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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 0:51:41 GMT -5
If I'm about to get lynched I might as well post mine too:
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 0:56:32 GMT -5
unvote
vote bobargh
trying to save my own skin at the moment.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 1:02:47 GMT -5
Mahaloth, your PM doesn't say if you can submit your own name as the voter. Did you seek clarification on that? Just, that would make it even more uber powerful than it seems already. I have now sent and received my answer to this question. This time, I pressed "quote", which I didn't know you could for a PM. I have no idea why they said "then then mods". I assume it's a typo for "Then the". Here: The power is intended to ask about a vote (any vote) during the Day. Then then mods would say if the player voting and the player voted for is of the same alignment. You can ask about your own vote or not - but it has to be a vote from the previous Day. [/quote] Hmmm... Personally this claim has be head scratching a little bit... I havn't heard of this type of investigory role before, in this configuration.. So it is making me a bit suspious. But I know that time will tell...
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 1:07:45 GMT -5
Captain, would you say that you posted more substantially when you have votes against you? Depends on where I am at in the game, and role I have.... And what is going on IRL... Does it make you post more?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 1:42:24 GMT -5
unvotevote bobarghtrying to save my own skin at the moment. So your vote for bobargh is just to save your own neck, and other reason?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 1:52:08 GMT -5
So the person who is bothering me the most is TIMMY, not because he voted for me, but why he voted for me.. I truly feel it it is calling the kettle black.. He has post 12 times(?) and has provided even less insightful information than me.. (very scary)... And with my [hiccup] posts I at least give everyone the opportunity to enjoy a delicious beverage...
Vote: timmy
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Post by naturallylazy on Feb 6, 2011 2:44:58 GMT -5
So the person who is bothering me the most is TIMMY, not because he voted for me, but why he voted for me.. I truly feel it it is calling the kettle black.. He has post 12 times(?) and has provided even less insightful information than me.. (very scary)... And with my [hiccup] posts I at least give everyone the opportunity to enjoy a delicious beverage... Vote: timmy Pinkie, would you agree with me that your vote sounds vaguely like OMGUS? >_> It would seem as if I have tomorrow to come up with a vote, and that is what my current plan is. I have plenty of time tomorrow afternoon and evening, assuming that people quit bothering me with useless bits of information.
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Post by naturallylazy on Feb 6, 2011 2:46:08 GMT -5
Also: Oh dear god, claiming shenanigans. -_____-
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Post by timmy on Feb 6, 2011 2:57:14 GMT -5
I didn't want to claim on Day One, but I feel I should. Scold me if you must, but I think it's the right move. I still don't get how I pulled so many votes. It really discourages me from every following a "vote early, vote often" policy. Gee, you think people might just be happy it isn't them that is getting killed? I am a shrubbery. Below is the text of my role PM from my inbox. There was a "winky" face after the "welcome the game" part that didn't copy. « Message sent on Jan 31, 2011, 5:08am » ________________________________________ Hi Mahaloth - welcome to the game England, 932 A.D. You are a... shrubbery!!! Made by the famous ROGER THE SHRUBBER!! These are sad time when passing ruffians can 'ni' at will to old ladies. And being a shrubbery in sad times can be... well... sad! So you're kind of sad and when a shrubbery is feeling sad like you it sometimes wither away. We don't want that to happen to you. So now it's time to fight back and overcome the sad, sad, sad, sad times!! Alignment: Town Role: Vote-investigator Power: Every Night (as long as you are alive in the game) you may target a player that voted the previous Day. You may ask the Moderators about one and only one of that players voted the previous Day only. You will then before next Day begins be informed by the Moderators if the target-player and the player voted for have the same alignment or not. Wincon: You win with your team of fellow Townies. This will happen when all threats to Town have been vanquished or withered away from the game. Even plants has to follow rules. You better as the well. The Moderators might invent shrubbery-shredding if you don't read, understand and follow the rules provided in the Thread of Rules. Something about this seems off. The role in itself has Ed's fingerprints all over it--- it's the kind of role that I would expect Ed to create (and quite convincing in its complexity)--- but that's what's troubling: it looks like something Ed might dash off and send as a PM and hope everyone buys it. It looks valid, it has valid points that make sense, but it seems a bit too contrived to be an actual role. Maybe I'm tilting at windmills, after all Mahaloth's role in Halloween was something like "psychic cloud watcher" for Town, and he delivered the goods on a number of people. But even if it smells fishy to me (I say, while pondering the reasons for Ed posting the Monty Python Fish-Slapping Dance prior to Mahaloth's claim), I can't justify voting a claimed Town Power role, not this