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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 13:13:22 GMT -5
KidV's double standard is suspect, and it isn't helping my lingering doubts about Mahaloth's claim either.
Vote: KidV
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 6, 2011 13:32:59 GMT -5
Vote: KidVermicious
For the double-standard vote on HLB, mostly.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 13:43:25 GMT -5
(I say, while pondering the reasons for Ed posting the Monty Python Fish-Slapping Dance prior to Mahaloth's claim), Just for clarity sake, any videos I post are purely for entertainment reasons and contain no game-related information.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 13:54:13 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 14 hours and 5 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] harmless little bunny (4)(6) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346] bobarrgh (4)(4) Natlaw [213], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330] KidV (3)(3) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361] sinjin (2)(2) Paranoia [174], romola [295] timmy (2)(2) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335] Captain Pinkies (1)(1) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1) Mahaloth [290] Mahaloth (0)(6) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322]CatInASuit (0)(4) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1) Renata [140,141]Not voting (7) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, Hockey Monkey, naturallylazy, pedescribe, guiri, Suburban Plankton With these votes, harmless little bunny will be lynched
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Post by timmy on Feb 6, 2011 13:59:13 GMT -5
You come on vote, and then disappear... For someone who is "not" participating, when in fact they were.... and then post nothing until you receive several votes. Did you miss where I stated I was offline for the past two days? As of now, I have 13 posts; 9 were posted Jan 31 before I received a vote. You, OTOH, have 15 (as of right now) posts spread over the past 5 days which if put in context reveal mainly one-shot replies to different users. My previous post contained multiple responses which if replied in separate posts would bump my count to 17. So let's not get into a post-count battle, 'k? If your style is to sit on the sidelines and let others formulate arguments, you bet I have a problem. That's either Scum or lazy Town work. It's one thing to be distracted irl, so please tell me if that is the case and I'll retract my statements. See above comment. Again, see above. It bothered me, too. That's why I voted. Day One is the hardest Day to find Scum. It is also the Day I post the most. Not all of it is substantial but more than anything I am looking to draw out Scum with fluff. And if I find a nugget of information I try to follow it through. And still more fluff. I'll hand it to you, I'm LOLing over the recipe (I'll be trying that later, even though I'm not a tequila guy).
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Post by timmy on Feb 6, 2011 14:08:31 GMT -5
(I say, while pondering the reasons for Ed posting the Monty Python Fish-Slapping Dance prior to Mahaloth's claim), Just for clarity sake, any videos I post are purely for entertainment reasons and contain no game-related information. Did I post that quote in green? ;D Just kidding, Ed. you know i loves you. I'm not convinced KidV's vote is sound (he mentioned he might change his mind later), but I don't see it as a Scum-tell. harmlessbunny might be using a false PM in hopes of drawing out the true Town Watcher with a counter-claim, I have to consider that. But I'm not going to vote for a claimed Town Power, not on Day One. I think Mahaloth's claim is more suspicious, and I'm not voting him either. Oh, and I will be away for the rest of the day. Captain, please make a note of that.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 14:35:05 GMT -5
unvote: harmless little bunny
vote: Sister Coyote
For following on KidV's bandwagon, which I think is a bad choice, and not bringing a new argument on the table.
@cookies & Sister: Where does the "I don't feel like playing this game if the mods help scum with cover roles" incident fit in your thinking? Does it seem something a scum KidVermicious would do?
I don't know the guy, but it feels very much "unscummy" to me.
I'm interested to hear Renata on this, to a lesser degree but I'd prefer if she would delay her answer until Sister and Cookes have given theirs, as I don't want to see another "me too".
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 14:43:13 GMT -5
No, I don't think KidV gets to cash in any Townie cred for being consistently about an out-of-game opinion that was originally shared in the signup thread, potentially prior to even receiving his role PM.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 14:44:20 GMT -5
That's "being consistent" or "behaving consistently", whichever the reader prefers.
