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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 12:48:57 GMT -5
Um, what negative aspect would that be? I think you are correct that my and Riddler's results would be essentially the same. You might kill him. He might have some power that activates if he is targeted for a Night kill, to the detriment of either his attacker or the Town. I will not clarify the specifics of the power but this is more or less correct. I don't want to give any more specifics than that because it may give unnecessary clues to my power. As such, I think you're better off investigating people that are not only suspicious, but are also not a big loss if they die. So, you're kind of stuck in a rough spot where you have to balance your suspicion and/or the value of the knowledge of that player's alignment versus that risk of losing that player and/or his powers.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 12:56:08 GMT -5
Ehh. You guys can make this easy for me... or hard for yourselves. I want to be part of the Town, so I want to find Batman. Out of game, I feel kind of bad for doing this, but in game, I don't give a shit. So, if you guys at least give me the chance to find and kill Batman, and see what the mods have to say about it the next Morning, I'll play nice. However, if you kill me without that chance, I'll take out who I think is the Town's most powerful role at Dusk. Granted, there's no guarantee that won't happen in the future, but at least you guys can have a chance to use a detective and/or doctor for a few more nights. It's your call, but there it is. It may be worth it to keep me around, and it may not, but there ya have it. Like I said, I'm open to guidance. If I kill somebody who wasn't suggested, then Lynch me the next Day. Kind of the way BlaM was used in M2 before we knew his alignment. Wow, this is just... wow. If you ARE telling the truth about your role, further sabotaging the town will only mean you DEFINITELY lose. It is certainly in your best interest, if you're lynched Today, to try and find the Batman and kill him so that you become a townie at the same time you die. OTOH, if you're lying about anything, then who knows what your motivation may be. Either way, I just don't get this move on your part.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:16:01 GMT -5
Best interest, schmest interest. Like I said, I really don't give a shit.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 13:16:14 GMT -5
If you really do have that win condition, you can still win the game if you're lynched toDay. Your only chance is to kill Batman toDay, of course, but if you do (according to you), your alignment changes, and you can sit back in the Peanut Gallery and root for Town to win. Now, from where I sit, I can think of nine players who are definitely not Batman (they may be scum of some type, but they're not Batman). I can think of two or three more who are supremely unlikely to be Batman. There are 20 living players, which means if you eliminate those 11 you have a one in nine chance of nailing the Bat toDay just choosing at random. Adding in your own judgment, I'd give you about a 20% chance of picking correctly and killing Batman. Not great odds, to be sure, but if you target someone you know is not Batman, your odds of killing Batman go down to zero, and with them your chances of winning. So if your win condition is what you have claimed it to be, targeting a likely not-Bat player at Dusk would be trading a 20% chance of staying alive for the win for a bit of spite. And whatever you threaten now, I don't believe that you'd do that. So either you're bluffing, in which case we really might as well lynch you since your threat holds no water, or you don't join our side if you kill Batman, in which case we really have to lynch you since we don't know under what circumstances you might win the game. Which is it? Well, you beat me to the main point, but this is definitely something we can flesh out and take to our advantage. Obviously, Batman doesn't want to be targetted by Joker, so it would be nice if we can somehow force him to be in whatever condition it is that allows Joker to kill him, it would also be nice to be pretty explicit about which people are not Joker. Obviously, I'm missing some people in my mind, probably because I'm not caught up, but I would include in the list of definitely not Batman to be Storyteller (from Bane's death), Mr. Freeze (from the Blizzard, could be PFK, but definitely not Batman), the Masons and Penguin (for obvious reasons), and myself (mod confirmed). So, if Joker actually wants a reasonable chance to win, he can give us some information about what let's him kill, and those of us who are definitely not Batman can adjust our votes or whatever in such a way that forces most of the rest to be in that condition. Then Batman is faced with a predicament of either possibly dying or singling himself out as not being willing to follow a plan to the benefit of the town. Obviously, maximizing Joker's chance to hit Batman is in both his and the town's best interest now... no?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:17:25 GMT -5
Oh, and just so it's clear, it's all in the spirit of the game, of course, I don't blame anybody a bit for doing what you guys are doing. Heck, I'd probably be the first to have cast my vote for somebody in my shoes, too. Sorry if it comes off as me being a poor sport or whatever for not giving a shit at this point, but it's more fun for me that way ;D
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:20:02 GMT -5
I like your little game, BlaM, I'm willing to play along, for now. I won't tell you my condition, yet, but it'll be fun to get you guys to try and guess.
Hint #1: As of right now, there's not a single person I can't attempt to kill.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 4, 2008 13:23:25 GMT -5
That is a hint? It is more like an anti-hint...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:25:44 GMT -5
Hey now, it's my last Day, I've gotta stretch this out for awhile... Don't wanna blow my wad right away, so to speak.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:27:59 GMT -5
Okay, Yesterday, there's nobody I couldn't have attempted to kill, either.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 13:29:56 GMT -5
It sounds more like a bunch of WIFOM. If he's telling the truth, we can all avoid doing anthing, and he can't kill anyone. Or he could be lying because the person he wants to kill is currently elligible and he doesn't want him to change? Either way, I don't really buy it because you specifically offered to kill me, which means either you're full of it then, or I did something intervening that changed my eligibility.
