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Sept 4, 2009 15:19:09 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 15:19:09 GMT -5
i thought the cabal could only block? That's their power, but this game has always involved players having an extra treat in their bag when they open up their role pm. In the first Conspiracy, I was a Witch who could also do an extra protection. I forget what my extra role was in C2. My role in this game also has an extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours? Err, no. The role I received was exactly as posted in the list in the Rules thread. In fact, I recall the host saying something about each faction having a secret power type role.... Vote: Booze For now anyway.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 15:21:30 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 4, 2009 15:21:30 GMT -5
Sorry I've been a bit quiet. I was concentrating on Weird Wild West. I'll probably have to concentrate in cycles for a while, since I'm in a lot of games right now. A day here, a day over there, and so on. Plus my rl obligation to stat up some encounters for my tabletop D&D group for Sunday's game. But I digress...
In these Conspiracy games, it can be important, especially later in the game, to carefully consider whether you can afford to kill the identified nonTown player, or whether lynching the scum in front of you will result in the one in the bush claiming victory. If you read last game, we had a known Werewolf identified for Days, but kept hunting for other antiTown factions; and rightly so. So long as a Werewolf lived, the Cabal couldn't win; so poor Drain Bead was kept alive, the token scum, not listened to but not lynched, until the Cabal had been rooted out.
Part of the reason, of course, was that there was only one Witch still alive, Roosh having been slain Night 2 and Hockey Monkey Night 3. So the Cabal were, at that point, a threat.
We are, of course, not yet anywhere near the point where we need to worry about what order to kill the nonTown factions in, and when (or if) we get to that point will depend on casualty distribution. Taking out the self-confessed anti-Town player is the right way to go.
Vote: Boozy Squid
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 15:36:45 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 15:36:45 GMT -5
It's too early to be voting for Meeko for his behavior. Is he going to be Anti-Town? Possibly, maybe even probably. But if you never give him a chance, how is he going to get better? And I know you're bitter about being forced to be a mason with him Ed, but that's no reason to hold a grudge. That's their power, but this game has always involved players having an extra treat in their bag when they open up their role pm. In the first Conspiracy, I was a Witch who could also do an extra protection. I forget what my extra role was in C2. My role in this game also has an extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours? I'm vaguely surprised no one else picked up on this, especially the people that played in the last Conspiracy. From the rules: Its only one secret power per faction, so it's more than likely by far that any given person will NOT have a bonus power. The quote from Boozy indicates that he specifically has the power, as opposed to his faction. Of the 4 factions, Town is extremely unlikely to have its bonus power concentrated in one person. The Undead and possibly the Wolves on the other hand, I can easily see having it with one person. This feels like a slip. More than feels actually, since this is EXACTLY the same slip I made in Conspiracy 2, when I was Cabal. Vote: Boozahol Squid [/color][/quote] =) Ok, I'm not blind. I knew Pleo said that somewhere but after my last post I couldn't find the exact quote.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 15:43:36 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 15:43:36 GMT -5
I was going to vote Boozahol after seeing/catching the slip when he made it but then figured, for once, I'd actually finish the topic before composing an answer. .. ...Just to see everyone else already voting for him. Vote: Boozahol [/color] And while I think Ed was wrong for voting for Meeko for the reasons he gave, I equally think the rush of votes that were placed on Ed for it is hasty as well. Seems to me there was a huge influx of votes just because there was an easy, possible reason for it. [/quote] I feel the same way. I read that thinking I struck gold, only to see everyone else already voted. I don't feel so special anymore. =(
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 15:47:38 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 15:47:38 GMT -5
Unless this power comes with some sort of guarantee of being accurate, useful, or producing useful information, I fail to see how he can assure us that he'll live up to his pledge of "relatively quickly" using it to help both Town and Cabal. I also think the nature of his slip betrays a likelyhood that he is not the sole owner of his faction's power. Amen! Without knowing how useful, if it even is, to us, it's hard to know if we should allow him to use it. Then there's the chance that he's not Cabal and his claim is a lie. Maybe even a ploy to try and draw out a member of the Cabal to counter him.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 15:53:49 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 15:53:49 GMT -5
OK, caught up. =)
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 16:24:38 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 4, 2009 16:24:38 GMT -5
Amen! Without knowing how useful, if it even is, to us, it's hard to know if we should allow him to use it. Then there's the chance that he's not Cabal and his claim is a lie. Maybe even a ploy to try and draw out a member of the Cabal to counter him. Pish posh. I might be scum, but I don't lie.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 17:39:25 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 17:39:25 GMT -5
Amen! Without knowing how useful, if it even is, to us, it's hard to know if we should allow him to use it. Then there's the chance that he's not Cabal and his claim is a lie. Maybe even a ploy to try and draw out a member of the Cabal to counter him. Pish posh. I might be scum, but I don't lie. Quite possible.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 17:54:22 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 17:54:22 GMT -5
Pish posh. I might be scum, but I don't lie. well i'll reiterate what i said earlier. what you got? if nothing else it could prove entertaining as well as keeping the cricket infestation down.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 18:02:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 18:02:53 GMT -5
as mentioned earlier the whole voting mechanism for this set up sure lends itself to some bad outcomes. with multiple votes they are really nothing more than glorified fos's (a device i have personally never used) if used with abandon. heck they don't even carry borda type weight. i understand that early on using more than one to get something on the record is marginally defensible. but if, at the end of the Day folks still have multiple votes floating around that sure seems like a dodge on accountability (as has been mentioned).
