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Sept 4, 2009 21:53:15 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 21:53:15 GMT -5
Before we send Dio off to the gallows, I have a proposal: Would it be better to let the Vig (if they exist) take him out tonight? There's almost no way Boozahol is Town, so the remorse of the Vig wouldn't set in. Nobody's going to keep him alive (barring a very lucky block). If for some reason he's alive tomorrow morning, we kill him. Personally, I think we might be better off trying to look at other people than simply take out the obvious target. Granted, I can't say there's a more obvious person right now. One thing I think is that scum will be hiding in the bandwagon of votes, since it's an easy place to look. We can start there. Pros: Reveals existence of Vig (to town), possibly. Prevents scum from hiding in Day 1 vote. Discussion moves beyond an obvious slip into more analysis. Cons: Reveals existence of Vig (to scum), possibly. Further discussion could force Town to claim or result in mislynch. Discussion of this proposal has potential to derail both Today and Tomorrow. Cabal power helps them for one Night (unlikely, and I'm guessing unlikely to hurt Town). What if a Cabal or other Scum has a redirect power? They can redirect the Vig to someone who might be Town (and isn't Boozy in any case) and maybe cause us to lose the Vig.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:02:18 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 22:02:18 GMT -5
And I know that sometimes, scum are specifically encouraged (by other scum) to poke Meeko so he grows more distracting. huh? care to share? I don't think we should have the discussion. I think it will be a HUGE distraction, resulting in a ton of mass without acutally informing us of anything, even assuming everyone tells the truth. The chance that we nab someone based off of it is weighed equally with the possiblity of mislynching based on the discussion. [/color] That looks incredibly scummy. Look at the juxtaposition! 'I got a specific role, but I'm not going to say what it is. [/quote] so let's not discuss preferences/lack thereof because of "...the possibility of mislynching...." whoops, i mean let's use it as a reason to vote for someone. Yeah see, this is a problem. If our votes are worth so little, it weakens the town. agreed. multi votes, to me, are not town motivated.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:09:06 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 22:09:06 GMT -5
And I know that sometimes, scum are specifically encouraged (by other scum) to poke Meeko so he grows more distracting. huh? care to share? NO First of all, there's a difference between information shared in a systematic reveal (i.e. mass claim) and information spontaneously given without prompt (i.e. non-lynch based, non-mass claiming). Analyzing the two requires two different sets of assumptions. What might be townie in one situation could be scummy in the other. Secondly, I'm not voting Storyteller because he said he got what he asked for. That would be stupid, and the exact sort of thing I was worried about in the first place. I'm voting for him because of the juxtaposition of his spontaneous non-reveal of his role request, and his random observation of the game. Those two things, when placed next to each other, look like an obvious bid for town cred from a scum.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:15:51 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 22:15:51 GMT -5
One thing I think is that scum will be hiding in the bandwagon of votes, since it's an easy place to look. We can start there. <snipped> seeing that you are one of three folks currently not voting for squiddy i find this either rather disingenuous or absolutely hilarious.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:28:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 4, 2009 22:28:35 GMT -5
Those two things, when placed next to each other, look like an obvious bid for town cred from a scum. <snipped> i guess i just don't have the same level of confidence as you do in making that connection. now could he be scum? certainly. i just haven't seen anything that leads me to that conclusion at this point. and this is certainly no stinking snuggle since story makes me nervous as all hell just in general.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:46:03 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 22:46:03 GMT -5
And yet, you've made it seem as if the post was really about you. Or, to make my point clear: Where did pede bait you? Rares or commons? Or super-rares? What do you think of the super-rares, anyway? I FAIL F A I L to see how you do not see this Ed. Why are you out against me, in every single instance? Can you not comprehend that perhaps, you are wrong, and I am right? Talking about making things center around me, perhaps, just perhaps some time, I might be right. Same for you Pede. I FAIL to understand how you don't see that you just baited me here. But then again, I can't talk about my Avatar, but its perfectly fine to talk about the old TV show Cannon.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:52:44 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 22:52:44 GMT -5
And yet, you've made it seem as if the post was really about you. Or, to make my point clear: Where did pede bait you? I FAIL F A I L to see how you do not see this Ed. Why are you out against me, in every single instance? Can you not comprehend that perhaps, you are wrong, and I am right? Talking about making things center around me, perhaps, just perhaps some time, I might be right. Same for you Pede. I FAIL to understand how you don't see that you just baited me here. But then again, I can't talk about my Avatar, but its perfectly fine to talk about the old TV show Cannon. Ah, I see what you mean. My stance is this: I have no problem with a reasonable amount of fluff in the day threads. As long as there's only a few fluff posts per page, I don't mind. I wasn't trying to bait you, I was just genuinely curious. Now, if I had taken the hardline "no fluff in a Day thread" stance--or even if I thought you would be lynched for fluffing--then yes, I would be baiting you. But at this point, I have no reason to believe that your response would generate negativity, and thus, it is not baiting.
