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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:31:14 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:31:14 GMT -5
HM: Not much I can argue further - I was trying to argue why Pollux 6 scum + SK was too negative where my thinking was that although we know there was one vanilla scum, the extra kill could have been an extra kill. But since you noticed that Hockey Monkey, could you comment on my bolding in this quote? And knowing who has what gold today, doesn't tell as squat about who hired, or tried to hire the merc last night -- or whether indeed the merc fulfilled the contract, or killed Buff for the hell of it. We all started with 1 gold (unless of course you know differently) so all anyone could have bid yesterday was 1 gold - everyone equal - so the Merc must have had a personal preference for killing Buff.I don't think said who killed bufftabby. And on special ed's claim, this is a minor hint were he was interest in the way the kill happened. But he didn't list it as breadcrumb himself >< Do you have an idea of how you might kill? Perhaps you might recall from memory if you have a favorite weapon or some such pedescribe was stabbed in the throat, the others weren't specific about the weapon used. On the whether to announce if you got robbed, yes that might help find evidence or a redirector. The main point I see against is that scum would prefer richer town death so they can't counter offer against the mercenary. If ed is telling the truth, they pooled money last Night though I don't know if the transaction was successful with her dying as well.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:32:19 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 12:32:19 GMT -5
Oh...missed Pleo's post...great, another claim.
Unvote Texcat
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Jul 28, 2009 12:33:20 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 12:33:20 GMT -5
Unvote: texcat
Re: archangel, from a metagame perspective I've noticed that her low participation level and playstyle has a tendancy to usually rub me the wrong way, whether I know she's on my side or not. It seems to be a coin flip for voting for between two people for which the only case is anti-town/anti-game behavior that makes me wonder why they keep playing the game.
That sounds quite mean, but I have nothing against either of them personally.
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Jul 28, 2009 12:36:19 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:36:19 GMT -5
Unvote: texcat I say we lynch the over participators. I mean, town are supposed to be very uninformed, but it seems certain people are extremely well-informed. I mean what's that saying, a squeaky wheel gets greased? *rubs hands together* I don't get response ( if it is that to my questions), so going back to: Vote: spintari While I read of on the latest developments.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:37:12 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 12:37:12 GMT -5
My attempt at a vote count:
Four votes:
Archangel (Nanook, Peeker, Ed, hockeyguy) leads tiebreaker
Three votes:
Jaade (Julie, Pleo, NAF)
Two votes:
Special Ed (Kid Vermicious, Pumpjack) Natlaw (Texcat, hockeymonkey)
One vote.
Julie (Archangel) Sister Coyote (NAF1138) Spintari (Pollux Oil) texcat/claimed mason (brain)
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:37:45 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 12:37:45 GMT -5
I think Ed's vote on me is totally spurious, being based, as it is, on statements I made in another ongoing game, but I also don't think he's scum (he votes me more when he's town then when he's scum). Do you have evidence to back this up, or is this something else you're just making up off the top of your head? No, you must be basing this on the very first game I played, Psychopath I on Facebook. I believe the only game we played together where I was Scum. In fact, here's all my Scum games: Super Smash Brothers (I only voted for miteymouse, if anyone remembers the mason debacle) The Civilized Was (and all Scum game) Simpletown II (We were almost all Scum) Psychopath III (You didn't play) KISS, I was recruited (you were modding that one) Pod People, I was recruited again, but I never voted for you.. So, yeah, that's something you made up again off the top of your head.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:42:43 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 12:42:43 GMT -5
There were errors in my vote count. Trying again:
Four votes:
Archangel (Nanook, Peeker, Ed, hockeyguy) leads tiebreaker
Three votes:
Jaade (Julie, Pleo, NAF)
Two votes:
Special Ed (Kid Vermicious, Pumpjack) Natlaw (Texcat, hockeymonkey) Spintari (Pollux Oil, Natlaw)
One vote:
texcat/claimed mason (brain)
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:43:34 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 12:43:34 GMT -5
NAF, I think we've screwed up badly enough with outing power roles early and making it easier for scum, so no, I have nothing much to say for myself right now except that I'm town. I HATE the lynch of Jaade when she's not around to claim if necessary. (And if she is lynched and flips scum that's going to make me look bad, but so be it.) I think Ed's vote on me is totally spurious, being based, as it is, on statements I made in another ongoing game, but I also don't think he's scum (he votes me more when he's town then when he's scum). Peeker's vote on me is understandable, but funny because I was just willing to admit that I will sometimes justify a not-strong vote when I'm town (and this is because I believe voting as town as important). We all do that, I'm just the one who came out and said it, that's all. This entire post just makes me roll my eyes. You really think soft-claiming like that keeps much WIFOM on the table for scum? "HATE" is quite a passionate emotion to have for votes against someone who can't even be bothered to show up. How long are you personally willing to let such behavior slide in a player? As a low participator compared to me, I know that your answer will differ from mine, but I honestly would like to know. These are publically games, that you choose to play in such a way that you shoot yourself in the foot is not anyone else's problem. Mentioning things about other games that could potentially impact other games is uncool, but metagame reasoning is still reasoning, and Ed has pointed out nothing that participants in that other game wouldn't be aware of if they are either already playing in this game or just reading it.
