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Sept 6, 2009 17:26:54 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 6, 2009 17:26:54 GMT -5
And here I was thinking we were friends, dot. Out of game, sure, we can be as sunshine and rainbows and holding hands singing kumbaya as you like. In game? Die scummy scum scum die.
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Sept 6, 2009 17:31:02 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 6, 2009 17:31:02 GMT -5
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And yet, you've made it seem as if the post was really about you.
Or, to make my point clear: Where did pede bait you?
I FAIL F A I L to see how you do not see this Ed. Why are you out against me, in every single instance? Can you not comprehend that perhaps, you are wrong, and I am right?
Talking about making things center around me, perhaps, just perhaps some time, I might be right.
Same for you Pede.
I FAIL to understand how you don't see that you just baited me here.
But then again, I can't talk about my Avatar, but its perfectly fine to talk about the old TV show Cannon.
No, Meeko. The point was this. There was a tiny bit about your fluff.
There was a lot about the actual game.And yet your reply was that pede was baiting you. Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. That was the meat of his post. You ignored that and assumed that he was baiting you. That post wasn't about you. Yet you seem to have tried to make the post all about you. I promise not to be a distraction, so this will be my last post trying to explain this to you. Either you get it or you don't. And if you don't, maybe someone else can explain it better than I can. But, I will accept that maybe I'm wrong. If others think pede's post was trying to bait Meeko into posting about whatever the hell he and pede were talking about, please let me know <font style="font-size: 12px;">
I'm confused as to why you think I was baiting you in the first place. I have previously said (although I know you think my past statements are irrelevant) that I don't mind a bit o' fluff. I was just asking you a question, and here you are biting my head off. I know you keep getting attacked for no good reason, but you seem really, really touchy.
I obviously have no problem with a bit of OOG. I would like to think that most people are that way.
However, this is the fourth game [easy math on my part, as I have only played in 4 games] where something happens, and I go off. I am sick and tired of other people telling me what I can and can not do, and that their way is soooo much better than mine.
Especially when they are 100% wrong.
So, the attack is not on you, directly pede. Just, you happened to be the next person to ask me an OOG, after I had people vote me for it. I just don't get it. Is there some magic amount of OOG that I surpass? Who has the right to regulate that amount?
And to everyone else:
But, again, I get a first day bandwagon on me a lot, and I just thought that, you know, it would be different. But no, I guess we all know how meeko plays, and apparently, it is set in stone so much, that it can not be changed. [Incredible ideas, Humorous comments, and well thought out WOWs on protstitues [heh] be damned.]
I am not lying here. I do not comprehend why everyone attacks me, and why most people fail to understand me. There is nothing I can do different to my play style, this is what it is, and at the end of the day, I can only ask for everyone else to level up. Because frankly, that is the only way I will appear better to you all, if you bridge the gap to me, and not the other way around.
Egotistical? Perhaps. But then again, I have carried the brand of Peeker-esque even before I came to Mafia. Either you know what you are getting with me, or you don't. And as you all more or less call me a Peeker, I would like to think you can understand me to some degree. What Hypocrites.
Sorry for getting you in there Peeker, but, frankly, your name was dropped in a few too many Haggle games, and well, I am over here now because of it. You are simply the best of fit towards me (apparently) and for convenience, I am going to you to simply make my point here. Can we please change the title of this thread to: Mafia: Conspiracy featuring Meeko Vote: Ed You can't say you won't be a distraction and not explain it to him anymore, and then make a post like that. Based on prior posts, you KNOW he's going to respond to that. You baited him there, and I find that extremely suspicious.
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Sept 6, 2009 17:32:46 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 6, 2009 17:32:46 GMT -5
I wish there were a way to lock Ed and Meeko in a room together. They fight it out, the winner comes back to the game, and then we lynch 'em.
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Sept 6, 2009 17:36:38 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 17:36:38 GMT -5
You can't say you won't be a distraction and not explain it to him anymore, and then make a post like that. Based on prior posts, you KNOW he's going to respond to that. You baited him there, and I find that extremely suspicious. I only said I'd try not to be a distraction. Obviously I failed. Bad Ed.
