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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 14, 2008 23:19:48 GMT -5
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Ryjae 3 (molefan1981, hawkeyeop, Blaster Master)
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Apr 15, 2008 2:28:51 GMT -5
Trying to keep everything straight is doing my head in. But I would like to pick up on something, I think it was Rysto, said that the Do Gooders more than likely don't (or seem not to) actually have 'in-game' powers to go along with their disguises. Which could give us a clue to try and find the Do Gooders. So on that basis who do we have (This is all compeletly from memory so feel free to correct me if I've cocked up any of the details) - Death By Irony - Catwoman - Hasn't claimed any powers - & hasn't used any we know of. Rysto - Harley Quinn - Has alluded to having powers but hasn't used any we know of. Ryjae - Mad Hatter - has powers - confirmed use of them HawkeyeOp - Killer Moth - claims to have powers, claims to have used them - if Ryjae is lynched will provide some proof. Darth Sensitive - Lex Luthor - Hasn't claimed any powers - & hasn't used any we know of. Sinjin - Killer Croc - claimed powers & has verifiably used them Hoopyfrood - Mr. Freeze - claimed powers & has verifiably used them Storyteller - Poison Ivy - Hasn't claimed any specific powers - & hasn't used any we know of. Brewha - Scarecrow - claimed powers & has verifiably used them BLaM/zuma - Joe Chill - Hasn't claimed any powers - & hasn't used any we know of. So, based on this theory, in my mind that means those most likely to be do gooders are: Death By Irony - Catwoman Rysto - Harley Quinn Darth Sensitive - Lex Luthor Storyteller - Poison Ivy BLaM/zuma - Joe Chill These are my Do Gooders pool, the five people I think are most likely to be Do Gooders. Purely on the fact that they haven't proved that they have powers linked to their claimed names. And the scary thing to me is based upon the turning of "approx" four of those five could be Do Gooders. Which then means those that have shown powers are to mind potential PFKers. Ryjae - Mad Hatter Sinjin - Killer Croc Ryjae - his powers could very easily be a mad bomber type role, and according to Hawkeye he is a PFK. If he is that would mean we have ID'd all the PFKers (including tdpatriots - Ash) Sinjin - I am confident to say is not a Do Gooder. I think her power would be pretty crappy if she was a Do Gooder. It would only have been useful against a single person (Hush). Ignoring the fact it actually turned out that way , it would be pretty bastard design to give a Do Gooder that power. So again if Ryjae is proved a PFK I'll happily put Sinjin in the probably town tray. (If not, hmmm, big question) Two special cases Hoopyfrood - Mr. Freeze Brewha - Scarecrow These two have displayed powers matching their claimed names (assuming the colour, including PM colour, can be at least partially relied on) so are unlikely to be Do Gooders. Even if they were Do Gooder roleblockers, I wouldn't expect the colour of them carrying out the role block would match the disguise? A doc/roleblocker PFK doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to me, it would be a pretty ordinary power for a PFK to have since they're all out for themselves. So I'm inclined to put Brewha & Hoopy in the likely Town category at the moment. One more special case HawkeyeOp - Killer Moth Hawkeyeop - The possibilities twist my mind a bit for Hawkeye. If Ryjae is not PFK, Hawkeye is taking an insane risk, so I'm pretty happy to accept Hawkeye's pointed finger on face value and go after Ryjae. BUT even if Ryjae is confirmed as a PFK, I'm afraid it is not going to make me mark Hawkeye as probable town. Lets pretend for a moment he is a DG investigator, & that he finds out Ryjae is a PFK. Go ahead and dob him him, they need to eliminate the PFKers as much as town do. Gets him good town cred, and has even been smart enough to claim his role only works on PFKers so he never cops any heat for not being able to find and DGrs. Finally tdpatriots, lucky last, you have self claimed as the survivor, I have absolutely no reason to doubt that claim, even if I don't understand why you did it. I don't support lynching you just yet, because A) you're not a risk just yet - you won't survive to the endgame, but that seems a few days off yet. B) The DGers need to get rid of you as well, because you can just as easily steal the victory from them as from the town. So in what may become a game of chicken between town and scum, we may be able to force the scum to waste a nightkill on taking you out, instead of a townie. Anyway, sorry for the long post but wanted to get it all out. At the end of all that I will Vote RyjaeRyjae if you've been set up by Hawkeye, I apologise in advance but I can simply see no rational reason as to why Hawkeyeop would but the finger on you if he does not have the power he says he does. At least if you're confirmed as town it will mean a trade of a town for a PFK or Do-Gooder.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 15, 2008 3:29:52 GMT -5