early. For now I'll wait and see how this plays out. Captain, would you say that you posted more substantially when you have votes against you? Captain, are you still not seeing anything worth commenting on at all today? The force is strong with this one. So the person who is bothering me the most is TIMMY, not because he voted for me, but why he voted for me.. I truly feel it it is calling the kettle black.. He has post 12 times(?) and has provided even less insightful information than me.. (very scary)... And with my [hiccup] posts I at least give everyone the opportunity to enjoy a delicious beverage... Vote: timmy Oboy. An OMGUS. It's probably irrelevant that I was busy and offline the past two days. And it's probably irrelevant that since I voted for you that you've become a bit more responsive. I guess I should respect what others say about you in that you rarely contribute early in the game, and maybe it's wrong of me to expect you do any heavy lifting before Day 3. I guess I should be appreciative you are coming out of your shell to launch this counter-attack, and hope it leads to something more substantial than just a "no u." And I really do enjoy the refreshing drink recipes, as much as I enjoyed the random wikipedia quotes, but can't they wait until Night? I was wrong to imply you were a Lurker; I was trying to imply you don't add much to the discussion. @ HockeyMonkey: Are you questioning why I'm chasing a "one-off" vote when there are other bandwagons a'rolling? Maybe because I don't think too much of the a'rolling bandwagons. Am I looking for a safe place to put my vote where it will ruffle the least amount of feathers? Buss my Scum-buddy and hope no one notices? Sorry to disappoint but I'm not doing either of those. My vote was to prod a non-participant non-lurker into action and all I get is "oh yeah?" from my target. I can't say I'm disappointed because it's kind of what I expected.
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 6, 2011 7:55:32 GMT -5
unvotevote bobarghtrying to save my own skin at the moment. <bleached> Another beautiful rational vote by "harmless" little bunny.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:02:24 GMT -5
That's an extremely powerful claim. Like, astonishingly powerful. He can do two for one in many circumstances, make a chain of "same alignment" until it breaks, and so on. I can't believe I'm going down the road of doubting Mahaloth-as-investigator again, but I do. I'm not sure what to do, and wish it wasn't the weekend so I could think properly. Dunno what you are referring to by doubting Mahaloth again, can you explain? As someone mentioned, he had an oddball (and highly powered, not so much in itself but because there was also another more typical cop in the game) investigative role in Halloween Mafia. I spent the whole game doubting it, until both Mahaloth and the regular cop finally got around to investigating me on the same night, and I got lynched. (I was the mad bomber. I truly believed him to be scum, at least most of the time.) This situation brings back memories.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:15:45 GMT -5
EBWOP - I would suggest that any other investigators not target Mahaloth, for a couple reasons. If he lives, it'll only be a couple days before the info he should be providing will make him semi-confirmed, and if he's NK'd, that would waste your investigation. It's their role to play but that would be my suggestion. Fear of a scum watcher would be a better rationale. Alignment investigators are difficult to confirm, absent their deaths. But I think I just talked myself into unvoting. I'm a bit worried about "oh, I was roleblocked" stringing into infinity, but if he *does* produce results, it could be useful in more than one way. unvote[/color] Something else that occurred to me. I'm pretty sure a town Mahaloth precludes a typical scum redirector (because how would that even work?) And a typical scum redirector precludes a town Mahaloth.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 9:21:31 GMT -5
So your vote for bobargh is just to save your own neck, and other reason? Yes it is just to save myself. I know for a fact that I am town and there is a chance that bob isn't, so by saving myself and hanging him I am more likely to help town. Didn't think I would ever have to explain that really.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:28:18 GMT -5
If he chains he gets +1 investigation over a normal investigator (the initial two then he doubles up). That's correct. He'd actually be stronger checking two different people each time. Not exactly. Say he investigates me and you tonight. He gets back "same alignment". Now either of us coming across as strongly townie in any way (death, bulletproof claim of any sort, the way we've played the game) covers the other as well. We could well wind up with two for one while both are still alive. And can you imagine the pinch the scum wind up in? Kill you, it confirms me, and vice versa. And what if one or both of us is strongly suspicious? Lynch one; if scum, there's another one waiting on the gallows already. If town, you've cleared a living suspect. Say conversely he gets back different alignment. Force both claims, lynch the scummier, and even if you get it wrong, one for one trades are usually good things. (And you'll probably get it right more often than not.) Maybe it's real, and either somehow balanced (tons of third parties to confuse things?) or just not thought through through entirely, but on its face I think it's actually stronger than the two town investigators in Halloween mafia, and that was crazy strong. I am having a very difficult time with it.
