saying storyteller is NOT Poison Ivy? Did you forget the blizzard?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 2, 2008 12:30:39 GMT -5
Somehow I doubt that will teach you to drink and post. Has your question to me been sufficiently answered? <snip> For now. And since I'm never drinking again, it won't be a problem.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 2, 2008 12:34:51 GMT -5
All for of those actors had Detective roles in Fight Club. I think the first time Fight Club was pulled into this game was references to post restrictions. "The first rule about post restrictions, is you don't talk about post restrictions", which is a nod to the line from the film, "The first rule about Fight Club, is you don't talk about Fight Club". Cat then tried to use it as cover for being tight lipped about the specifics of his role. At least that is my recollection of Cat's Fight Club use. I may have missed something though.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 2, 2008 12:38:51 GMT -5
Somehow I doubt that will teach you to drink and post. Has your question to me been sufficiently answered? <snip> For now. And since I'm never drinking again, it won't be a problem. Aren't we supposed to lynch all liars? ;D
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 12:44:08 GMT -5
Hm. OK. So then a mass name claim would be tremendously helpful to you, because it would allow you to make much more directed searches. On the other hand, a mass name claim would make you a bigger target for scum, because your power goes from mildly useful to very useful almost immediately. Given that, do you still favor a mass name claim? I no longer see much argument against it. Even with the risks, I think it's worth a shot -- I do favor a mass name claim indeed. After throwing what was essentially a random search out on Night 1 (my thought was along the lines of "'Meh... Rugger is always scum...let's start with him"), I then thought better of it and decided to try and use it for claim confirmations. The more of those that are out there, the better. As for being a scum target, well, we'll let the doc(s?) and scum play a little WIFOM game with me. So then... 1) Anyone vehemently opposed to a mass name reveal? 2) Rysto, how's the NBA schedule looking the next couple of days?
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Post by Rysto on Apr 2, 2008 12:45:43 GMT -5
I'm not, with the caveat that I've already admitted that my name looks scummy. Please don't lynch me solely on that basis.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 2, 2008 12:49:38 GMT -5
My fellow masons may disagree, but I think that I am in favor of a mass claim at this point too. This far into the game I don't know if it is all that bad to have the remaining masons outed.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 2, 2008 12:50:55 GMT -5
I am in favor of a mass reveal, will not vote to lynch anyone exclusively on the basis of his or her name - although that will certainly guide future analysis - and don't particularly think we need an elaborate randomization mechanism to make it happen (given that Townies will tell the truth and Scum will use their aliases, the order of the reveal is less important than the fact of it, and that it happens soon if it's to happen).
NAF, or Cookies - you're Masons, and thus unlikely to be scum even if you're not entirely pro-Town. I trust you enough for this task. Go generate a random number sequence at random.org (1-24), and copy/paste the sequence here. That'll do, at least as far as I can tell.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 12:51:38 GMT -5
Looks like we've got my Night 3 investigation all lined up. But seriously, I don't think anyone here expects every scummy name to be actual scum. I, for one, won't base votes on names. Once one or two "scum-named townies" are verified, then things might be different. But for now, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 2, 2008 12:53:37 GMT -5
Is anyone else here just dying to get their role name out in the open, just so they can put up an honest avatar? ;D
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 2, 2008 12:55:44 GMT -5
I was gonna switch mine after I was dead. I don't mind doing it now though.
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