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Sept 6, 2009 17:47:45 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 6, 2009 17:47:45 GMT -5
Did you seriously just smudge everyone who's multiple voting? That's ridiculous. Now, I think *too many* multiple votes could be a cause for concern, but your blanket statement is smudgy as a mug, and inaccurate IMO.<Buffly bolded> <Snip> so if you are voting for me because you think i smudged you and others and therefore deserving a vote i believe you misunderstood (or i communicated poorly) the intent of my post. if you are voting for me because we have a difference in opinion regarding a subjective issue, that is certainly your perogative. Well, you'll note that it was your smudging that I cited, so that's my reason for voting for you. If you think I ever vote people for mere differences of opinion, you haven't been paying attention.
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Sept 6, 2009 17:53:05 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 6, 2009 17:53:05 GMT -5
am i the only person here that is rapidly approaching the conclusion that the whole ed and meeko interaction is contrived?
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Sept 6, 2009 17:58:18 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 17:58:18 GMT -5
Now, let's look at hockeyguy's contributions to the game: In his first post He comments that Ed is distracting in his second post He fluffs about killing Bill as a grudge In his third post He apologizes for being absent and promises more content in his fourth post He responds to my comment about how cheap votes can allow Scum to sway the vote and keep the focus on just the 2 of us. Hickeyguy thinks that won't happen as the reason for voting us is weak. In his fifth post He votes for boozy for the slip in his sixth post He clarifies a comment he made in his fifth post in his seventh post He comments again on his vote In his eighth post He surmises the boozy might not even be a Cabal, it could be an elaborat plot to draw out a Cabal. in his ninth post He infomrs us that he caught up in his tenth post He responds to boozy allowing the boozy may, in fact, be honest in his eleventh post He agrees with julie when she wishes she could stuff the boozy stuff back in the bottle. (And do what, talk more about the meeko/ed distaction?) in his twelfth post He accuses Sister of being defensive. in his thirteenth post He responds to Boozy about not going along with Boozy's plan to help Town. He then agrees with Ed that we can't trust what booy says and we'd rather have our Town powers in Town hands. in his fourteenth post He fluffs with Boozy in his fifteenth post He ponders that we can't even trust that Boozy will have used his power when he says he does in his sixteenth post He continues his thought. in his seventeenth post He responds to Sister and tells her that he will have a vote in And his eighteenth post is the one where he voted me. Overall, yeah, there's not much there. No tells whatsoever, though I did notice interactions between hg and sister and hg and julie. He also seemed to want us to get off the topic of boozy, but I don't think any of that is a tell in any way at all. I'll try to do more as I'm confined to be indoors for a few more days. Maybe I'll find something. Also, does anyone know how to get post numbers when doing a search for a person's posts?
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Sept 6, 2009 18:02:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 6, 2009 18:02:55 GMT -5
Well, you'll note that it was your smudging that I cited, so that's my reason for voting for you. If you think I ever vote people for mere differences of opinion, you haven't been paying attention. so your statement along the lines that multiple votes leaves more of a record and how could town be opposed to that is a smudge against those folks that don't have mulitple votes?
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Sept 6, 2009 18:06:29 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 6, 2009 18:06:29 GMT -5
I wish there were a way to lock Ed and Meeko in a room together. They fight it out, the winner comes back to the game, and then we lynch 'em. Tried that, didn't work.
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Sept 6, 2009 18:16:10 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 18:16:10 GMT -5
I wish there were a way to lock Ed and Meeko in a room together. They fight it out, the winner comes back to the game, and then we lynch 'em. Tried that, didn't work. haha, you're right. My fatal mistake in that game was confirming him as a mason. That had to be an entertaining mason thread to read as a moderator, no?
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Sept 6, 2009 18:16:26 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 6, 2009 18:16:26 GMT -5
Whatever else they are, they are complete pains in the ass.