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 14:44:45 GMT -5
unvote: harmless little bunnyvote: Sister CoyoteFor following on KidV's bandwagon, which I think is a bad choice, and not bringing a new argument on the table. @cookies & Sister: Where does the "I don't feel like playing this game if the mods help scum with cover roles" incident fit in your thinking? Does it seem something a scum KidVermicious would do? I don't know the guy, but it feels very much "unscummy" to me. I'm interested to hear Renata on this, to a lesser degree but I'd prefer if she would delay her answer until Sister and Cookes have given theirs, as I don't want to see another "me too". I've actually commented on this before if you want to look back.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 14:50:46 GMT -5
unvotevote bobarghtrying to save my own skin at the moment. I didn't like this from little bunny because I believe a Town should be looking for scum when he's under pressure, and not be strictly on the defensive, casting a vote to save himself. When bunny made that vote, there was (and there still is) enough time to make a good case on someone. A vote to save himself was not necessary, it just looks scummy. It was also the 3rd time bunny made the "trendy" vote: 1) He joined Bill's bandwagon after Romola & Sinjin. 2) He joined Mahaloth's bandwagon after Red & Renata. 3) He joined Bob's bandwagon to save himself. So the scummy smell is strong. However I'm not ready to lynch a possible pro-town on day 1, let's say he's under close watch for now.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 14:53:57 GMT -5
unvote: harmless little bunnyvote: Sister CoyoteFor following on KidV's bandwagon, which I think is a bad choice, and not bringing a new argument on the table. @cookies & Sister: Where does the "I don't feel like playing this game if the mods help scum with cover roles" incident fit in your thinking? Does it seem something a scum KidVermicious would do? I don't know the guy, but it feels very much "unscummy" to me. I'm interested to hear Renata on this, to a lesser degree but I'd prefer if she would delay her answer until Sister and Cookes have given theirs, as I don't want to see another "me too". I've actually commented on this before if you want to look back. Where? I am not finding any comment on this around the time you casted your vote on KidV.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 14:55:57 GMT -5
No, I don't think KidV gets to cash in any Townie cred for being consistently about an out-of-game opinion that was originally shared in the signup thread, potentially prior to even receiving his role PM. "Potentially prior to even receiving his role PM" ? I thought the comment was clearly made after he received his role PM.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 6, 2011 15:01:35 GMT -5
No, I saw that... but it doesn't change the fact you weren't here after voting for me being a lurker or low participation, what ever you are calling it... I don't post unless I have something to contribute. If you want me to contribute more, then be here and ask questions. I don't post to see what I can type.
my style is to wait and see what people have to say... If I have something I can contribute then I will post that... I find that I don't have a lot to contribute until about day 3. I like to analyze intent and based opinions on that...
So we have different style, I'm cool with that, but what you say is your style isn't how you are acting in this game. I know all about IRL stuff happening, but it doesn't discount that what I have to look at is - words, action, and intent... You saying one thing, but you are doing another, so I trying to figure if you are trying to mischaractize people and try to start a band wagon. or if you were in fact snowed under with IRL stuff... I inclined to believe the later, but right now I don't trust anyone's intentions...
See we both fluff... It is just different fluff....
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 15:07:29 GMT -5
Earlier, Romanic; I don't have time to find it for you.
What do you think of KidV's double standard in the absence of this issue?
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 15:11:28 GMT -5
About KidV's post timing,
This was posted in the Rules thread about 3 hours before I received my role PM:
However this one was posted 3 hours after I received my role PM:
I suppose 3 hours is enough to send all the PMs, so it's likely that KidV made that second post after knowledge of his role. And it doesn't feel right that a scum would ask to leave the game in this situation.
