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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 4, 2008 11:32:04 GMT -5
Extortion is not a flattering look on you, Rugger.
Unvote BLaM Vote Rugger
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Post by Rysto on Apr 4, 2008 11:33:59 GMT -5
Ah, the good old "I have a bomb!" defence. I fell for that one in Conspiracy; I won't do that again. There's every chance that you can't Day Kill if you're dead, so:
Vote Santo
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:34:01 GMT -5
Ehh, it's your call. I'm just along for the ride.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:34:40 GMT -5
Hehe, the difference is, I really DO have a bomb. ;D
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:35:28 GMT -5
Anybody else wanna help me waste the rest of this day by not doing any analysis?
Or thoughts on if I should take out Hal, Hockey, or the Riddler?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:36:29 GMT -5
Santo you're making no sense now with your blackmail.
If you win with town should you vig Batman, why would you arbitrarily take the strongest town member with you when you go? You lose, and you hurt town. You got screwed over by the way things played out through no real fault of your own. So what? You think Atarus and I enjoy having the same damn largely anti-town power even though we're both town? There's hints that I'm still up for lynching at some point. You think it's fair to HM that she has to kill or investigate every night. You think it's fair that MHaye isn't on Hal's list? I'm pretty sure each of us has something in our roles that screws us over. The point is if you are going to lose now unless you kill Batman (because, as I've said a few times before, you will not be alive at the end of game, you are a liability to everyone if you are), wouldn't you want to vig who you think is batman as a last ditch effort. It's the only chance you have to win if you are lynched today. You say you feel guilty out of game about blackmailing us. Fair enough. But in game, it's a stupid play. It guarantees you lose, hurts us in the process, and turns everyone against you.
You might want to think about that.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 4, 2008 11:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 11:39:04 GMT -5
Or thoughts on if I should take out Hal, Hockey, or the Riddler? Phew! I get two outta three!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 4, 2008 11:40:13 GMT -5
Hoopy, I don't think it's me that's not on Hal's list. If he's said that, I missed it.
As far as I recall, the only missing role is Killer Moth.
Perhaps Hal would be good enough to confirm?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:40:31 GMT -5
Hal it is!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:41:48 GMT -5
Santo you're making no sense now with your blackmail. If you win with town should you vig Batman, why would you arbitrarily take the strongest town member with you when you go? You lose, and you hurt town. You got screwed over by the way things played out through no real fault of your own. So what? You think Atarus and I enjoy having the same damn largely anti-town power even though we're both town? There's hints that I'm still up for lynching at some point. You think it's fair to HM that she has to kill or investigate every night. You think it's fair that MHaye isn't on Hal's list? I'm pretty sure each of us has something in our roles that screws us over. The point is if you are going to lose now unless you kill Batman (because, as I've said a few times before, you will not be alive at the end of game, you are a liability to everyone if you are), wouldn't you want to vig who you think is batman as a last ditch effort. It's the only chance you have to win if you are lynched today. You say you feel guilty out of game about blackmailing us. Fair enough. But in game, it's a stupid play. It guarantees you lose, hurts us in the process, and turns everyone against you. You might want to think about that. Ehh. Like I said, in game, I don't really give a shit. WWJD, right?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:42:24 GMT -5
Hoopy, I don't think it's me that's not on Hal's list. If he's said that, I missed it. As far as I recall, the only missing role is Killer Moth. Perhaps Hal would be good enough to confirm? Crap. I was thinking you were killer moth when I did that. I meant Hawkeyop.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 4, 2008 11:44:51 GMT -5
The Joker is so far round the bend he's trying to lap himself. But even he would no better than to make a group of people who's idea of law is "What I say goes and here's my fist to prove it," with whom he is incarcerated with no way of escape, angry at him.
