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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:07:23 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jul 27, 2010 12:07:23 GMT -5
As for staying in the game, though...meh. I don't really care. I'm volunteering since it seems a hell of a lot better than scrambling around and possibly not having ANY lynch at all. I don't care what you say, ANY lynch is better than NO lynch. Lynches give people info...as I said before, wolves would just love to not have a lynch over and over and over and over, and I expect subtle ways they'll try to keep it being that way because then it keeps the Town in the dark. This is simply not true. No lynch is much better than lynching Town. Given a choice between no lynch and a dead townie, all non-town factions would take the dead townie. Fuck it. Unvote: Idle Thoughts Out of spite. We're now down to 12 and a no lynch.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:07:56 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:07:56 GMT -5
Okay, then..
I'm scum.
Vote for me.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:08:33 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jul 27, 2010 12:08:33 GMT -5
Again, I must restate that Conspiracy is VERY different from standard games. Town must get lucky from nightkills. The lynch, while important, is much less important than in standard games.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:09:46 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 12:09:46 GMT -5
If I'm reading the tealeaves right, then there is a scenario where Idle's play makes a some sense. It makes no sense at all. But it makes no sense for mafia, either.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:10:08 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:10:08 GMT -5
Okay, then.. I'm scum. Vote for me.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:11:14 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 12:11:14 GMT -5
Okay, then.. I'm scum. Vote for me. Oh really! Your role and all of your teammates, and your special power, please and thank you.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:12:33 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:12:33 GMT -5
Oh sure, yeah, I'm really going to answer that and betray all of my team. Uh huh. Right.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:16:48 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 27, 2010 12:16:48 GMT -5
I tend to agree that plural voting this early on is not really going to change much as there are many players still in and although you could say that multi voting is a slightly stronger action than FOS... Also to be voting 2 newbies just because you feel their play appears SCUMMY.... I haven't played here that much and am getting used to the sort of posts I can expect from some of the players.. but I HAD to learn that, that was the way they played and I'm sure you're all getting used to how I play so for that reason I'm going to VOTE MENTALGUYAlso with the mulit vote and the size of the game (I don;t think I've played in one much bigger) one Day one it's a good place for SCUM to do this and then however long down the road when possibly one of BILLMc SEPTIMUS or EUREKA to turn SCUM... MENTALGUY can pop up saying he told us so way back in Day one. We need 13 votes to lynch someone. If we all just vote for one player, it is very unlikely we have a lynch. As it stands now, the vote leader only has five votes. I certainly hope that at least one of the players I am voting for is not Town. I fully expect that I will be wrong on some of them. And if I feel the newbies play appears scummy why would I not vote for them. I haven't gotten use to the way you play because of the games I remember us both being in, you were scum in two of them and a Town bomb in the other. But this seems like a really poor vote to me. That coupled with what is apparently supposed to be a smear about voting newbies means I will Vote Moody Mitchy Well I'll accept you seeing my "leave the Newbies alone" plea as possibly being taken as a smear though it wasn't intended that way and in the light of recent information it appears I was right in the case of one of them... I haven't been back and checked my gaming history with you so I'll have to take what you said as being true... though I don't think (and no you haven't suggested it) that we can put SACHERTORTE's theory into practice on this one due to the fact that none of those were a conspiracy game.. I've never played one and I didn't ask for a role this time round . I prefer the suprise and have no particular leanings or preference to what alignment I might be given... As for IDLE THOUGHTS and his "kill me now" plea... I'm not going to buy into this one... I believe he has a list and I am on it but don't think he's bored with the game ... I'm bothered that there could be a condition that he has to meet and it could be to do with some sort of recruitment... according to the list the number of Cabel is apparently low.. again having not played in the previous ones I wouldn't know this... so is it not possible that his "death" would maybe allow them to "fastrack" a couple more peeps into their ranks or something else like that..