Alright, let's put some of these absurd scum-Mason theories to bed right now. Please remember that I VOUCH FOR NAF, COOKIES and SMURF. I know they're town; they know I'm town. It's not just a case of being told "these people may be able to help you"; I have been given specific information about their alignment by the mods, and they've been given specific information about mine. We KNOW that each of us are baddies. There is no margin for error here. And to anybody who's doubtful about me, I'd like you to consider the following from this post back on DAY TWO: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=299&page=2#19646Drainbead also supports Kat over NAF, despite the Mason claim. This looks definitely suspicious to me (but then I'm biased, given I'm a Mason.)At this point, Kat hasn't appeared to defend herself. She does now, and Drainbead - who's previously supported her fairly innocuously - now does so explicitly.
Kat comes back at Diggit, and suggests that she's been accused of "stoking the fire" against Drainbead. (She hasn't - I went over the post again and there's no "accusation" there. This looks like an attempt to separate herself from Drainbead here.)
DRAINBEAD looks slightly scummy. For one thing, Kat apparently distanced herself from him once when she didn't really need to. For another, he's supported her subtly twice when she was under fire. A third thing is that Drain had no hesitation joining the cookies bandwagon. None of this is damning, but taken together it makes me look at him with some suspicion.
So based purely on the Kat voting, my top four suspects right now would have to be ATARUS, DRAIN, TDPATRIOT and HAL B.
Now, whatever your opinions of me, I hope you give me enough credit not to try and get ANOTHER of my fellow scum ousted when one has already just been taken out? At that point there was no Atarus "bandwagon", remember - nobody even voted for him before I did. There could easily have been a target switch. When there was, and DrainBead was targeted, I supported his lynch. I was one of the first people to vote for him. I was dismissive of other targets proposed by other people. I basically did everything I could to keep the target on him. A nice way to treat someone who's supposed to be my partner, posting a lot of evidence against him and then doing everything possible to encourage his lynch later on! Are the Masons playing for keeps? Well, first off, has there been any indication that any PFK character has ever known about or been dependant on any other PFK character? Not that I can recall. Santo and CIAS acted entirely alone. Ryjae, assuming he's PFK, seems to be acting alone. TDPatriots, who seems to have been curiously forgotten, is almost certainly acting alone assuming he's PFK. Say that I'm PFK if you want - but then you also have to say that NAF, Smurf and Cookies are PFK as well. Which means EIGHT confirmed PFK characters. That and the scum, assuming there are four or five, make up nearly half the cast! Does anybody think that would be a remotely balanced game? And yet, even though there's never been any indication of PFKs working together, even though the number of confirmed PFKs already combined with the Masons would make the game blatantly unbalanced, there are some people who are screaming that we're NOT town, that we've got some other agenda. LOOK VERY HARD AT THESE PEOPLE. Right now I'm 85% convinced Brewha is scum. He stayed out of the Kat thing, and I'm pretty sure that at least one scum would. He only ever seems to appear when there's a bandwagon about, and his views don't ever seem to match mine. Since I'm more and more sure that mine are, on the whole, justified, that leaves me with the opinion that either he's very bad, or he's deliberately lying. I still think we need to confirm Ryjae this round, but next round I suggest Brewha as a target.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 15, 2008 6:37:26 GMT -5
Well, first off, has there been any indication that any PFK character has ever known about or been dependant on any other PFK character? Not that I can recall. Santo and CIAS acted entirely alone. Ryjae, assuming he's PFK, seems to be acting alone. TDPatriots, who seems to have been curiously forgotten, is almost certainly acting alone assuming he's PFK. And let us not forget Hal was PFK acting alone as well. The color text of his defeat implies that his goal was merely to figure out who had what for their actual character. A goal completely independent from anyone else's, though very beneficial to town should he reveal what he knows. This is also why I wouldn't be surprised if tdpatriots is telling the truth about his goal. Apparently the only confirmed malicious ones were Santo and CIAS, and Santo (allegedly) had a condition that would make him town and no longer a malicious threat.
