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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2010 9:24:25 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To clarify: Both of the statements below cannot be true. And, Mahaloth, you're too good a player to not remember who you "investigated.") I investigated Eleanor. She was not a threat to Town, obviously. I was not redirected this time. I investigated Elizabeth, not Eleanor. I mixed them up when I saw the reveal. Still, I was not redirected.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2010 9:32:39 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Wait. I read that wrong!! I read that wrong!! Just now, I mixed up Elizabeth and Eleanor!!I investigated Elizabeth, not Eleanor. I mixed them up when I saw the reveal. Still, I was not redirected. Elizabeth Bathory is NOT a threat to Town.Sorry about that! SQUEEK! (How the hell could you have NOT been redirected and NOT known who you were going to get a result on?) SQUEEK. (vote: Zedd)SQUEEK! (I think Total is a viable target, too, but come on. You can't have NOT been redirected to Eleanor or NOT redirected to Elizabeth.) i read it as he just mis spoke the name of who he supposedly looked at. and i further read it that the person he actually targeted and who he got results are were the same, hence the non redirection conclusion.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2010 9:34:05 GMT -5
neta: not that the above observation makes me any less convinced that he is full of it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2010 9:43:47 GMT -5
i read it as he just mis spoke the name of who he supposedly looked at. and i further read it that the person he actually targeted and who he got results are were the same, hence the non redirection conclusion. SQUEEK. (I can see that. However, I just really find it unlikely to the point of implausibility that he wouldn't remember who he investigated in the first place. Based on his first post of the day, either he: a) investigated Elizabeth and thought he got back results on Eleanor -- and should have thought he was redirected; or b) investigated Eleanor and thought he got results back on Eleanor -- no redirection, but on re-reading should have realized he was redirected.)
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Post by sinjin on Oct 11, 2010 10:06:49 GMT -5
Dang.
Go team.
The wedding was wonderful.
spoilers please
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Post by severe delays on Oct 11, 2010 10:10:54 GMT -5
i read it as he just mis spoke the name of who he supposedly looked at. and i further read it that the person he actually targeted and who he got results are were the same, hence the non redirection conclusion. SQUEEK. (I can see that. However, I just really find it unlikely to the point of implausibility that he wouldn't remember who he investigated in the first place. Based on his first post of the day, either he: a) investigated Elizabeth and thought he got back results on Eleanor -- and should have thought he was redirected; or b) investigated Eleanor and thought he got results back on Eleanor -- no redirection, but on re-reading should have realized he was redirected.) I thought he was saying that he investigated me and got results back on me and therefore is happy that he did not get redirected. The Eleanor thing seemed to be a simple confusion between the two female names beginning with 'E'. Seemed. It could have been a genuine slipup or it could be scum trying to cause confusion. I'm still uncertain about Zedd's role and how his investigative powers work exactly. I think I need to go and reread Rorchach and see who he's been voting for and who voted for him. Given the colour I'm thinking that he's been kidnapped or arrested? What roles can do that?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2010 10:21:25 GMT -5
btw, just so we get this out there early.
dexter and eleanor were in the bat cave last Night.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 11, 2010 10:38:27 GMT -5
Guys, I misread "Eleanor" for "Elizabeth" in the opening Day color.
I did not investigate Eleanor.
I investigated Elizabeth. I received results for Elizabeth. Therefore, I was not redirected.
I'm embarrassed I made the mistake when the Day began, but that is all it is.
I'm sorry for the confusion; I thought I had explained my error.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 11, 2010 10:41:44 GMT -5
[ i read it as he just mis spoke the name of who he supposedly looked at. and i further read it that the person he actually targeted and who he got results are were the same, hence the non redirection conclusion. Misread, which lead to me misspeaking. And yes, my results came back for whom I investigated, so no redirection.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 11, 2010 10:43:48 GMT -5
Honestly, this whole Elizabeth/Eleanor debacle (hee) seems like nothing so much as opportunism to me. Zedd hasn't claimed to forget who he investigated; he made what amounts to a typo.
