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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 5, 2007 13:44:06 GMT -5
It's fascinating to me that Roosh seems like he is going to get a pass. While Cookies is getting hung out to dry for much lesser offenses.
The fact that Cookies is scum and Roosh isn't is even more interesting. Was Roosh's slip too big to be scummy?
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 5, 2007 15:17:02 GMT -5
I think the logic falls through if you consider Roosh scum, then he would not have said those things. Also, did either CK or WTF vote for Roosh? If either is the case then Roosh can't simultaneously be scum and know that CK and WTF never voted for scum.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 5, 2007 16:16:21 GMT -5
I think the logic falls through if you consider Roosh scum, then he would not have said those things. Also, did either CK or WTF vote for Roosh? If either is the case then Roosh can't simultaneously be scum and know that CK and WTF never voted for scum. WTF did vote for Roosh. But, if you assume Roosh is scum then of course he would lie and say WTF and CK never voted for scum especially if they had voted for him. WTF and CK never voted for scum: WTF voted for Roosh: therefore, Roosh is not scum. Wow, how about that for circular reasoning.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 5, 2007 16:24:16 GMT -5
I guess this is another example of a slip that you would have to be scum to catch.
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Post by ui on Oct 5, 2007 22:49:27 GMT -5
The scum's almost guaranteed to lose this game, I think. They're teaming up to try and off a townie with at least 5 or 6 lynches ahead of them. They're linking themselves too much and they're running out of vanilla townies to hide behind.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 10:08:27 GMT -5
The scum's almost guaranteed to lose this game, I think. They're teaming up to try and off a townie with at least 5 or 6 lynches ahead of them. They're linking themselves too much and they're running out of vanilla townies to hide behind. I think their current gambit will keep either Cookies or drainbead alive until endgame without even being questioned. I wasn't sure where they were going today up until now, but this was a good play. They will lose 1 scum, but the other one will gain so much townie cred as to be nearly unlynchable.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 10:38:26 GMT -5
I also think that if one of them has to go down, it is better for Cookies to go then for Drainbead. Let's see if the other scum realize that Cookies' death could very well give them the game.
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Post by ui on Oct 8, 2007 10:48:53 GMT -5
I also think that if one of them has to go down, it is better for Cookies to go then for Drainbead. Let's see if the other scum realize that Cookies' death could very well give them the game. Yeah, I could see that but after the scum blocker claims their ability becomes essentially useless, as they can no longer block outed power roles. Storyteller must be thirsty. EDIT: I just read half of Cookie's claim post, and I would be voting for him SO HARD right about now. EDIT2: And drainbead just made a huge slip.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 12:46:37 GMT -5
Anyone else think that Cookies most recent post (Day 3 #240) is a signal to her fellow scum that she finally figured out who River is? So the Easter Bunny could be some sort of Inverse-Investigator? Thanks for clarifying, yet again. That whole episode seems to have been interpreted every way but correctly, and not just by me.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 8, 2007 13:12:03 GMT -5
Well, I thought Cookies and whoever else was looking for River should have figured it out on Day One when Hal blabbed about being visited in the night. But apparently I have too much info.
I wonder what town will make of the Cookies v Drain Bead thing. Town is very suspicious of Drain Bead, even if Cookies dies, I think the suspicion will still be there. And with what Idle Thoughts pulled in M5, I think they will consider Drain Bead a possible scum. The only thing is the NameClaim thing keeps getting in the way.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 8, 2007 17:20:30 GMT -5
Hey, I was looking for River and never twigged on Hal, doh! As a player you don't know he can hide only that Dio got fuzzy screens and someone else interacted with him. It never occurred to me that others could be looking for River too.
I think the slip that Cookies got to look for and possibly kill Mingo on night 1 is the one that will bring her down. "Oh yeah the mods gave me the go ahead because it was such a one off chance that I'd find him."
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 17:25:57 GMT -5
It may bring her down, but it's the truth. (If you sub River's name for Mingo's)
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Post by sinjin on Oct 8, 2007 18:16:54 GMT -5
Really? You actually gave Cookies the ok for a night kill on River on night one? May I be the first to say "Bastard MOD!"