I don't don't think we should be bargaining or negotiating or bird-in-the-bushing with Boozy, and that is where my vote is. Blockey may be onto something in analyzing the votes on Boozy, but there just isn't enough data to see clearly there, if we can ever see clearly at all. Maybe it will be more useful in mid or end game.
I do have three FOS votes to make. If Boozy's lead starts to slip I'll unvote them, but this stuff is beyond old already and it is still Day 1.
Vote: Vote Ed Vote: Vote Meeko
Just shut the hell up about this bullshit already. Keep your posts about the game and the information we all have in front of our faces.
Vote: Vote Pede
The little off-topic jab about whatever geogaching pokemon whatever the heck when things were relatively quiet did strike me as baiting Meeko. Unless pede was skimming, I can't see how he could consider such a topic of conversation as kosher in light of what had already been said.
I don't mind a little fluff in the game either, but it was already quite clear that with this group we apparently can't use the real pens because some of the other children can't seem to keep from drawing on each other with them. So we all have to just get by with using our own individual boxes of boring crayons and staying quietly in our seats. Maybe if we can manage to do that until lunch time, we can once again be trusted to have more freedom for fluff.
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Sept 6, 2009 18:27:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 18:27:14 GMT -5
Death By Irony posts so far Day 1: First post But it takes a special kind of Town-aligned bastard to (actively) lie to the Town. ;D I tend to play by my gut when rooting out Scum. If a statement (or string of statements) seem off, I'll go back and look through a person's posting history to see if my hunch plays off. (Unfortunately, that does have a bit of confirmation bias if I'm paranoid.) This often ends with me second-guessing myself to hell and back. Second postHey, look, someone with an even shiner ass* than me! ;D As somebody who has been lynched for being "distracting", I'm not jumping on the bandwagon just yet. I'm also cynical that we're witnessing scum-on-scum violence (insert juvenille joke here). Given the balance of the game, and that it's Day 1, it would take a special kind of brass balls to convincingly fake "two Townies going at each other's throats". Yes, Special Ed's reasoning for going after Meeko is a little thin. But for all the various ways we go after each other, "his posts are really distracting" is not exactly the worst, or the scummiest. Don't forget, we have investigative roles. The loud, shiny people will get looked at soon enough. Beware the quiet ones. *Long story, I'll explain after the game is over. Or go read Psychopaths. (Search for "shiny ass dance" if you need help finding the relevant threads.) Third postNitpick: "Canon", singular n, when talking about stuff pertaining to official plot stuff. "Cannon", two n's, is what you shoot stuff out of (say, scummy scum ;D) From where I'm sitting, Boozy's post does look like either a slip or a soft claim. But I'm gonna give him a chance to explain himself. Fourth postI've just asked Pleonast, and he confirmed for me what I considered to be the worst case scenario: barring any explicit block(s) and/or redirect(s)--if redirects exist in this game--an action will go through regardless of whether or not the person using it is alive, so we can't even ask the Vig to take care of Boozy for us toNight. vote Boozahol Squid, just to be sure. Probably going to stick to one vote until at least one or two Days have passed so that there's an actual posting history to look at. Fifth postMeeko, there's a guaranteed way of finding out Boozahol Squid's alignment: hang him by the neck until dead. (Of course, given that this is a Conspiracy game...I'm gonna ask Pleo about that.) Sixth postAnd here I was thinking we were friends, dot. Out of game, sure, we can be as sunshine and rainbows and holding hands singing kumbaya as you like. In game? Die scummy scum scum die. Overall, not a lot there. I'm afraid that's going to be true and Meeko, Boozahol, and myself are the only ones really making any noise toDay.