For those thinking it reflects some kind of wicked Scummy plan, what possible advantage could accrue to a player deliberately making a mistake like that?
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Post by septimus on Oct 11, 2010 10:58:36 GMT -5
It might be easy to think "Elizabeth" and write "Eleanor." But that's not what happened. One of these women claimed doctor and the death notice was for the "town Doctor." Zedd's post acknowledges this death with his "obviously." Surely he knew, when he chose his target, whether she was the one who'd claimed doctor or not. To suddenly mix them up would indeed be quite lame. Zedd's only defence to a previous scum accusation is that he isn't lame. His only defence to this one is that he is quite lame after all. His profanity, in response to a Town death, seems like over-acting. Posting a smudged easy-to-forge picture of a PM (after a delay, no less) was suspicious. Let's face facts. He's not being truthful. I won't vote for Zedd yet. There are other likely scum target(s) under discussion and we may have the delightful choice of which scum to lynch first!
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 11, 2010 10:59:39 GMT -5
Honestly, this whole Elizabeth/Eleanor debacle (hee) seems like nothing so much as opportunism to me. Zedd hasn't claimed to forget who he investigated; he made what amounts to a typo. For those thinking it reflects some kind of wicked Scummy plan, what possible advantage could accrue to a player deliberately making a mistake like that? If I saw it as a scum slip, which i'm not convinced of. It would be more of a scum not keeping his story straight. However, the idea that forgetting who you targetted two days ago, and making a simple mistake like that is a bona fide scum tell, is laughable to say the least. It's either a townie who got confused or a scummer who got confused. The idea that town or scum is more likely to make that kind of mistake is an indefensible position to hold. Also, Dexter, what were you doing in the batcave last night? It seems plainly obvious based on this morning's color, but I want to see what you have to say about it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2010 11:21:20 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I disagree about forgetting who you targeted. However...) SQUEEK! (Unvote Zedd)SQUEEK (Because this: ) Also, Dexter, what were you doing in the batcave last night? It seems plainly obvious based on this morning's color, but I want to see what you have to say about it. SQUEEK! (assuming we can trust the Masons, is a far more questionable activity.)
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 11, 2010 11:32:21 GMT -5
Zedd's only defence to a previous scum accusation is that he isn't lame. His only defence to this one is that he is quite lame after all. Pride came before the fall. :hangs head in shame:
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Post by Total Ullz on Oct 11, 2010 12:42:35 GMT -5
Honestly, this whole Elizabeth/Eleanor debacle (hee) seems like nothing so much as opportunism to me. Zedd hasn't claimed to forget who he investigated; he made what amounts to a typo. For those thinking it reflects some kind of wicked Scummy plan, what possible advantage could accrue to a player deliberately making a mistake like that? I agree with this. This entire game we have had people saying the names/roles add to the confusion. To make a mistake like this isn't IMO a slip - it looks more like a brain-fart. To those that think it's worth to lynch Zeed over this - what scum motivation do you see in this interaction?