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 18:19:32 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 18:19:32 GMT -5
Okay, so...having established that Boozy is not-Town, can we start looking again for who else might be not-Town? Pretty please?
I'm still of the opinion that Meeko and Ed might not be Town, which is why I haven't unvoted them, but...
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 18:46:54 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 18:46:54 GMT -5
Okay, so...having established that Boozy is not-Town, can we start looking again for who else might be not-Town? Pretty please? I'm still of the opinion that Meeko and Ed might not be Town, which is why I haven't unvoted them, but... The reason being....? Here's all I could find that you said about it earlier Congratulations, FCOD I have to agree that the Meeko/Ed show is pinging me, too. Because it would have been simple enough to say "You know, Meeko, off-topic posts are distracting in a game that requires all our concentration," and leave it at that, or leave the rest of it for post-game. Vote Meeko Vote Special EdEither you're in it together, or Ed knows Meeko will play into his hands. Either way. I guess what I mean, is why are you convinced that one of us isn't Town? I know people have stated that I was distracting and aggressive, but you've played enough games with me as Town to know I that I've often played that way. What makes this time different for you?. I realize you may not have played with Meeko. I have, and despite his being Town a couple of times, his playstyle was a boon to the Scum in those games. Also, the way you stated your accusation implies that you're pretty sure I'm Scum, but not so sure about Meeko. Either it was both of us or it was me picking on him. So why did he get a vote too since your implying that the tactic came from a scummy Special? I already have a vote on Boozy, but your play seems opportunistic. I'd not expect that from a Town player. Vote: Sister Coyote PS, you did ask for us to continue Scum hunting, didn't you? ;D
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 19:12:08 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 19:12:08 GMT -5
To anticipate : A GPS sport in which you use co-ordinates to seek out and find caches and log books in which you sign your name and take and leave trade Items. My User name over there is Magic Meeko, and I leave Magic Cards in the caches I find. Rares or commons? Or super-rares? What do you think of the super-rares, anyway?
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 19:20:11 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 4, 2009 19:20:11 GMT -5
I think unless I have a very strong reason to believe that two people are in cahoots, I will be placing one vote at a time.
I wish there were a way to stuff the Boozy genie back in the bottle until a little later in the Day.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 19:27:13 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 4, 2009 19:27:13 GMT -5
Considering most of the time (in my experience at least) we end up forcing a town player to claim (sometimes more than one) and/or lynching a town player at the end of Day 1, I'm certainly not complaining. There's nothing stopping the conversation from continuing. Ed and Meeko now seem to be behaving themselves. I am not able to see a compelling motivation for making an early Day 1 spectacle of themselves at this point. I'm certainly willing to listen and mull it over if you think you can convince me.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 19:37:33 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 19:37:33 GMT -5
I think unless I have a very strong reason to believe that two people are in cahoots, I will be placing one vote at a time. I wish there were a way to stuff the Boozy genie back in the bottle until a little later in the Day. That's how I'm going to go about it for the most part as well.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 20:08:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 4, 2009 20:08:44 GMT -5
I think unless I have a very strong reason to believe that two people are in cahoots, I will be placing one vote at a time. Same here. And again, I think the Meeko and Ed thing is being blown a bit out of proportion and being made bigger than it really is/needs to be. It's also filled up a page or three toDay so I'd actually be more wary of those starting and going on about the Meeko and Ed thing then them themselves.