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Sept 4, 2009 22:56:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 4, 2009 22:56:16 GMT -5
And yet, you've made it seem as if the post was really about you. Or, to make my point clear: Where did pede bait you? I FAIL F A I L to see how you do not see this Ed. Why are you out against me, in every single instance? Can you not comprehend that perhaps, you are wrong, and I am right? Talking about making things center around me, perhaps, just perhaps some time, I might be right. Same for you Pede. I FAIL to understand how you don't see that you just baited me here. But then again, I can't talk about my Avatar, but its perfectly fine to talk about the old TV show Cannon. No, Meeko. The point was this. There was a tiny bit about your fluff.
There was a lot about the actual game.And yet your reply was that pede was baiting you. Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. That was the meat of his post. You ignored that and assumed that he was baiting you. That post wasn't about you. Yet you seem to have tried to make the post all about you. I promise not to be a distraction, so this will be my last post trying to explain this to you. Either you get it or you don't. And if you don't, maybe someone else can explain it better than I can. But, I will accept that maybe I'm wrong. If others think pede's post was trying to bait Meeko into posting about whatever the hell he and pede were talking about, please let me know
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Sept 4, 2009 23:08:25 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 23:08:25 GMT -5
No, Meeko. The point was this. There was a tiny bit about your fluff.
There was a lot about the actual game.And yet your reply was that pede was baiting you. Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. That was the meat of his post. You ignored that and assumed that he was baiting you. That post wasn't about you. Yet you seem to have tried to make the post all about you. I promise not to be a distraction, so this will be my last post trying to explain this to you. Either you get it or you don't. And if you don't, maybe someone else can explain it better than I can. But, I will accept that maybe I'm wrong. If others think pede's post was trying to bait Meeko into posting about whatever the hell he and pede were talking about, please let me know To anticipate : A GPS sport in which you use co-ordinates to seek out and find caches and log books in which you sign your name and take and leave trade Items. My User name over there is Magic Meeko, and I leave Magic Cards in the caches I find. Rares or commons? Or super-rares? What do you think of the super-rares, anyway? Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. NO.
He was not. You are Wrong.
Shut Up.
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Sept 4, 2009 23:11:50 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 23:11:50 GMT -5
And you know Ed, on second thought you totally snipped up my quote fest left right and center.
I totally had the context of my response in there, where Pede mentions Card Rarity.
Yet you smudge me.
Vote Ed
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Sept 4, 2009 23:13:47 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 23:13:47 GMT -5
No, Meeko. The point was this. There was a tiny bit about your fluff.
There was a lot about the actual game.And yet your reply was that pede was baiting you. Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. That was the meat of his post. You ignored that and assumed that he was baiting you. That post wasn't about you. Yet you seem to have tried to make the post all about you. I promise not to be a distraction, so this will be my last post trying to explain this to you. Either you get it or you don't. And if you don't, maybe someone else can explain it better than I can. But, I will accept that maybe I'm wrong. If others think pede's post was trying to bait Meeko into posting about whatever the hell he and pede were talking about, please let me know Rares or commons? Or super-rares? What do you think of the super-rares, anyway? Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. NO.