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Post by Total Ullz on Oct 11, 2010 12:55:11 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I disagree about forgetting who you targeted. However...) SQUEEK! (Unvote Zedd)SQUEEK (Because this: ) Also, Dexter, what were you doing in the batcave last night? It seems plainly obvious based on this morning's color, but I want to see what you have to say about it. SQUEEK! (assuming we can trust the Masons, is a far more questionable activity.) This entire post rubs me the wrong way. You quick vote Zeed based on the typo he made (or claims he made, right?). Not anything to do with what else have been going on with him in this game - or did you just not bother to put together the entire case? So tell me why did you vote Zeed toDay? Also - why did you unvote? Do you think it was a typo? Not likely since you say "I disagree about forgetting who you targeted". Let's say that you truly believed in your Zeed-vote, then you would still be looking elsewhere - but you didn't. You unvoted Zeed. Why? You unvoted (still - as it looks to me - reserving the right to state that he tried to pretend he investigated Eleanor) and then asked Dexter a question. But - and this is what I'm getting at: You unvoted without removing your accusations AND seem to imply that you will change the vote (why else unvote) before your question have been answered. So what is it? Will you simply vote based on the tide or will you actually make a case, present it and stick by it? Vote: Sister Coyote
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2010 13:06:29 GMT -5
You unvoted (still - as it looks to me - reserving the right to state that he tried to pretend he investigated Eleanor) and then asked Dexter a question. But - and this is what I'm getting at: You unvoted without removing your accusations AND seem to imply that you will change the vote (why else unvote) before your question have been answered. So what is it? Will you simply vote based on the tide or will you actually make a case, present it and stick by it? SQUEEK? (Hey, Septimus, remember when I said Ulla and I almost always think the other's scum based on playstyle alone? Have a perfect example. This sort of quick unvote without a revote isn't unusual for me, but Ulla always sees it as Scummy.) SQUEEK. (I am still suspicious of Zedd. However, since I seem to be alone in thinking that his "slipup" was an actual slip up demonstrating that he is LYING, I also am willing to step away from him as a candidate. Although I HATE the fact that two people have said, effectively, "well, I can't see why Scum would do that, so Scum wouldn't do that.) SQUEEK. ( However, I am also more curious about Dexter's presence in the Batcave, assuming we can trust the Masons. I am also curious about the fact that no Masons have died yet. My first candidate for the day was going to be Elizabeth; you will note I am no longer voting her, but can we trust Zedd? I don't know. I don't have a feel one way or the other for Rorschach's play -- we know he was part of the Party at the Batcave, but we don't know if he was there taking care of Bats, or trying to Take Care of Bats.) SQUEEK. (I was very clear about why I was voting Zedd. I quick unvoted based on the fact that at least three people think I am applying malice in an action that is better interpreted as stupidity -- sorry, Zedd. If it were only one person, I wouldn't have unvoted; however, the weight of evidence would suggest I have my paranoid hat on and am not reading the facts correctly. I have never said I wouldn't change my mind if my facts were proven to be in error. They might not be proven to be in error at this point, but I'm unvoting until I've gone through a cooling-off period.) SQUEEK (I may very well vote for Dexter, but I'm willing to give him a chance to defend himself; Zedd has been defending himself for three days now.)
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 11, 2010 13:34:22 GMT -5
Day One: Maniac: George [8-325] Meeko: Eleanor [19-26], Marcel [68-119], Eleanor [194-221] Marcel: Eleanor [26-88], Stay Puft [230-291], Gir! [340], Death of Rats [437] Nakor: Corinthian [141-434] Rorschach: Rajesh [161-300] Stay Puft: Strangelove [233-391], Marcel [235], Nordom [289-383], Rorschach [311], Buddy Christ [315], Zedd [319-425], Rajesh [321], Dexter [375] Eleanor: Maniac [248-270], Iskaral [258-277], Death of Rats [265-267] Iskaral: Stay Puft [291-406], Rajesh [300-321], Skellington [308], Columbo [309-398], Nakor [313], Eleanor [415] Batman: Iskaral [320-396] Fangirl: George [325], (extra vote) [371], Nordom [383], Strangelove [391], Iskaral [396], Stay Puft [406], Columbo [410], Batman [414], Zedd [425], Corinthian [434] Joe/Elizabeth: Death of Rats [342-378] Death of Rats: Galadriel [369] Dexter: Columbo [398-410]
Not voting (3): Joe/Elizabeth, Fangirl, La Duquesa/Narrator
266: Eleanor claims doctor 323: Stay Puft claims compulsive vigilante 423: George claims mason
Day Two: Stay Puft: Rajesh [37-376], Death of Rats [39-241], Buddy Christ [45], Meeko [52-76], Marcel [77-162] Batman: Iskaral [50-319], Stay Puft [287-437], Zedd [347] Gir!: Eleanor [96-99] Maniac: Nordom [133-329], George [303-332], Iskaral [460] Marcel: Corinthian [160-250], Marcel [162-408], Meeko [168-237], Rorschach [171-420], Skellington [175-411], Zedd [346-347] Iskaral: Eleanor [187-359], Batman [281-536] Rajesh: Meeko [237-510], Strangelove [471-513] Corinthian: Columbo [251-450], Nakor [407-414], Skellington [411-444] Columbo: Corinthian [261-393], Maniac [299], George [332-502] Zedd: Gir! [265-354], Corinthian [393-511] Gir!: Galadriel [278-290], Eleanor [359-531] Death of Rats: Galadriel [290] Narrator: (extra vote) [295], Rajesh [479], George [502], Nordom [504], Stay Puft [506-530], Meeko [510], Corinthian [511], Strangelove [513], Eleanor [531], Marcel [535], Batman [536], Dexter [539], Elizabeth [541] Strangelove: Nordom [337-480], Rajesh [376-479], Stay Puft [464-485], Narrator [469-515] Elizabeth: Skellington [444], Nakor [526], Narrator [529], Stay Puft [530]
Not voting: Rorschach, Gir!
