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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 7, 2008 13:48:05 GMT -5
(My previous post was in response to Mole's initial vote for Ryjae before switching to Drain.
Darth: We are indeed an odd bunch. No argument there. But odd does not necessarily mean scummy.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 7, 2008 13:50:02 GMT -5
No - but it means you need to be looked at.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 7, 2008 13:53:27 GMT -5
:cough: OH :cough: SHIT! I :cough: forgot :cough: all about my :cough: post restriction. :cough: PLEASE, be :cough: lenient! Leniency is not one of my strong points. RoOsh and I will discuss your punishment. Until then, Blaster Master is vulnerable to sharks!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 7, 2008 13:53:29 GMT -5
You say that as if we have managed to somehow escape scrutiny until now, which I find laughable at best, and shady at worst.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 7, 2008 13:57:23 GMT -5
I think what he's saying, ultimately, is that sooner or later, we're probably going to have to take one of you apart to see what makes you tick. We can scrutinize you all we want, but that will be the only real way to determine your actual alignment.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 7, 2008 14:00:38 GMT -5
I'll be more comfortable with one of us dying for science once we've bagged another Do-Gooder or two.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 7, 2008 14:06:16 GMT -5
Claims: *Brewha - Scarecrow *Cookies - Dehydrating Pirate Goon # 3... Rehydrated *Darth Sensitive - Lex Luthor *Death By Irony - Catwoman *Hal Briston - Riddler *HawkeyeOp - Killer Moth *Molefan1981 - Dehydrated Pirate Goon #2.... Rehydrated *NAF1138 - Dehydrating Pirate Goon # 1... Rehydrated *Ryjae - Mad Hatter *Rysto - Harley Quinn *tdpatriots12 - Ash *The Dark Smurf - Penguin
Confirmed Roles: *Atarus - Clayface - Role-Blocker (via Lynch) *CatinASuit - Hush - Serial Killer (via Day Kill) *HockeyMonkey - Two-Face - Vig/Detective (via Night Kill) *Hoopyfrood - Dr. Freeze - Role Blocker (one shot ability confirmed, at least) *Kat - Azrael / Batgirl - Do-Gooder Goon (via Lynch) *Koldanar - Bane - Bodyguard (via Day Kill) *MHaye - Ras Al Ghul, Vote Charger (via Day Kill) *Santo Rugger - Joker (via Lynch) *Sinjin - Killer Croc - Strong Man (confirmed via surviving a Night kill) *storyteller0910 - Poison Ivy (nameclaim partially confirmed by the death of Bane)
Other: *Drainbead is not a name match to the Ventriloquist according to Hal *ryjae investigated as Playing For Keeps by hawkeyeop I have a feeling I may have missed something, but my brain's feeling a little scrambled. Drainbead may still be Town, but either ryjae or hawkeyeop is lying, so I'll be voting for one of them soonish. Still need to mull over it, though. (Do I, for one, still trust my gut instinct of "why would a scummy ryjae make up such a whacked out roleclaim"?)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 7, 2008 14:11:43 GMT -5
DBI:
Two things -
1. I don't understand. Why do you say that "drainbead may still be Town?" If she is, do you agree that it means that Hal Briston is almost certainly scum? Why would we not focus on that pairing first?
2. Point of order: sinjin's ability to identify her attacker has been confirmed; neither her name nor her alignment have.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 7, 2008 14:26:08 GMT -5
Voterly Count!
Drain Bead 8(Darth Sensitive, Hal Briston, Blaster Master, sinjin, Cookies, hawkeyeop,molefan1981,NAF1138)
Always forget NAF's votes...