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Natlaw
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:45:20 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:45:20 GMT -5
We have complete Our survey of the votes cast in this Day. Texcat (Dfrnt Breign, DarkCookies) My vote for texcat was missing here (plus you need to use [/li][li] to get the list bullets MHaye ), I think we're now at what julie posted, except Archangel unvoted julie to vote texcat who she unvoted now.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:45:34 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 12:45:34 GMT -5
Vote: Archangel
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:45:50 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 12:45:50 GMT -5
I think Ed's vote on me is totally spurious, being based, as it is, on statements I made in another ongoing game, but I also don't think he's scum (he votes me more when he's town then when he's scum). Do you have evidence to back this up, or is this something else you're just making up off the top of your head? No, you must be basing this on the very first game I played, Psychopath I on Facebook. I believe the only game we played together where I was Scum. In fact, here's all my Scum games: Super Smash Brothers (I only voted for miteymouse, if anyone remembers the mason debacle) The Civilized Was (and all Scum game) Simpletown II (We were almost all Scum) Psychopath III (You didn't play) KISS, I was recruited (you were modding that one) Pod People, I was recruited again, but I never voted for you.. So, yeah, that's something you made up again off the top of your head. Um, okay, Ed, forget it, I won't think you're town then. Cookies, I joined this game to help out because Hawkeye needed people. If you recall, I asked to be subbed out yesterday but was told I would be mod-killed, which I wasn't willing to do. I give it my best but I don't like the mechanisms of these boards, I'm used to playing Mafia on FB and via AIM.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:49:36 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 12:49:36 GMT -5
I understand and appreciate your participation, honestly. Like I said, it is nothing personal.
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Jul 28, 2009 12:51:03 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:51:03 GMT -5
A late NETA: I don't think said who killed bufftabby. And on special ed's claim, ... That should be read as: I don't think special ed said he knows who killed bufftabby. And on his claim, ...
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:51:06 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 12:51:06 GMT -5
Cookies's vote takes Archangel to five with the first peak at five.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:51:59 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 12:51:59 GMT -5
Um, okay, Ed, forget it, I won't think you're town then. Cookies, I joined this game to help out because Hawkeye needed people. If you recall, I asked to be subbed out yesterday but was told I would be mod-killed, which I wasn't willing to do. I give it my best but I don't like the mechanisms of these boards, I'm used to playing Mafia on FB and via AIM. It's not what you say that's important. It's how you back it up. What I see from you is that you make up your mind about something and then you go look for/create reasons to support your idea. That makes it very difficult to trust you and very easy to punch holes in your defenses. So far, you're garnering votes and your defense is a couple of emotional appeals, and a statement that you are Town.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 12:55:09 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 12:55:09 GMT -5
A late NETA: I don't think said who killed bufftabby. And on special ed's claim, ... That should be read as: I don't think special ed said he knows who killed bufftabby. And on his claim, ... I don't know who killed bufftabby, but as I recall, the wound to her neck was rather pretty.