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Sept 6, 2009 18:56:33 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 18:56:33 GMT -5
Sister Coyote's Day 1 posts so far: First postAwight, let's get this party started. Speaking of Mafia, not necessarily Conspiracy: I am generally opposed to mass claims. I am generally opposed to lynching the non-participant because it doesn't necessarily give Town a lot of useful information, however, if the option is lynching the non-participant or lynching someone who's being helpful to Town, well, bye-bye lurker. I firmly believe in Lynch All Liars. Town has no reason to lie. Related to that previous point, I believe Scum Will Do Anything. I don't know how well any of this will translate to Conspiracy, but. Second PostLynch All Liars discussion Third postDefines lurkers. Talks of the difference between lies of omission and lies of commission. An INvestigator shouldn't have to do the later. Fourth PostDefines lurker. More on omission/commission Fifth postRedfines herself as "generally for lynching liars" Sixth postMore about commission/omission (I think) Seventh PostCongratulations, FCOD I have to agree that the Meeko/Ed show is pinging me, too. Because it would have been simple enough to say "You know, Meeko, off-topic posts are distracting in a game that requires all our concentration," and leave it at that, or leave the rest of it for post-game. [color=Blue]Vote Meeko Vote Special Ed[/color][/b] Either you're in it together, or Ed knows Meeko will play into his hands. Either way.[/quote] I ended up voting for her for this post. In it, she says that she's voting for the 2 of us because I'm Scum and Meeko might be in on it. She does later unvote, but I did find this suspicious (and still do), since she's really only implicating me, yet voting for both of us. The unvote doesn't remove my suspicion, it seems more like backpedaling. Eighth PostDoesn't want to get into role preference specualtion Ninth PostClarifies that should would keep a vote on a suspected non-Townie even if she voted someone else, but also states she'd remove it from someone she thinks is a Townie (I guess this means she thinks Meek and Ed are Town, since she unvoted us. Or is this another inconsistency?)Tenth Post<snip> You know, it would never have occurred to me to think about what the rest of all y'all might expect me to pick before I sent my request to Pleo. (Which I'm not saying I did or didn't just yet.) I would have picked roles based on which I thought would be most interesting to play.[/quote] Eleventh PostThis feels like a slip. More than feels actually, since this is EXACTLY the same slip I made in Conspiracy 2, when I was Cabal. Okay. My initial thought on reading boozy's question was much along the lines of what peeker says, although it was more like FCS, why would you admit/ask that? In combination with nanook's comment, however, I think that I definitely need to: vote boozahol squid, p.i.Both because of the fishing and because this sort of identical slip-up is exactly the way I was "caught" as scum in the Dr. Horrible game. (Except for the part where it totally wasn't a Scum slip on my part, but whatever ).<snip> I find this strange. I think she's saying she initially she thought Boozahol's question was 'fucked up' (from peeker's decription) but when Nanook mentions it and votes, she decides to follow suit. This all occurs after the Boozahol train has taken the vote lead and seems to be gaining steam. I think I might be misunderstand, though, what she means by it's the same slip she made in Dr Horrible. Also, it didn't really strike me as fishing, as it should have been apparent to Boozahol that not everyone had secret powers.Twelfth PostOkay, so...having established that Boozy is not-Town, can we start looking again for who else might be not-Town? Pretty please? I'm still of the opinion that Meeko and Ed might not be Town, which is why I haven't unvoted them, but... Thirteenth Postunvote Edunvote MeekoBecause I don't have enough to make a solid case on either of them, and my earlier votes were weak. I'm more interested in those folks who are interested in keeping Boozy on the front burner right now. Don't those 2 posts look strange right next to each other?
Also, the comment about those interested in Boozahol, it almost sounds like she's threatening to bring heat on them. And yet, she's made no cases herself. She isn't actually ging after those who are going after Boozahol. It just strikes me that she's playing it safe And, she's also backtracking, since she said she'd keep her votes on someone she still suspected, and then she removed them....or is she lying and you know what she wants us to do to liars....
I already have a vote on Sister, and I'm keeping it there.
