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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 13:29:32 GMT -5
I'd link to introduce two new words to the newbies in this game: Smudge and Storylines. Smudge is the phrase we use when some one incriminates a player without really taking it to a point where they vote or state suspicion. Like if I were to say: "that comment from Idle could be regarded as scummy". See what I did? I never said I regarded it as scummy. I only suggested as much. So later if Idle turned Town by lynch (assuming I was Scum in this scenario) I could say: "What? No? I never said I saw his as scummy". So why smudge? Brings me on to the second phrase (evoled from this post by Storyteller: Link to post: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=isthisanotherclue&thread=696&page=21#35406The storylines are the "theories" that slowly becomes "facts" from being repeated over and over again. And a lot of nOObs in this game is starting to create storylines about the more experienced players. BillMc was killed because an "oldie" was on the Scum team, Ed is scum because he wasn't killed last Night, same goes with Gadarene and so on. How do the nOObs stand a chance and all this talk - but what it does it create an atmosphere of them against us that is misleading. And you should start being aware of this... Sure any of the "oldies" can be Scum. But the roles were assigned by Random.org and so any of the nOObs could be as well. To look for only "new" versus "helpful old" will get us no where. And the comes the nice twist - how do we know who is new and who is old? I've never played with Michelehunter before - but I also get the feeling that she might have played before (correct me if wrong) - so where does it start and when does it stop? And if anyone feels Mr. Special Ed or Gadarene mislead them - please point to a post and tell me so. Because in mafia like this you only have one vote. Your own. And if you used it then you have to answer for it. No one force anyone to vote or jump on a bandwagon. And personally I really dislike the votes on Ed ATM. Could you please point me to what he did that made you all suddenly think him Scum?
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 13:34:30 GMT -5
Lianne, I have a hard time understanding your logic behind the reason, particularly the "Scum did not kill you off" part. ALL the currently surviving players are "not killed by the Scum", yourself included. So if this applies to EVERYONE currently in the game, why would it be a part of the reasons supporting your vote? I was the one who started the "scum didn't kill you" idea. My point was that Gad and Ed were over the top helpful. As a town player I found it extremely helpful, but I could also see why scum might have wanted to kill them over NIGHT because the more confused the newer town players are the better. Instead of killing off Gad or Ed, they chose Bill who while I'm told is a great player, he was very very quiet Day 1. Why not aim for a more vocal "old/strong" player? I said it was suspicious, not necessarily vote worthy yet. Following this string of "logic" - don't you think a protector/doctor would have seen them same and protected one of them - saving us from a NK? See - what ever you as a Townie (if you are ) see - so would a Scum and maybe even a Town Power Role. Remember the Wine? The one if front of you? it's still there: youtu.be/h9f3GSA9yfc
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 13:39:49 GMT -5
I really should go to bed but I was just wondering if anyone had spotted that francescaj might be the detective and found this... OK that's more than enough for me (with my earlier posts) Vote: SpecialEd [/color] [/quote] Bleached for the mod I know we're not supposed to vote based on poor logic alone - but this is plain silly. Really? Vote LianneAnd for the first time in a long time I'm actually wishing I had more than one vote This Days seems like a déjà vu from my very early facebook-games
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Post by Gadarene on May 15, 2012 13:40:02 GMT -5
Ed and I are also not nearly as good as Bill is, in my estimation (and probably in the scum's estimation as well). No offense to Ed, of course.