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:18:19 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 27, 2010 12:18:19 GMT -5
I mean...look at it this way...if no-lynching keeps happening, the wolves aren't going to die any other way other than being killed by Vamps. THERE IS NO VIG....so that puts Town at a huge disadvantage. So how are Wolves going to die if we're not killing them off in the Day? Because I seriously doubt they'll be killing themselves at Night. This is so illogical as applied to your present situation that I am beginning to think that you are, in fact, a Wolf, and are trying to create confusion. The question isn't about "if no-lynching keeps happening." It's about you, specifically you, and in your specific case - if you are Town or indeed if you are any kind of non-Wolf - the Wolves would certainly prefer your death to a no-lynch. Every non-Wolf death brings the Wolves closer to their endgame. Ah, screw it. Don't let me stop your great self-destruction. Die, if you want to. vote Idle Thoughts
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:18:47 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:18:47 GMT -5
People who support no lynch toDay, apparently: Storyteller Sach MoodyMitchy.
Gee, NPhase, it shouldn't be too hard to guess who my team mates are, LOL.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:19:23 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Jul 27, 2010 12:19:23 GMT -5
It's kinda nagging me that he has a secret power that needs him to die to use it - ubermiller. I won't be back until after day end so Vote: idle Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post but I don't think Idle is saying it's some requirement of his power (assuming that's what this is) that he has to die in order to use it. I think that what he's proposing is that he die so that his honesty can be confirmed (or not, as it were).
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:19:25 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 27, 2010 12:19:25 GMT -5
oh, and
Unvote: Bufftabby
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:19:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:19:44 GMT -5
Oops, take Storyteller off that list...he apparently wants a lynch now.
GEEZ, make up your mind already!
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:21:11 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Jul 27, 2010 12:21:11 GMT -5
But why is knowing Idle's role important? What benefit does it give Town? What benefit does it confer above and beyond knowing his alignment? More importantly, what benefit does it give scum? I based a large portion of my play as Coroner in C1 on this distinction. Well, for one, it would finally lay to rest the "Is Idle's list true or not?" I've said it before and I'll say it again: Once it's found I'm Town and, consequently, that my list is TRUE (and not changed in any way by me), Real Town can then use it for the rest of the game...it makes claims of extra false roles all of extinct! Nobody can claim Vig, because there is no Vig. Nobody can say they were raised by a Witchdoctor, because there is no Witchdoctor. Nobody can claim redirect by Magician or Warlock, because there aren't those roles. So what the hell are you on thinking that my role doesn't give Town any good info? It helps them out greatly, which is in my best interests since I want to win! As for staying in the game, though...meh. I don't really care. I'm volunteering since it seems a hell of a lot better than scrambling around and possibly not having ANY lynch at all. I don't care what you say, ANY lynch is better than NO lynch. Lynches give people info...as I said before, wolves would just love to not have a lynch over and over and over and over, and I expect subtle ways they'll try to keep it being that way because then it keeps the Town in the dark. So you are saying that knowing your role is important but that you still aren't going to tell us?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:21:21 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:21:21 GMT -5
I mean...look at it this way...if no-lynching keeps happening, the wolves aren't going to die any other way other than being killed by Vamps. THERE IS NO VIG....so that puts Town at a huge disadvantage. So how are Wolves going to die if we're not killing them off in the Day? Because I seriously doubt they'll be killing themselves at Night. This is so illogical as applied to your present situation that I am beginning to think that you are, in fact, a Wolf, and are trying to create confusion. The question isn't about "if no-lynching keeps happening." It's about you, specifically you, and in your specific case - if you are Town or indeed if you are any kind of non-Wolf - the Wolves would certainly prefer your death to a no-lynch. Every non-Wolf death brings the Wolves closer to their endgame. Ah, screw it. Don't let me stop your great self-destruction. Die, if you want to. vote Idle ThoughtsNo, it's your logic that makes no sense. If I'm lynched and if I'm found to be Town, then my list gets confirmed 100 percent. Then there goes the Wolves chances of hiding anywhere. Is this rocket science?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:23:03 GMT -5