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Jul 28, 2009 12:56:33 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 28, 2009 12:56:33 GMT -5
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Jul 28, 2009 12:57:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 12:57:16 GMT -5
Natlaw, I think, in general, having more information out there is good for the town. I don't see how knowing that someone was the victim of the thief could hurt. Is there something you think that the scum could do with that info if they had it? And it might help us if we knew how often the thief struck. It might help a roleblocker or role-transferer know if they stumbled onto the thief. And it might help us figure out who is, or is not, hiring Vinny. As Nanook mentioned, you seem to be very preoccupied with the gold - which kinda makes me think that maybe you are the thief. Knowing who has what gold, who transfered it to who is of very little use to the town - as town don't win based on gold. And we're only speculating that the Thief is PFK and what their win condition is - but at the moment, finding Scum is what we should be doing. And knowing who has what gold today, doesn't tell as squat about who hired, or tried to hire the merc last night -- or whether indeed the merc fulfilled the contract, or killed Buff for the hell of it. We all started with 1 gold (unless of course you know differently) so all anyone could have bid yesterday was 1 gold - everyone equal - so the Merc must have had a personal preference for killing Buff. Nor did you answer my previous question. No one hired the merc last Night. Hiring the Merc is Day action. How do you know the merc killed bufftabby? How do you know we all started with 1 gold?
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Jul 28, 2009 13:01:54 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 28, 2009 13:01:54 GMT -5
Unvote: BillMc Though I still think his ideas trying to link the jailed stanislaus to the terrorist are confusing. Why would the terrorist be jailed? And if he were jailed, wouldn't that somehow affect his plot to blow us all up on day 3? Those are good questions. We are making an assumption that Stanislaus has been jailed -- all we know is he cannot take part today. And I still think it is to the towns benefit to know if anyone had gold stolen. I am not suggesting that anyone talk about transfers or hiring Vinny, as this clearly might help the scum and the thief. Since no one claims to have had any money stolen last night, I am thinking that the thief must have role-blocked or the thief is in jail. Seems like stuff that is useful for the town. Thanks for the clarification. I see where you are going with this now.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:02:07 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:02:07 GMT -5
[/quote] It's not what you say that's important. It's how you back it up. What I see from you is that you make up your mind about something and then you go look for/create reasons to support your idea. That makes it very difficult to trust you and very easy to punch holes in your defenses. So far, you're garnering votes and your defense is a couple of emotional appeals, and a statement that you are Town.[/quote] Yes, because I'm getting frustrated that I'm being forced into claiming due to you making comments on something I said in another ongoing game! I'm the town jailkeeper. I can't post my PM but this matches up exactly to what I am: mafiawiki.four-horsemen.com/index.php/JailerAnd now I'm realizing that I forgot I can self-protect...so, knowing what I am, I'm going to have to gamble that I'm more valuable than whatever Jaade might be.
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Jul 28, 2009 13:04:15 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:04:15 GMT -5
vote Jaade
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Jul 28, 2009 13:05:35 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jul 28, 2009 13:05:35 GMT -5
You could have saved everyone a bit of a headache if you want just claimed that earlier without the whining bit about not wanting to claim.
The obvious implication here is that you were the one that jailed stanis then. Is this true? And if so, why?
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Jul 28, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 28, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5
We feel that you would benefit from another vote count. Five votes. Four votes. Two votes. One vote. In the event of a tie Archangel, who reached five votes first, will be lynched. Natlaw, We have found your vote for Texcat, hidden in post 215. We apologise for missing it the first time round. We would ask people to note that although We are dead and therefore all-seeing, communicating with the living is sometimes difficult, and mistakes can be made. Please feel free to point out these omissions, although perhaps a reference to the post in which the vote was placed would be of assistance in future. (It may affect the tiebreak, as well as, as in this case, the vote leader.) [oog] Proboards doesn't have an Indent tag, so I use the List tag with no bullets to simulate that. The absence of bullets was 100% intentional. Just so you know in future. [/oog]
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:08:32 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:08:32 GMT -5
Yes, because I'm getting frustrated that I'm being forced into claiming due to you making comments on something I said in another ongoing game! I'm the town jailkeeper. I can't post my PM but this matches up exactly to what I am: mafiawiki.four-horsemen.com/index.php/JailerAnd now I'm realizing that I forgot I can self-protect...so, knowing what I am, I'm going to have to gamble that I'm more valuable than whatever Jaade might be. So, you're blaming this on me? You make the inconsistent comments. And it's my fault for pointing it out? I'm certain I could have found other places where you made exactly the opposite comments, I just found it first in the current game. OK, so I referenced a current game, but it was nothing secret and it was easily able to be read. And it wasn't that dissimilar to you mentioning a current game in The Princess Bride in much the same fashion. Sometimes, Scum need to make things up to fit a situation. Town should avoid doing that, because it looks Scummy. So, I assume you've imprisoned Stan, why did you pick him?
