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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 13:39:54 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 7, 2010 13:39:54 GMT -5
Bah. Couldn't get onto the site since Sunday. Bah!
Also, Bah on mhaye, bah on Pleonast, and bah, a thousand times bah, on shoes.
That about covers it. More to come.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 13:40:54 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 7, 2010 13:40:54 GMT -5
Vote: Char I'm with Blockey on this one - explain yourself.
Absolute bummer about Mhaye.
I am claiming Town Mason
I'll have to leave it to the judgement of the other mason whether they wish to claim as unusually, we're masons that have no private means of communication. We only know of each other.
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Dec 7, 2010 14:03:13 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 14:03:13 GMT -5
Bah. Couldn't get onto the site since Sunday. Bah! Also, Bah on mhaye, bah on Pleonast, and bah, a thousand times bah, on shoes. That about covers it. More to come. Really? I don't particularly hate shoes myself, but I am very sorry for you that you hate them so much. It sucks to be a shoe hater.
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Dec 7, 2010 14:04:07 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Dec 7, 2010 14:04:07 GMT -5
If there are only 2 masons alive YOU MUST CLAIM. A solitary living mason is useless The point is moot now but this isn't necessarily true. If the masons can breadcrumb each other they wouldn't have to claim. Generally effective breadcrumbing like this requires off-board communication.
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Dec 7, 2010 14:08:34 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Dec 7, 2010 14:08:34 GMT -5
We should probably be a bit less cryptic for the benefit of the newer players. "Hating shoes" is a code around here for claiming to have information/a role/whatever that the moderator does not allow you to claim. Personally, I know nothing of shoes in this game.
The history, for those who are curious, once that once upon a time, Roosh was a doctor who protected against kills by the Shu faction in the Ancient China game. If a power role claimed in that game, they lost their power. Roosh tried to get around that by posting a long rant where he repeatedly said that he hated shoes.
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Dec 7, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -5
And frequently it get's one or both of the bread-crumbers killed. Most people are not good at bread-crumbing. But this goes back to my Day 1 point about my belief that transperant play is generally the best play for town. (Not always, nothing is always best, but generally). The risk is sometimes a bit higher but the reward is greater as well.
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Dec 7, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Dec 7, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -5
2) I don't want to see TL fall to the same sort of bad reasoning that we lost Pleo to. TexCat, TL hasn't voted on Day One in her last several games. You were just in a game with her where she did the exact same thing on Day 1 and was town. Her not voting isn't a tell, and it's a really bad vote. Be mad at her for continuing to sign up for games she can't play in (I am, it's fucking annoying*) but voting for her is dumb. Non-voting is generally not a tell, but I still would like to force people to vote. Char's vote with no reason was way better than no vote. I picked TL cause she seemed to be around and even posted that she didn't like the non-participators so much that she was going to make like peeker and vote a lurker. If Total has RL issues (and she did say something like that in the overnight thread), I will probably unvote later in the Day, and move onto another non-voter.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 16:15:55 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 7, 2010 16:15:55 GMT -5
Squick, I'm sure I know things that you don't- like what color boxers I'm wearing. But, if you're wondering if I know who the scum are or who killed MHaye, I can assure you I don't. I assume this is for me and I'm not sure if your typo is on purpose or not. There are a lot of possible explanations for what happened last Night and I think it's too early to make any assumptions. There are also a few possible explanations for your comment: you either are a scum who made a slip or a townie who is being shortsighted. I didn't think your post should have gone without comment. I'm not sure why are being so defensive about it. The typo was unintentionally intentional. I've been reading your name as mettalicsquick all game. So, Squick was what I intended to write - I just didn't know it was wrong. As for your post. What is short sighted about saying that we either don't have 3rd party killers or the 3rd party killers were blocked. What scenario did I miss? Generally PFKs and serial killers aren't going to choose to just not kill. It would not be in their best interest. I do regret typing vig instead of PFK, but I already clarified that. Here's what I don't get. You ask me if I know something that you don't. I answer that I don't know what I assume it is you are asking that I know. You call me out for being defensive. What did you expect me to do? Oh and Story? Really? ;D
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 16:23:59 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 7, 2010 16:23:59 GMT -5
Normally I'd agree, but I'm fresh from a game where I was PFK and doing pretty well, but it was the fact that I had killed early instead of conserving my (optional) kill that ended up getting me busted. Maybe there is someone with a lot of patience and a desire to see a PFK at the top of the heap again who holds such a role.
