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Day 1
Jul 20, 2009 13:10:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 20, 2009 13:10:26 GMT -5
On special ed's 'guess my vote reasons' he gave his reasons after I summarized it as 'Citizen of Quantom != Establishment' as follows: While I suppose it's a brief summary of my reason for voting, the real reason involved suspicion based on failing to use Establishment as her alignment andtrying to throw doubt on the Town handshake. Contrast it with this post today: Even beyond your unmentionables, Scum could have been given Town-like Role PMs in the form of aliases. I assume those aliases would have included the Town Win condition. So Scum may have had the Town Win Condition without any error on the part of the moderator. However, the speed with which he posted the Vanilla PM pleads me to believe he didn't. But perhaps I'm looking at that through the lens of events in another, current game The last 'but perhaps' seems a bit off when you were voting Cookies for throwing doubt on the handshake you seems to suggest the handshake shouldn't be doubted. How is Cookies doubt more unreasonable then yours? I don't think the 'not mentioning Establishment when talking about alignment') is a bad reason to vote, but I also don't have a problem with Cookies response. The thought of aliases being provided didn't occur to me until later.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:13:45 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 20, 2009 13:13:45 GMT -5
I WILL NOT BE REFERRING TO MY ERRONEOUS PM IN ANY FURTHER DETAIL AT THE REQUEST OF THE MOD. Thank you! I wish you had said so earlier. Ok, so you don't put any weight on the handshakes. That's acceptable. But then, [/color] for being the 2nd most frustrating (OMGUS) handshaker who is voting for me because he seems unable to fathom why I claimed how I did as being a pro-town action, and who has not claimed to be a Mason. [/quote] This is a stretch. After refusing to straight-up answer questions and taking forever to explain why you wouldn't, you accuse someone of not understanding you. I think that points more to your anti-Town behavior than the one voting for you. I still think Cookies is suspicious, but another takes precedence now. unvote Cookiesvote pedescribeFor her ill-thought vote on me. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ A Monday end of the Day really screws us. [/quote] You just haven't liked my explanations, Pleo. Go back and read. Even when you and others repeatedly kept asking me for things, I repeatedly explained that the questions were already answered to the degree to which they would be answered, that I flat out refused to be used as another potential loophole through which more information that the Mod never intended to be in the game to be sucked into the game, and exactly why what I said and how I said it was both pro-town and pro-balance. Plenty of other people were perfectly able to parse my posts.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:13:52 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 20, 2009 13:13:52 GMT -5
My unofficial vote count now has a tie with 3 votes each for HMonkey and Pedescribe. But if I understand the rules, that means that Pleo who peaked with 4 votes would be lynched. In the absence of any masonic counter-claims, I am going to believe Pleo's claim to be town. And I'm inclined to give HMonkey at least one night to see what she can do and what info we can gain.
Vote: Vote: Pedescribe to break the tie and save Pleo.
This tie-breaking rule means that Pleo is still not out of woods. He'd still be lynched if we end up with 2 people tied with 4 votes each. I'll be checking back.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:16:54 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:16:54 GMT -5
The timing of the end of the Day really sucks. Since I don't have much time, I'll post the important part first: I am a Mason. We have the same victory condition as vanilla Town. The case against me is pure misrepresentation. I'll explain and change my vote shortly. I also recommend we do not kill our Vigilante. Well that's not good. Unvote: Pleonast [/unovte]
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Jul 20, 2009 13:17:16 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:17:16 GMT -5
Unvote: Pleonast
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Jul 20, 2009 13:17:31 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 20, 2009 13:17:31 GMT -5
My unofficial votecount as at 386 (ie immediately before my vote) was as follows.
HockeyMonkey : 3 (KidV, Natlaw, Bufftabby) Pedescribe : 3 (Sister Coyote, Pleonast, Mister Blockey) Pleonast : 2 (Pedescribe, Julie) DarkCookies : 1 (Nanook) Jaade : 1 (Pumpjack) Nanook : 1 (DarkCookies) PCM : 1 (NAF)
I then voted in 387 to break the tie and put Pedescribe into the lead. he's now at 5 (courtesy of Texcat's vote in 392).