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Post by brewha on Apr 15, 2008 6:50:02 GMT -5
Right now I'm 85% convinced Brewha is scum. He stayed out of the Kat thing, and I'm pretty sure that at least one scum would. He only ever seems to appear when there's a bandwagon about, and his views don't ever seem to match mine. Since I'm more and more sure that mine are, on the whole, justified, that leaves me with the opinion that either he's very bad, or he's deliberately lying. I still think we need to confirm Ryjae this round, but next round I suggest Brewha as a target. I'm very bad or lying? I'm the fucking Scarecrow. I scare people at night. That has been independently verified by three people. How could I be lying? Or, what am I lying about? Why would three other people lie for me? So, that leaves me as 'very bad'. And that, I will own up to. I am a baddie. Unless, of course you meant bad as good, which I believe you did. You seem to have issues keeping things straight, like when you refer to the Masons as your 'fellow scum'. You should really watch that. Yes, I stayed out of the Kat thing. I've been staying out of alot of things. I've been trying to stay under the radar to keep from getting killed so I can protect people at night. It's kind of a bad idea for a doctor role to flamboyantly run around and make himself known. This little attack on me makes absolutely no sense. It actually adds a bit of substance to the idea that blocking NAF on night one stopped him from killing. Why else would you be vocally against another mason role block when it was suggested that Hoopy Frood do it?
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Post by brewha on Apr 15, 2008 7:17:12 GMT -5
NETA It seems that it may have been a different mason that was vocal against Hoopy Frood role blocking a mason. But, it still seems odd.
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Post by brewha on Apr 15, 2008 7:19:46 GMT -5
NETA(again)
It was DarkCookies. But you're all still in this together.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 15, 2008 8:43:52 GMT -5
We KNOW that each of us are baddies. There is no margin for error here. No one is doubting that this is your claim. I firmly believe that if you are a Baddie, for instance, then so are all three of the others. [/i]Now, whatever your opinions of me, I hope you give me enough credit not to try and get ANOTHER of my fellow scum ousted when one has already just been taken out? [/quote] Once again: any time I've ever noticed myself saying, "there's no way that scum would do X," I metaphorically punch myself in the teeth until that thought goes away. I assume that scum might do anything. Because they might. Can I envision a scenario where scum might bus two of their fellows? Sure. I did it myself, in my very first game, back to back; in that game I was immune to Night kills and investigations, so if I earned enough trust I couldn't lose. Scum might do anything. Of course, no one really thinks the Masons are scum, as in Do-Gooders, I don't think. No. Actually, I don't. (strictly speaking, we have only three confirmed PFK characters: Riddler, Joker, Hush. ryjae denies the accusation, and tdpatriots12 could be a Do-Gooder trying a very interesting ploy. But your point stands. Given what we now know, the Masons seem unlikely to be "playing for keeps" in the same sense as the Riddler, Joker, and Hush. That still doesn't rule out the possibility of the Masons having an extra, Mason-only win condition, as previous Mason groups have had. But... well, more on this in a few minutes. Here's where you lost me. A lot of people stayed out of the Kat thing. There are only three players of uncertain alignment who voted for Kat - me, Darth Sensitive, and Rysto. So this applies equally to brewha and about half a dozen other players. Behavior as consistent with being a Doctor trying to keep a low profile as with scum. This is just my opinion, and it may be wrong. But I think if you find yourself saying, "you disagree with me, and therefore you must be either stupid or scum," you might want to look closely at your own sense of infalliability. Sure! Let's kill our Doctor with no evidence, instead of the guy who has explicitly claimed to be PFK.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 9:56:04 GMT -5
This little attack on me makes absolutely no sense. It actually adds a bit of substance to the idea that blocking NAF on night one stopped him from killing. Why else would you be vocally against another mason role block when it was suggested that Hoopy Frood do it? My pirate friend is a bit over enthusiastic. Role block a mason, it doesn't really matter, and frankly we could probably use the protection. With all the investigators down I am fairly certain that we are next on the Do Gooders list of folks to take out.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 10:01:11 GMT -5
Also, for what it's worth, I am fairly convinced that you are a baddie brewha. Mole disagrees, but we are only in this together (as you put it) to the extent that we absolutly know each others motives are pro baddie. Beyond that we aren't "in this together" any more than any other baddie is.
