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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 6, 2011 17:18:21 GMT -5
Okay...let me see if I've got this straight.
BillMC claimed vanilla. Mahaloth voted for him, and harmless crazy bunny (who is a girl?) voted for Mahaloth. Sinjin planted herself in the middle, I think. And KidV strongly accused...one of the two. Then BillMC left. Natlaw was sort of a go-between, decoding the various accusations flung by Reneta, Kid V, Natlaz etc. Timmy did...something? and people don't like CaPink because he didn't post much? Even though he did, quite a bit. Texcat disappeared, and so did I. Did I miss anything?
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 17:30:03 GMT -5
I retract my statement that timmy looks better than Captain Pinkies. Reading through his post he had some fluff, two statements about mod fake PMs and the unprovoked vanilla claim. Then this post where his lists some players (BillMc, Mahaloth not a case, Bob looks like but no but could be wrong. pings ) voted for and why I doesn't think their valid. Then he votes Pinkies but Pinkies got poked by lyla first (and romanic later).
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 17:31:48 GMT -5
I find the Bunny's claim somewhat easier to swallow than Mahaloth's, which is contributing to my suspicion of KidV, who seems to be reading the same scenario with inverted conclusions. Cookies, I don't seem to be doing anything of the sort. I've already made plain why I voted for the bunny in spite of his (her?) claim, and your insistence on assigned motives and opinions not in evidence is scummy.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 17:37:04 GMT -5
I think kidvermicious' statement applies equally to mahaloth and agree that there's a double standard: Double standard? Nonsense. He's got plenty of time to find somebody he feels is scummy. Instead, he'd rather drop a role PM, place a crappy vote, and let everybody else do the lifting when it's his head on the block. And his unvote makes no sense, harmless is now building a case on Bob, the same player he voted for in self-defense... Vote KidVYou think there's a double standard. In spite of that fact that I have explained that there is no double standard, you're gonna keep beating that drum? No refuting my claim, nothing new to add? And please explain how my unvote makes no sense? Punkerbunny contributed. That was my goal. How in hell does it matter that punkerbunny is solidifying his vote against Bob, the player he self-defense voted against? I'm getting mad now. I'm going away for a couple hours.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 17:40:42 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 10 hours and 20 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] bobarrgh (4)(4 247) Natlaw [213], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330] KidVermicious (4)(4 389) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361], guiri [389] timmy (3)(3 380) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335], Hockey Monkey [380] harmless little bunny (2)(6 346) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164 366], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346 382]sinjin (2)(2 295) Paranoia [174], romola [295] Captain Pinkies (1)(1 252) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1 290) Mahaloth [290] Sister Coyote (1)(1 366) Romanic [366] Mahaloth (0)(6 282) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322]CatInASuit (0)(4 139) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1 140) Renata [140,141]Not voting (6) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, naturallylazy, pedescribe, Suburban Plankton, KidVermicious With these votes, bobarrgh will be lynched
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 17:47:47 GMT -5
Okay...let me see if I've got this straight. You don't. And it misrepresents a lot of players. BillMc claimed vanilla and doesn't like on-demand fake PMs, gets voted for the first by sinjin+crazybunny and for the later by romola. BillMc rage quits and Mahaloth votes him for it and quickly unvotes after people challenge him on it. No idea where you got this impression? KidV is currently getting votes for unvoting Mahaloth for his claim but voting crazybunny who also has an investigaive claim. I think you mean guiri+sinjin questioning bob while I join later with a first vote. Both didn't post him then accused each other and voted for it and as a result both got more talkative. peekercpa and Mahaloth haven't been heard from for a while but its weekend. Are you planning to cast a vote?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 17:49:42 GMT -5
KidV: Your assurance of what your motives are is also information not in evidence. I'm not convinced beyond any and all doubt that you're scum, but you are suspicious enough to get my vote at this point.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 17:55:30 GMT -5
I don't have anyone I can ask about what my next step should be. I've know there's a lot of discussion about whether or not a person should claim on Day 1, etc., etc. I feel that no matter what I do, it will be seen as a scull-tell. I'll go with the rest and believe your made a mistake nor were very clear with you statements and Unvote: bobarggh That puts KidV in the lead so I (imo) that means you don't have to claim. Please note different between an unprovoked claim like BillMc did and the later claim because the player were in the lead for the lynch close to Dusk. The latter is expected at least on this board. But only you know your role so only you can reason when it's best to claim before your lynched or not.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 18:00:49 GMT -5
(BillMc, Mahaloth not a case, Bob looks like but no but could be wrong. pings ) Didn't finish that sentence: "timmy pings pinkies, crazybunny and paranoia, textcat, lyla).