37: Rajesh claims vigilante with diminshing returns 183: Marcel claims single shot mass role block 289: Batman claims cop (later role + alignment) 347: Zedd claim investigator (either threat-to-town or powers) 413: Corinthian claims mason 450: Columbo claims role blocker 471: Strangelove claims mason 580: Maniac claims booster/inventor
Day Three: (Almost all vote Buddy Christ (extra vote on Meeko/Paul).
Day Four: George: Marcel [27] Zedd: George [37], Rajesh [53-275], Meeko [63-321], Iskaral [75-316] Maniac: Batman [85-189], Iskaral [324-327] Iskaral: Maniac [145-313] Gir!: Batman [189], Nordom [284], Rorschach [306], Maniac [313], Iskaral [316-324], Meeko [321], Iskaral [327], Elizabeth [331], Nakor [336], Rajesh [362], Strangelove [364], Zedd [366]. Dexter [369] Elizabeth: Rajesh [281-362], Death of Rats [287], Corinthian [288], Zedd [294-366], (extra vote) [317] Rorschach: Skellington [309], Gir! [350]
Not voting: Galadriel (jailed)
329: Gir! claim (Anti)Catalyst
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 11, 2010 13:40:07 GMT -5
Night One Marcel uses mass block Stay Puft targeted Batman
Night Two: No kills Eleanor is jailed (cannot take a Night action) Batman investigates Buddy Christ as Mafia Corruptor Maniac boosts Batman to be unblockable and unredirectable Zedd investigates Batman as no threat to town Columbo blocks Death of Rats Rajesh does nothing Stay Puft targets Dexter Gir! targets Corinthian The masons see the following people target Batman: Rorschach was there and he agrees Maniac was there and he agrees Stay Puft was there and he disagrees Gir! was there and she disagrees Galadriel was there and she disagrees Zedd says he was there and the masons disagree.
Night Three: Columbo dies Rajesh kills Stay Puft, weapon at 50% The masons see Rajesh and Columbo target Stay Puft Zedd targets Corinthian but investigates Skellington as not a thread Galadriel is jailed
Night Four: Eleanor is killed Zedd investigates Elizabeth as not a threat The masons see Eleanor and Dexter target Batman Batman is jailed Rorschach is being interrogated
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 11, 2010 14:06:24 GMT -5
Just so I can put this to rest: Gir!: No yes eleanor tthey hadnt said no Gir!: no no youre not very smart for a bat are you the maniacs a joat [Jack of all trades] or an inventor Long post by Elizabeth: Gir!: no youre not very smart for a countesss are you it was random that night no yes there are at least two more pfks Gir!: i said id answer when i got home it only takes thirty seconds to put up the dooms and id been looking forward to that since i read the pr at least one of the people i replied to is lying its the one i agreed with yesterday no yes cant do that (Not all answer seem to match questions, can't find a post where she agrees with someone)
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 11, 2010 14:17:00 GMT -5
In the mean while: looks like Dexter is our Jailer and the way he is jailing is definitely anti-town.