He was not. You are Wrong.
Shut Up.Yes, but did you happen to read the post directly after that one?
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Sept 4, 2009 23:14:16 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 23:14:16 GMT -5
Pede was commenting on the game. He was commenting on my play, boozy's play, and storyteller's play. NO.
He was not. You are Wrong.
Shut Up.Yes, but did you happen to read the post directly after that one?Actually, it's more like five posts away, but whatever. My next post after that one.
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Sept 4, 2009 23:21:47 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 23:21:47 GMT -5
Pede. I am going to go ahead and guess, from context, that you mean the long post you made, with various votes, including voting for, and then unvoting ed.
Yes. I read that.
I mention it in my post where I vote you.
I did not anticipate that someone would write a post as they went.
I most certainly did not anticipate that you would leave a complete vote / unvote cycle in your post.
I would have totally cut out my entire case on Ed if I were making the case you made there. You guys get on me for being distracting, a Vote / Unvote cycle,in the same post, is not that far away from distraction.
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Sept 4, 2009 23:26:12 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 4, 2009 23:26:12 GMT -5
I most certainly did not anticipate that you would leave a complete vote / unvote cycle in your post. I would have totally cut out my entire case on Ed if I were making the case you made there. You guys get on me for being distracting, a Vote / Unvote cycle, in the same post, is not that far away from distraction. It's a stylistic flourish, more than anything, and perhaps comes off as a bit trite. But I did it to establish that, even though I'm not currently voting for Ed, I still find him somewhat suspicious.
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Sept 4, 2009 23:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2009 23:27:05 GMT -5
I never said that your longer post baited me.
I said that the post on MTG card rarity baited me. I even threw in the answer, by stating that you would NOT get the answer if you kept baiting me.
Where is the confusion here?
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Sept 4, 2009 23:48:37 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 4, 2009 23:48:37 GMT -5
Ahem:
I'm going to Unvote Boozahol
Here's the thing. If you lump all the anti-town together vs town, town's in the minority. A lot has been made of this, but the implication hasn't seemed to sink in.
It's simply this, we're more likely than not to hit an anti-town power, and we need to maneuver the anti-town players into fighting each other over the town.
Also both of the other anti-town groups have more reason to want boozy dead than the town does at the moment.
I've been waiting to say this until we had all these lovely data points.
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Sept 5, 2009 0:08:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 5, 2009 0:08:04 GMT -5
Ahem: I'm going to Unvote BoozaholHere's the thing. If you lump all the anti-town together vs town, town's in the minority. A lot has been made of this, but the implication hasn't seemed to sink in. It's simply this, we're more likely than not to hit an anti-town power, and we need to maneuver the anti-town players into fighting each other over the town. Also both of the other anti-town groups have more reason to want boozy dead than the town does at the moment. I've been waiting to say this until we had all these lovely data points. So you think we should leave boozy for the other anti-Town factions? How is that impacted by the voting so far? Do you think that most of our non-Town and non-Cabal voters are inn that mix? Or did you just want off the bandwagon once it seemed to have gained critical mass?