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Jul 20, 2009 13:20:42 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 20, 2009 13:20:42 GMT -5
Yes, MHaye, I now see that you posted between my vote count and my actual post. Now it looks like Pedescribe has the tie-breaker lynch.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:23:58 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:23:58 GMT -5
You're having the same problem as Cookies. We're allowed to use the information in our PMs! That's a major part of any Mafia game and I'm surprised you'd think otherwise. It depends on how you view rule 1. From my point of view, our PMs self destructed, thus meaning we can only use what a few half-remembered specifics. You think that, other than quoting, everything's fair game. Now, see, in my opinion, I am trying to prevent players from using cheap, metagamey tactics that we shouldn't be able to use in the first place.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:26:36 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 20, 2009 13:26:36 GMT -5
You're having the same problem as Cookies. We're allowed to use the information in our PMs! That's a major part of any Mafia game and I'm surprised you'd think otherwise. It depends on how you view rule 1. From my point of view, our PMs self destructed, thus meaning we can only use what a few half-remembered specifics. You think that, other than quoting, everything's fair game. Now, see, in my opinion, I am trying to prevent players from using cheap, metagamey tactics that we shouldn't be able to use in the first place. Out of curiosity, what would you say if I told you that my handshake post was made entierly from memory of what was in my PM? Because it was. Would that change your mind? The PMs self destructed, we weren't given amnesia.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:30:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jul 20, 2009 13:30:28 GMT -5
i've gotta run out for the rest of the day.
i still don't see how having an extra kill early on helps.
vote hockeymonkey
just so i have it on the record.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:31:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:31:28 GMT -5
I still think Cookies is suspicious, but another takes precedence now. unvote Cookiesvote pedescribeFor her ill-thought vote on me. Ill thought? I can see how you formed your opinion on handshakes; surely you can see how, from my perspective, you were being inconsistent and somewhat scummy.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:32:26 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 20, 2009 13:32:26 GMT -5
They have both posted once. Generally that means that they aren't paying attention and nothing else. yeah, Jaade to say she has connectivity issues, and Cap to say good evening, good night at the start of Day. It's very un-Cap to be this quiet - so I'm a little suspicious. I'd like to hear from him. Vote: Cap Pinkies
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Jul 20, 2009 13:34:28 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 20, 2009 13:34:28 GMT -5
I repeatedly explained that the questions were already answered to the degree to which they would be answered, That is, not at all. Which is an anti-Town reason. I disagree. I have no trouble understanding what you said. It's the fact that you were refusing to answer the questions I was asking. And then not giving a pro-Town reason for not answering. You're having the same problem as Cookies. We're allowed to use the information in our PMs! That's a major part of any Mafia game and I'm surprised you'd think otherwise. It depends on how you view rule 1. From my point of view, our PMs self destructed, thus meaning we can only use what a few half-remembered specifics. You think that, other than quoting, everything's fair game. My view of Rule 1 is based on the answers the moderator gave me about it. What is your view based on? Metagaming is using information from outside the game. No one has done that so far.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:36:52 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:36:52 GMT -5
My view of Rule 1 is based on the answers the moderator gave me about it. What is your view based on? The exact reading of rule 1. Did you keep referring back to your rules PM after reading it the first time? If the PMs were supposed to be destroyed, then by this point they should be outside the game.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:37:59 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 20, 2009 13:37:59 GMT -5
For fuck sake, Pleo. Apparently I need to do another WoW on myself. Sorry everyone...
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Jul 20, 2009 13:41:51 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 20, 2009 13:41:51 GMT -5
My basic suspicions have been as follows. Firstly, Stanislaus. His post D01.344, in which he voted for Special Ed, claimed that Mr. SE had been stirring the pot (as it were) of a dispute that had begun to die down. I can't agree with that characterisation. Mr.SE and DarkCookies were at that point involved in an exchange of posts regarding the issue. 241 was a direct response to D01.222, which was only 90 minutes old. The other posts Stanislaus cites were also direct responses to posts by DarkCookies. I was, however, twinged by Mr. SE's post D01.100. His "do you see what I see" is inviting a reaction, which he can then spin whichever way he wants to suit his purposes - either bolstering the case against the person he's pointing at, or make a case against the respondent. It's too easy to misuse. The other thing that made me think was, ironically, D01.095 - the very one that Mr. SE waved a red flag over to try and get a reaction. The reason it "pinged" me was that it felt, to me, more like a post that a Rebel would make than a post a vanilla Establishment member would. I'd summarise my thought processes in the words off Proverbs 28 verse 1. "The guilty flee when no man pursueth." A person with a really clean conscience is less likely to make that post because they know they're clean. A Rebel might feel more compelled to "tidy up the loose end" as it were. It's what I would call a flimsy pointer. Had I been the sort to chuck votes around like confetti, I would have voted for DarkCookies then. So those are my suspicions. In fact, to have this on the record. Unvote: Pedescribe . Vote: Stanislaus For smearing Mr. SE. [oog] Just because we live in the same city, doesn't mean I can let you off. How's the Dad biz anyway? [/oog]