Unless he has an escape route, of course. Like, say, a device to get him through the forcefield safely?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 11:47:32 GMT -5
Hoopy, I don't think it's me that's not on Hal's list. If he's said that, I missed it. As far as I recall, the only missing role is Killer Moth. Perhaps Hal would be good enough to confirm? That's correct -- you're on there, KM is not.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 4, 2008 11:48:31 GMT -5
Okay one thing caught my eye to go over a little. But this alliance between Dark Smurf and the masons. (Penguin and the Pirates) is it leader/followers or all together or not together at all? I found it odd that NAF said he was fibbing about there being more masons. And yet molefan was able to confirm Dark Smurfs role claim. Well, he isn't a pirate is he? Like I said, things are not cut and dry for the masons.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:52:51 GMT -5
Santo you're making no sense now with your blackmail. If you win with town should you vig Batman, why would you arbitrarily take the strongest town member with you when you go? You lose, and you hurt town. You got screwed over by the way things played out through no real fault of your own. So what? You think Atarus and I enjoy having the same damn largely anti-town power even though we're both town? There's hints that I'm still up for lynching at some point. You think it's fair to HM that she has to kill or investigate every night. You think it's fair that MHaye isn't on Hal's list? I'm pretty sure each of us has something in our roles that screws us over. The point is if you are going to lose now unless you kill Batman (because, as I've said a few times before, you will not be alive at the end of game, you are a liability to everyone if you are), wouldn't you want to vig who you think is batman as a last ditch effort. It's the only chance you have to win if you are lynched today. You say you feel guilty out of game about blackmailing us. Fair enough. But in game, it's a stupid play. It guarantees you lose, hurts us in the process, and turns everyone against you. You might want to think about that. Ehh. Like I said, in game, I don't really give a shit. WWJD, right? Fine. Well then we seem to have a Mexican Standoff. Let me throw this out from your PM: You can only Day kill a player if.... You have no guarantee day kill. The pattern I picked up on, (and so did Darth later) is that everyone who's been day killed was on the lynch wagon. So, Hal and HM for your own sake and town's unvote Santo! We don't know his conditional, but at least we remove you from the pool of lynchers. And since right now my power is useless, I've used my one shot, I'm still under suspicion by some, and because I can: Unvote BlasterMaster[/color] Vote Santo[/color]
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 4, 2008 11:55:19 GMT -5
Correction that should be HM don't vote Santo!
Maybe I should actually look to see who's voted first.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 11:56:12 GMT -5
Coincidence. That's not what my conditional is. But good guess.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 4, 2008 11:57:02 GMT -5
Okay one thing caught my eye to go over a little. But this alliance between Dark Smurf and the masons. (Penguin and the Pirates) is it leader/followers or all together or not together at all? I found it odd that NAF said he was fibbing about there being more masons. And yet molefan was able to confirm Dark Smurfs role claim. Well, he isn't a pirate is he? Like I said, things are not cut and dry for the masons. But as my initial post you're referring to said, you and mole posted the exact same time. Yet you didn't confirm the Penguin, molefan did? You actually seemed to be not confirming him. By your statement I quoted. Of course you may not have seen story's question and molefan did, or you have town reasons to keep that private. But saying as others like to say, I am just picking a nit (I think thats how ya'all say it)
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 4, 2008 11:59:24 GMT -5
Coincidence. That's not what my conditional is. But good guess. I think your conditional is that there has to be a lynch for you to kill. (since we are playing this game) and that if we tied up the vote and the mods resolved things you won't get to kill.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 4, 2008 12:01:21 GMT -5
Also, anyone notice that Drainbead has pulled a disapearing act toDay? She has only posted 3 times.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 4, 2008 12:02:38 GMT -5
Hmmm, well that theory might be worth switching back to BlaM to test.
If it will make anyone feel better, NAF, Mole and I can claim Smurf in three-part-harmony if you like. *plows on her tuning pipe* I call dibs on tenor.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 4, 2008 12:04:27 GMT -5
Did a reread - Ryjae full-claims on Day Three, including all of the information about the hats.
Ryjae officially goes on my "probable Town" list. If he is scum, he would have had time to make up a more believable story, or simply omitted the information about having three hats.
I'm going to spend most of the afternoon drawing, so I'm going to unvote Hoopy Frood and unvote Pygmy Rugger. Even if PR was saving his Day kill for the last possible moment, we're early enough in the game that a one-for-one trade is still acceptable.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 12:06:19 GMT -5
Hmmm...