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 14:27:52 GMT -5
Voterly Count! Drain Bead 5(Blaster Master, sinjin, Cookies, hawkeyeop) I have her up to 8 so far. And I might note, everyone, that I believe hitting 10 would trigger the 24 clock....no need for that.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 7, 2008 14:29:02 GMT -5
Blaster Master is vulnerable to sharks! :cough: NOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO! :cough:
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 7, 2008 14:36:54 GMT -5
Blaster Master is vulnerable to sharks! :cough: NOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO :cough: OOOO! :cough: At this point, you're just going to piss people off. Your post restriction was violated. NAF did so much better than you; I'm really disappointed, BlaM, I had much higher hopes for a Witch.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 7, 2008 14:43:34 GMT -5
Claims: *Brewha - Scarecrow *Cookies - Dehydrating Pirate Goon # 3... Rehydrated *Darth Sensitive - Lex Luthor *Death By Irony - Catwoman *Hal Briston - Riddler *HawkeyeOp - Killer Moth *Molefan1981 - Dehydrated Pirate Goon #2.... Rehydrated *NAF1138 - Dehydrating Pirate Goon # 1... Rehydrated *Ryjae - Mad Hatter *Rysto - Harley Quinn *tdpatriots12 - Ash *The Dark Smurf - Penguin
Confirmed Roles: *Atarus - Clayface - Role-Blocker (via Lynch) *CatinASuit - Hush - Serial Killer (via Day Kill) *HockeyMonkey - Two-Face - Vig/Detective (via Night Kill) *Hoopyfrood - Dr. Freeze - Role Blocker (one shot ability confirmed, at least) *Kat - Azrael / Batgirl - Do-Gooder Goon (via Lynch) *Koldanar - Bane - Bodyguard (via Day Kill) *MHaye - Ras Al Ghul, Vote Charger (via Day Kill) *Santo Rugger - Joker (via Lynch) *Sinjin - Killer Croc - Strong Man (confirmed via surviving a Night kill) *storyteller0910 - Poison Ivy (nameclaim partially confirmed by the death of Bane)
Other: *Drainbead is not a name match to the Ventriloquist according to Hal *ryjae investigated as Playing For Keeps by hawkeyeop I have a feeling I may have missed something, but my brain's feeling a little scrambled. :cough: You did, I'm not on the list. :cough: :cough: That said, :cough: this list is dangerous. :cough: Hoopy, for instance, :cough: is confirmed as Mr. Freeze in my eyes, :cough: but that doesn't confirm his alignment at all. :cough: Same goes for :cough: sinjin, except even his name is :cough: potentially not verified either. :cough: :cough: I guess that it's :cough: theoretically possible that :cough: Drain Gead could be :cough: town along with :cough: Hal, but that :cough: explanation just doesn't seem too likely. :cough:
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 7, 2008 14:47:37 GMT -5
At this point, you're just going to piss people off. Your post restriction was violated. Not nearly :cough: as much as zuma I :cough: expect. Besides, if I :cough: have a posting restriction I :cough: might as well try to have :cough: fun with :cough: it, especially after I have gone :cough: and screwed it :cough: up. As a :cough: Witch, I never have to :cough: get sick, so this whole :cough: coughing this is all :cough: new to :cough: me. :cough:
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 14:56:32 GMT -5
NAF did so much better than you; I'm really disappointed, BlaM, I had much higher hopes for a Witch. A Witch? Hmm...I'm running to lunch now, but something tells me that "Joe Chill" isn't a witch's name. If this is going where I think it is, that's some pretty severe punishment.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 7, 2008 14:59:34 GMT -5
NAF did so much better than you; I'm really disappointed, BlaM, I had much higher hopes for a Witch. A Witch? Hmm...I'm running to lunch now, but something tells me that "Joe Chill" isn't a witch's name. If this is going where I think it is, that's some pretty severe punishment. I don't think that's going anywhere game-related; BlaM and Dio were both Witches in Pleonast's Conspiracy game.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 7, 2008 15:19:37 GMT -5
Shall we burn them?
And yes, storyteller correctly fleshed out my lack of faith in the Masons.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 7, 2008 15:28:35 GMT -5
I'll be more comfortable with one of us dying for science once we've bagged another Do-Gooder or two. And by then it might be to late. Sounds like what Santo was trying yesterday. Live a little longer just to get his win condition set. Me or Moth will have to die, if its me first I'm okay with that because his lie will be revealed and he will die shortly thereafter. If it's him first the town will see he is scum or PFK(don't really think PFK though unless its something really weird*) and be able to move on. But a "mason" must die for the town to know, and since there are 4 of you, the sooner the better. *I say something really weird, as in he gets something for him getting me lynched. Oddball yeah, but since daY 1 with his flyby vote on me for wiki links he has had an aimpoint on me. Part of me wonders if he gets something for him leading me to my death.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 15:31:48 GMT -5
I don't think that's going anywhere game-related; BlaM and Dio were both Witches in Pleonast's Conspiracy game. Ohhhh...ok, that's kosher. I thought I was going to have to go through the list of names and run them all through Wikipedia to see which one was a witch. I thought a sell-out like that was pretty damn harsh punishment for not maintaining a post restriction, but hey, if it brought us some answers...
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 7, 2008 15:36:31 GMT -5
Shall we burn them? And yes, storyteller correctly fleshed out my lack of faith in the Masons. Yeah, but I don't understand why. You have 4 100% confirmed townies. You know we aren't Do Gooders, and I am assuming you know we aren't PFK's. There isn't another mason group out there...I am not really seeing your problem with us (and I am REALLY not seeing ryjae's). I have said before, there is some other stuff going on, but 99.9% of it is of no consequence to the town at large, and I don't see the point in bringing it up. I for one, would have not chosen to say that smurf was one of our own. I think that he was a bigger asset to the town if he stayed hidden. Mole seems to have disagreed, and took a different approach. What can I say? It was a difference in approach to a situation, and we can to different conclusions and simulposted. But if you are seriously saying you want to kill confirmed townies, I am saying you are nuts.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 7, 2008 15:40:51 GMT -5
You're confirmed town? I missed it, can you post a link to a post that a mod confirmed you as town or one of you died and shown to be town?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 15:46:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but I don't understand why. You have 4 100% confirmed townies. You know we aren't Do Gooders, and I am assuming you know we aren't PFK's. Is there a single confirmed statement there? What we know is that there are four of you working together on the same team. I think you're town. I'm almost certain you're not do-gooders. I have nothing saying that you're not PFK. I could very easily see the mods coming up with a PFK wn condition for the Penguin and his henchmen, and I agree that the time is going to come when it'll be time to count your rings. However, known dangers are more important than potential ones, so for me, I'm just keeping you folks in the "probably town" file.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 7, 2008 15:49:34 GMT -5
You're confirmed town? I missed it, can you post a link to a post that a mod confirmed you as town or one of you died and shown to be town? So let me get this straight. You are hypothisizing that 4 Do Gooders decided to take the gamble that there were NO MASONS AT ALL in the game, and claim mason? Or that 4 PFK's did the same thing? How does that make sense. Run the numbers and convince yourself that there are no less than 5 Do Gooders left if this game is even going to pretend to be balanced. Then look at the number of PFK's we probably need to maintain the same balance. I am saying that there are at least 7 people we need to lynch before town can calim a win, and you want to waste your time with the 4 people statistically LEAST likely to be scum?