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Jul 20, 2009 13:47:30 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 20, 2009 13:47:30 GMT -5
I still think Cookies is suspicious, but another takes precedence now. unvote Cookiesvote pedescribeFor her ill-thought vote on me. Ill thought? I can see how you formed your opinion on handshakes; surely you can see how, from my perspective, you were being inconsistent and somewhat scummy. I was only being inconsistent in your eyes because of your mistaken understanding of the rules. If the PMs were supposed to be destroyed, then by this point they should be outside the game. Can you really not see the difference between the words of the PM and the information contained in it? We get to keep the information. I claimed Mason; are you going to accuse me of breaking the rule because I made that claim? After all, that was information in my role PM. By your interpretation, I'm not allowed to do that. For fuck sake, Pleo. Apparently I need to do another WoW on myself. Sorry everyone... What does that mean? ( peeker?) Unvote: Pedescribe . Vote: Stanislaus For smearing Mr. SE. That is the scummiest last-minute vote change I've seen in a while.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:48:26 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 20, 2009 13:48:26 GMT -5
Vote Count: Pedescribe 4: (Sister Coyote, Pleonast, Texcat, Mister Blockey) Hockey Monkey 4: (KidV, Natlaw, Bufft, Peeker) Cookies 2: (Nanook) Special Ed 2: (Stanislaus, PCM) Nanook 1: (Cookies) PCM 1: (NAF) Jaade: 1 (Pumpjack) Captain Pinkies 1: (BillMC) Stanislaus 1: (Mhaye) Pleonast 1: (Julie)
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Jul 20, 2009 13:49:15 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:49:15 GMT -5
Guys, you really don't want to lynch your doctor.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:50:43 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:50:43 GMT -5
Can you really not see the difference between the words of the PM and the information contained in it? We get to keep the information. I claimed Mason; are you going to accuse me of breaking the rule because I made that claim? After all, that was information in my role PM. By your interpretation, I'm not allowed to do that. You are being deliberately obtuse. On first reading, you would be likely to remember that you are a mason, or your gold total. But you wouldn't be likely to remember your exact win condition, thus being unable to use it in a handshake.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:51:01 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 20, 2009 13:51:01 GMT -5
Unvote: Pleonast
He still feels scummy to me, though. And the longer the contretemps with Cookies goes, the more scummy he looks to me.
Vote: Captain Pinkies
Lynching the lurker isn't the best strategy, but I have reasons (some of them very weak) against voting for everyone else.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:51:49 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:51:49 GMT -5
Sorry, HM, I think I, as a doctor, am more valuable than you, as a mandatory vigilante.
Vote: Hockey Monkey
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Jul 20, 2009 13:52:32 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 20, 2009 13:52:32 GMT -5
[ Unvote: Pedescribe . Vote: Stanislaus For smearing Mr. SE. That is the scummiest last-minute vote change I've seen in a while. A vote change with 79 minutes to go is not "last minute." I changed my vote because my purpose in voting Pedescribe - to ensure that [/i]you[/i] were not - had been achieved and, with Texcat's vote, had pushed you out of the tiebreaker slot.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:53:32 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 20, 2009 13:53:32 GMT -5
:le sigh:
No we probably do not.
Listen I am going to lunch in 10 minutes, I won't be back before the end of the Day (I don't think)
I happen to think my vote for PCM is solid, so if in the next 10 minutes anyone wants to join me there, aces. Otherwise I will move my vote to someone who is neither Pleo nor Pede but who looks like they might make for a decent lynch. Maybe I will go with MHaye and vote for stanislaus.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:54:19 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 20, 2009 13:54:19 GMT -5
OK, now pede is on the hook and he's claimed doctor?
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Jul 20, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 20, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
Guys, you really don't want to lynch your doctor. Do wha?
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Jul 20, 2009 13:54:50 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:54:50 GMT -5
:le sigh: No we probably do not. Listen I am going to lunch in 10 minutes, I won't be back before the end of the Day (I don't think) I happen to think my vote for PCM is solid, so if in the next 10 minutes anyone wants to join me there, aces. Otherwise I will move my vote to someone who is neither Pleo nor Pede but who looks like they might make for a decent lynch. Maybe I will go with MHaye and vote for stanislaus. How do you feel about Ed?
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Jul 20, 2009 13:55:42 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 20, 2009 13:55:42 GMT -5
Guys, you really don't want to lynch your doctor. Do wha? I didn't want to claim unless I absolutely had to, but it looked like I had to.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:55:45 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 20, 2009 13:55:45 GMT -5
NETA: you know. I take it back. I am not changing my vote. This is going to drive me nutty if try. My last post was directed to Pede's post where he claimed to be the/a doc.
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Jul 20, 2009 13:56:48 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 20, 2009 13:56:48 GMT -5
:le sigh: No we probably do not. Listen I am going to lunch in 10 minutes, I won't be back before the end of the Day (I don't think) I happen to think my vote for PCM is solid, so if in the next 10 minutes anyone wants to join me there, aces. Otherwise I will move my vote to someone who is neither Pleo nor Pede but who looks like they might make for a decent lynch. Maybe I will go with MHaye and vote for stanislaus. How do you feel about Ed? I like the case for Ed less than Mhayes about Stanislaus, I like both of them less than my vote for PCM.
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