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Post by guiri on May 15, 2012 13:46:49 GMT -5
Instead of killing off Gad or Ed, they chose Bill /snip Did they? Did scum also kill Sister Coyote? And Francesca? And lightfoot? And 14 of the 15 votes starrain?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 13:49:34 GMT -5
Following this string of "logic" - don't you think a protector/doctor would have seen them same and protected one of them - saving us from a NK? See - what ever you as a Townie (if you are ) see - so would a Scum and maybe even a Town Power Role. Remember the Wine? The one if front of you? it's still there: youtu.be/h9f3GSA9yfcVery plausible, and I didn't think of that, so thank you. Back to lianne So if you don't think that their helpfulness was the reason that the scum should have killed them then what reasoning DO you believe scum have to kill them? Actually busymrslizzy said that in reply to what I said. And I'm sorry I annoyed you with my amounts of posts, but your nastiness is uncalled for. Vote: lianne
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 13:49:51 GMT -5
mchlle, Are you new to the game or not? underlining mine: I am going to vote for starrirain
My reasons for doing so are that being new to the game I am having to heavily rely on players who have more experience. Since I don't know how a newbie scum player is likely to behave, I agree that disappearance after posting a potentially scummy message is a sign of fear. I could be wrong but the clock is ticking and until day 1 is over, we aren't going to know better. Also I love to play mafia and do it when ever I have the time. That is just really not often enough. But Idle asked me to come and play and who can say no to Idle
And 'who' can say no to Idle? ;-)
Happy Mother's Day everyone outside of Britain, we had ours in March Yes - this was my post (the one about loving to play) - however I have to say that while the nOObs have a hard time figuring out the game the rest of us have a hard time figuring out how to work around the messed up quotes... Idle - would it be possible to call in a co-mod to fix tags? Maybe Cookie or Sinjin would help out?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 13:51:10 GMT -5
Take 2:
Vote: lianne
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 13:56:22 GMT -5
Instead of killing off Gad or Ed, they chose Bill /snip Did they? Did scum also kill Sister Coyote? And Francesca? And lightfoot? And 14 of the 15 votes starrain? At this point all I can do is assume that scum killed all 4 of them. None of us know for sure what other roles there are. There will be 5 power roles in this game. Only five, no others. 1. There will be a secret number of Detectives. 2. There will be a secret number of Doctors. 3. There will be a secret number of Masons. 4 and 5: There will be two secret roles (two of one and one of the other). I have no clue what a Mason is/does, and we don't know yet what the secret roles are. All I know for absolute sure is that scum kill at night so I'm making an assumption here.....for now. I will say I'm not dumb enough to think that scum killed Lightfoot, but at this point I don't know the circumstances of how she died.
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Post by Gadarene on May 15, 2012 13:58:46 GMT -5
/snip Did they? Did scum also kill Sister Coyote? And Francesca? And lightfoot? And 14 of the 15 votes starrain? At this point all I can do is assume that scum killed all 4 of them. None of us know for sure what other roles there are. We've already talked a ton about Town Vigilantes...like, seriously, there are bunches and bunches of posts about it. Why would the scum kill one of their own? There are absolutely guaranteed to be at least one Town Vigilante in this game.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 13:58:53 GMT -5
Back to lianne So if you don't think that their helpfulness was the reason that the scum should have killed them then what reasoning DO you believe scum have to kill them? I think Scum want to kill Town. Periode. But if they can catch a Power Role like Doc or Cop they will go for that kill. if they have a confirmed Town (mason) they will want to kill as well - but not if that will confirm yet another Town player. I also know (from past games) that Scum will kill at Night out of paranoia (he voted me), to incriminate someone (they will think X was killed because she votes Y), to kill cleaver players (like Bill) or to leave them alive to say the next Day "see Bill lived - so he must be Scum". And to add to that there is also the IRL-things - like Scum picked a player in panic to get the Nk in and so on and so on. Get it? Scum will totally do that and there is no way of knowing why until you get to the spoilers. (unless if you're Scum <-- see what I just did? That was a smudge. I never said you *were* Scum. But I did imply and others might have picked up on that. No even realizing where they got the first "gut feeling" from.)
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Post by Gadarene on May 15, 2012 13:59:27 GMT -5
Grammar are hard.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 14:02:41 GMT -5
Gadarene I said in #158, that I don't think that scum killed Lightfoot.
I also know that Town Vigilantes were discussed, but that doesn't guarantee that's one of the roles. Yes, that sounds like a very plausible explination, but how do you know that FOR SURE? I don't know how many "other" roles there are in this game or what the standard roles are, so I'm just keeping my mind open until I have more than n=1 experience to go by.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 14:05:24 GMT -5
I have no clue what a Mason is/does, and we don't know yet what the secret roles are. All I know for absolute sure is that scum kill at night so I'm making an assumption here.....for now. Take a look here: cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swfMasons are town-players knowing the identity of the other masons. This is very helpful because if we're about to lynch a mason, then the other masons can speak up and we don't have to mislynch. However (WIFOM) we did in the past see games where the Scum claimed masons and tried to confirm each other. Also there have been game with scum-masons but Idle is a truthful MOD and this being a simple game I doubt that will happen here. Sometimes masons can talk in their own private board. Not sure if this is the case in this game. I don't recall Idle saying anything about that...