But, as long as we're guessing, some things that might make sense for making someone elligibible for the joker might be that the person has to use or not use smilies, maybe he has to use or not use a specific word, maybe that person had to have made a reference to a joke or laughing.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:30:05 GMT -5
On Day 1, I couldn't have killed storyteller, even if I had wanted to.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:31:57 GMT -5
Nope, BlaM, but thanks for playing. Like I said, I'm making an out of game promise that I'll let you guys know if you've guessed right. The only thing you did that was different was to offer me a way to have some fun with my lynch, instead of being sad about it.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:33:07 GMT -5
Oh, and I also promise out of game that all my clues will be 100% accurate. So, this is Pat G talking, not the Joker or Santo or Pygmy.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 13:33:43 GMT -5
Now, from where I sit, I can think of nine players who are definitely not Batman (they may be scum of some type, but they're not Batman). I can think of two or three more who are supremely unlikely to be Batman. There are 20 living players, which means if you eliminate those 11 you have a one in nine chance of nailing the Bat toDay just choosing at random. Adding in your own judgment, I'd give you about a 20% chance of picking correctly and killing Batman. Not great odds, to be sure, but if you target someone you know is not Batman, your odds of killing Batman go down to zero, and with them your chances of winning. So if your win condition is what you have claimed it to be, targeting a likely not-Bat player at Dusk would be trading a 20% chance of staying alive for the win for a bit of spite. And whatever you threaten now, I don't believe that you'd do that. So either you're bluffing, in which case we really might as well lynch you since your threat holds no water, or you don't join our side if you kill Batman, in which case we really have to lynch you since we don't know under what circumstances you might win the game. Which is it? Well, you beat me to the main point, but this is definitely something we can flesh out and take to our advantage. Obviously, Batman doesn't want to be targetted by Joker, so it would be nice if we can somehow force him to be in whatever condition it is that allows Joker to kill him, it would also be nice to be pretty explicit about which people are not Joker. Obviously, I'm missing some people in my mind, probably because I'm not caught up, but I would include in the list of definitely not Batman to be Storyteller (from Bane's death), Mr. Freeze (from the Blizzard, could be PFK, but definitely not Batman), the Masons and Penguin (for obvious reasons), and myself (mod confirmed). So, if Joker actually wants a reasonable chance to win, he can give us some information about what let's him kill, and those of us who are definitely not Batman can adjust our votes or whatever in such a way that forces most of the rest to be in that condition. Then Batman is faced with a predicament of either possibly dying or singling himself out as not being willing to follow a plan to the benefit of the town. Obviously, maximizing Joker's chance to hit Batman is in both his and the town's best interest now... no?[/quote] I like it. It could be problematic, of course, because if the Joker's win condition is "Kill Batman and you win, even if you die at the same time," or - worse yet - "Kill Batman and then die" - we'd be in trouble, but I think those are fairly remote, so I'll let them be for now. Here's my list of living people who are almost definitely unlikely to be Batman: (1) NAF - Mason(2) Cookies - Mason(3) molefan - Mason(4) Dark Smurf - Penguin(5) Blaster Master - moderator statement(6) storyteller (me) - identity confirmed by Koldanar(7) Hoopy Frood - name mostly confirmed by the Deep Freeze(8) ryjae - possibly controversial, but again unless ry and mhaye have cooked up a heck of a fake claim, there ARE hats, and while the Mad Hatter could be scum, he's not Batman(9) Santo Rugger - The JokerThose are the nine solid ones. Of the remainder, I kind of doubt that sinjin, Hal, or hawkeyeop is Batman, although the reasoning underlying each of those is much more tenuous. But were I trying to find Batman specifically, I would target one of the eight players not on this list.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 13:35:04 GMT -5
Oh, and just so it's clear, it's all in the spirit of the game, of course, I don't blame anybody a bit for doing what you guys are doing. Heck, I'd probably be the first to have cast my vote for somebody in my shoes, too. Sorry if it comes off as me being a poor sport or whatever for not giving a shit at this point, but it's more fun for me that way ;D [oog]Not at all. If you weren't fucking with us, I'd be profoundly disappointed. But we're not done yet[/oog] Do you now acknowledge that you claim that you can switch sides if you kill Batman was a lie?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 4, 2008 13:35:37 GMT -5
Anybody else wanna help me waste the rest of this day by not doing any analysis? Or thoughts on if I should take out Hal, Hockey, or the Riddler? Hey! I'm not even voting for you.....YET! ;D
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:36:56 GMT -5
Do you now acknowledge that you claim that you can switch sides if you kill Batman was a lie?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:37:37 GMT -5
Anybody else wanna help me waste the rest of this day by not doing any analysis? Or thoughts on if I should take out Hal, Hockey, or the Riddler? Hey! I'm not even voting for you.....YET! ;D Yeah, but your role could be pretty helpful to the town.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 13:38:30 GMT -5