I do wonder if the people who are continuing to throw doubt on the masons aren't scum. Kat did it. Drain did it. Hal did it. CIAS didn't, Sato waffled. I don't know, maybe it's just me being overly sensitve to the situation.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 15, 2008 10:16:54 GMT -5
BLaM/zuma - Joe Chill - Hasn't claimed any powers - & hasn't used any we know of. FTR, this is not true. I have claimed to have two powers. I claimed that one loses a large amount of it's usefulness if it is known, which is why I haven't claimed it, the other one I alluded to when recommending that Two-Face not be the one to investigate me. For the rest of you're reasoning, I would be inclined to say that those who demonstrate powers that correlate with their name means they're probably that name and so likely, at worst, PFK. As such, I think people like Scarecrow and Mr. Freeze are very unlikely to be Do-Gooders, but are in no way eliminated from being PFK.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 15, 2008 10:40:57 GMT -5
Let's look at what I said regarding blocking the Masons again: It seems to me that there are two possibilities: either brewha blocked the Do-Gooders from killing NAF, or brewha blocked NAF from night-killing. Hoopy, if I were you I'd consider throwing a block NAF's way. If he's scum, great! Otherwise, he's just a Mason, so it's not like you'd be blocking an important pro-town role. Bearing in mind that there are 4 people who categorically dismiss the 2nd option... No one can completely believe us until one of us dies, but wasting a block on NAF could end up being more costly than just killing a Mason outright, depending on the potential action/target combinations that would be allowed to run their course unchecked. Note that I do not speak out in opposition of all blocking scenarios involving the Masons. It was specifically Hoopy's (alleged) blocking-with-no-protection power (at least that is how I understand his remaining power to work). Four of us know that using such a power on us can in no way benefit the town. Depending on what dangers are lurking out in the dark corners of the asylum, those blocking powers could be very beneficial to the town, if applied elsewhere. Now protective blocking powers used on one of the 4 of us could certainly result in a town benefit, but that was not what was proposed in the post that I responded to. For the record, I am also inclined to believe that brewha is not lying about his role, and is likely a Baddie. I'm still torn about what to do with our Mad Hatter, though, and I believe that question is at the top of the stack for us all to ponder right now. His death will be very enlightening, but I cannot deny that I've spent at least half of the game believing that he is a zealous (perhaps occasionally overly so) Baddie, and my confidence that we can withstand the lynch of an innocent, even if it uncovers many leads, is not extremely high at the moment.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 15, 2008 11:08:15 GMT -5
Ok, I went back and looked at names, claims and claimed actions and I think I have the straight now. I also searched NAF's posts about his Night one incident, though why he couldn't or wouldn't do that himself I don't know. Now to me this pretty well checks out with a brewha/scarecrow block on N1. BTW NAF how did you know you were attacked by Do-Gooders in disguise?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 15, 2008 11:14:01 GMT -5
I'm still torn about what to do with our Mad Hatter, though, and I believe that question is at the top of the stack for us all to ponder right now. His death will be very enlightening, but I cannot deny that I've spent at least half of the game believing that he is a zealous (perhaps occasionally overly so) Baddie, and my confidence that we can withstand the lynch of an innocent, even if it uncovers many leads, is not extremely high at the moment. However, if hawkeyop is town, Ryjae is going to gank him tonight. Unless someone blocks Ryjae. FTR, I will not do so, because it gains town nothing. So if we left Ryjae live through the night the following scenarios present themselves: Case 1: hawk dies. His alignment/role are revealed 1.a He's town, Ryjae is anti-town PFK and must be lynched 1.b He's town, Ryjae is scum and must be lynched (unlikely, since both hawk an Ryjae say that Ryjae is PFK) 1.c He's PFK w/detective: Ryjae is PFK. Maliciousness is unknown. 