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Sept 6, 2009 19:18:57 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 6, 2009 19:18:57 GMT -5
[/color] The little off-topic jab about whatever geogaching pokemon whatever the heck when things were relatively quiet did strike me as baiting Meeko. Unless pede was skimming, I can't see how he could consider such a topic of conversation as kosher in light of what had already been said. [/quote] I was catching up. I hadn't read the entire thread, and in fact my next post was responses to the thread as I caught up. Since my first response was fluff, I decided to make it it's own post. But then I figured that four or five posts in a row would be annoying, so I put the rest of the fluff in with the strategy. So yeah, I hadn't read the squabble when I made that post.
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Sept 6, 2009 20:16:17 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 6, 2009 20:16:17 GMT -5
<snipped> you better be glad i already have a vote down. Why? Did I misspell it?
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Sept 6, 2009 21:56:09 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 6, 2009 21:56:09 GMT -5
The Puppetmaster power, if true, is moderately risky. Not that anyone accused me of it that I noticed, but I never wanted to keep him around. Dead by tomorrow was always my intention.
In response to something said (I think by pedescribe a while back) about the disingenuousness of my reference to the bandwagon containing scum while only a few people weren't on it - I should clarify that I was talking about how it formed, not necessarily the state it was at the time. The ensuing discussion on vote ordering I see headed in a good direction and was the sort of thing I ought to have said.
So while I still won't have the time this weekend to put a lot into this Day, I'm not going to throw an easy vote on the Boozy bonfire. I'd rather go past that into more meaningful discussion. I hope I can get at least something tonight, or tomorrow at least.
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Sept 6, 2009 22:26:46 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 6, 2009 22:26:46 GMT -5
Well, you'll note that it was your smudging that I cited, so that's my reason for voting for you. If you think I ever vote people for mere differences of opinion, you haven't been paying attention. so your statement along the lines that multiple votes leaves more of a record and how could town be opposed to that is a smudge against those folks that don't have mulitple votes? No, I don't think a lack of multiple votes is suspicious, but rather those who oppose multiple votes in general. A distaste for leaving behind data points is definitely a data point worth noting in and of itself.
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Sept 6, 2009 22:35:43 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 6, 2009 22:35:43 GMT -5
No, I don't think a lack of multiple votes is suspicious, but rather those who oppose multiple votes in general. A distaste for leaving behind data points is definitely a data point worth noting in and of itself. I don't oppose multiple votes (no idea if you were considering me amongst that group), but for me I think multiple votes would mean that I could be less sure of each vote. I think I'd be more inclined to be more scattershot than I prefer. That's my take on my own mental processes, not a judgment of anyone else.
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Sept 6, 2009 23:08:13 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 6, 2009 23:08:13 GMT -5
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Sept 6, 2009 23:27:09 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 6, 2009 23:27:09 GMT -5
OK, Meeko, since this is game related. Here are your quotes from post 198 and 199. They immediately followed pede's very long post where he voted and then unvoted me. Wait. A vote for, and an unvote for, the same person, in the same thread?! That, and you are baiting me to go OOG again, Pede. Keep that up, and I won't tell you that I put promotional sampler booster packs from 2001 in my geocaches. [Complete with waaaay expired coupons inside!] But, sure enough, me being this OOG again will probably draw fire. So Vote Pedefor bringing it up again. NETA: Same post. And for clarification : I believe that pede is trying to stir me up again, so, I will simply answer his question, and vote him for asking. Now, pede's post 197 is very long here it is in its entirety (for some reason some of the quotes within quotes are gone, but it's post 197, you can easily find it. I voted you because you post things that have nothing to do with the game. It's distracting. It's anti-Town. It's not needed. Why