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Sept 4, 2009 20:25:41 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 20:25:41 GMT -5
I voted you because you post things that have nothing to do with the game. It's distracting. It's anti-Town. It's not needed. Why not save that for Night? <snip> And, you see, your post mostly talked about the avatars...which have nothing to do with the game. Cut that shit out. I find this hilarious coming from you. (Although I can see where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. As long as the fluff is clearly delineated, I don't find it at all distracting.) I understand, but you spend more time talking about your 'style of play' than you spend actually playing mafia. That doesn't help Town. So, I'm asking that you stop that and start playing mafia. We all know your style. What we want to do is talk about the game, not Meeko, can you understand that? Well put. Because your avatar has nothing to do with this game. Therefore discussion of your avatar distracts us from the game at hand. I don't mind an offhand comment or tow here or there, but you tend to take something not related to the game and go on and on about it. I am telling you that doing so is distracting and anti-Town. I'm confused why you don't understand that your avatar, geocaching, GPS, and the like are NOT involved in this game. Now see, here's where my opinion diverges from yours. You seem to think that anything distracting is anti-town, with more distraction = more anti-town. I see it as more nuanced. Because we are not robots, we can filter out small distractions, or blocks of distractions if they are not page-size. Thus, unless a distraction is huge, it isn't really anti-town. Your rabid pursuing of this is actually rather off-putting. I think you're being anti-town at this point. And I know that sometimes, scum are specifically encouraged (by other scum) to poke Meeko so he grows more distracting. Vote: Spec. Ed <snipped and bolding mine> i thought the cabal could only block? In the last game, the special power of the Cabal was a one-off kill. Of course, we may not have any witches in the game, in which case all the cabal have to do is kill off the wolves and undead and survive to tell the tale. The town would be of no consequence. This, I doubt. That would be seriously unbalanced, unless there was, like, one cabal. What are the opinions on people being allowed to ask for roles/alignments? How do you think it might play into finding Scum? Would we think it more likely that someone who signed up early got their preference and someone who signed up late might not have or do you think it likely Pleo waited until he had all preferences? Should we even be having this conversation? And if we should, how do you think it should play out? Should we just post what we think other players might have picked? I don't think we should have the discussion. I think it will be a HUGE distraction, resulting in a ton of mass without acutally informing us of anything, even assuming everyone tells the truth. The chance that we nab someone based off of it is weighed equally with the possiblity of mislynching based on the discussion. Though for the record, I will say that I did request something specific, and received exactly that.--------------------- Totally unrelated: I just realized something, uniquely characteristic of these Conspiracy games, and I need to share. In every other Mafia game, the Town's goal is to find Scum, out them, and lynch them. But in Conspiracy, a weird thing happens. The Town goal here is actually to hide from all the other factions who is Town, in order to generate a suitable number of cross-kills to have a chance at winning. It is the Town that wants to conceal, as much as possible, the identities of its members. Weird. Vote: Storyteller That looks incredibly scummy. Look at the juxtaposition! 'I got a specific role, but I'm not going to say what it is. On an unrelated note, isn't it weird how the town have to conceal themselves in this game?' That's a painfully transparent bid for townie cred. <snip> Sorry if this makes you think my balls are a little less shiny, Buff. Unvote: Meeko Do squids even have balls? OK, so I created this debacle with my aggressive Day 1 play, much like I create the debacle that caused the word debacle to be in play. In fact, if anyone can recall a game where I haven't taken on heat early, please, let me know. I think Crimson Glyph might be the only one recently. I guess I should be used to it. What concerns me this time is the loose voting. Allowing as many votes as possible is going to make it way too easy to hide intentions in the vote counts. I think vote analysis is going to be an issue. I also still maintain that early momentum will be critical as unvoting won't be necessary. I fear we may hand over the main Town power of lynching to non-Town roles. I also fear we may allow people to into non-participation. In fact, aside from the Day 1 issues of liars and lurking, and the Meeko/Special debacle, what have we discussed? A little bit about role preferences? I'm finding this especially frustrating, and not in the usual I'm leading the lynch vote way, but in a way where it seems even the lynch is stacked against Town. I'm fully prepared to engage in other conversation. I accept all the votes on me for what has been correctly perceived as Anti-Town play. If anyone else wishes to vote for me for those same reasons, I won't argue that either. I just hope we can move on. I concede all points against me. I created a distraction in attempting to avoid what I felt was going to be a distraction from recent history. Agreed on pretty much all points. In my opinion, we should try to limit ourselves to 3 votes, at most,so that we don't dilute the meaning of the lynch. Oooohhhh interesting! I'd call that a slip. Enough for a vote, seeing as how our votes are worth less than rainbows and unicorn farts Vote: Boozahol Squid [/color][/quote] Yeah see, this is a problem. If our votes are worth so little, it weakens the town. Nonetheless, I am inclined to agree that Boozy's probably scum. Vote: Boozy Squid <snip> This strikes me as fishing. I think that it was planned to be an innocent question, but I think the line of comments it planned to start would arrive at information at the end of the day. It might not be direct fishing, but it is fishing enough in my book, and I just can't shake the feeling I have on this one. Why would town ask this? I don't think that they would.
