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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 4, 2008 9:13:40 GMT -5
The other option? The guy claiming to be PFK isn't an option? It is a big town and there are lots of scum out there. I'd expand my horizons a bit if I were you.
The player playing for keeps don't need aliases, they can just claim their names. Who do you think I am that claiming my own name would have revealed myself as PFK?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 4, 2008 9:17:24 GMT -5
Ah what the hell... vote BlasterMaster.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 9:25:01 GMT -5
Ok BLaM...let's say I were agreeable to this. Let me ask you straight out -- is your role worth it to us? Assuming you're town, would you say you have a power or ability that makes confirming you over someone else a pro-town move for us? Well, to be more precise, my powers are not any more or less useful if I'm confirmed. One power I have is relatively weak but potentially very bad if Two-Face investigates me, the other one I have is such that the scum will need to take me out eventually, though it is decidedly less useful than some of the other powers already out there. That said, the reason I'd seek confirmation is simply because the entire case against me seems to be that zuma was playing batshit crazy. Which, as I said, I could see as him trying to do as part of using one of the powers, or maybe he was just being an asshole.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 4, 2008 9:35:39 GMT -5
The other option? The guy claiming to be PFK isn't an option? It is a big town and there are lots of scum out there. I'd expand my horizons a bit if I were you. The player playing for keeps don't need aliases, they can just claim their names. Who do you think I am that claiming my own name would have revealed myself as PFK? I honestly don't have anything on you, not feeling you as scum either as I think I was trying to make clear. The only thing on you is not being on a list. I admitted it wasn't the most reliable indicator of anything. Just the best I had to go on. As for the cover roles, that wasn't meant specifically toward you. It was because I think alot of us where basing things on all the scum getting cover roles. Though I guess that could fit with you as well. I hate doing this but you and story are right, this isn't a good reason to vote for you. And because I'm not getting scummy from you, you not being on the list shouldn't lead you to the chair. unvote Hawkeyeop And on preview I want to say something about zuma/crazy. IIRC he was acting crazy on the dope as well in the same time frame. That's why I'm having some problems with voting for BlaM based on zuma's loss of control. But it also makes me wonder why BlaM says his acting crazy may have had something to do with his role. So toss up. Now that leads me back to this, Hawkeyeop is right the Joker is scum, period. He can change to town or this and that but of course that's him telling us that. But can he help us as he says or is he scummy enough to try to get his win in, if he didn't tell us everything. I'll have a vote in within an hour and it will have to stay there until 6EST at the earliest. I'm going to review and vote for who I feel is scummiest. If something changes between when I leave and when I return I will have plenty of time to re-evaluate the situation.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 9:49:41 GMT -5
And on preview I want to say something about zuma/crazy. IIRC he was acting crazy on the dope as well in the same time frame. That's why I'm having some problems with voting for BlaM based on zuma's loss of control. But it also makes me wonder why BlaM says his acting crazy may have had something to do with his role. So toss up. I want to clarify on this point. Namely, given the powers that I have, I can see why someone else might play the way zuma was with them. That said, it is not the way I have chosen to play with them. It is also likely (probably more likely) that zuma was just being an ass. But to those voting for me, what about his behavior exactly is scummy? What would be scums motivation for going straight out nuts and claiming to be Batman? I really can't see any motivation for either scum or town to do something so rash, so I just don't get the case against me.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 9:51:40 GMT -5
You make a good point, so I'll tell you what -- we'll split the difference. Keeping in mind that this is coming without cites, and is based purely on my gut, one of the players twinging me is brewha. Any specific reason why? I did a post-by-post summary with some analysis of him, and nothing he did particularly seemed scummy. In fact, he seems completely town to me. Is there an elephant in the posts that I missed? (This isn't a smudge, I'm genuinely curious. It's quite possible I missed something.)