Well, for one, it would finally lay to rest the "Is Idle's list true or not?" I've said it before and I'll say it again: Once it's found I'm Town and, consequently, that my list is TRUE (and not changed in any way by me), Real Town can then use it for the rest of the game...it makes claims of extra false roles all of extinct! Nobody can claim Vig, because there is no Vig. Nobody can say they were raised by a Witchdoctor, because there is no Witchdoctor. Nobody can claim redirect by Magician or Warlock, because there aren't those roles. So what the hell are you on thinking that my role doesn't give Town any good info? It helps them out greatly, which is in my best interests since I want to win! As for staying in the game, though...meh. I don't really care. I'm volunteering since it seems a hell of a lot better than scrambling around and possibly not having ANY lynch at all. I don't care what you say, ANY lynch is better than NO lynch. Lynches give people info...as I said before, wolves would just love to not have a lynch over and over and over and over, and I expect subtle ways they'll try to keep it being that way because then it keeps the Town in the dark. So you are saying that knowing your role is important but that you still aren't going to tell us? But you will know my role in due time, eventually. So I don't have to tell you since you'll be told it sometime in the future by the mod.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:25:10 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 27, 2010 12:25:10 GMT -5
If I'm lynched and if I'm found to be Town, then my list gets confirmed 100 percent. Then there goes the Wolves chances of hiding anywhere. (1) You are weirdly Wolf-focused. There are non-Wolf Scum factions, but the only Scum you seem to care about catching out are the Wolves. (2) They have every chance of "hiding anywhere." It's not like a Wolf (or any Scum) can't just false claim a role that's already on your list (especially any of the roles where there are multiple iterations).
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:26:43 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Jul 27, 2010 12:26:43 GMT -5
If I'm reading the tealeaves right, then there is a scenario where Idle's play makes a some sense. It makes no sense at all. But it makes no sense for mafia, either. Look at the role list. Can you see any roles that might come as an outside chance of playing it this way?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:29:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:29:44 GMT -5
If I'm lynched and if I'm found to be Town, then my list gets confirmed 100 percent. Then there goes the Wolves chances of hiding anywhere. (1) You are weirdly Wolf-focused. There are non-Wolf Scum factions, but the only Scum you seem to care about catching out are the Wolves. (2) They have every chance of "hiding anywhere." It's not like a Wolf (or any Scum) can't just false claim a role that's already on your list (especially any of the roles where there are multiple iterations). Sure, but this drastically reduces many roles to claim and many scenerios of death and circumstances (See my previous post about not being able to say raised by Witchdoctor, etc). Oh, I want to catch any scum, Wolf, Undead, Cabal. So you cannot convince me it wouldn't be for the best--in the long run--if actual Town knew, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the list is true. Now if you're really scum, maybe you don't want that being known. Is that the reason for your on again off again vote? I keep expecting you to unvote again, it's like watching a tennis match! Or maybe someone's not voting for me because they don't want a lynch to happen at all. Again, can't think of anyone who would want that unless they were scum...because it's in scums best interest to keep the list unverified as long as possible.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 27, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -5
It's kinda nagging me that he has a secret power that needs him to die to use it - ubermiller. I won't be back until after day end so Vote: idle Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post but I don't think Idle is saying it's some requirement of his power (assuming that's what this is) that he has to die in order to use it. I think that what he's proposing is that he die so that his honesty can be confirmed (or not, as it were). I think Bill's concern is more that Idle may -- for example -- be a Bomb; that he has a "special power" (other than his list) that he will be allowed to use if he is lynched and only if he is lynched.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:34:07 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 27, 2010 12:34:07 GMT -5
It makes no sense at all. But it makes no sense for mafia, either. Look at the role list. Can you see any roles that might come as an outside chance of playing it this way? Oooooh, good observation. Idle, if that's what you're doing here, color me impressed and my objections to your behavior entirely removed.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:35:43 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:35:43 GMT -5