not save that for Night? <snip> And, you see, your post mostly talked about the avatars...which have nothing to do with the game. Cut that shit out. I find this hilarious coming from you. (Although I can see where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. As long as the fluff is clearly delineated, I don't find it at all distracting.) Well put. Now see, here's where my opinion diverges from yours. You seem to think that anything distracting is anti-town, with more distraction = more anti-town. I see it as more nuanced. Because we are not robots, we can filter out small distractions, or blocks of distractions if they are not page-size. Thus, unless a distraction is huge, it isn't really anti-town. Your rabid pursuing of this is actually rather off-putting. I think you're being anti-town at this point. And I know that sometimes, scum are specifically encouraged (by other scum) to poke Meeko so he grows more distracting. Vote: Spec. Ed [/color] This, I doubt. That would be seriously unbalanced, unless there was, like, one cabal. I don't think we should have the discussion. I think it will be a HUGE distraction, resulting in a ton of mass without acutally informing us of anything, even assuming everyone tells the truth. The chance that we nab someone based off of it is weighed equally with the possiblity of mislynching based on the discussion. Vote: Storyteller [/color] That looks incredibly scummy. Look at the juxtaposition! 'I got a specific role, but I'm not going to say what it is. On an unrelated note, isn't it weird how the town have to conceal themselves in this game?' That's a painfully transparent bid for townie cred. Do squids even have balls? Agreed on pretty much all points. In my opinion, we should try to limit ourselves to 3 votes, at most,so that we don't dilute the meaning of the lynch. Yeah see, this is a problem. If our votes are worth so little, it weakens the town. Nonetheless, I am inclined to agree that Boozy's probably scum. Vote: Boozy Squid [/color] Interesting analysis. I already found something suspicious about storyteller, this makes me even more suspicious. Unvote: Special Ed [/color] The fewer votes I have, the more weight the once I still have carry. But as the saying goes, you can (and some do) use cannons to enforce canon. Well, in consultation with my other Cabalists.... I'm going to come out and admit my own stupidity. Just to let those townies out there, the Cabal does have a potent anti-Wolf and anti-Vampire hidden power. The Cabal really doesn't have any sort of head-on conflicts with the Town, we both want to see the other two factions dead: we just want there to be a couple of dead Witches along the way. We also don't have any way of hurting the Town. And, unfortunately for both the Cabal and the Town, I hold it. If you off me, you'll put the Cabal in the situation of watching and waiting, rather than actively helping you with your goal. If you let me stay alive, I will use my power relatively quickly, and help both our factions. If I die toDay, we both lose out. Your guys choice. Yeah, and I'm the Governor, here for a plea bargain*. I ain't moving my vote. *In one game, I claimed Governor and offered the (townie) lynchee the chance to sell out other scum. He didn't (obviously) I wasn't Governor, and the whole thing blew up in my face. Probably the dumbest thing I ever did in these games.[/quote] OK, so, as you might have guess, I assumed your posts 198 and 199 were in reaction to post 197, where you were only mentioned in passing. And, in fact, 198 mentions things that also were posted in post 197 (the vote and unvote). It seems now that you're trying to claim that the 'baiting comment' was in reaction to pede's post from a couple of hours earlier, number 192, which was this: To anticipate : A GPS sport in which you use co-ordinates to seek out and find caches and log books in which you sign your name and take and leave trade Items. My User name over there is Magic Meeko, and I leave Magic Cards in the caches I find. Rares or commons? Or super-rares? What do you think of the super-rares, anyway? so, I've read post 197 from pede over and over again. The one you were referencing in post 198, and I still cannot find any baiting. If you're now claiming that you meant he was baiting you in post 192, But, since you were talking about post 197, didn't look back to post 192 to see the baiting. I assumed you were talking about the same post. I've found it's more helpful for other players if you try to be clear about which posts you are referencing. If you want them to understand your thought process. I think this might appear very convoluted, but I'm trying now to stay on topic within the game when talking with Meeko, and I wanted to be clear to him why I said what I did.