However I was under the impression that both posts were made after receiving the role, so I guess that my argument is weaker than I thought.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 15:24:30 GMT -5
Just popping in quick to say I'll leave my vote here it is. "I do like/I don't like a comment I don't totally understand" is an odd remark either way. The thing to say it is "What do you mean by that comment?". Several people mention they see it as confused/unclear town. Bobarrgh, what's your mafia experience?
crazybunny claimed watcher which if he's scum would have less risk to be counter claimed then doctor or cop (especially since Mahaloth claimed that). Ignoring the claims I lean more scummy on bunny between those too and with the claims I rather not lynch either Today. Of course time is short for a third (or even fourth to claim).
Of the runners up I think the case for KidV is best - with little hard information Day One a defensive vote isn't that bad (of course there is not point for scum not to do it as well. I don't know what KidV previous stance on it was.
The case against timmy seems not good to me as the lurker argument applied more the Pinkies before the voting started although he did step up his play after the vote.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 15:27:04 GMT -5
Earlier, Romanic; I don't have time to find it for you. What you said earlier is not of much interest to me, what I want to know is if you include the KidV event in your thinking before casting that vote or if you forgot it happened, because to me it plays a big factor in my evaluation of KidV. As far as I know, any scum could have forgotten this event because they're not really looking for scum, hence why one of them would have followed you on this case. What do you think of KidV's double standard in the absence of this issue? Like I wrote in post #370, bunny's behavior is still very scummy, and I understand if someone believe he's a good lynch despite his claim. Personally I think we should wait to see what happens, but I don't mind KidV's stance, I don't see him scummier for it.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 15:34:32 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 12 hours and 25 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] bobarrgh (4)(4) Natlaw [213], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330] harmless little bunny (3)(6) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164 366], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346] KidV (3)(3) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361] sinjin (2)(2) Paranoia [174], romola [295] timmy (2)(2) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335] Captain Pinkies (1)(1) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1) Mahaloth [290] Sister Coyote (1)(1) Romanic [366] Mahaloth (0)(6) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322]CatInASuit (0)(4) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1) Renata [140,141]Not voting (7) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, Hockey Monkey, naturallylazy, pedescribe, guiri, Suburban Plankton With these votes, babarrgh will be lynched
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 16:17:45 GMT -5
So because you're about to be strung up, you're absolved of the duty to, you know, vote for somebody scummy? Vote harmlesscrazylittlepunkerbunny[/bleached]. Busy day for me, I'll try and be back before Dusk. Ok, so you're going to unvote a quite-possibly-overpowered cop claim on the rationale that it will provide useful information and could mostly confirm the cop; but you're willing to vote a claimed watcher (another very strong town role, and one with none of the problems that Mahaloth's has) simply because she votes defensively? Despite that she can ALSO provide useful information, is also a target for scum, and also might be able to confirm herself (to at least the same degree as with Mahaloth, maybe more). You have a double standard, KidV. vote: KidV[/bleached] Double standard? Nonsense. He's got plenty of time to find somebody he feels is scummy. Instead, he'd rather drop a role PM, place a crappy vote, and let everybody else do the lifting when it's his head on the block. Self defense is fine when there's 10 minutes to Dusk. That's not the case here, and his behavior is anti-Town. When he changes it, I'll move my vote.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 6, 2011 16:19:39 GMT -5
After some deliberation, my initial suspicion of Timmy because of his vote seems founded. The exchange between him and Pinkies seems contrived to me. Kind of fake, if you will. It's entirely possible they are boht scum, as Pinkies isn't looking very squeaky to me either. They seem to me to be setting each other up for Townie Cred when one of them gets dead.
vote Timmy
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 16:20:26 GMT -5
But Mahaloth hasn't voted at all -- is that somehow better?