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 9:51:55 GMT -5
I'm not really sure who I'm going to kill Today, but, I'm open to suggestions. I was going to kill BlaMa, half for the obvious metagamey reason and half for the alternate metagamey reason that I got a PM that had the word suBlaMission and I thought it was some sort of hint. But, now, I don't know what I should do. Well, I hate to reitterate this, but I've been mod-confirmed to NOT be Batman so if, in fact, your goal is to kill Batman, you're wasting your time targetting me. And, if you don't have any other good leads that might make it worth letting to continue to roam free, I don't see why we should take that risk. Of course you don't.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 9:55:12 GMT -5
On the bright side, at least I'm not accountable for my votes anymore.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 9:59:06 GMT -5
And on preview I want to say something about zuma/crazy. IIRC he was acting crazy on the dope as well in the same time frame. That's why I'm having some problems with voting for BlaM based on zuma's loss of control. But it also makes me wonder why BlaM says his acting crazy may have had something to do with his role. So toss up. I want to clarify on this point. Namely, given the powers that I have, I can see why someone else might play the way zuma was with them. That said, it is not the way I have chosen to play with them. It is also likely (probably more likely) that zuma was just being an ass. But to those voting for me, what about his behavior exactly is scummy? What would be scums motivation for going straight out nuts and claiming to be Batman? I really can't see any motivation for either scum or town to do something so rash, so I just don't get the case against me. Well, for what it's worth, there were really three points: 1. zuma seemed very frustrated after the first Day/Night cycle, reiterating the same "I'm never going to win one of these games" routine that we've all heard a bunch of times. After a Day/Night cycle in which we had caught a Scum, and then lost only one player, with no Night kills at all, that seemed very strange. Why would he feel the game was going poorly, if he was pro-Town? 2. zuma did some things that definitely qualify as wildly inconsistent. At one point, Hoopy Frood name-claimed under admittedly modest pressure. zuma responded by castigating him, telling him that he was crazy to name-claim so early, and then... name claiming himself. 3. He did, I mean, again, claim to be Batman. My theory hinged on the fact that zuma is typically a target in these games because he's a bit impulsive and erratic, and knew this. I thought he'd maybe been assigned a scum role, and was trying to mimic his own previous behavior so as not to be accused of "acting differently," but because he was doing it self-consciously, overdid it. But this is all stuff for which you can't possibly answer. Truthfully? You're getting votes right now because we're all confused, and you look like an easy target. If you're pro-Town, and you want to live through toDay, I'd suggest just flat out skipping defending yourself for what zuma did - because you can't, obviously - and get to playing. Help us find a better target. I know catching up is daunting, but I'm thinking maybe a focused effort might help. I'm going to go concentrate on the end of Day One, when Kat, a scum, was lynched. We now know that one of her primary competitions for the role, CiAS, was a non-Do-Gooder. With nine hours left, forget Days Two and Three for now: the most interesting real information might be found in the run-up to that vote.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 10:01:10 GMT -5
And on preview I want to say something about zuma/crazy. IIRC he was acting crazy on the dope as well in the same time frame. That's why I'm having some problems with voting for BlaM based on zuma's loss of control. But it also makes me wonder why BlaM says his acting crazy may have had something to do with his role. So toss up. I want to clarify on this point. Namely, given the powers that I have, I can see why someone else might play the way zuma was with them. That said, it is not the way I have chosen to play with them. It is also likely (probably more likely) that zuma was just being an ass. But to those voting for me, what about his behavior exactly is scummy? What would be scums motivation for going straight out nuts and claiming to be Batman? I really can't see any motivation for either scum or town to do something so rash, so I just don't get the case against me. The fact that he was mentioning how we was going to lose yet another game of Mafia. When town loses one in exchange for scum on the first Day, that's pretty much the opposite of town going to lose. (Granted, the scum have only lost one, so it's not as if it means the scum will necessarily lose yet, especially since they seemed to have lost a minor player.) It doesn't make since for a PFK (and my guess is there's at most one more out there), since both our confirmed PFK's were going to lose only if they died. So really, the only one it makes sense for is scum, or batshit crazy. He then claims his name for no good reason, which if it's a scum cover role, doesn't hurt him in the least. And then things really went downhill for him after that. We have no real history to go on. Nothing he did looks pro-town. The things he did do do look scummy. The case is far from solid, but do you have a better case to put forth for anyone else (other than Santo, who exists in his own little special place on many levels)?
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 10:07:25 GMT -5
Well, I hate to reitterate this, but I've been mod-confirmed to NOT be Batman so if, in fact, your goal is to kill Batman, you're wasting your time targetting me. And, if you don't have any other good leads that might make it worth letting to continue to roam free, I don't see why we should take that risk. Of course you don't. It's quite simple, assuming you're telling the truth, until you kill Batman, you're a liability to the town. I am definitely NOT Batman, so if you target me, you're still a liability to the town. Even still, we don't have any reason to trust that any part of your role PM is factual, except that which happens to coincide with the information we have available. We know you're a day killer and we know you're playing for keeps. How do we know you're not charged with killing certain pro-town roles, which you can easily cover up with post hoc reasoning of why you may have thought he was Batman. And, even according to you, if we happen to lynch Batman, you ARE anti-town, and just because he happens to die doesn't mean YOU necessarily did it UNLESS you claim who you're killing beforehand. Further, whomever you're going to kill, probably deserves the chance to defend himself and reveal his powers so that you're not just blindly killing townfolk which may continue to server your ultimate win condition, but still be detrimental to the town.