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Dec 7, 2010 16:25:58 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 7, 2010 16:25:58 GMT -5
That is to say, just another perspective on this game. I don't think anything that brewha has said so far is unreasonable.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 16:28:25 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Dec 7, 2010 16:28:25 GMT -5
I assume this is for me and I'm not sure if your typo is on purpose or not. There are a lot of possible explanations for what happened last Night and I think it's too early to make any assumptions. There are also a few possible explanations for your comment: you either are a scum who made a slip or a townie who is being shortsighted. I didn't think your post should have gone without comment. I'm not sure why are being so defensive about it. The typo was unintentionally intentional. I've been reading your name as mettalicsquick all game. So, Squick was what I intended to write - I just didn't know it was wrong. As for your post. What is short sighted about saying that we either don't have 3rd party killers or the 3rd party killers were blocked. What scenario did I miss? Generally PFKs and serial killers aren't going to choose to just not kill. It would not be in their best interest. I do regret typing vig instead of PFK, but I already clarified that. Here's what I don't get. You ask me if I know something that you don't. I answer that I don't know what I assume it is you are asking that I know. You call me out for being defensive. What did you expect me to do? Oh and Story? Really? ;D It's shortsighted in that you are making assumptions that we cannot confirm at this point. And by making those assumptions now, you may be dismissing other possibilities as we progress further into the game. (You didn't mention another killer being blocked before, either, so that is yet another possibility. You had just asked if we should assume we don't even have any non-scum killers (PFK, SK, vig, whatever).) As for your response to my original post, certainly I didn't expect you to admit that you were scum and knew MHaye was killed by your teammate but that was my implication. It's inevitable that we all are called scum at some point in this game so I don't see the point in getting defensive about it unless you really are scum and are trying very hard to convince everyone that you are not. That being said, I don't think you were being overly defensive and I may have just read more into your sarcastic tone than warranted.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 16:54:55 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 16:54:55 GMT -5
Non-voting is generally not a tell, but I still would like to force people to vote. Char's vote with no reason was way better than no vote. I picked TL cause she seemed to be around and even posted that she didn't like the non-participators so much that she was going to make like peeker and vote a lurker. If Total has RL issues (and she did say something like that in the overnight thread), I will probably unvote later in the Day, and move onto another non-voter. I get wanting to get people to vote, and wanting to use a stick, but better than a vote with no reasoning? I...well actually I guess I should think on it, but damn that one just feels wrong. I would much rather a person not participate than participate in such a way that they cause more confusion had they done nothing at all. And I just had a thought. Story- Does your hatred of shoes make you feel the need to vote them off the island, or would answering that break the first rule of fight club? Charr, do you have any opinions on that paragraph? Can you even follow that?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 16:59:33 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 16:59:33 GMT -5
Actually, can anyone follow what I was trying to say at the end of my last post? I think I might have been being more cryptic than I thought I was at first glance.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 17:26:57 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 7, 2010 17:26:57 GMT -5
neta: i forgot about punkeri seem to recall being scum with him in another game and he was pretty participatory, if i recall correctly. so meh x 2. we were scum in smash bros mafia. I meant to get back to post a new vote after I unvoted Pleo, but I had a beer, which of course led to more beers and before I knew it the day was over. Sorry for not voting.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 17:37:46 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 7, 2010 17:37:46 GMT -5
Bummer. We'll get 'em next year... Next year? Wow, that's not very optimistic of you. We have 3 full Days before that. As for your post. What is short sighted about saying that we either don't have 3rd party killers or the 3rd party killers were blocked. What scenario did I miss? Generally PFKs and serial killers aren't going to choose to just not kill. It would not be in their best interest. /snipped I saw nothing wrong with your first post - although I wondered what sort of an answer you were expecting - but here you are asking something quite different. The obvious scenario missing is that a PFK/3rd party killer killed mhaye and the scum kill was either blocked or their target was protected. It's shortsighted in that you are making assumptions that we cannot confirm at this point. And by making those assumptions now, you may be dismissing other possibilities as we progress further into the game. (You didn't mention another killer being blocked before, either, so that is yet another possibility. You had just asked if we should assume we don't even have any non-scum killers (PFK, SK, vig, whatever).) /snipped But he didn't ask just that: So, can we assume that there's no vigs/SKs? Or did our protection roles do what they needed to do?/Snipped and added italics Actually, can anyone follow what I was trying to say at the end of my last post? I think I might have been being more cryptic than I thought I was at first glance. I can't. And I'm not sure what it's got to do with Charr - story hasn't voted yet.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 17:39:34 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Dec 7, 2010 17:39:34 GMT -5
In spite of Rysto's explanation of shoes, I am confused about the entire thing. Does this mean that Story is making some sort of soft claim? I think I got side-tracked by all of the bah's which Brewha used as a breadcrumb in the last game I played. NAF, I guess your question to Story was an attempt to determine something about the role he is soft claiming? ? And was your question to Char related to voting with no reason vs. not voting? Or was it related to shoes?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:11:12 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 18:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah...I thought so.