Joker, can you address my question about the inconsistency of your claim that you could kill me, and now claiming that no one is eligible?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:39:18 GMT -5
Do you now acknowledge that you claim that you can switch sides if you kill Batman was a lie? Oh, and in case the smilies weren't obvious, the answer is, "No, I do not acknowledge that." Like I said earlier, if I was gunna futz with my PM, I would have changed, you know, that pesky little alignment part. So, any more guesses?? Two more guesses gets another clue.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 4, 2008 13:39:38 GMT -5
I'll play Santo, You can only kill someone who has a vote on someone. And I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes, so see ya all.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:40:26 GMT -5
Joker, can you address my question about the inconsistency of your claim that you could kill me, and now claiming that no one is eligible? Double negative. There's NOT a single person I CAN'T attempt to kill right now.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:41:34 GMT -5
I'll play Santo, You can only kill someone who has a vote on someone. And I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes, so see ya all. Nope, but you get a clue anyway, I'll count BlaM's multiple guesses to give you the next hint: NAF is the only other person I couldn't kill on Day 1.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 4, 2008 13:42:37 GMT -5
I'll play Santo, You can only kill someone who has a vote on someone. And I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes, so see ya all. story had a vote on Kat Day 1, so this doesn't fit.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 4, 2008 13:42:41 GMT -5
Do you now acknowledge that you claim that you can switch sides if you kill Batman was a lie? Oh, and in case the smilies weren't obvious, the answer is, "No, I do not acknowledge that." Like I said earlier, if I was gunna futz with my PM, I would have changed, you know, that pesky little alignment part. Then will you address my post at #117, in which I indicate that unless you are lying about that, your threat to take out a Town power role if you're lynched would appear to be a complete bluff?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:44:24 GMT -5
Then will you address my post at #117, in which I indicate that unless you are lying about that, your threat to take out a Town power role if you're lynched would appear to be a complete bluff? I thought I already did? I'd rather stay alive longer and play, than to win in a month and quit playing right now. Selfish? Yes. But I'm playing for keeps, baby! Selfish is my middle name. Joker "Selfish" Rugger.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Apr 4, 2008 13:46:50 GMT -5
I'll play Santo, You can only kill someone who has a vote on someone. And I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes, so see ya all. story had a vote on Kat Day 1, so this doesn't fit. I wanted to kill Rysto on Day 1, and had to put in quite a bit of effort to be able to do so, had I not seen the Kold debacle.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 4, 2008 13:48:40 GMT -5
(1) NAF - Mason(2) Cookies - Mason(3) molefan - Mason(4) Dark Smurf - Penguin(5) Blaster Master - moderator statement(6) storyteller (me) - identity confirmed by Koldanar(7) Hoopy Frood - name mostly confirmed by the Deep Freeze(8) ryjae - possibly controversial, but again unless ry and mhaye have cooked up a heck of a fake claim, there ARE hats, and while the Mad Hatter could be scum, he's not Batman(9) Santo Rugger - The JokerThose are the nine solid ones. Of the remainder, I kind of doubt that sinjin, Hal, or hawkeyeop is Batman, although the reasoning underlying each of those is much more tenuous. But were I trying to find Batman specifically, I would target one of the eight players not on this list. Okay, this is a list I was looking for, I had 7, and thought maybe the Hatter as well, but at the same time, I'd think it could just as easily be part of a very elaborate cover, or even two scum helping to cover for eachother, so I would say more that he's highly unlikely to be Batman, and not definitely like the other 8 names on the list. I didn't think to count Joker, simply because he wouldn't target himself, but I suppose in that regard, since he's not targetting himself he'd be eliminated anyway. I would agree that hawkeyeop (he's Mothman or whatever, right?) and Riddler are unlikely, simply because it's too much attention to be drawing to themselves. If Riddler is scum, I'd see him as an investigative type role (maybe Commisioner Gordon?), but it's still a lot of attention to draw to himself, even if he's scum. I can't recall any reasoning for sinjin off the top of my head, but with the nifty avatars for most of my catching up, I've been associating people more with their roles than their actual user names. While we're at it, though I don't think there's any information that really confirms Two-Face, I think her investigative powers are probably too useful and WILL backfire eventually, that it wouldn't be prudent to keep him--or do I say her, since HM is female? This is confusing--amongst the Batman candidates.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 4, 2008 13:50:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry I played along. Just a suggestion; This Santo stuff is all just a distraction, I would ignore him. It's irrelevant. We can find out his conditions at the end of the game.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 4, 2008 13:51:44 GMT -5
SR's kill limiter is postcounts.
In any given Day, he can't kill anyone who posted more times than he has (aggregated over all threads).
Day 1 NAF posted 115 times, Story 98, Santo R 95 and Rysto 92.
Guess who had the highest postcount on Day 2. And Day 3 so far.
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