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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 4, 2008 10:08:54 GMT -5
(4) My win condition explicitly says that all players who are "Playing for Keeps" must die in order to win. Most of the rest of you have claimed, at least, that yours say the same. Mine does as well. vote Santo Rugger Furthermore, his killing of Koldanar (really, the two biggest scum are going to tie themselves together day 1?), and his claim that he can kill Batman, but Batman can't kill him, just don't sit right to me.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 10:11:44 GMT -5
That's pretty much what I figured, BLaM. Ok, here's how I'm playing it:
For my money, it makes the most sense to me to take out the one person we know isn't town. Sorry Rugger...you've almost certainly a power that could potentially be put to good use, and perhaps you could be made to be a good (well, you know what I mean) townie. However, I'm finding the risk to be too great. You're PFK. That tells me that you have your own goal, and when you complete it, you win the rest of us lose. And we can't be certain that you're not a slit throat away from completing that goal. So,
Vote Santo Rugger
Now then, if BLaM is still around, I'll check him out*. If the rest of the town decided to take out BLaM, then I'll go elsewhere with my investigations.
*Possibly a lie. Neener, Batscum.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 4, 2008 10:17:43 GMT -5
One of my reasons for voting for CiaS was loose cannon vig, color, and my thought. I don't have a hat on Santo, I agreed not to use color anymore. That leaves a loose cannon vig like character. But with Santo we know he is PFK, we don't know his win conditions. I think he could be a help to us, but the risks outweigh the benefits.
Help Killing Batman Other Scum Hurt Killing our power roles Killing us period We don't know for sure his win condition
He can be completely honest with us and it still sits uneasy with me. So this is my vote.
vote Santo Rugger
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 10:17:50 GMT -5
Storyteller, this is precisely why I proposed to Hal what I did and why I think lynching Joker is our best move. Confirming me may not be the most improtant thing in terms of my powers, but it will remove the distraction of all of zuma's wild and crazy behavior while allowing me to keep wraps on my power which would become utterly useless when the scum find out. I'll be happy to contribute to finding scum, but considering I'm only a few pages into Day Two so far, I won't even have the chance until I'm caught up, which simply won't happen before Dusk.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 4, 2008 10:25:37 GMT -5
I know asking people to investigate doesn't help because they have there own agendas. But the two I'd like to see investigated are BlaM and Hawkeyeop (yeah getting a name on you would make me rest my mind a lot) I like my vote where it is, rather take out a confirmed PFK than a possible town. I would rather see Batman or company sitting in the chair though. So if something else comes up when I get back, I will be willing to vote for someone that is scum and get the PFK later.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 4, 2008 10:45:47 GMT -5
Mods - votecount?
I was rereading (no notes) the 2nd part of d2, and am wondering why all the people who said they suspected Hoopy really didn't go anywhere with that.
But - I don't trust the Joker, and think that his PM edits are a bit odd, filtering out his immunity to Baman is the right move, unless you're jacking us around. I don't win until people playing for keeps are gone, and you're one of them.
Vote: Santo Rugger[/color]
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Post by sinjin on Apr 4, 2008 10:46:40 GMT -5
I would like to direct everyone's attention to this little bit in Santo's role PM:
Now take out the underlined part. Doesn't that read much nicer? It makes more sense to me that Santo get's an individual win if he kills Batman than he becomes a Baddie if he kills Batman. If he thought Story/Koldanar's winkies indicated they were scum looking for each other, the two who immediately come to mind as a pair are Batman and Robin. Why would he chance killing Batman on day one and losing his awesome day-killing abilities? Or Robin for that matter as he also has a condition relating to day-killing Robin that he snipped.
He would immediately go from being a survivour to being a vanilla townie. I'm not buying it.