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 18:18:37 GMT -5
I don't think so. The way I see it, it is a 99% investigative role. If she found River we put a contingency in place, but didn't want to take away from the investigative aspect of the role. To not do so would have put the scum a step behind the town which was not the goal of the head start.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 8, 2007 18:45:13 GMT -5
But if Cookies found River Night 1 did she kill her? Because if she did that left the town without a vig or an investigator on night two if we managed to find her. Color me confused.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 18:54:25 GMT -5
But if Cookies found River Night 1 did she kill her? Because if she did that left the town without a vig or an investigator on night two if we managed to find her. Color me confused. We would have treated it as a Day kill and killed Hal at the end of the Day. Would it have been ideal, no, but we figured it was better then robbing Cookies of her chance to narrow down the investigative pool.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 18:56:13 GMT -5
Also, the town has a vig and investigator of their own. The town has a lot of fire power actually. River is just bonus fire power. I think River could be killed at any point without it hurting the town. Besides Simon gets a 1 shot vig if River ever dies.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2007 18:59:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised that dotchan haven't noticed an important slip in Cookie's roleclaim: that she claims she was given THREE possible results (Person is X, Person is Not X and blocked/no result), when dot was given only two (Person is X or Person is Not X, with no mention of possible blocking). Maybe nesta'll see it. ;D
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Post by sinjin on Oct 8, 2007 19:11:33 GMT -5
NAF please put a after my Bastard MOD! statement. I'm kind of druggy after major mouth work today and meant to be funny not accusatory. My second post was for confirmation of what would have happened if Cookies had found River on Night one.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2007 20:32:55 GMT -5
What do you want from us? We're evil. EVIL!!
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Post by sinjin on Oct 8, 2007 20:50:51 GMT -5
What do you want from us? We're evil. EVIL!!Well yeah, that goes without saying doesn't it? Or should I mention Brandon fucking Shaw? I've taken the first hint and gone nowhere. I'm now leaning towards the Neuro-Sci guy.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 8, 2007 21:23:57 GMT -5
NAF please put a after my Bastard MOD! statement. I'm kind of druggy after major mouth work today and meant to be funny not accusatory. My second post was for confirmation of what would have happened if Cookies had found River on Night one. Sorry if I came off as a bit defensive. It wasn't my intention. I was REALLY bored at work today (I posted over 50 times to myself on the old cult boards, just to get to a new post level) and so I was just taking any opportunity to concentrate my thought on something that came along.
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Post by ui on Oct 8, 2007 23:42:14 GMT -5
This is a very dangerous territory to tread in, and it is extremely rare. Is that true here? I mean, I'm used to being inherently suspicious of a roleblocker because they're so commonly scum. It's a great way to deal with the claimed cop/hidden doc machine gun that just makes the game a battle of night actions.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Oct 8, 2007 23:58:27 GMT -5
I think their current gambit will keep either Cookies or drainbead alive until endgame without even being questioned. I wasn't sure where they were going today up until now, but this was a good play. They will lose 1 scum, but the other one will gain so much townie cred as to be nearly unlynchable. Is that necessairly the case though? It seems to me that people are so paranoid and drinking so much wine that someone appearing to gain so much townie cred actually makes them more suspect?
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 9, 2007 8:10:03 GMT -5
Is Kaylee one of the 'good' names? If so, I'm sort of surprised that scum are giving up Drain Bead so easily.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 9, 2007 8:33:39 GMT -5
Kaylee is the nicest person on the good ship Serenity. One of the few without any side issues.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 9, 2007 10:20:12 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You're role claim is Forrest Gump beause you've been improbably involved in every single one of the significant events which have occurred around you, somehow making them better for everyone(in the Town) along the way. I'll have to see how breakfast tomorrow turns out. If I end up at Milliways then you're in the clear, otherwise I think you've earned another vote here. I just wanted to post somewhere to say that this is my very favorite post from any of these games. Thanks Steven, I did indeed enjoy.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 9, 2007 12:52:37 GMT -5
Dang it. I was hoping that my fellow scum would hang with me and try to bus Cookies, for all the reasons you guys have already touched on. Still, I think my death gave Cookies and pygmy some much-needed townie cred. I was hoping that pygmy would be the one to hammer me after all was said and done. I also think my death will result in a Diomedes lynch tomorrow unless he comes up with something spectacular.
One thing you all don't know is that my claim was true except for the last day. I blocked Hal Briston, not Cookies. Cookies seriously weighed whether or not she should contradict my claim and ended up deciding she would. I wonder how things would have gone had she taken one for the team, so to speak.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 9, 2007 12:53:23 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You're role claim is Forrest Gump beause you've been improbably involved in every single one of the significant events which have occurred around you, somehow making them better for everyone(in the Town) along the way. I'll have to see how breakfast tomorrow turns out. If I end up at Milliways then you're in the clear, otherwise I think you've earned another vote here. I just wanted to post somewhere to say that this is my very favorite post from any of these games. Thanks Steven, I did indeed enjoy. And the ironic thing is that it's pretty much true.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 9, 2007 13:03:37 GMT -5
It is. The thing that I am finding so surprising this time around is that all the things people are having a hard time believing are almost always true. The things that people are having no trouble with, are almost always lies.
But I particularly liked the bit in MgtMan's post about having breakfast at Miliway's. Just struck me as funny. I might have to ask to use that as a sig in future mafia games.
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