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Sept 5, 2009 0:42:52 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 5, 2009 0:42:52 GMT -5
I don't know how lovely a list of all but 4 players is, and then there's the whole potential convenience factor of who those 4 players might be, and their potential relationship to you, Blockey, but I'm willing to try and dress it up a bit by superimposing some other data:
Special Ed 30 Meeko 28 julie 16 peekercpa 14 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 13 paulwhodisappearedbutisbacknow 13 Boozahol Squid, P.I. 12 Sister Coyote 12 Mister Blockey 11 hockeyguy8435 11 pedescribe 10 bufftabby 8 Idle Thoughts 6 Natlaw 5 NAF1138 5 Kat! 4 Death By Irony 4 Merestil Haye 4 CatInASuit 4 BillMc 3 FlyingCowOfDoom 3 storyteller 3 Parzival 2 Nanook 2 PrecambrianMollusc 2
Precambrian, Parzival, and Nanook all seem to have decided to hang out with us pretty much only long enough to vote for Pollux. Now I know that Storyteller's view is that the Town will want to try and hide in this game, so maybe lynch-the-lurker carries an even nastier potential risk to backfire and take out Town...and I know that it is a game designed to have us think ourselves in circles. But suggesting to leave a confessed Cabal alive and suggesting that you think you might have caught some scum in a bag holding 84% of the players is kinda counter-intuitive and arguably not very productive. So how do you propose we start trying to peel this 21 layer onion?
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Sept 5, 2009 2:32:10 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 5, 2009 2:32:10 GMT -5
Ahem: I'm going to Unvote BoozaholThanks, Blockey. It's good to know that other Cabalists, at least, have my back. You'll blend better into the background, though, if you just vote for me.
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Sept 5, 2009 2:48:27 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 5, 2009 2:48:27 GMT -5
Actually it's the order of the votes. If you hadn't noticed the list is in order with reply number listed next to it.
That's why I wanted more data points.
The only people with no motivation for this lynch are the cabal, but I'm not going to assume they're stupid.
I'm too tired to analyze the order at the moment, but my gut reactions is that there's going to be a higher than average number of anti-town players in the middle of this, and that the cabal votes will have come as the inevitability of the lynch increased.
I'm most suspicious of the votes occurring almost immediately after the confession and offer: PCM, BillMC, CatInASuit, and FCOD The last thing the Undead or the Werewolves want is an alliance, no matter how temporary, between the town and cabal.
In the end I'm fine with killing Boozy, as much as I am anyone who isn't town, but I can't ignore opportunity.
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Sept 5, 2009 5:08:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 5, 2009 5:08:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Blockey. It's good to know that other Cabalists, at least, have my back. You'll blend better into the background, though, if you just vote for me. and here i was all worried and shit that with a slip, a claim, and a weekend (a long one to boot) that it might get quiet and stuff in here.
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Sept 5, 2009 5:36:26 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 5, 2009 5:36:26 GMT -5
Kat! 4 Death By Irony 4 Merestil Haye 4 CatInASuit 4 BillMc 3 FlyingCowOfDoom 3 storyteller 3 Parzival 2 Nanook 2 PrecambrianMollusc 2
i stole the post count from cookies' post.
the three folks that haven't voted squiddy (you missed dbi so actually it should be 88 rather than 84) are all on this list.
what does it mean?
not shit, methinks.
and what do we do with squiddy? coming fresh off of undying war i thought maybe we could work things out and find a different path. well, apparently that was naive. so, for me, we either string him or ignore him and just put him in our pocket at this point.
what's totally odd is that i just don't see scummy squid making that type of mistake without some sort of pay off. however, i can see a scummy squid starting to monkey fling poo just to create confusion if in fact he did make that type of mistake. i just have no clue other than lynching the bastard or ignoring him completely how to leverage this to any type of town advantage.
so, yep, i am the road building foreman who when we run up against a river looks at it and goes: "that's a problem". then quickly retires to the office to let the rest of the group figure it out.
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Sept 5, 2009 5:40:11 GMT -5
Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 5, 2009 5:40:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the glass of wine there Boozy. I would say that the squid is just stirring the pot and I think I will happily ignore his comment regarding Blocky
Regarding my post count and Cookies somewhat disparaging comment I'd like to point out that I think I gave pretty good reasons for my vote. Cookies seams to imply (or maybe it's just the way I interpret it) that I just simply copy cat voted.
I must admit I am being quite conservative in my posting on this game, particularly day one as I have died on day or night one every game (bar one where I had to claim seer on day one) due to something I posted which was either scummy because I was scum, or stupid as I was town.