This is what I get for trying to be cute, no one understands me. Must be how peeker feels.
My suspicion is that we have a vote buyer in our midst, or something like it. Charr might have been forced to vote for someone but wasn't able to talk about it, hence the odd vote. Story then comes in talking about hating shoes. He didn't mention this before toDay so my feeling is that he probably acquired the condition that caused the shoe hatred in the Night or start of the Day, recently at any rate. He has not voted yet, but I am wondering if there is a connection between Charr's frankly inexplicable vote and story's shoe hate.
Make sense? The first rule of fight club is that you can not talk about fight club, so violating that would mean that you can't answer the question without violating your post restriction.
God, I feel silly now. Rysto, Ed, Cookies, some other old timer with an appreciation for our shared history, tell me that you were able to follow my post and make me feel better.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:13:11 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Dec 7, 2010 18:13:11 GMT -5
Care to give some context about those "bah" breadcrumbs. That may well be significant.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:18:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 7, 2010 18:18:46 GMT -5
God, I feel silly now. Rysto, Ed, Cookies, some other old timer with an appreciation for our shared history, tell me that you were able to follow my post and make me feel better. Sure....sure...I knew exactly what you were talking about way before you made it comprehensible.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:22:12 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 18:22:12 GMT -5
God, I feel silly now. Rysto, Ed, Cookies, some other old timer with an appreciation for our shared history, tell me that you were able to follow my post and make me feel better. Sure....sure...I knew exactly what you were talking about way before you made it comprehensible. Oh good. I feel much better. story, you surely you understood. :sad:
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Dec 7, 2010 18:23:16 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 18:23:16 GMT -5
Care to give some context about those "bah" breadcrumbs. That may well be significant. I don't get the bah reference. Does it mean something to you?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:36:35 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 7, 2010 18:36:35 GMT -5
Well, I for one am slightly less confused than I was an hour or so ago, but only slightly.
Charr's vote yesterday was rather inexplicable, but I don't know that it was that much stranger than some of the other things we've seen early on in recent games that turned out to be perfectly 'innocent'. I was fairly content to write it off as a "newbie mistake". Perhaps I shouldn't be quite so naive?
Ed, brewha, are you saying that you came to the same conclusion as NAF? Or just that you weren't completely befuddled by it?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:37:56 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 7, 2010 18:37:56 GMT -5
Usually when I say "bah" it means I am displeased with the end result of a Night or a Day and it carries no more meaning than that. I can't imagine using it as a breadcrumb for much of anything.
And I sort of followed you.
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Dec 7, 2010 18:38:37 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 7, 2010 18:38:37 GMT -5
And that of course was a response to NAF. Not plankton, who snuck in there on me.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:38:46 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 18:38:46 GMT -5
Well, I for one am slightly less confused than I was an hour or so ago, but only slightly. Are you still confused by me or just generally?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:39:44 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2010 18:39:44 GMT -5
Usually when I say "bah" it means I am displeased with the end result of a Night or a Day and it carries no more meaning than that. I can't imagine using it as a breadcrumb for much of anything. And I sort of followed you. That's what I thought too, and thanks!
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:46:05 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 7, 2010 18:46:05 GMT -5
Ed, brewha, are you saying that you came to the same conclusion as NAF? Or just that you weren't completely befuddled by it? I have yet to come to any conclusions or understand much of anything
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:50:40 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 7, 2010 18:50:40 GMT -5
Well, I for one am slightly less confused than I was an hour or so ago, but only slightly. Are you still confused by me or just generally? I understand what you're saying. I don't quite get why the evidence at hand let you to make the conclusion you did, but that may be because my history doesn't go back as far as yours, or because my skills of deduction are not as developed...or both (or neither, I suppose). No, my 'confusion' at this point is more general in scope...though I do feel kind of like everybody else knew what you were talking about and I didn't. But I'm getting used to that by now
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2010 18:55:55 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Dec 7, 2010 18:55:55 GMT -5
Care to give some context about those "bah" breadcrumbs. That may well be significant. I don't get the bah reference. Does it mean something to you? texcat said that brewha used "bah" as a breadcrumb in some game.
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Dec 7, 2010 18:57:37 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Dec 7, 2010 18:57:37 GMT -5
In spite of Rysto's explanation of shoes, I am confused about the entire thing. Does this mean that Story is making some sort of soft claim? Uh, I am not sure, but am also wondering. Is story soft-claiming and indicating he has some kind of post-restriction? He has some kind of info., but can't share it or something?
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