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Post by Hawkmod on Apr 7, 2008 16:04:09 GMT -5
NAF,
Can you say for certain that all other masons have the same win condition as you?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 16:06:32 GMT -5
No, I'm hypothesizing that there's a none-too-shabby chance that the mods decided that Penguin & the Pirates would together be Playing For Keeps, with their own group win condition.
While your are, as you say, statistically least likely to be scum, we have no indication that you're town. Sorry, straight-up fact.
Take refuge in the fact that the death of one of you all but confirms the other three. The rest of us have to die ourselves to gain that benefit.
Again, however, I don't find this to be a pressing issue.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 7, 2008 16:12:49 GMT -5
No, I'm hypothesizing that there's a none-too-shabby chance that the mods decided that Penguin & the Pirates would together be Playing For Keeps, with their own group win condition. While your are, as you say, statistically least likely to be scum, we have no indication that you're town. Sorry, straight-up fact. Take refuge in the fact that the death of one of you all but confirms the other three. The rest of us have to die ourselves to gain that benefit. Again, however, I don't find this to be a pressing issue. I don't really have a problem with your posisiton. But the difference is, I see what you are saying as a bit of healthy (for mafia) paranoia, whereas Ryjae's position is a bit more...intentional? To Hawk, I assume that they have the same win condition as me. I suppose I don't really know they do, but they were listed as fellow masons when I got my role PM. I don't see the point of a masonry where not everyone is on the same team.
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 7, 2008 17:28:31 GMT -5
1. I don't understand. Why do you say that "drainbead may still be Town?" If she is, do you agree that it means that Hal Briston is almost certainly scum? Why would we not focus on that pairing first? There's a minor, minor possibility that drainbead's actual rolename is whatever other names that are associated with the Ventriloquist. For me, scum is scum. I was focusing more on ryjae myself because of my suspicions of him earlier. 2. Point of order: sinjin's ability to identify her attacker has been confirmed; neither her name nor her alignment have. True, but she was mod-confirmed as having survived a Night Kill; even if she could be lying about her alignment she would have little reason to lie about her rolename.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 7, 2008 17:39:12 GMT -5
There's a minor, minor possibility that drainbead's actual rolename is whatever other names that are associated with the Ventriloquist. You do understand that her other names do not appear on my list, correct? If that's the case, and you're doubting the entirety of my role, that's fine -- I just want to be clear that you're aware of what's been put out there.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 7, 2008 18:02:40 GMT -5
You're confirmed town? I missed it, can you post a link to a post that a mod confirmed you as town or one of you died and shown to be town? So let me get this straight. You are hypothisizing that 4 Do Gooders decided to take the gamble that there were NO MASONS AT ALL in the game, and claim mason? Or that 4 PFK's did the same thing? How does that make sense. Run the numbers and convince yourself that there are no less than 5 Do Gooders left if this game is even going to pretend to be balanced. Then look at the number of PFK's we probably need to maintain the same balance. I am saying that there are at least 7 people we need to lynch before town can calim a win, and you want to waste your time with the 4 people statistically LEAST likely to be scum? Umm but NAF you previously said that you specifically asked the mods if you guys would be revealed as masons on your death. So your argument above is rather specious. You KNOW you will be revealed as masons on your death. You also asked the mods if your alignment would bleed thru on death, which I continue to find intriguing. NAF
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 7, 2008 18:08:01 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You are hypothisizing that 4 Do Gooders decided to take the gamble that there were NO MASONS AT ALL in the game, and claim mason? Or that 4 PFK's did the same thing? How does that make sense. Run the numbers and convince yourself that there are no less than 5 Do Gooders left if this game is even going to pretend to be balanced. Then look at the number of PFK's we probably need to maintain the same balance. I am saying that there are at least 7 people we need to lynch before town can calim a win, and you want to waste your time with the 4 people statistically LEAST likely to be scum? Umm but NAF you previously said that you specifically asked the mods if you guys would be revealed as masons on your death. So your argument above is rather specious. You KNOW you will be revealed as masons on your death. You also asked the mods if your alignment would bleed thru on death, which I continue to find intriguing. NAFYou have already posted all the relevant information...is there something else you want to know? I am not sure what you are getting at.
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