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Sept 6, 2009 23:55:39 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 6, 2009 23:55:39 GMT -5
so your statement along the lines that multiple votes leaves more of a record and how could town be opposed to that is a smudge against those folks that don't have mulitple votes? No, I don't think a lack of multiple votes is suspicious, but rather those who oppose multiple votes in general. A distaste for leaving behind data points is definitely a data point worth noting in and of itself. As I said earlier in a post, I also think voting one person at a time makes much more sense and seems to be the better thing to do overall, although I wouldn't go as far as to say it's anti-town to multi-vote. I'm probably never going to multi-vote in this game...does that make me "opposed" to the idea? I see a lot of peekers points as well as what someone else said earlier (I think it was Cookies). For one, multi-votes makes it a lot easier for anti-town factions to screw with the voting, I think. If five or six (or even just two or three) people all have 2-7 votes on them from varous people, all scum has to do is pick and choose who to bump off first, in any order they think is best. As for the other point...I see extra votes as sort of just another way of throwing out "FOS"s and frankly, I've never really seen the point of those either. I've played in about 13 games now and if you go back, you will never, ever, in any single post I made in any of them, find a place where I say "FOS <name>!". I never have and never will. I don't see the point in it. In fact, every time I've actually used the term "FOS" in a post, in a game, I've put quotation marks around it, just to further show my opinion that it's hardly counted as a real thing. You either vote for someone, or you don't, in this game. That's my opinion, anyway...and voting for extra people when only one person will be lynched seems like just another, high quality way of saying "FOS". Again, not saying it's anti-town or makes me suspicious...just pointing out to you the fact that people can that opinion, even if Town.
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 0:53:53 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 7, 2009 0:53:53 GMT -5
Well, to be clear, my initial comment to peeker was in response to his 1.211:
This is what I mean by opposing multiple voting.
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 1:37:38 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 7, 2009 1:37:38 GMT -5
Now, now now, people. We're getting away from the true purpose of the rest of toDay, which is deciding that everybody wants me to live, and to lynch one of the two annoying folks (Meeko or Specialed) here.
I lied. I'm not in fact the PuppetMaster. I'm the Cabalist Depleter.
When I die, I will, in fact, be able to select three different roles to turn into Vanillas. Yes! I said it, in this game with no vanillas, I am able, upon death, to turn any three players into players unable to act. If I target townies, they turn vanilla. If I target wolves, they may not kill, and the Omega will be revealed to Witch investigations as a wolf. If I target Undead, they cannot act further. Again, if I select any Witches, they are unaffected. Now, in order for my death to be of any help to the Town, the Witches need to come forward right now, so that I can make sure to target other people, in order to help everybody (not Undead or Wolf) out.
How's about that?
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 2:29:40 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Sept 7, 2009 2:29:40 GMT -5
Now, now now, people. We're getting away from the true purpose of the rest of toDay, which is deciding that everybody wants me to live, and to lynch one of the two annoying folks (Meeko or Specialed) here. I lied. I'm not in fact the PuppetMaster. I'm the Cabalist Depleter. When I die, I will, in fact, be able to select three different roles to turn into Vanillas. Yes! I said it, in this game with no vanillas, I am able, upon death, to turn any three players into players unable to act. If I target townies, they turn vanilla. If I target wolves, they may not kill, and the Omega will be revealed to Witch investigations as a wolf. If I target Undead, they cannot act further. Again, if I select any Witches, they are unaffected. Now, in order for my death to be of any help to the Town, the Witches need to come forward right now, so that I can make sure to target other people, in order to help everybody (not Undead or Wolf) out. How's about that? And the Oscar for the best original screenplay goes to..... Try a random article from wikipedia, it's probably more believable.
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Sept 7, 2009 6:14:18 GMT -5
Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 7, 2009 6:14:18 GMT -5
Those are some cool roles you are coming up with Squiddy You really should hang around as a zombie barman - except of course that would mean you were then a zombie undead and that wouldn't help us at all, so perhaps not.
FWIW my take on the multiple voting is it helps muddy the waters and would allow the wolves/cabal to boost the average vote count across a spread of targets of a non wolf/cabal (I assume they are the only ones who can work in coperation) thus making it more likely a non wolf/cabal gets lynched. This is fine if it increases the chances of undead getting it in neck, but given their supposed low numbers (2 vamps and one necro in C2)
Personally I prefer to stick to the one active vote method. Obviously others disagree, but I think the multi vote best serves wolf and cabal.
