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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 10:15:17 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2010 10:15:17 GMT -5
Hey, being an ancient and powerful Sumerian deity has its perks
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 10:20:03 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Sept 21, 2010 10:20:03 GMT -5
Boo! Sorry peeps didn't realize the party started without me... I'll be caughting up and seeing if I am still alive..
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 10:27:23 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 21, 2010 10:27:23 GMT -5
Jack Skellington : IIRC you said you Vigged scum on night 1 ? What is your total record as Vig, in grand total, across all games you have played? My grand total as Vig was townie on night 1. Seems I just negated your claim. Pretty good, I think. I've been a vig in a few games now and I've got the basic strategy down. If at all possible, hold your fire until Day 3 or 4, if you can't then go for nonparticipating players and lurkers or runners up to the lynch vote. These tactics will pretty much help town. And if you only have one bullet, for god's sake don't just randomly fire it! As for setting the claims aside, I recommend this specifically because I doubt one of the vigs will be with us Tomorrow morning. I'd like to let them duke it out and we'll analyze the crime scene in the morning. This gives us more of an opportunity to look at other players and on Day 3 we'll either have a possible lynch from the vig pile or from the other players pile. If we lynch a vig Today, then we have to spend Tomorrow doing all the work we could have done Today.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 10:28:02 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 21, 2010 10:28:02 GMT -5
Boo! Sorry peeps didn't realize the party started without me... I'll be caughting up and seeing if I am still alive.. Ooh, this is awkward.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 11:08:04 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Sept 21, 2010 11:08:04 GMT -5
hmm... the twilght fan girl goes down..... good thing because I almost hung myself being this character....
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 11:13:07 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 21, 2010 11:13:07 GMT -5
Boo! Sorry peeps didn't realize the party started without me... I'll be caughting up and seeing if I am still alive.. Ooh, this is awkward. Maybe he can sub???
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 11:53:01 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 21, 2010 11:53:01 GMT -5
Boo! Sorry peeps didn't realize the party started without me... I'll be caughting up and seeing if I am still alive.. :spoilers: Uh, we killed you. This is a very serious party.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 12:12:30 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 21, 2010 12:12:30 GMT -5
(OOC: Inner, your performance as vig in Disney Mafia on Giraffe is the source of my unholy love for the role. SOMEDAY, SOMEBODY WILL MAKE ME A VIG AGAIN. I've only been one once, fairly recently. I held my fire the first night I had the ability, and promptly got murdered. *sniff*)
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 12:20:05 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 21, 2010 12:20:05 GMT -5
(OOC: Inner, your performance as vig in Disney Mafia on Giraffe is the source of my unholy love for the role. SOMEDAY, SOMEBODY WILL MAKE ME A VIG AGAIN. I've only been one once, fairly recently. I held my fire the first night I had the ability, and promptly got murdered. *sniff*) :makes notes on next game I moderate:
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 12:22:12 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 21, 2010 12:22:12 GMT -5
Chitter chitter chitter ::ponders:: Chitter chitter...
Little Indian Girl: aMeeko is not sure where he stands on the issue of lynching a compulsory vig on principle.... In figuring out his stance he found himself asking himself some very interesting questions that I think would make a good discussion point... might not lead to much, but it's better than nothing.
1.How many townies would need to die at the hands of a compulsory vig before those of you supporting not lynching him would decide we need to lynch him?
2.What if, in an effort to balance out the kill to protection ratio, scum has two methods of killing... and Staypuft is scum claiming to be a compuslory vig to openly kill townies without suspicion? Ballsy, yes.... but more dangerous gambits have been played.
3.What if he is a 3rd party SK.... openly stating he has to kill every Night lends him leeway in case there is a watcher role that sees him target someone who turns up dead in the Morning.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 12:51:21 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 21, 2010 12:51:21 GMT -5
1.How many townies would need to die at the hands of a compulsory vig before those of you supporting not lynching him would decide we need to lynch him? 2.What if, in an effort to balance out the kill to protection ratio, scum has two methods of killing... and Staypuft is scum claiming to be a compuslory vig to openly kill townies without suspicion? Ballsy, yes.... but more dangerous gambits have been played. 3.What if he is a 3rd party SK.... openly stating he has to kill every Night lends him leeway in case there is a watcher role that sees him target someone who turns up dead in the Morning. 1. Difficult to say. Keeping a vig is a gamble, but one that might pay off. I don't have a set number of townie deaths before I agree to kill the vigilante. 2. I'll be very impressed if they came up with this. I think it is unlikely, but then again, I didn't think of it. I guess anything I didn't think of myself seems genius and unlikely. I am hoping we have some kind of detective to check our compulsory vig. and that the "compulsory vig" isn't somehow immune to that detection. 3. Wouldn't we have to have a detective that can determine true allegiance for this to be fair? Wouldn't a 3rd Party SK consider this before openly claiming?
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 13:18:51 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 21, 2010 13:18:51 GMT -5
Why would you want an investigator to investigate Puft when there is a second claimed vigilante who claims he already tried to kill him?