Some of you are your own worst enemies when it comes to overanalyzing things.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:35:51 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 27, 2010 12:35:51 GMT -5
It makes no sense at all. But it makes no sense for mafia, either. Look at the role list. Can you see any roles that might come as an outside chance of playing it this way? ohhhhhhhhh... What an ideal secret power for the perfect power role.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:41:32 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jul 27, 2010 12:41:32 GMT -5
Well, for one, it would finally lay to rest the "Is Idle's list true or not?" ... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Once it's found I'm Town and, consequently, that my list is TRUE (and not changed in any way by me), Real Town can then use it for the rest of the game...I don't care what you say, ANY lynch is better than NO lynch. Lynches give people info... How is the lynch of a Townie better than no lynch at all? Especially since you're asking to be lynched, so votes agaisnt you are "free." I think many of us Townies already believe your list; if anyone continues to argue against it, that's a scum-tell to me. Counting Idle and bufftabby there are four semi-confirmed Townies already; can't they develop a growing "circle of confidence" (bufftabby will soon learn of more if he's a Mason, right?) It's probably too late in this Day for this "circle of confidence" to agree on a lynch candidate, but isn't No-lynch better than Idle suicide? Force the scum to waste an extra night-kill! I think Townies should Unvote Idle. I can't (I've not voted for him), but as a show of good faith with this "circle of confidence": Unvote: buftabby
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:43:50 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 27, 2010 12:43:50 GMT -5
People who support no lynch toDay, apparently: Storyteller Sach MoodyMitchy. Gee, NPhase, it shouldn't be too hard to guess who my team mates are, LOL. So as I choose not to vote for you due to my concerns regarding a "special condition/power" possibly recruitment that you might have... then I apparently want a "no lynch" . Well I'd love to see someone lynched toDay and if it's you then fair enough I guess that at least that way we can take your list and probably work with it.. VOTE IDLE THOUGHTS
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:44:12 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 12:44:12 GMT -5
It makes no sense at all. But it makes no sense for mafia, either. Look at the role list. Can you see any roles that might come as an outside chance of playing it this way? I see it now. vote: Idle Thoughts[/color]
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:45:39 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 27, 2010 12:45:39 GMT -5
rereads
Unvote Eureka
Vote Idle Thoughts
I seriously thought day was over two hours ago, but since it doesn't seem to be, let me fix a few things.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:47:05 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:47:05 GMT -5
It's probably too late in this Day for this "circle of confidence" to agree on a lynch candidate, but isn't No-lynch better than Idle suicide? Force the scum to waste an extra night-kill! I think Townies should Unvote Idle. I can't (I've not voted for him), but as a show of good faith with this "circle of confidence": That's exactly what scum would say. What's the matter, afraid, are you?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 12:56:15 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Jul 27, 2010 12:56:15 GMT -5
I think I see what's going on here but it seems the cat is out of the bag now because frankly, if I can figure it out, I'm pretty sure everyone else can.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2010 13:01:07 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Jul 27, 2010 13:01:07 GMT -5
How is the lynch of a Townie better than no lynch at all? Especially since you're asking to be lynched, so votes agaisnt you are "free." I think many of us Townies already believe your list; if anyone continues to argue against it, that's a scum-tell to me. Counting Idle and bufftabby there are four semi-confirmed Townies already; can't they develop a growing "circle of confidence" (bufftabby will soon learn of more if he's a Mason, right?) It's probably too late in this Day for this "circle of confidence" to agree on a lynch candidate, but isn't No-lynch better than Idle suicide? Force the scum to waste an extra night-kill! I think Townies should Unvote Idle. I can't (I've not voted for him), but as a show of good faith with this "circle of confidence": Unvote: buftabby A) Who is semi-confirmed in your mind? No one is to me. Idle may be when this Day is over, and I may be once I find some freemason brethren, but neither of us are now, and I'm confused as to who else you think is. B) Being semi-confirmable may be a good reason not to lynch me presently, but it's not a good reason to trust me. Trust no one. C) What people are getting at, is that Idle may be a Scotsman. It would explain his play, and (on a meta level), it seems like the sort of role he would request. D) I'm a girl. Buff is the color of one of my tabbies, not the state of my body.
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