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 9:30:26 GMT -5
Comparing the two claims: You will then before next Day begins be informed by the Moderators if the target-player and the player voted for have the same alignment or not. Nights will have no votes. It will not be allowed to talk about the game but any kind of fluff (from living, dead and observers) will be very welcome. @ mahaloth, have you any idea why you receive results before the Day begins and not at Dawn if there's nothing you can do with the information? This seems quite unusual for a Town investigator.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 9:31:35 GMT -5
Another beautiful rational vote by "harmless" little bunny. And what would you have done in my shoes? Let yourself be lynched even though you know you are a town power role? How does that help town's chances of winning? If I have a chance to vote somebody else to save myself I'm going to do it, even if I think they might be town, because it's just a maybe and I know for certain what my role is.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 9:32:40 GMT -5
So your vote for bobargh is just to save your own neck, and other reason? Yes it is just to save myself. I know for a fact that I am town and there is a chance that bob isn't, so by saving myself and hanging him I am more likely to help town. Didn't think I would ever have to explain that really. So because you're about to be strung up, you're absolved of the duty to, you know, vote for somebody scummy? Vote harmlesscrazylittlepunkerbunny[/color]. Busy day for me, I'll try and be back before Dusk.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:33:39 GMT -5
NETA, and if a hypothetical Scum were pretending to hold the role and just deliver 'Town' results on anyone in the unknown pool, would a non-Town 3rd party be in much of a hurry to disagree if they'd been investigated as Town? Depends on the third party in question and the player playing it. But as someone who's considered fake claims in the past that were risky in just that way, I would definitely not rule it out as a risk that could be worth taking.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:37:30 GMT -5
unvotevote bobarghtrying to save my own skin at the moment. So your vote for bobargh is just to save your own neck, and other reason? She hardly needs a better reason with watcher for a claim. But yeah. I'd still like to hear who she thinks is actually scummy and why. Same with Mahaloth.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:41:37 GMT -5
@ Guiri -- I don't think that's a fruitful path of questioning, since both phrases can be broadly interpreted as "at Dawn" and it's well established that Ulla goes to many efforts to make her role PMs impervious to handshaking attempts.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 9:48:49 GMT -5
Yes it is just to save myself. I know for a fact that I am town and there is a chance that bob isn't, so by saving myself and hanging him I am more likely to help town. Didn't think I would ever have to explain that really. So because you're about to be strung up, you're absolved of the duty to, you know, vote for somebody scummy? Vote harmlesscrazylittlepunkerbunny[/color]. Busy day for me, I'll try and be back before Dusk.[/quote] Ok, so you're going to unvote a quite-possibly-overpowered cop claim on the rationale that it will provide useful information and could mostly confirm the cop; but you're willing to vote a claimed watcher (another very strong town role, and one with none of the problems that Mahaloth's has) simply because she votes defensively? Despite that she can ALSO provide useful information, is also a target for scum, and also might be able to confirm herself (to at least the same degree as with Mahaloth, maybe more). You have a double standard, KidV. vote: KidV[/color]
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Post by texcat on Feb 6, 2011 10:00:48 GMT -5
Two town roles already. At least it looks like we have a chance to get some good information tomorrow.
When I read Mahaloth's claim, I was thinking that it was really going to be hard to prove or dis-prove(?) his role. It's the perfect role for a scum to claim. There is virtually no chance of a counter-claim. And town will not know that his information is correct or incorrect. And if it is correct the information is verrrrry valuable to town. I'm willing to give Mahaloth the benefit of doubt for the moment, but am not even close to moving him to my confirmed column.