As for the idea to let the claimed vigilante duel it out (although Puft would be unlikely to kill ed based on his current statements), I don't think it too bad idea unless both are town which I agree is a possibility.
If Puft not-town and Rajesh is (barring other interference), it would be Puft dead and Puft killing someone else, probably town. If Puft town and Rajesh not-town, it would be Puft dead and us have to decide whether to lynch Rajesh tomorrow (on the basis of there can only be one vigilante). If both not town (not that likely but if true one very likely SK) then it's probably one extra town kill next Night.
Of course there will most likely be interference but overal I think letting it play out for now might be the best.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 13:35:13 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 21, 2010 13:35:13 GMT -5
I could have stayed quiet and tried again toNight, but I felt lynching him might be the best course of action. It's quite possible that he is a NightKill immune Serial Killer (is that plausible? Trying to NK him triggers an AllBlock?) I can see the mass-block-if-targeted given to an SK to make him resistant to being killed, but still it is most likely to be one shot. Some pure speculation: perhaps you claimed because even though blocked you next kill attempt isn't guaranteed anymore so you want a more save lynch. But you didn't claim that (and I don't see why a town vigilante would keep that hidden) so just my speculation.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 13:58:14 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 21, 2010 13:58:14 GMT -5
1. Sorry to see Twilight Fangril mislynched, but in the end it's not so painful, particularly given the no-death Night we just experienced. If he wasn't going to play, he was going to have to be removed sooner or later, particularly in advance of the endgame. Further, he had a power that could, if he decided to pop in and use it, have ended up in the death of an active player (potentially even a power role). In the end, it's about as good as a mislynch gets. Except, of course, that the actual value of the votes for Twilight Fangirl as Scum-hunting clues is blunted. Ah, well. He could however also have protected someone who was target with his own. The reason is switched my vote away to at the end of the Day was because there were already clues in the Puft/Pust race. And if either of them turns up scum, then there could be clues in those shifting votes to Twilight Towngirl as well. I don't think you have posted it yet and I agree it will be interesting once more alignments of those involved. But those aren't known yet so I have to agree with Iskaral here that you seems to casting suspicion on him for no particular reason besides not claiming fast (or for not making a claim scum would make on Day One if in danger?). Also the 'The Town as a whole backed away' phrase is dodgy - 9 switched away to Fangirl out of 25 (or 9 out of 21 if you ignore the no voters) is hardly the whole of Town. Or take the similar sized group (8) who stayed on Puft - they weren't backing away. You mentioned the whole thing also on Day One ( quoted here by Iskaral). You included the disclaimer then that no aligments are yet known, but nothing changed Today so what new is there to examine now? Vote Homicidal Maniac for now.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:02:02 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 21, 2010 14:02:02 GMT -5
-+-Rerunning Grammar routine on first paragraph-+- -+-Note to self: rerun on preview, not after post
He could also have protected someone who was targeted with his own life (escpecially if his power wasn't known). The reason I switched my vote away to Twilight Fangirl only at the end of the Day was because there were already clues in the Puft/Pust race so not a whole Day would be lost with just a lurker lynch wagon. And if either of them turns up scum then there could be clues in those shifting votes to Twilight Towngirl.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:06:55 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2010 14:06:55 GMT -5
I'm all for the "letting it play itself out" approach (for obvious reasons).
Here's how I see it going. I assume that Raj will target me again. Unless someone blocks him, I'm dead by Dawn in any case. And since raj has been very clear that his case against me is solely based on the fact that I am a Compulsive Vig, and not because I might be anti-Town, my death gives you no information about him.
So the question comes down to this:
Let me live Today, give me a shot at taking out Scum tonight, and let Raj use his one guaranteed kill on me tonight.
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Kill me today, this assuring I can't kill Town Tonight, and let Raj target someone else, or hold his fire until he has a better target.
Either way, I'm pulling my money out of my 401k now.
Before the end of Day, I will reveal who my target was last night and my reasoning behind my choice. But I'd like to hear a bit more discussion from the rest of the Town about who is pinging various people's radar before I spill my guts. And hopefully we'll get a couple replacement players in who can add something to the discussion.
My fear at this point is that Day 3 is going to start with at least 2 more dead Townies (me and whomever the Scum target), and still nobody is going to have the slightest clue who the Bad Guys are, because all of the discussion is centered around "should we kill the Vig?" instead of "how do we find the Scum?"
And with that, I think I'll go and explore that avenue, and see if I can perhaps find someone who is steering the conversation away from scum-hunting.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:13:49 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2010 14:13:49 GMT -5
Some pure speculation: perhaps you claimed because even though blocked you next kill attempt isn't guaranteed anymore so you want a more save lynch. But you didn't claim that (and I don't see why a town vigilante would keep that hidden) so just my speculation. You know, that raises a good question...since Raj's first kill attempt was blocked, did it actually happen? Mister Blockey's post at the beginning of the Day said "Everyone who'd attempted to do anything all night long found themselves trapped and unable to even get started. " I assume that means that Raj never actually attempted a kill, so his "first shot guarantee" would still be in force, but I could be wrong. I suppose we could ask our mods, but I have a feeling the odds of getting an answer to that particular question are about as good as my chances of being named "Player most likely to live until the end of the game".