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 6:43:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 7, 2009 6:43:54 GMT -5
No, I don't think a lack of multiple votes is suspicious, but rather those who oppose multiple votes in general. A distaste for leaving behind data points is definitely a data point worth noting in and of itself. ok, i'll try one last time and then move on because i certainly don't intend to open another ring in this circus. and this is how it makes sense to me. if others disagree (especially with the underlying mathematical assumptions) feel free to comment. in performing rather unsophisticated data analysis one tool that i used frequently was regression analysis and the sum of least squares to plot a line of best fit (it's been a while, folks). as more data points became plottable, and therefore able to be included in the underlying best fit calculations, one could begin to get not only a more accurate line but one could also increase the confidence level that one expressed about the line being a predictor for unobserved elements (if observed data element is 1,1 2,2,2 3,3 one could fit and predict 10,10). so one typically extraplolates that more data = better data and information. however, if for each instance there is more than one observed occurrence, or number or reading or whatever, then it actually weakens the overall calculations rather than strengthens them. this is one of the fallacies or current business systems. we become data rich and information poor. or at worst, information contradictory. now someone much smarter than me would have to actually do the calculations on the impacts of confidence levels when single points have multiple observations (i seem to recall that there was a side calculation in this situation). i know that i got chastised at one point for taking an average because i didn't do the underlying confidence/weighting calculation on the multiple observation data elements. and i don't believe it was as simple as just multiply the overall confidence interval times the subset confidence interval since it was never intended to be linear (the calculations not the line). hope this helps in explaining why i have the opinion that i do.
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Sept 7, 2009 6:47:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 7, 2009 6:47:13 GMT -5
neta: the 2,2,2 should read 2,2. otherwise we are getting into a whole 'nother realm. one in which i failed miserably. that's why i became an accountant rather than a statistician.
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 7:43:02 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 7, 2009 7:43:02 GMT -5
In response to something said (I think by pedescribe a while back) about the disingenuousness of my reference to the bandwagon containing scum while only a few people weren't on it - I should clarify that I was talking about how it formed, not necessarily the state it was at the time. The ensuing discussion on vote ordering I see headed in a good direction and was the sort of thing I ought to have said. Pretty sure that was Mr. Blockey, not me. Now, now now, people. We're getting away from the true purpose of the rest of toDay, which is deciding that everybody wants me to live, and to lynch one of the two annoying folks (Meeko or Specialed) here. I lied. I'm not in fact the PuppetMaster. I'm the Cabalist Depleter. When I die, I will, in fact, be able to select three different roles to turn into Vanillas. Yes! I said it, in this game with no vanillas, I am able, upon death, to turn any three players into players unable to act. If I target townies, they turn vanilla. If I target wolves, they may not kill, and the Omega will be revealed to Witch investigations as a wolf. If I target Undead, they cannot act further. Again, if I select any Witches, they are unaffected. Now, in order for my death to be of any help to the Town, the Witches need to come forward right now, so that I can make sure to target other people, in order to help everybody (not Undead or Wolf) out. How's about that? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Do I even need to explain why it's a bad idea for the most powerful power roles* to claim on Day 1, when there are probably at least 3 killing roles that want them dead? No, because it's so obvious. *Assuming they exist, yadda yadda, usual disclaimer here.
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Sept 7, 2009 7:59:05 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 7, 2009 7:59:05 GMT -5
Unbelievable? Yes. That is the word I am looking for.
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Day One
Sept 7, 2009 8:01:53 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 7, 2009 8:01:53 GMT -5
in performing rather unsophisticated data analysis one tool that i used frequently was regression analysis and the sum of least squares to plot a line of best fit (it's been a while, folks). as more data points became plottable, and therefore able to be included in the underlying best fit calculations, one could begin to get not only a more accurate line but one could also increase the confidence level that one expressed about the line being a predictor for unobserved elements (if observed data element is 1,1 2,2,2 3,3 one could fit and predict 10,10).
Chronos? Is that you?!
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