1.d He's PFK non-detective: Ryjae is likely PFK. Maliciousness is unknown. 1.e He's scum detective: Ryjae is PFK. Maliciousness is unknown. 1.f He's scum, non-detective: Ryjae is likely PFK. Maliciousness is unknown. Case 2: hawk lives. 2.a Ryjae is lying about bomb hatting him, either no bomb, or nor hat period. hawk may be lying about being hatted as well. 2.b Ryjae neglected to set the bomb off for some unknown reason. 2.c Someone blocked Ryjae. This could mean there's a scum (i.e. Do-Gooder) blocker existing. However, that would mean town would have to believe the two currently confirmed blockers contentions that we didn't block Ryjae, assuming we contend we didn't. (I can't see why, if we're pro-town, we would block him if town elected to leave him alive for toDay.) There are a lot of what-ifs in leaving Ryjae alive toDay. Too many, I think, to take the risk. The possible payoff doesn't seem to make it a good gamble for town from what I see.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 11:14:05 GMT -5
Ok, I went back and looked at names, claims and claimed actions and I think I have the straight now. I also searched NAF's posts about his Night one incident, though why he couldn't or wouldn't do that himself I don't know. Now to me this pretty well checks out with a brewha/scarecrow block on N1. BTW NAF how did you know you were attacked by Do-Gooders in disguise? I thought I said that already. I was told in a second pm that dawn when I was told about the post restriction. I am done making assumptions though, it is possible that I am reading too much into the color of that pm.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 15, 2008 11:17:25 GMT -5
(unlikely, since both hawk an Ryjae say that Ryjae is PFK) I didn't mean to add that part. I was typing too fast without rereading what I wrote. (I still maintain that it's unlikely Ryjae is scum in any scenario.)
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 11:18:14 GMT -5
I also searched NAF's posts about his Night one incident, though why he couldn't or wouldn't do that himself I don't know. Also, real quick like. Two reasons why I didn't do it myself. 1) It doesn't gain the town anything if I dig up supporting info for myself. 2) tax season. My day job is with a buisiness management firm and while I don't personally work in the tax department, my boss is co-ordinating what is happening with the tax department and what is happening on my end, and the last several days have been full of office tension and me cleaning up the tax departments messes. I am playing this game entirely off the top of my head write now. 3) I am fundimentally a very lazy player when it comes to my own defense. (Did I say 2 reasons? Well laziness wins out again, I am not changing the top of my post.)
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Post by Rysto on Apr 15, 2008 12:13:54 GMT -5
So I've looked some more at the end of Day 1, and it's pretty confusing. Here's the sequence that stands out most to me:
Vote Tally: CIAS: 4 Kat: 4 Kassia: 3
Kat votes CIAS Kat unvotes CIAS Kat votes Kassia (this makes a 4-4-4 tie) Klutz votes Kassia (Kassia leads 5-4-4)
I still don't understand what on earth Kat was doing here. I can think of only two things: either Kat was trying for townie cred("Look at me, I'm voting for who I think is scummiest instead of for self-preservation!"), or Kat knew that the Do-Gooders didn't have any abilities that activate in the event of a lynch, and tried for the tie to avoid activating a townie/PFK's ability.
Now, does anyone think that Kat would have considered either possibility to be worth a 2/3 chance of lynching a Do-Gooder? I don't. But then, just above story has reminded us all of the dangers of saying that "scum wouldn't do that", so maybe the whole thing was an elaborate ruse on Kat's part to gain her or Kassia townie cred. Still, I have a hard time believe that both Klutz and Kassia were Do-Gooders -- not when CIAS was on the block, too.