If town wouldn't ask this, who would? The list at once appears long, but, at the end of the day, I think there is one alignment that comes out ahead in the race. The Cabal.
If the only thing Cabal can do is to block, then they would want to make sure they know who to block, right? Vote Storyteller.I think you are Cabal, and I think you are fishing. Interesting analysis. I already found something suspicious about storyteller, this makes me even more suspicious. Unvote: Special Ed The fewer votes I have, the more weight the once I still have carry. Nitpick: "Canon", singular n, when talking about stuff pertaining to official plot stuff. "Cannon", two n's, is what you shoot stuff out of (say, scummy scum ;D) But as the saying goes, you can (and some do) use cannons to enforce canon. Well, in consultation with my other Cabalists.... I'm going to come out and admit my own stupidity. Just to let those townies out there, the Cabal does have a potent anti-Wolf and anti-Vampire hidden power. The Cabal really doesn't have any sort of head-on conflicts with the Town, we both want to see the other two factions dead: we just want there to be a couple of dead Witches along the way. We also don't have any way of hurting the Town. And, unfortunately for both the Cabal and the Town, I hold it. If you off me, you'll put the Cabal in the situation of watching and waiting, rather than actively helping you with your goal. If you let me stay alive, I will use my power relatively quickly, and help both our factions. If I die toDay, we both lose out. Your guys choice. Yeah, and I'm the Governor, here for a plea bargain*. I ain't moving my vote. *In one game, I claimed Governor and offered the (townie) lynchee the chance to sell out other scum. He didn't (obviously) I wasn't Governor, and the whole thing blew up in my face. Probably the dumbest thing I ever did in these games.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 20:40:24 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 20:40:24 GMT -5
Wait. A vote for, and an unvote for, the same person, in the same thread?! That, and you are baiting me to go OOG again, Pede. Keep that up, and I won't tell you that I put promotional sampler booster packs from 2001 in my geocaches. [Complete with waaaay expired coupons inside!] But, sure enough, me being this OOG again will probably draw fire. So Vote Pedefor bringing it up again.
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Sept 4, 2009 20:46:52 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 20:46:52 GMT -5
NETA: Same post. And for clarification : I believe that pede is trying to stir me up again, so, I will simply answer his question, and vote him for asking.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 20:47:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 20:47:56 GMT -5
Wait. A vote for, and an unvote for, the same person, in the same thread?! That, and you are baiting me to go OOG again, Pede. Keep that up, and I won't tell you that I put promotional sampler booster packs from 2001 in my geocaches. [Complete with waaaay expired coupons inside!] But, sure enough, me being this OOG again will probably draw fire. So Vote Pedefor bringing it up again. OK, in an attempt to be more concillatory, let me state this. Pede made a long post. He really didn't mention you too much except having you as an target of my potential scum tactic. And to say he doesn't mind minimal fluff in a game post. I think it was obvious that he was posting as he caught up. BY the end, he'd changed his mind about me, but he wanted his thought process on the record. And yet, you've made it seem as if the post was really about you. Or, to make my point clear: Where did pede bait you?
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 20:52:35 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 20:52:35 GMT -5
That didn't really sound conciliatory.
What I was intending to do was to offer helpful advice to Meeko as to why he comes off as being anti-Town at times. And one of those things is thinking most of the comment made in the game are about him.
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Day One
Sept 4, 2009 21:14:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 4, 2009 21:14:02 GMT -5
I can understand the vote and then unvote if he's doing what I usually do and replying to posts as he goes along (typing his reply out before reading any reply after it). I almost always play this way too, although when it comes to things like that, I'll usually go back and correct it if my mind is changed THAT much (enough to vote and then unvote)..cause it really does look sort of weird. I can just see why one would do that, though, with a replying-like-that-style.