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Sept 5, 2009 5:59:29 GMT -5
Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 5, 2009 5:59:29 GMT -5
I was wondering if keeping boozy in the pocket was an option, however from his post he seamed to me to imply that their power would wane as they lost members. I would think killing Boozy would pile pressure on to Cabal as they are also at risk of loosing members through one of the night kills (I guess 3 - the wolves, the vig maybe and at probably at least one from the undead ). If they have a one shot power they may chose to blow it sooner in a non optimum way for them, which I am quite happy with.
I agree with Peeky that boozys slip just seamed too convenient, don't know what to make of it either.
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Sept 5, 2009 6:03:35 GMT -5
Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 5, 2009 6:03:35 GMT -5
Also both of the other anti-town groups have more reason to want boozy dead than the town does at the moment. At the risk of over snipping and taking out of context - why do you believe that other factions have more reason to have boozy dead?
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Sept 5, 2009 6:17:01 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 5, 2009 6:17:01 GMT -5
ok, this has been puzzling me for a while.
does anyone have a clue what in the hell those symbols are in my profile where everyone else's avatar shows up? i know that it is entered as personal text.
but i have no freaking clue or remembrance of how the hell they got there or if they are supposed to mean anything.
i mean i was all fucked up there towards the end. seriously, i hid a bottle of tequilla in the bag of dog food one night and probably would have totally forgotten about it if i hadn't been looking for my car keys the next morning. so really anything is possible.
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Sept 5, 2009 8:31:20 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 5, 2009 8:31:20 GMT -5
I never said that your longer post baited me. I said that the post on MTG card rarity baited me. I even threw in the answer, by stating that you would NOT get the answer if you kept baiting me. Where is the confusion here? I'm confused as to why you think I was baiting you in the first place. I have previously said (although I know you think my past statements are irrelevant) that I don't mind a bit o' fluff. I was just asking you a question, and here you are biting my head off. I know you keep getting attacked for no good reason, but you seem really, really touchy. Kat! 4 Death By Irony 4 Merestil Haye 4 CatInASuit 4 BillMc 3 FlyingCowOfDoom 3 storyteller 3 Parzival 2 Nanook 2 PrecambrianMollusc 2 i stole the post count from cookies' post. the three folks that haven't voted squiddy (you missed dbi so actually it should be 88 rather than 84) are all on this list. what does it mean? not shit, methinks. I suspect it means that those people haven't checked in since Boozy claimed Cabal. ok, this has been puzzling me for a while. does anyone have a clue what in the hell those symbols are in my profile where everyone else's avatar shows up? i know that it is entered as personal text. but i have no freaking clue or remembrance of how the hell they got there or if they are supposed to mean anything. i mean i was all fucked up there towards the end. seriously, i hid a bottle of tequilla in the bag of dog food one night and probably would have totally forgotten about it if i hadn't been looking for my car keys the next morning. so really anything is possible. They showed up after Idle closed the store. It was a text heavy hack, if memory serves, and it had the side effect of putting those symbols in.
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Sept 5, 2009 9:56:48 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 5, 2009 9:56:48 GMT -5
ok, this has been puzzling me for a while. does anyone have a clue what in the hell those symbols are in my profile where everyone else's avatar shows up? i know that it is entered as personal text. but i have no freaking clue or remembrance of how the hell they got there or if they are supposed to mean anything. i mean i was all fucked up there towards the end. seriously, i hid a bottle of tequilla in the bag of dog food one night and probably would have totally forgotten about it if i hadn't been looking for my car keys the next morning. so really anything is possible. LOL. It's a remnant from a "Shop" add-on we had on the board for a while. You can remove it if you want, since we aren't using the shop anymore. --FCOD
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Sept 5, 2009 9:57:46 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 5, 2009 9:57:46 GMT -5
actually two of the three (just not story) have been online since then and posted.
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Sept 5, 2009 10:05:03 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 5, 2009 10:05:03 GMT -5
ok, then.
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