That's it for now, but I'll be back in a little while with more. Something else has really stood out to me.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 14:16:54 GMT -5
Sooooo, is it that everyone else is getting slamed by the last day of tax season too or has everone just got better things to do today?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 15, 2008 14:18:58 GMT -5
I am the State of California's bitch, at the moment. Moving across state lines (and specifically into CA) sucks ass for the procrastinating self-filer...
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 15, 2008 14:22:26 GMT -5
I am the State of California's bitch, at the moment. Moving across state lines (and specifically into CA) sucks ass for the procrastinating self-filer... Ouch, yeah it does. Good luck cookies.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 15, 2008 14:36:56 GMT -5
Still working on things here. When it all comes together I'll let you know. I should have it for tomorrow at the latest.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 15, 2008 14:41:01 GMT -5
Just a recap of the claimed night block, investigations. Please correct me if I got any of this wrong. Night 1: Brewha blocks NAF Atarus blocks Rysto Hoopy blocks Santo Hawkeyeop investigates CIAS, gets no result and is not killed Do-gooders remove no one Night 2: Brewha blocks story Hoopy blocks everyone Hawkeyeop investigates Hal Do-gooders remove no one Night 3: Brewha blocks tdpats Hoopy blocks Darth Sensitive/Klutz Hawkeyeop investigates Ryjae and finds him to be PFK Do-gooder's remove HockeyMonkey (Baddie investigator) Night 4: Brewha blocks story Hoopy blocks Rysto Hawkeyeop investigates? ?? Do-gooders remove the Riddler (PFK investigator) Note by Day two the Do-gooders were probably getting a little panicy. They lost one of their own on Day one and were unable to remove anyone on Night 1. A lot of folks are saying it does no good to look at the atarus lynch because neither Cat nor atarus were Do-gooders. However, if the Do-gooders were blocked Night one (and it seems they were) they would have extra incentive to get rid of a blocker before Night 2. Chances are Cat, the claimed vig, would take out another Baddie or PFK on Night 2 anyway, if he didn't really lose his falsely claimed vig power. Wanders off to look at atarus wagon pushers and pullers and those tut-tutting looking at same.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 15, 2008 16:11:45 GMT -5
Ok, with the gracious assistance of the Mods, here's what I've got. When I left off my description of the end of Day 1, kassia led CIAS and Cat 5-4-4. Here's the next sequence: Rugger votes Kat to tie things up. Hawkeye answers a couple posts from several pages back, and votes Kat for being unable to roleclaim Exactly 73 seconds later, Hawkeye unvotes Kat and switches to Kassia. I'll get to his reasoning in a minute, but first let's examine the timing here. Now, I know that it was exactly 73 seconds because, when you reply to a post, you see the Unix timestamp in your reply. The mods have graciously unlocked the Day One, Part Two thread so we can all see these timestamps. The voting for Kat post came here, at exactly 1206147105. The unvote post came here,at exactly 1206147178. For those of you unfamiliar with Unix timestamps, they are measured in seconds. The difference between the two timestamps tells us that Hawk's unvote came 73 seconds after the vote. So we're expected to believe that in the space of 73 seconds, Hawk got completely caught up, saw the role claim and made a spur of the moment decision to accept the claim. And let's not forget that Kat's claim originally came in at 1206146513, nearly 10 minutes before. I don't buy it. He got caught up way too quickly. I think that Hawk wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He wanted cred for voting Kat, but he didn't want to break the tie and get her lynched. So he waited for the claim, placed his vote as if he was behind and hadn't yet seen the claim, and then immediately backed off because, and I quote "Please don't hold it against me either, but I'm voting for a vig yet and I find the case against Kassia uncompelling". I'll take that to mean "I'm not voting for a Vig yet." So, Hawk, what's your opinion on Vig claims? (bolding mine) (bolding changed to underlining to make clearer)Wait, what? Your default position is to assume that killers are not pro-Town? What, unless they just happen to be Do-Gooders? Is anybody believing this? CIAS called him on it at the time, but everybody else seemed to miss that bit. I know that I did. And now we come to the final inconsistency: Hawk has claimed to be a cop who can detect PFKs. CIAS claims Vig. It's pretty obvious that CIAS is either a Vig or an SK. So what's the reasonable, pro-Town thing to do in such a situation? How about you, I don't know, investigate CIAS before voting to lynch him? That way, if he turns up Town you don't help to lynch a Vig! Of course, if Hawk's a Do-Gooder this vote makes perfect sense. Either a Vig or an SK is dangerous to the scum, so he doesn't care which, only that CIAS die. I'm still trying to decide whether my vote toDay will be for Ryjae or Hawk. I don't believe that Hawk has lied about Ryjae's alignment -- it just doesn't make any sense to make such a lie. But I have grave doubts about his towniness.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 15, 2008 16:13:34 GMT -5
Sooooo, is it that everyone else is getting slamed by the last day of tax season too or has everone just got better things to do today? I'm a student-dependent, and I just said 'Eff It' and filed an extension so I can get a second pair of eyes.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 15, 2008 17:35:43 GMT -5
[oog]I'm doing an extension too.