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:19:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 21, 2010 14:19:04 GMT -5
Some pure speculation: perhaps you claimed because even though blocked you next kill attempt isn't guaranteed anymore so you want a more save lynch. But you didn't claim that (and I don't see why a town vigilante would keep that hidden) so just my speculation. I assume I would know if that were the case, and I have nothing that leads me to believe it. I got no PM indicating that I tried to use my contraption, and it's the reliability of my contraption that's in question causing the dimishing returns.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:22:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 21, 2010 14:22:31 GMT -5
I'm all for the "letting it play itself out" approach (for obvious reasons). Here's how I see it going. I assume that Raj will target me again. due to the possibility of redirectors and roleblockers and the wifom contained therein, it's not a given that I will target you toNight.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 14:49:48 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2010 14:49:48 GMT -5
I'm all for the "letting it play itself out" approach (for obvious reasons). Here's how I see it going. I assume that Raj will target me again. due to the possibility of redirectors and roleblockers and the wifom contained therein, it's not a given that I will target you toNight. Why not? What has changed between last Night, and Tonight? The same redirectors, roleblockers, and other players are still in the game now. Unless we lynch someone Today that has one of those powers, the situation will be the same as it was last Night. Given that you have made no real attempt (publicly, at least) at finding Scum, I assumed your mind was made up.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:10:30 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 21, 2010 15:10:30 GMT -5
due to the possibility of redirectors and roleblockers and the wifom contained therein, it's not a given that I will target you toNight. Why not? What has changed between last Night, and Tonight? The same redirectors, roleblockers, and other players are still in the game now. Unless we lynch someone Today that has one of those powers, the situation will be the same as it was last Night. Given that you have made no real attempt (publicly, at least) at finding Scum, I assumed your mind was made up. What's changed is that they know my role and they know you are a potential target. So, basically, from their point of view, everything has changed
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:12:11 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2010 15:12:11 GMT -5
if everyone were to claim, what claim would be the insta-lynch? Apparently it is not going to be a Vig. -- What role is worse? I'd say insta-lynch would be scum, SK, mad bomber - that kind of roles. You know the not-Town-roles. I'm a bit confused by your question? Are you actually now saying that not only would you like to kill a Town vig based on the role (and not caring about the alignment) but that you would also lynch other townies, if their "powers" didn't match what you'd consider pro-town??? :: Scratches his head, and in a moment, becomes just as confused as Galadriel ::: but that you would also lynch other townies, if their "powers" didn't match what you'd consider pro-town??? Up and until the point we can confirm* scum. Has a town-vig ever been known to take out two or more town in a single night? [To be clear, the vig him/herself is not included in this count nor is any "gotcha" abillity - that is a bomb or triggered role] * Which we both know would be a rare occurrence, outside of a Death Reveal or another Mod interaction. Hence, I am using confirm to approximate confirmation, as much as Town, or rather Town-aligned players can get it. That being said, we are at day 1 and a half, and we are down a townie for the game. Short of Scum slipping on PIS, or better**, I would add my vote to a killing role. Again, from the expediency angle, to say nothing of the time angle [duration of the game entire]. To be clear, my stance on voting a Vig, regardless of alignment does change the closer we get to endgame. But, as someone else else has said, the risk is too great to get there. ** Scum directly claiming scum. Hey, up-thread someone said it was done, right?
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:24:10 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Sept 21, 2010 15:24:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I'm subbing into the game. I have a lot to catch up on so I will just make my face known and zip off to get reading. Could someone sort out a drink?
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:25:07 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 21, 2010 15:25:07 GMT -5
*The screen flashes a bright, eyecatching red.*
Ladies and gentlemen, we hope you are enjoying the party.
Sadly, pressing business has summoned Mr. Joe Bauers from our midst. However, his place is being taken by Countess Elizabeth Bathory.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:39:11 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 21, 2010 15:39:11 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I'm sure you all know what it's like when work fucks you over.
--FCOD
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 15:39:33 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 21, 2010 15:39:33 GMT -5
Howdy Elizabeth. I am not scared of you on account of I am only bones and have no blood. So Nyaah.
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 16:12:46 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Sept 21, 2010 16:12:46 GMT -5
There is no need to fear me Jack. I am content watching West Side Story while I languish in my prison walls. Though seeing as you do not eat, perhaps you could bring me up a plate to aid my sustenance?
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 16:29:40 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2010 16:29:40 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I'm subbing into the game. I have a lot to catch up on so I will just make my face known and zip off to get reading. Could someone sort out a drink? :: Pours some Brawndo ::
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 16:31:10 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 21, 2010 16:31:10 GMT -5
:::Drops a Toothpick Umbrella into the Brawndo ::
UPGRAYDD!!
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Day 2
Sept 21, 2010 16:34:54 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 21, 2010 16:34:54 GMT -5
Great, we already have two Vigilantes...and now we have a serial killer too!
Welcome Countess! Sorry we've run out of hot chocolate...
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