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Jul 28, 2009 13:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jul 28, 2009 13:16:16 GMT -5
NETA she was shot in the back of the neck. of course, she's hot all over. That doesn't sound pretty to me at all. Small caliber? Dart gun? Please feel free to point out these omissions, although perhaps a reference to the post in which the vote was placed would be of assistance in future. Proboards doesn't have an Indent tag, so I use the List tag with no bullets to simulate that. The absence of bullets was 100% intentional. I'm humble by my callous presumption that anything you said wasn't exactly as you meant it, Lady. My sincere apologies and I'll link my sneaky votes in the future. The obvious implication here is that you were the one that jailed stanis then. Is this true? And if so, why? Specifically why jail stanislaus over Pleonast or pedescribe. Even if you didn't trust their claims, you would be blocking them.
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Jul 28, 2009 13:16:41 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 28, 2009 13:16:41 GMT -5
No one hired the merc last Night. Hiring the Merc is Day action. Yes, put your bids in during the day, the Merc kills at night. Your point is? How do you know the merc killed bufftabby? As per my previous post: How did Buff die?If the Peacekeepers are killers, then possibly they did it. If they are Peaceful, then either the Merc did it, or we have another town Vig. I say another, as if HM actually killed Buff why did she not take credit? Assuming the Peacekeepers are peaceful, then the most likely scenario is the Merc did it, otherwise we have yet another Vig around or HM is lying. How do you know we all started with 1 gold? My starting gold count is in agreement with the vanilla town pm. So maybe I should have said "the majority started with 1" - but since no one mentioned being lush with cash off the bat, it's a reasonable assumption we all started with the same - otherwise someone would have had an unfair advantage on day/night1 to procure the services of the Merc.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:16:47 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 13:16:47 GMT -5
Would Stan still be imprisoned today if a jailer imprisoned him last Night? I haven't played in a game with a jailer (unless Rugen counts in Princess Bride).
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:17:51 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:17:51 GMT -5
NETA she was shot in the back of the neck. of course, she's hot all over. That doesn't sound pretty to me at all. Small caliber? Dart gun? I guess the point was that I was so mesmerized and dedicated in watching bufftabby, that I didn't bother to turn my head and see who shot her.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:19:27 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:19:27 GMT -5
No one hired the merc last Night. Hiring the Merc is Day action. Yes, put your bids in during the day, the Merc kills at night. Your point is? As per my previous post: Assuming the Peacekeepers are peaceful, then the most likely scenario is the Merc did it, otherwise we have yet another Vig around or HM is lying. How do you know we all started with 1 gold? My starting gold count is in agreement with the vanilla town pm. So maybe I should have said "the majority started with 1" - but since no one mentioned being lush with cash off the bat, it's a reasonable assumption we all started with the same - otherwise someone would have had an unfair advantage on day/night1 to procure the services of the Merc. OK, thanks
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Jul 28, 2009 13:22:12 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 28, 2009 13:22:12 GMT -5
That doesn't sound pretty to me at all. Small caliber? Dart gun? I guess the point was that I was so mesmerized and dedicated in watching bufftabby, that I didn't bother to turn my head and see who shot her. So you're a Watcher that only watches what your target does at Night, not what other people happen to do to them? I'm keeping my vote on Archangel at the moment pending her answer to the questioned asked of her as I have the same questions.
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