Vote Dexter Morgan
The Eleanor/Elizabeth mixup isn't a tell either way (if it was a honest mistake). The thing that nags me the most about about is the redirect: Zedd if Night Two was a mass kills only redirect the only other evidence is Zedd claim he was redirected. It also still implies Galadriel as a possible killer (that also goes for Rorschach and Maniac but they admitted to being there) but I think the Jailer is hurting us more at the moment (by preventing votes, partications and blocking investigations).
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2010 14:58:19 GMT -5
If Dexter is the jailer, it is possible that there is a protective aspect to the role. I don't think he's going to be able to avoid making a claim and I'd like to see what that claim is before deciding whether or not to vote for him.
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Post by special on Oct 11, 2010 15:51:10 GMT -5
The Eleanor/Elizabeth mixup isn't a tell either way (if it was a honest mistake). The thing that nags me the most about about is the redirect: Zedd if Night Two was a mass kills only redirect the only other evidence is Zedd claim he was redirected. It also still implies Galadriel as a possible killer (that also goes for Rorschach and Maniac but they admitted to being there) but I think the Jailer is hurting us more at the moment (by preventing votes, partications and blocking investigations). And for Maniac and Rorschach, they would have had to have been targeting Bill already, since they wouldn't have known if they were redirected or not before the Masons confirmed that they were there.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2010 16:17:16 GMT -5
i'm inclined to think that dexter is the jailer. and based on her choice of targets makes me think scum.
but let's see what she has to say for herself.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 11, 2010 16:35:55 GMT -5
[oog] Did the idlemafia.com domain name go dark for anyone else? I know that some people are only able to access those urls due to filtering. Is it time to break open the piggy banks to keep the hamsters in filter-free kibble?[/oog]
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Post by special on Oct 11, 2010 16:48:14 GMT -5
[oog] Did the idlemafia.com domain name go dark for anyone else? I know that some people are only able to access those urls due to filtering. Is it time to break open the piggy banks to keep the hamsters in filter-free kibble?[/oog] Yes, it's gone. Maybe Dexter put it in jail too. proboards is blocked for me at work, so I might not be around during the daytime anymore.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2010 16:59:24 GMT -5
it's kind of odd. i can access it through the computer's admin account but not my personal account.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 11, 2010 17:12:16 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious now that I'm the Town Jailer. I did NOT target Batman last night, I had to have been redirected to the Batcave. I know you are wondering why the hell I jailed the Doc. It was the result of misunderstanding my role, and the mods LEAVING OUT a key part of my power. I thought I had a choice to either protect or block with my jailing. Nope, it's both. I targetted Eleanor both night one and night two. Because of the mass block on night one I didn't find out about the other part of my role till the mods said Eleanor was in jail and couldn't speak or be voted for the whole Day at dawn of day three. I was so confused! I was like <urkel>Did I do that?</urkel> Yeah, they LEFT THAT PART OUT! I was a little ticked at that. I thought I was protecting the backup doc when in fact I was protecting, blocking, and removing them from the game for a whole cycle. Grrrrrrr. I'm sorry for that. I really thought I was doing a good thing protecting her. After that, I've been targetting who I suspect to not be playing in the town's best interest. Scum or PFK either one are fine with me. Total Galadriel was my target for night three. I don't really have a lot of time to do in depth analysis anymore and I pretty much rely on my gut feelings for stuff like this. She was getting some suspicion and I thought she was a good target. Last night, I tried to jail storyteller (basically for the same reason) and ended up jailing Batman. Whether I triggered the redirect by targetting him specifically or someone decided to redirect me specifically I have no idea. I'm sorry guys. :fail:
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 11, 2010 17:49:34 GMT -5
[oog] Did the idlemafia.com domain name go dark for anyone else? I know that some people are only able to access those urls due to filtering. Is it time to break open the piggy banks to keep the hamsters in filter-free kibble?[/oog] Yeah i got a redirect message for idlemafia.com. It looks like the site got the proboards upgrade too.
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Post by special on Oct 11, 2010 17:50:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, Dexter.
I don't believe you
Vote: Dexter
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