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 14:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 14:08:45 GMT -5
Bullshit! Plain and simple. vote michelehunterIf I say pretty please... would you then consider to make posts a bit longer than 6 words?? Pretty please!!!!
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Post by Colby11 on May 15, 2012 14:09:44 GMT -5
Gadarene I said in #158, that I don't think that scum killed Lightfoot. I also know that Town Vigilantes were discussed, but that doesn't guarantee that's one of the roles. Yes, that sounds like a very plausible explination, but how do you know that FOR SURE? I don't know how many "other" roles there are in this game or what the standard roles are, so I'm just keeping my mind open until I have more than n=1 experience to go by. I will answer this for you. We assume that there are Vigilantes because we know for a fact that a scum player was killed, and scum does not target their own people. Furthermore, vigilantes are somewhat common in mafia games. They aren't in every one, but in a fair amount of games. At this point we are just speculating what the secret roles are. For certain, one is a vigilante role.
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Post by Gadarene on May 15, 2012 14:10:27 GMT -5
Gadarene I said in #158, that I don't think that scum killed Lightfoot. I also know that Town Vigilantes were discussed, but that doesn't guarantee that's one of the roles. Yes, that sounds like a very plausible explination, but how do you know that FOR SURE? I don't know how many "other" roles there are in this game or what the standard roles are, so I'm just keeping my mind open until I have more than n=1 experience to go by. If the scum didn't kill LightFoot (and they didn't), then there HAVE to be one or two Town Vigilantes. Someone killed LightFoot. If it wasn't scum, then it was Town. A town role that kills at night is called a Vigilante. QED. Do you see what I'm saying?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 14:11:52 GMT -5
Thank you Total Ullz That was very helpful!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 14:16:48 GMT -5
If the scum didn't kill LightFoot (and they didn't), then there HAVE to be one or two Town Vigilantes. Someone killed LightFoot. If it wasn't scum, then it was Town. A town role that kills at night is called a Vigilante. QED. Do you see what I'm saying? I'm not disagreeing with you. All I said is we don't know who killed who. (aside from YES scum didn't kill Lightfoot) What about a Serial Killer? It didn't sound like a Serial Killer is on either side, and would they know who is on what team? Honestly I'll just have to trust you older players for now that you believe there are more than one Town Vigilantes, that's all I can do right now.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 14:20:14 GMT -5
Thank you Total Ullz That was very helpful! *lol* Oh, no - if I lead a bandwagon next then your comment here might lynch me
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Post by Total Ullz on May 15, 2012 14:25:33 GMT -5
If the scum didn't kill LightFoot (and they didn't), then there HAVE to be one or two Town Vigilantes. Someone killed LightFoot. If it wasn't scum, then it was Town. A town role that kills at night is called a Vigilante. QED. Do you see what I'm saying? Since Idle said he'd make this game simple, I tend to agree with you here. However my past tell me never to assume in mafia. We could have a redirector as one of the secret role (wasn't this brought up before toDay??)
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Post by Gadarene on May 15, 2012 14:32:30 GMT -5
If the scum didn't kill LightFoot (and they didn't), then there HAVE to be one or two Town Vigilantes. Someone killed LightFoot. If it wasn't scum, then it was Town. A town role that kills at night is called a Vigilante. QED. Do you see what I'm saying? Since Idle said he'd make this game simple, I tend to agree with you here. However my past tell me never to assume in mafia. We could have a redirector as one of the secret role (wasn't this brought up before toDay??) We could, but the chances are almost zero that Idle would omit at least one Vigilante in a game designed to be high-bloodshed. Plus, it's much more likely that a Town Vig hit LightFoot than that the scum tried to kill somebody who the Redirector also targeted. If you want my opinion, I think there are two Town vigs and two scum kills nightly. dizzymrslizzy: there can't be a Serial Killer, because Idle explicitly said there were just two teams this game, Town and Scum.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 15, 2012 14:32:39 GMT -5
I really should go to bed but I was just wondering if anyone had spotted that francescaj might be the detective and found this... OK that's more than enough for me (with my earlier posts) Vote: SpecialEd [/color] [/quote] So, just to be clear, you think I'm Scum because I spotted francescaj's slip? And if so, why didn't I keep quiet and only tell my ScumBuddies instead of calling her out so that she might get some protection?[/quote] I noticed too and didn't dare say anything because Scum would have latched on and NK'd her, which they did anyway, we have a slippery scum out there.
