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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:22:16 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 28, 2009 13:22:16 GMT -5
Hey Ed, out of curiosity...is there any color attached to your role?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:25:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:25:46 GMT -5
I guess the point was that I was so mesmerized and dedicated in watching bufftabby, that I didn't bother to turn my head and see who shot her. So you're a Watcher that only watches what your target does at Night, not what other people happen to do to them? Yes. Though I did see that she died from a bullet wound.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:26:25 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:26:25 GMT -5
Hey Ed, out of curiosity...is there any color attached to your role? Yes, there was a quote to start my PM and I am a Spy.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:29:30 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:29:30 GMT -5
Yes, I jailed Stanislaus.
Julie, my role allows me to choose whether I jail at night or in the daytime. I chose last night to jail Stanislaus this day because his first post on day one I believe breadcrumbs that he's the merc.
I think controlling the merc at endgame is the key to winning this game, so I planned to jail him every day for as long as I could to reserve him for town (or until I was proven wrong and someone else turned out to be merc). Now that I'm out if I survive this lynch I'll have to jail myself every night or the scum will get me.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:29:37 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 28, 2009 13:29:37 GMT -5
Interesting. I am thinking we might want to start tracking color on standard roles like Watcher/cop/doctor etc. It might help us figure out who is telling the truth. (You know, down the road).
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:30:07 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:30:07 GMT -5
NET clarify:
That should say that Last night I chose to jail Stanislaus for this day.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:30:50 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 28, 2009 13:30:50 GMT -5
NETA: The color for Archangel would obviously be that she is a jailer, s'why I didn't ask.
How about the masons? Any color there?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:32:32 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 13:32:32 GMT -5
If he's the Merc, then he kills at Night. Why jail him during the Day if he kills at Night?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:34:25 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:34:25 GMT -5
Yes, I jailed Stanislaus. Julie, my role allows me to choose whether I jail at night or in the daytime. I chose last night to jail Stanislaus this day because his first post on day one I believe breadcrumbs that he's the merc. I think controlling the merc at endgame is the key to winning this game, so I planned to jail him every day for as long as I could to reserve him for town (or until I was proven wrong and someone else turned out to be merc). Now that I'm out if I survive this lynch I'll have to jail myself every night or the scum will get me. This is the breadcrumb? And why would someone bradcrumb being the merc?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:35:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:35:46 GMT -5
Yes, I jailed Stanislaus. Julie, my role allows me to choose whether I jail at night or in the daytime. I chose last night to jail Stanislaus this day because his first post on day one I believe breadcrumbs that he's the merc. I think controlling the merc at endgame is the key to winning this game, so I planned to jail him every day for as long as I could to reserve him for town (or until I was proven wrong and someone else turned out to be merc). Now that I'm out if I survive this lynch I'll have to jail myself every night or the scum will get me. and how would putting him in jail allow us to control him when he was released?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:36:09 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 28, 2009 13:36:09 GMT -5
I'm keeping my vote on Archangel at the moment pending her answer to the questioned asked of her as I have the same questions. While I really don't like the meta-gaming duel between Ed and Archangel, I really want to hear what her motivation for selecting Stanislaus was.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:44:01 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:44:01 GMT -5
I tried to jail him at night first and was informed that it didn't work and I could choose another target.
I do believe that scum has a role blocker in this game-- well, roleblocker isn't the right word, I don't know what you would call it, as I think they were protecting HIM, not blocking my role. As an alternative I then chose to jail him (which silences him) during the day because I don't want him confusing things as people make claims about what they've done with the merc. I want the information to stand on its own as people flip town or scum, I don't want him to be able to signal people or confuse us by lying.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:45:34 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 28, 2009 13:45:34 GMT -5
Urgh, shoulda previewed that, I see an explanation. Undecided on whether I believe it or not. Keeping the merc blocked kinda makes sense, somewhat along the lines of MHaye blocking HM - tho I take take Stanislaus post as a breadcrumb. Cant think why the Merc would breadcrumb.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:47:48 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 13:47:48 GMT -5
Ed, yes, I saw that as a breadcrumb, and we don't know how the merc mechanism works...I'm thinking like in Star Wars that people who want to engage his services have to find him first.