Bunny's watcher claim, on the other hand, would be a more dangerous one for scum to claim this early in the game. There would be a real possibility of a counter-claim. The results could be easy to fake, but it is possible that if Bunny is town that he could get results that could confirm him.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 10:18:04 GMT -5
I really kind of don't like. We've all been through the unprovoked early-Day reveals at least two or three times by now, and it's really a null tell and may or may not hurt Town snipped. This is my third game, so I haven't been through it two or three times. Thank you.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 6, 2011 10:34:09 GMT -5
So your vote for bobargh is just to save your own neck, and other reason? She hardly needs a better reason with watcher for a claim. But yeah. I'd still like to hear who she thinks is actually scummy and why. Same with Mahaloth. Finally, somebody somewhat reasonable. I do believe there is a case to be made against Bob. His supposed typo doesn't mean much to me, but he posted this: I think that Mahaloth's vote on Bill was a gut-level reaction to the crap that has gone on in the current game over on the SDMB. Burby called it a "statement vote", which I think is an accurate assessment. Mahaloth as much as acknowledged it by unvoting Bill within a short time period. However, harmless little bunny's vote on Mahaloth seems to be a reaction to Mahaloth's reaction. Both votes seem to have been made based on emotion, rather than any rational thought. But, one player has already rescinded his vote, leaving the other one still looking irrational. [collor=blue] Vote harmless little bunny[/collor] He is asking me to change my vote against Malhaloth while not just absolving Malhaloth's wishy-washy vote behavior, but actually condoning it. This could either be just poor logic or scum defending scum. For the record my FOS is still pointed at Malhaloth. If something looks too good to be true it usually is. That's how I feel about his role PM right now. Plus I still feel as though he has added nothing to the game. He has been a talking point because of his claim, but other than that he hasn't added much. Granted, it's Day one, so nobody has really added a ton, but Malhaloth less than most. Where are Pedescribe and Paranoia? KidV, you didn't have any problems when I voted to save myself last game. Why are you changing now?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 12:17:23 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? This vote isn't because you voted me or that I think you suck. I am voting for you because your behavior and actions are the same as the ones you are finding suspicious? No, not suspicious but because someone is playing not as you expect. Where is your wealth of information to make town insightful? is it your comments about African swallows or your one line monologs? because that really helped me identify that hidden away scum.
You come on vote, and then disappear... For someone who is "not" participating, when in fact they were.... and then post nothing until you receive several votes.
I think having any expectations in this game is setting yourself up disappointment. I told you my playing style. And what to expect. Yet, you've decided that I should play some other way.
Are you talking discussion or chatter? If I have something to say, I will say it. If I have a reason for a vote I'll present a case.
To be clear here are my reasons for voting for you:
1) You voted for a player for the very thing you have done (13 posts- one maybe 2 with anything "useful" for anyone
2) You post and disappear for days at a time
3) Your explained reasoning for the vote was not correct, the person was asking questions about things that were bothering them.
There is not information on day 1, without information it is pretty difficult to determine intent, other than asking questions or voting for someone. Do use all a favor and stop in more than every 3 days....
And no, drinks can't wait until night, sorry...
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 12:20:24 GMT -5
I hope my last post clears this up for you. And no I don't think it is a OMGUS vote, but that is something you risk when you vote for someone who votes for you...
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 12:22:59 GMT -5
So because you're about to be strung up, you're absolved of the duty to, you know, vote for somebody scummy? Vote harmlesscrazylittlepunkerbunny[/color]. Busy day for me, I'll try and be back before Dusk.[/quote] Ok, so you're going to unvote a quite-possibly-overpowered cop claim on the rationale that it will provide useful information and could mostly confirm the cop; but you're willing to vote a claimed watcher (another very strong town role, and one with none of the problems that Mahaloth's has) simply because she votes defensively? Despite that she can ALSO provide useful information, is also a target for scum, and also might be able to confirm herself (to at least the same degree as with Mahaloth, maybe more). You have a double standard, KidV. vote: KidV[/color][/quote] I have to agree, this seems off
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 6, 2011 12:26:48 GMT -5
Where are Pedescribe and Paranoia? Schoolwork, mainly, and being distracted by the game on the Geeb. And when you fall behind, it takes even more time to catch up. (which is what I'm trying to do now)
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 6, 2011 12:49:58 GMT -5
unvote bunny
I'm willing to accept the claim for the moment, and I don't have a big problem with the self-defense vote here.
I'm not so sure about Mahaloth's claim, because the role does seem a bit overpowered, but I'm not going to vote for him Today on that basis.
I don't have a really good read on anyone (big surprise at this point), but my two top suspects are:
sinjin - Her vote on bobarrgh seems like a vote of opportunity. It comes. She says she doesn't believe his explanation, but there was something about her reasoning that just felt 'off' to me.
KidVermicious - for voting for a the claimed Watcher...basically the exact argument made by Renata in Post 350.
I'll be back with another vote after I recheck a few things.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 6, 2011 12:59:23 GMT -5
Unvote: harmless little bunny
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