So, first comes the lynch, then comes the gunshot. Hey Rugger? How are you supposed to pull the trigger if you're already dead?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 4, 2008 12:08:24 GMT -5
...so I'm going to unvote Hoopy Frood and unvote Pygmy Rugger. Errr...it's pretty clear what you meant, but just to be sure you might want to clarify that one.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 12:09:00 GMT -5
Hmmm... So, first comes the lynch, then comes the gunshot. Hey Rugger? How are you supposed to pull the trigger if you're already dead? Don't ask me, I asked specifically if it'd go through if I was lynched. They said they were simultaneous. They also said they were supposed to be gunshots, though, and that hasn't happened yet (although I admit they were more fun reading than a simple shooting.) Oh, and NAF, you're wrong about my condition, but I'm willing to entertain more guesses. In game, out of game, whatever, I promise to answer truthfully if one of you nails it.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 4, 2008 12:10:29 GMT -5
Otevay Ountcay Hoopy Frood 1 (Death By Irony) Blaster Master 5 (NAF1138, Brewha, Homonk, Dark Smurf,molefan) Santo Rugger 9 (sinjin, Blaster Master,hawkeyeop,Hal Briston,ryjae,Darth Sensitive, mhaye,ComeDark,Rysto)
One more vote to start a 24 hour countdo-... err... nevermind.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 12:10:58 GMT -5
I don't know anymore who I think Batman is, that's why I said I'm open to guidance, as I said last night. As I also said last Night, I was also willing to kill BlaM so you guys could focus on analysis today instead of getting hung up and just talking about me and him today. And concerning my win condition, with no offense to fluiddruid, designing a game that can be won on the first Day is retarded. Besides, if that were the case, I'm still going to kill somebody regardless of what happens to me today. If it were Batman, I'd be in a position to win, but only because I'd have joined your team, and not because I'd instawin for guessing right. You know, it's funny. Yesterday, when you claimed and were dangling the carrot of cooperation, I honestly thought to myself - "the stick is coming." I can't prove it, of course, but I really thought the smart play would be to threaten reprisal if you don't get your way. So reading the threat made me smile, because I actually was right about something! But the thing is, I also spent some time thinking about it last night and this morning, so I was prepared (see what I did there? It's not just obnoxious crime-fighters who can be prepared). And the bottom line is that one of two things is true: 1. You're bluffing, and have no intention of killing someone that you believe to be pro-Town. or 2. The win condition you've described, where you get to be a Baddie if you Daykill Batman, is a flat out lie. If you really do have that win condition, you can still win the game if you're lynched toDay. Your only chance is to kill Batman toDay, of course, but if you do (according to you), your alignment changes, and you can sit back in the Peanut Gallery and root for Town to win. Now, from where I sit, I can think of nine players who are definitely not Batman (they may be scum of some type, but they're not Batman). I can think of two or three more who are supremely unlikely to be Batman. There are 20 living players, which means if you eliminate those 11 you have a one in nine chance of nailing the Bat toDay just choosing at random. Adding in your own judgment, I'd give you about a 20% chance of picking correctly and killing Batman. Not great odds, to be sure, but if you target someone you know is not Batman, your odds of killing Batman go down to zero, and with them your chances of winning. So if your win condition is what you have claimed it to be, targeting a likely not-Bat player at Dusk would be trading a 20% chance of staying alive for the win for a bit of spite. And whatever you threaten now, I don't believe that you'd do that. So either you're bluffing, in which case we really might as well lynch you since your threat holds no water, or you don't join our side if you kill Batman, in which case we really have to lynch you since we don't know under what circumstances you might win the game. Which is it?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 4, 2008 12:35:52 GMT -5
Ooops, I'm going to do it again.
Brewha votes for SR in D3a.86 and Hoopy Frood in D3a.105.
Plus there's DbI's mistype in D3a.112.
... I'd better go hide now.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 4, 2008 12:41:11 GMT -5
Gah.
vote Pygmy Rugger.
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