OOG-Ed, did you send me a message on Yahoo/add me on that? I got a message from someone named [your name][the first letter of your last name]66. Is that you? *dubious*
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Sept 4, 2009 21:39:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 21:39:42 GMT -5
Same here. And again, I think the Meeko and Ed thing is being blown a bit out of proportion and being made bigger than it really is/needs to be. It's also filled up a page or three toDay so I'd actually be more wary of those starting and going on about the Meeko and Ed thing then them themselves. idle has spoken. no mas, comprehende?
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Sept 4, 2009 21:41:59 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 4, 2009 21:41:59 GMT -5
I've just asked Pleonast, and he confirmed for me what I considered to be the worst case scenario: barring any explicit block(s) and/or redirect(s)--if redirects exist in this game--an action will go through regardless of whether or not the person using it is alive, so we can't even ask the Vig to take care of Boozy for us toNight.
vote Boozahol Squid, just to be sure.
Probably going to stick to one vote until at least one or two Days have passed so that there's an actual posting history to look at.
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Sept 4, 2009 21:44:51 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 21:44:51 GMT -5
and yaknow it'd be easier to move on if the damn horse didn't keep getting unearthed and beat over and over again.
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Sept 4, 2009 21:47:14 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 21:47:14 GMT -5
Wait. A vote for, and an unvote for, the same person, in the same thread?! That, and you are baiting me to go OOG again, Pede. Keep that up, and I won't tell you that I put promotional sampler booster packs from 2001 in my geocaches. [Complete with waaaay expired coupons inside!] But, sure enough, me being this OOG again will probably draw fire. So Vote Pedefor bringing it up again. ...huh?
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Sept 4, 2009 21:49:18 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 21:49:18 GMT -5
Pede made a long post. He really didn't mention you too much except having you as an target of my potential scum tactic. And to say he doesn't mind minimal fluff in a game post. I think it was obvious that he was posting as he caught up. BY the end, he'd changed his mind about me, but he wanted his thought process on the record. FTR, I didn't really change my mind about you. I still think you're mildly scummy. However, I thought storyteller was scummy enough that it was worth it to take my vote off of you to emphasize my vote on him. Like, if we were doing Bordacount, it would have been: 1. Boozy 2. Ed 3. Storyteller and then after Meeko's case: 1.Storyteller 2. Boozy 3. Ed if that makes any sense.
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Sept 4, 2009 21:50:15 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 4, 2009 21:50:15 GMT -5
Before we send Dio off to the gallows, I have a proposal: Would it be better to let the Vig (if they exist) take him out tonight?
There's almost no way Boozahol is Town, so the remorse of the Vig wouldn't set in. Nobody's going to keep him alive (barring a very lucky block). If for some reason he's alive tomorrow morning, we kill him.
Personally, I think we might be better off trying to look at other people than simply take out the obvious target. Granted, I can't say there's a more obvious person right now. One thing I think is that scum will be hiding in the bandwagon of votes, since it's an easy place to look. We can start there.
Pros: Reveals existence of Vig (to town), possibly. Prevents scum from hiding in Day 1 vote. Discussion moves beyond an obvious slip into more analysis.
Cons: Reveals existence of Vig (to scum), possibly. Further discussion could force Town to claim or result in mislynch. Discussion of this proposal has potential to derail both Today and Tomorrow. Cabal power helps them for one Night (unlikely, and I'm guessing unlikely to hurt Town).
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Sept 4, 2009 21:51:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 21:51:56 GMT -5
Pede made a long post. He really didn't mention you too much except having you as an target of my potential scum tactic. And to say he doesn't mind minimal fluff in a game post. I think it was obvious that he was posting as he caught up. BY the end, he'd changed his mind about me, but he wanted his thought process on the record. FTR, I didn't really change my mind about you. I still think you're mildly scummy. However, I thought storyteller was scummy enough that it was worth it to take my vote off of you to emphasize my vote on him. Like, if we were doing Bordacount, it would have been: 1. Boozy 2. Ed 3. Storyteller and then after Meeko's case: 1.Storyteller 2. Boozy 3. Ed if that makes any sense. It makes perfect sense. OK, you didn't change your mind about me. You changed your mind about voting for me to be specific.
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