I could have jailed him every day if I wanted...can't control him at night because someone or something is stopping me, but I intended to control him with the means I had available by blocking him in day time. Now I'm screwed as I will have to protect myself at night, so it can't be done.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:52:47 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 28, 2009 13:52:47 GMT -5
How in the world does jailing him during the Day do anything to control him? I don't even follow the logic.
Did you consider jailing our alleged Vig?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:53:39 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Jul 28, 2009 13:53:39 GMT -5
ok.. well I am catching up.... And there a crap load of claims... I don't like voting for a lurker but I hate voting a power role townie worse... So.... I am voting for...
Vote: JAADE
For lack of partipation... Yeah I know....
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 13:56:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 13:56:43 GMT -5
Ed, yes, I saw that as a breadcrumb, and we don't know how the merc mechanism works...I'm thinking like in Star Wars that people who want to engage his services have to find him first. I could have jailed him every day if I wanted...can't control him at night because someone or something is stopping me, but I intended to control him with the means I had available by blocking him in day time. Now I'm screwed as I will have to protect myself at night, so it can't be done. So, you read that and thought he was trying to leave breadcrumbs that he was the Merc so that people could hire him, despite the fact that Hawkmod made it clear that all negotiations for the MErc go directly through the Mod, not to the Merc. And, you tried to put him in jail last Night, but failed. So you put him in jail for the Day. because you "planned to jail him every day for as long as I could to reserve him for town" But you didn't answer how Town would control him at endgame... and now you think you have to self-protect every Night to keep yourself alive? Of course, you're just saying that, as you know that the proper move is to leave the Scum with WiFoM about what your plans are, but you're hoping we have stupid Scum that will take you at your word, right?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:07:15 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 28, 2009 14:07:15 GMT -5
Just under an hour to go. Five votes. Two votes. One vote. In the event of a tie, Archangel, having been the first to reach five votes, will be lynched. - Victoria, late First Lady of Quantom
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:08:35 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 28, 2009 14:08:35 GMT -5
Just because negotiations go through the mod doesn't mean that people don't have to figure out who he is first. In Star Wars the masons had to PM the mods to guess who I was, and when they found me they could interact with me. That's why I think he was bread-crumbing merc, so people could figure him out.
If we get down to three-handed and the 2 town still have their money left, and there's a trail of information on the merc without the merc being able to talk to it, I believe the town will be able to recognize each other and win.
No, I wasn't saying that because I think scum is stupid...I know I'm town so the only choice I have now is to self-protect. Yeah, I see your point, it would have been better not to say that and let them try to waste an NK on me, but I blurted what I was thinking.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:13:02 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 14:13:02 GMT -5
It isn't the only choice, and that is a trainload of metagame-influenced perception of how the Merc works, which is a completely different thing than choosing to vote for people for metagame reasons, just to nip that retort in the bud preemptively.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:17:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 14:17:14 GMT -5
Just because negotiations go through the mod doesn't mean that people don't have to figure out who he is first. In Star Wars the masons had to PM the mods to guess who I was, and when they found me they could interact with me. That's why I think he was bread-crumbing merc, so people could figure him out. If we get down to three-handed and the 2 town still have their money left, and there's a trail of information on the merc without the merc being able to talk to it, I believe the town will be able to recognize each other and win. No, I wasn't saying that because I think scum is stupid...I know I'm town so the only choice I have now is to self-protect. Yeah, I see your point, it would have been better not to say that and let them try to waste an NK on me, but I blurted what I was thinking. No, what I was saying is that it's best not to let them know what you're doing. Why is protecting yourself the best move? We've got 2 claimed masons you could potentially protect if you don't believe my claim. If you are Town, then you should look at all 3 of you as equally valuable. And they can't be impacted by your roleblocking either. Just because negotiations go through the mod doesn't mean that people don't have to figure out who he is first. In Star Wars the masons had to PM the mods to guess who I was, and when they found me they could interact with me. That's why I think he was bread-crumbing merc, so people could figure him out. I don't see why you would think that. From Hawkmod's opening post, the Merc's ad: If we get down to three-handed and the 2 town still have their money left, and there's a trail of information on the merc without the merc being able to talk to it, I believe the town will be able to recognize each other and win. I'm not following this. But this was obviously important in your decision to try to keep the merc alive and imprisoned for future usefulness to Town. Can you clarify it for me?