On another note, I have a sneaking suspicion that Santo originally targeted Story and Koldanar was body guarding him and took the hit. But that's just idle speculation.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 4, 2008 10:54:33 GMT -5
See-Saw Battle Votecount Hoopy Frood 1 (Death By Irony) Blaster Master 7 (NAF1138, Hoopy Frood, Brewha,ComeSide, Homonk, Dark Smurf,molefan) Santo Rugger 6 (sinjin, Blaster Master,hawkeyeop,Hal Briston,ryjae,Darth Sensitive)
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 4, 2008 11:01:12 GMT -5
Well, Dio's stated outright that BLaMa isn't Batman. I think that BLaMa might be a better candidate for HM, not you. If BLaMa's town then that at least gives him a 50% chance of surviving. On the other hand, this is making the rather large assumption that Joe Chill must be Town, which isn't a particularly good assumption to be making about any Name. Thoughts? Something else that occurred to me about HM's ability is that if she were to announce her target beforehand and we have a Doctor he could protect the target. I'm not sure if that's worth HM announcing her target beforehand and tying up the Doctor(if one even exists -- Kold might well have been our only Doctor), which would give the scum a free shot at any number of claimed power roles. I'm just throwing this idea out there -- I'm not endorsing it by any means. The other problem is that we get ourselves into a nasty WIFOM situation if HM gets blocked by a scum role blocker. Was she blocked to protect scum, or to make it look like it was to protect scum. Maybe this isn't such a big problem, though, because a 50% chance of a night kill of a townie would probably better for the scum than a chance at getting a townie lynched. I was actually giving thought to a similar idea, but I think using HM on me would be a very bad idea for several reasons, two of those reasons involve the knowledge of my powers, which I'm not prepared to divulge unless it's necessary to save my life. Instead, I think it would be better to have the Riddler investigate me, which would circumvent the negative aspect of my power that Two-Face may activate, while still providing the town with a reason to trust me, and allowing Two-Face to, instead, pursue another target that could potentially be Batman, or other scum. AFAICT, mind you I still haven't read up on Day 2, it appears that the scum all have cover roles, so that should make the Riddler and Two-Face's results more or less equally useful, right? Um, what negative aspect would that be? I think you are correct that my and Riddler's results would be essentially the same.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 11:02:49 GMT -5
Um, what negative aspect would that be? I think you are correct that my and Riddler's results would be essentially the same. You might kill him. He might have some power that activates if he is targeted for a Night kill, to the detriment of either his attacker or the Town.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:07:38 GMT -5
Ehh. You guys can make this easy for me... or hard for yourselves. I want to be part of the Town, so I want to find Batman. Out of game, I feel kind of bad for doing this, but in game, I don't give a shit. So, if you guys at least give me the chance to find and kill Batman, and see what the mods have to say about it the next Morning, I'll play nice. However, if you kill me without that chance, I'll take out who I think is the Town's most powerful role at Dusk. Granted, there's no guarantee that won't happen in the future, but at least you guys can have a chance to use a detective and/or doctor for a few more nights. It's your call, but there it is. It may be worth it to keep me around, and it may not, but there ya have it. Like I said, I'm open to guidance. If I kill somebody who wasn't suggested, then Lynch me the next Day. Kind of the way BlaM was used in M2 before we knew his alignment.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 4, 2008 11:10:29 GMT -5
Blackmail, eh?
That fits the Joker. And sure as hell isn't pro-town. My vote stands.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:11:16 GMT -5
[My comments in brackets as before.] Captain Klutz/Darth Sensitive AKA Lex Luthor[Day 2 pt 2.--Darth] Checks in for first post. Mentions his off-the-wall theory he formulated as an observer: Batman and Joker are mod NPC's and don't really exist. After all everyone was in the room at the start of Day 2, and the mods avatars show Batman and Joker. Figures he's totally off base [Yep] but wanted to throw that out there. Fluff. Gives background on Hush from the wiki and the comic he picked up at the library the day before. Not sure what to make of him (vig, pfk, doctor?). [This was before Cat claimed.] Current thoughts are that Cat's PFK or has a mandatory night kill. If neither, should be lynched [actually, I would say if PFK, should lynch anyway] since a loose cannon vig is a liability. Doesn't know reasoning for NK yet, so only FOS. Also asks if the following are on Hal's list: Oracle, Mad Hatter, Ra's Al Ghul, and Red Hood. [Hal would later respond that he won't make those confirmations until we decide whether or not we are doing a mass name claim.] Fluff (but amusing fluff). Votes Cat. [Mis-]Cites Cat's claim post. Cites Santo's post where he called bullshit on the loss of powers thing. Tries to fix Cat cite. Fails again. Responds to my post