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Post by kagemoto on May 15, 2012 14:36:32 GMT -5
Gadarene I said in #158, that I don't think that scum killed Lightfoot. I also know that Town Vigilantes were discussed, but that doesn't guarantee that's one of the roles. Yes, that sounds like a very plausible explination, but how do you know that FOR SURE? I don't know how many "other" roles there are in this game or what the standard roles are, so I'm just keeping my mind open until I have more than n=1 experience to go by. Here's what I believe: 1. Scums would not kill a scum at Night, and 2. Town Vanilla (or Town with no power, you know what it means) cannot kill at Night. Also, according to the MOD, there are only 2 teams in this game, no third parties. Thus it can't be more obvious that Lightfoot, a scum, was killed by a Town Power Role in Night 1. While the Power Role is not necessarily called "Vigilante", it does not really matter what the name of the Power Role is. The term "Vigilante" is a well-known Power Role that can perform kills, and even if Idle decides to use another name for the role, it would be essentially the same role as the Vigilante. Unless you want to argue that Lightfoot was killed by a scum or a Town Vanilla, I really don't see the possibility that there is NO Vigilante in this game.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 15, 2012 14:38:55 GMT -5
Yes Meeko, you are confusing ;D 4 Night kills, this game won't last too long if this continues so could there be one off kills somewhere? If I remember correctly, weren't there 2 roles that we weren't told about? I agree that there is most likely an older player on the scum side with the deaths of Sis C and BillMc and a detective, Francescaj. Hopefully with a game this size there will be more than one detective. Whoever killed LightFoot, well done. Probably an older player that's a Vig and could have picked her because of her one off vote on Michelehunter. What I don't understand are the votes on Michele now, would LightFoot really bus a fellow scum on D1. It is possible I know but why would she do it? To give Michele Town cred on D2? LightFoot couldn't have known she would be killed, in fact she could have felt quite safe at Night because she was scum. It would be different if there had been a bandwagon on Michele on D1 and she was up for a lynch, so I really can't see any motivation on LightFoots part for bussing a fellow scum that early on. General question about the boards: Can people have more than 1 account and would that be a scum tell? Why is this post from silverjan (lower case) on an acct with only 3 posts, and yesterday she was posting from Silver Jan (capitalized and space) with more posts? There was a similar LightFoot/lightfoot situation on Day0. I hadn't noticed that but I post from laptop and desk top, I don't think I have 2 accounts, I thought I was Silver Jan and not silverjan. I play so many games though that it didn't bug me, it is now though. I should be Silver Jan. Not happy. It isn't a scum tell though, scum are far too sneaky for that. Worried I am.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 14:41:03 GMT -5
Gad, Okay, I can get behind your reasoning, but there is still one more mystery role out there.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 15, 2012 14:46:18 GMT -5
Ooooops! I just re-read the comments about silverjan and lightfoot accounts. I was very worried about leakage when I was scum on one of these boards, and I suspect we might guess the culprit, albehe a non-intentional one: Vote: Idle Thoughts [/color][/quote] I Signed into this game with silverjan as my username, It isn't, my username on this board is janetsinton, oops. I signed in as silverjan as a mistake cos that's what it usually is. I also noticed that Ed had made my skin a pretty colour, as silverjan it was still white? Does it make a difference to the game, no, does it make a difference to my confidence, yes. I hope my passwords aren't out there.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 15, 2012 14:50:12 GMT -5
kagemoto, I think the horse is dead here. I'll say it again......Lightfoot was not killed by scum (I NEVER thought this) I just didn't want to assume.
After this thread I have a better understanding of the roles, and the horse is officially DEAD
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Post by Silver Jan on May 15, 2012 14:53:57 GMT -5
Silver Jan, Can you please respond to the fact that you have 2 IDs like Lightfoot did? And lightfoot's was created right when the game started. And it appears that your lower case one was what you used for posting to The Cabal thread only during Conspiracy. This is metagamey, and I'm sorry if that's how we caught you. Why the hell would I have 2 usernames, It's bugging the hell out of me too. In this game it's Silver Jan and my login name is janetsinton, I am as confused as you, but probably more pissed off!
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