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:25:29 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 28, 2009 14:25:29 GMT -5
*glares at the mod for having rule-like information spread across multiple places*
Since "transferred" is specifically used in the Merc paragraph, I'm back to not knowing if bufftabby was hiring the merc herself, or pooling resources. Again, assuming Ed is not lying about what he says he saw.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:35:37 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 28, 2009 14:35:37 GMT -5
While Archangel's logic is a tad bit flawed, I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on her. If she is telling the truth, this role could be very useful for us. She could potentially block Scum at Night, maybe blocking kills or other abilities they may have.
Ed, you claimed Watcher, perhaps you could Watch her toNight to see if she's telling to truth?
If we could confirm this role, it could be a big help.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:43:31 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jul 28, 2009 14:43:31 GMT -5
Meh. I don't really understand the logic you're using, assuming you're even telling the truth. But there's the possibility at least of semi-confirming you(semi since it wouldn't tell us your alignment, just your role, and it assumes that Ed isn't the same alignment as you), so I don't see that lynching you Today is the correct move. That leaves me only one option.
Unvote: Archangel Vote: Jaade
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:45:48 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 28, 2009 14:45:48 GMT -5
So if we believe Archangel then the fact that Stanislaus is locked up has probably nothing to do with NAF's terrorist warning.
If she is scum, then jailing a townie is not a major threat at this point; if she's town, then having a town jailer/blocker is a positive.
I think at this point I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
Vote: jaade
I think HG makes a good point on Ed watching her.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:46:07 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 28, 2009 14:46:07 GMT -5
Unvote: Archangel Vote: Jaade
Jaade isn't my number one choice, but I don't think Archangel is the best choice for toDay. Hopefully we can confirm your role. While it would still leave your alignment up in the air for a bit. I'm more included to believe you're a Peacemaker right now, more than anything, but we'll see.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:47:55 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 28, 2009 14:47:55 GMT -5
more inclined*
Not included. >_<
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:48:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 14:48:31 GMT -5
Meh. I don't really understand the logic you're using, assuming you're even telling the truth. But there's the possibility at least of semi-confirming you(semi since it wouldn't tell us your alignment, just your role, and it assumes that Ed isn't the same alignment as you), so I don't see that lynching you Today is the correct move. That leaves me only one option. Unvote: Archangel [/color] Vote: Jaade [/color][/quote] You and hockeyguy assuming that I will live to report my results toMorrow.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:53:01 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 14:53:01 GMT -5
so, we're voting to keep alive someone who seems to be making a story up as she goes along.
1. She admits to just making things up to support her votes 2. She doesn't want to claim 3. She takes time and comes up with a claim 4. She reports that she jailed someone who she thought was the Merc 5. When questioned on why he was jailed toDay instead of lat Night, she says she was unable to jail him last Night. 6. She says she did so because he would be useful to Town at Endgame without saying how. 7. She claims to have figuredo out he was the merc through the use of a breadcrunmb, but she failed to actually read the description of how the merc was hired because her assumptions indicate she was operating on an entirely different premise. Of course, she didn't come up with that premise until questions.
In fact, everything she's said has been said under pressure. Much of it isn't very logical, and some of it is contradictory.
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Day 2
Jul 28, 2009 14:54:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 28, 2009 14:54:03 GMT -5
oh well, 6 minutes to go. I'm fairly certain, that peacemaker, rebel or merc herself, Archangel is not Town.
Hopefully we'll get lucky with Jaade.
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