where I defended Cat's loss of powers thing as not contradicting anything she said. Reiterates that the point is not about contradiction, but where it was located, and that his limits on powers were located in the same place where Santo claimed his were, and they didn't match where Cat put hers. Responds to Cookie's mention that we're back with dissecting differences in PM's, which we already know tells nothing. Says she might be right, and will go back and review that part of the discussion. Dio: Dude's...like, totally, don't assume anything based on the grammar, composition, punctuation or gender/number of nouns in your Role PMs.States that no one's claim involves restriction of powers after flavor text, not even Kat, though that probably doesn't mean much, and Zuma claims he snipped nothing but his role. Lists all previous claim post locations. Rysto: Darth, did you miss what Dio recently posted about PM's?Says he was ninja'ed by that. Had written up the post beforehand in class and then posted from his dorm. Fluff about Indiana time zones [End Day 2] [Day III] Hoopy, was that your one shot? Sinjin--Uhh, who was Mr. Freeze again? Hoopy is. Here's where he claimed. Thinks that Penguin could be the DK. But the "precise but mad hand" flavor text in Cat's death implies that it's no doubt joker. The Penguin is a businessman, not a nut. Doubts that the two pro-town blocker's would be an accident of the mods not paying attention as Hawkeyeop suggested. Claims vindication of belief that Cat's was lying. Says he'll take close look at those defending Cat. Doesn't think he'll find good scum clues in the Atarus wagon. Thinks there will be other PFK's, and working as a group because it'd be hard for them to be working independently and still win. Fluff. Fluff. Fluff. [God how I love typing that!] Zuma's craziness is a null tell. Ryjae: Probably stupid questions Part 1: Scum wouldn't care about are roles would they? Just our abilities right? Do serial killers always play by themselves or is it possible for them to be in a team in mafia?Possibly dumb answers: Only reason scum would care about names is to guess at powers. He would have guessed Freeze was a role-blocker and Two-Face had a 50/50 chance of someone dying vs. something else. He's never seen multiple SK's work together, but that's the assumption he's going with. In response to Hal breadcrumbing his role, he says the first thing about the power is that you don't talk about your power. He then adds either that or Hal's a detective. [See Hal's post here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=310&page=7#21102 ] Mentions time zone in regards to mass claim. Says he's not enthralled with it [understandable, given his name] but will claim when it's his go. Still interested in finding any PFK's who were driving the atarus and derailing the Cat bandwagons. [This is before we know that our only other confirmed PFK both voted for and killed Cat.] Explains dehydrated goon reference. Fluff (fix coding, please) Since Ryjae claimed out of turn, curious as if he has to wait for Brewha to claim or not. Says he thinks chainclaiming (i.e. one person claims and calls out the next person who must then claim, etc.) might have gone faster. Fluff (wants to change his avatar) Claims. Quotes his flavor text. Comments on the list of those who haven't claimed yet. Says their on the clock, 36 hours left. Says he won't judge Ra's too harshly just for being here because like him, neither really belong in Arkham. Wonders what the heck Ash is here for since he's from a different universe. Asks mods to prod BM on Dope. NAF: The Ventriloquist doesn't think of scarface as "master" he thinks of scarface as a boss, an employer. I am fairly sure Roosh and Dio would know that. But then DB's role/post restriction etc bother me anyway. They don't really fit properly either.Asks NAF to clarify that. Can't recall Scarface ever not using a 'g' where a 'b' should go. NAF: Well that's my problem, she isn't claiming to be scarface. She is claiming to be the ventrilloquist who has an independant and seperate personallity, and doesn't have a speech impediment.DrainBead isn't claiming to be one or the other. She's claiming to be both. Seems like an odd nit to pick. NAF: I'm just pointing out that it seems odd. And I believe she did claim Ventriloquist.[/i] Mentions he's going to look. Links to post where Drain was outed. Links to her response which didn't name any names, just confirms previous thoughts. Mentions that he does remember her asking Hal if she was on the list. Fluff. Analyzing Day 2 lynching. Asks Santo if his kill takes place after the lynching. More Day 2 analysis. More Day 2 analysis. Restates his goal in response to my analysis. Wonders why those who suspected me yesterday haven't really gone anywhere with that today. Votes Santo. [End post summary through Day III]. So nothing Darth did seems scummy. However, Klutz was scummy near the end. It's not enough to make me change votes at this point (and I still am pondering how I feel about Santo), but I do have FoS on him.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 4, 2008 11:11:56 GMT -5
I have been pondering most of the day about who to lynch.
I spent most of the last two nights combing through Rysto's posts because one struck me as slightly off-colour; but reading all his posts made me think I had misinterpreted the one that set off alarms.