I sanity-checked myself with Turbo Tax to reassure myself that even without any deductions for moving expenses that I don't know if I can make, I am still owed a refund from the Feds, CA and GA. I'm dropping it all in the lap of Mr. H&R on Friday. Good fscking riddance.
In other news, Kassia has absolutely no sympathy for me since she's been prompting me to file for 2 months, and I've been blowing her off in favor of my usual procrastination tactics. She filed ages ago and already got her refund. If you don't hear from me after Friday, you'll know that the refunds I've promised that she can help me spend have morphed into payments...with interest...and she's probably thrown me so far into the dog house that I will never see the light of day again. [/oog]
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Apr 15, 2008 17:37:48 GMT -5
BLaM/zuma - Joe Chill - Hasn't claimed any powers - & hasn't used any we know of. FTR, this is not true. I have claimed to have two powers. I claimed that one loses a large amount of it's usefulness if it is known, which is why I haven't claimed it, the other one I alluded to when recommending that Two-Face not be the one to investigate me. For the rest of you're reasoning, I would be inclined to say that those who demonstrate powers that correlate with their name means they're probably that name and so likely, at worst, PFK. As such, I think people like Scarecrow and Mr. Freeze are very unlikely to be Do-Gooders, but are in no way eliminated from being PFK. Apologies BlaM, your claim of having powers is noted, as I said I was working from memory. As to your point, that's one of the things I was trying to get at. Sorry if I missed the mark. The only thing I would add is that I know that there is now only 2 PFKers left, if we accept tdpatriots claim of being one that means there is only one unidentified one left - which on face value appears to be Ryjae.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 15, 2008 17:51:41 GMT -5
I've been doing some more thinking, and while the case building against Hawk is interesting, I still think that Ryjae is the better choice for information at this point. If Ryjae is town, we know Hawk and is likely scum, and BM as well. If Ryjae is PFK, we don't find out much, but Hawk could still be scum. Especially since the ability to determine PFK seems much more like a pro-scum power than a pro-town. Especially since a lot of the PFK's seem to have powers that favor town more than scum. (E.g. tdpatriots boomstick is more useful against scum and SK, who are killing every night rather than the townies with night-kill powers who, like in the case of HM, for example, only have a chance to kill. Or have a one-shot kill. Also, the mods pretty much all but said that Riddler was trying to figure out who was who, he clearly wasn't ganking anyone, and knowledge of phony claims is definitely pro-town.)
But it does feel a bit odd lynching someone in hopes that they turn out to be town. Regardless, town will get a definite benefit from lynching Ryjae, we can't necessarily say the same thing for Hawk.
Vote Ryjae
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 15, 2008 18:24:01 GMT -5
Also, the mods pretty much all but said that Riddler was trying to figure out who was who, he clearly wasn't ganking anyone, and knowledge of phony claims is definitely pro-town I don't know about the Riddler being a pro-Town role, but the initial color of the day was intended to be as much of an explanation of the Riddler's role as we could make it.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Apr 15, 2008 18:24:25 GMT -5
ping
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