@ Romanic: I did include that in my thinking.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 16:23:23 GMT -5
KidV, you didn't have any problems when I voted to save myself last game. Why are you changing now? Are you thinking of somebody else? I'm not sure you and I have ever played together. In any case, I don't have a problem with the self-defense vote itself. It's the timing (waaay too early, IMO), and that you didn't appear to be inclined to do anything else. You've since worked on developing an alternate case against another player, so I'll Unvote punkerbunny.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 16:32:27 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">KidV's double standard is suspect, and it isn't helping my lingering doubts about Mahaloth's claim either. Vote: KidV <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Vote: KidVermicious For the double-standard vote on HLB, mostly. Holy frickin' moly. Not a double standard, people. I voted punkerbunny to pressure a little more playing on his part. Mahaloth was already participating, I didn't need to pressure him. Not a double standard. <font style="font-size: 12px;">No, I don't think KidV gets to cash in any Townie cred for being consistently about an out-of-game opinion that was originally shared in the signup thread, potentially prior to even receiving his role PM. Agreed. I originally objected to this rule before receiving my Role PM, and I'd prefer if my reaction to it not be metagamed.
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 6, 2011 16:34:41 GMT -5
Several people mention they see it as confused/unclear town. Bobarrgh, what's your mafia experience? Thank you for asking. This is only my second game. I am currently in the Dr. Seuss game on Giraffe Boards. I have observed 3 games before I started playing. I observed the Castle of Crossed Destinies, International Mafia, and am observing the Hotel of Heroes. I was not spoilered in any of them, so I have been following along without any type of outside knowledge. I was not going to make a big deal of my rookie status. I have seen several people get hammered lately for flaunting their newbieness. I admit I fat-fingered something, but unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way to convince people it was an honest mistake. I think the reason some of my answers may have seemed to be so strange is because I truly thought I had written "I don't like ..." with regards to Sinjin. In my mind, that was what I had written, and so when the question was asked of me several times, my confirmation bias kept getting in the way. I did not pay attention to the "What do you like about Sinjin", because I was certain I had not said I liked anything about her comment. As I said earlier, I re-read the entire set of exchanges 3 times before I realized that I had written "do" instead of "don't". Anyway, if I'm going to be lynched, then so be it. I've always felt that "... a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." Thus, since several of you have made up your mind about me, there's not much I am going to be able to say to make you change your minds. I don't have anyone I can ask about what my next step should be. I've know there's a lot of discussion about whether or not a person should claim on Day 1, etc., etc. I feel that no matter what I do, it will be seen as a null-tell. I'm not sure I am supposed to reveal my role at the moment, so I am not going to, simply because I don't want to make the wrong move with respect to hurting the other Townies. I'm at a friend's house right now, getting ready to watch the Super Bowl. I don't know if I'll be able to follow this conversation very well because he is going to be using his computer to monitor his football "investments".
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 6, 2011 16:38:40 GMT -5
I feel that no matter what I do, it will be seen as a null-tell. The underlined part should have been "scum-tell".
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 16:49:49 GMT -5
You've since worked on developing an alternate case against another player, so I'll unvote punkerbunny. Which case? Against who?
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Post by Renata on Feb 6, 2011 16:54:09 GMT -5
NETA from several posts up: Mahaloth did vote against Guiri, so never mind. Argh this isn't easy.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 17:00:28 GMT -5
I'd still be potentially willing to switch back to Mahaloth, despite that not apparently being a popular idea. I find the Bunny's claim somewhat easier to swallow than Mahaloth's, which is contributing to my suspicion of KidV, who seems to be reading the same scenario with inverted conclusions.
My final vote will end up on one of the two, Mahaloth or KidV.
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 17:01:00 GMT -5
NETA from several posts up: Mahaloth did vote against Guiri, so never mind. Argh this isn't easy. I don't think it changes anything. Mahaloth made two comments directed at another player and voted me apparently for accusing him of trying to fly under the radar when he hadn't posted in 48 hours. I think kidvermicious' statement applies equally to mahaloth and agree that there's a double standard: Double standard? Nonsense. He's got plenty of time to find somebody he feels is scummy. Instead, he'd rather drop a role PM, place a crappy vote, and let everybody else do the lifting when it's his head on the block. And his unvote makes no sense, harmless is now building a case on Bob, the same player he voted for in self-defense... Vote KidV
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