As far as the nameclaims go, one or two made me raise my eyebrows. Mainly, our claimed masonic group. I have to say I expected some sort of piratical reference, but all I managed to find was Batman going mano-a-mano with a shark while simultaneously removing a young lady's clothing. With a knife. (Or she'd have drowned, you see. All those petticoats.)
I'm not surprised to find the Joker is Playing for Keeps. He obviously thinks the rules don't apply to him. (He's a criminal. Of course he does. :-p) We have rules in here, albeit enforced by something that no longer works. I hope our technicians can come up with some alternatives. Do we know what happens when someone is thrown into our colleague's forcefield, for example? Do they bounce? Or something more... painful?
it's certain that we have to deal with those who have taken up a PFK position in order to win. My victory conditions use the same wording for those who have foolishly set themselves against the will of the group as they do for the Detective and his cronies. Thus lynching Santo Rugger is a reasonable position to take, on the evidence.
He is, as the proverb has it, the "bird in the hand." Killing him now does take the Town one step closer to victory. Whether we should, now, depends on our assessment of the truth of his claim, whether we think he can deliver on his promise to find and kill my errant son-in-law, and what we think will happen between now and the time he finally does so.
In other words - will we gain anything, and how much will we lose by leaving him loose to find and kill Batman.
BM is the second obvious target, because of his predecessor's shenanigans. I suppose I could be too kind-hearted in these situations, but my reaction is not to pay attention to metagame issues like this. And we can rule out him being the Bat in person.
I think searching the list of claimed names for the aliases the Scouts are hiding behind will take longer than the time we have until Dusk.
Thus I'm going to vote Santo Rugger, unless some strong evidence against one of the Scouts appears.
*Sigh*
I see in the time it took me to shake my PC and see what rattled (Firefox, for some reason, died and I had to restart my PC) that Santo Rugger is essentially threatening us.
Tut tut. That just makes me want to kill you more.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:12:22 GMT -5
Crap. Forgot to preview. Could a mod add a closed italic tag after this line:
"Sinjin--Uhh, who was Mr. Freeze again?"
Thanks.
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Post by brewha on Apr 4, 2008 11:13:58 GMT -5
You're threatening us? I do not like that. It has been in the back of my mind that if you do kill Batman, then you win and everyone else loses. It seems to me like you are willing to risk everything to get another chance at him - another chance to win the game for yourself.
Of course you would tell us whatever we wanted to hear to get a chance to win the game. So, you've put us in the spot that you will either kill one of us for sure today. Or keep killing us off until you die. That's enough anti-town proof for me.
Unvote Blaster Master
Vote Santo Rugger
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 11:14:17 GMT -5
Like I said, I'm open to guidance. If I kill somebody who wasn't suggested, then Lynch me the next Day. Ok, but what of the bit that sinjin pointed out above: That reads an awful lot like you added the underlined part in yourself. If that's the case, then you're a BatKill away from walking away as the big winner here. The joke, as they say, would be on the rest of us. I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to take that chance.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 4, 2008 11:14:55 GMT -5
Ehh. You guys can make this easy for me... or hard for yourselves. I want to be part of the Town, so I want to find Batman. Out of game, I feel kind of bad for doing this, but in game, I don't give a shit. So, if you guys at least give me the chance to find and kill Batman, and see what the mods have to say about it the next Morning, I'll play nice. However, if you kill me without that chance, I'll take out who I think is the Town's most powerful role at Dusk. Granted, there's no guarantee that won't happen in the future, but at least you guys can have a chance to use a detective and/or doctor for a few more nights. It's your call, but there it is. It may be worth it to keep me around, and it may not, but there ya have it. Like I said, I'm open to guidance. If I kill somebody who wasn't suggested, then Lynch me the next Day. Kind of the way BlaM was used in M2 before we knew his alignment. I think for us to seriously consider this option, we need to know who you think Batman is.
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Santo Rugger
Mome Rath
The Obviously Innocent Townie
The Rugger formerly known as Pygmy[on:BYAHH!][of:BYAHH?]
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:18:45 GMT -5
I don't know anymore who I think Batman is, that's why I said I'm open to guidance, as I said last night. As I also said last Night, I was also willing to kill BlaM so you guys could focus on analysis today instead of getting hung up and just talking about me and him today.
And concerning my win condition, with no offense to fluiddruid, designing a game that can be won on the first Day is retarded. Besides, if that were the case, I'm still going to kill somebody regardless of what happens to me today. If it were Batman, I'd be in a position to win, but only because I'd have joined your team, and not because I'd instawin for guessing right.
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