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 18:00:50 GMT -5
KidV: Your assurance of what your motives are is also information not in evidence. I'm not convinced beyond any and all doubt that you're scum, but you are suspicious enough to get my vote at this point. You said my conclusions were opposite yours. I've never said anything about whether I think punkerbunnies role claim is more believable than Mahaloths, so how could you know anything about my conclusions in that respect? You also said you were voting me for a double standard, but have yet to counter or even acknowledge my explanation of this "double standard". And yet I'm the scummiest thing you've seen all day. You're reaching, Cookies. Really reaching. And it smells.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 18:16:10 GMT -5
NETA from several posts up: Mahaloth did vote against Guiri, so never mind. Argh this isn't easy. I don't think it changes anything. Mahaloth made two comments directed at another player and voted me apparently for accusing him of trying to fly under the radar when he hadn't posted in 48 hours. I don't think that's comparable - Mahaloth hadn't claimed there nor was voting defensively to avoid a lynch (but I agree his vote was a weak OMGUS). I'm not sold one KidV as scum yet. I see his argument as 'poke vote to get him to place a better vote and since he provide extra reasoning I unvoted'. On the other hand if crazybunny should have a better vote then a poke vote when the day is running on its end doesn't seem to be that great either.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 18:26:34 GMT -5
No, Mahaloth is the most suspect person I've seen all day, but you're a close second, and it is not that far of a reach. You may have missed the last few posts of mine where I express an interest in potentially still voting to lynch Mahaloth if it looked like there was more of a consensus on the matter. There are also others who apparently either share this view of your play or at least acknowledge it as reasonable, are they also over reaching and smelling funny? The first one being Renata: So because you're about to be strung up, you're absolved of the duty to, you know, vote for somebody scummy? Vote harmlesscrazylittlepunkerbunny[/color]. Busy day for me, I'll try and be back before Dusk.[/quote] Ok, so you're going to unvote a quite-possibly-overpowered cop claim on the rationale that it will provide useful information and could mostly confirm the cop; but you're willing to vote a claimed watcher (another very strong town role, and one with none of the problems that Mahaloth's has) simply because she votes defensively? Despite that she can ALSO provide useful information, is also a target for scum, and also might be able to confirm herself (to at least the same degree as with Mahaloth, maybe more). You have a double standard, KidV. ]vote: KidV[/quote] Despite your attempts to suggest otherwise, we are, in fact, looking at Mahaloth and Bunny, their claims and their play and coming to different conclusions. Though I have unvoted Mahaloth, I still suspect him. And I don't see the nefariousness that you do in Bunny's play. Bunny chose to claim due to lynch pressure and also chose to vote defensively, yet you're faulting him for not doing more heavy lifting on Day 1, when there is little if anything to pick up at all.
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Post by guiri on Feb 6, 2011 18:29:22 GMT -5
I don't think it changes anything. Mahaloth made two comments directed at another player and voted me apparently for accusing him of trying to fly under the radar when he hadn't posted in 48 hours. I don't think that's comparable - Mahaloth hadn't claimed there nor was voting defensively to avoid a lynch (but I agree his vote was a weak OMGUS). Mahaloth claimed in the same post he voted me. While it wasn't a self-defense vote, KidV accused Harmless of not being inclined to do anything else. KidV's comment about Harmless could be perfectly applied to Mahaloth: He's got plenty of time to find somebody he feels is scummy. Instead, he'd rather drop a role PM, place a crappy vote, and let everybody else do the lifting when it's his head on the block. In any case, I don't have a problem with the self-defense vote itself. It's the timing (waaay too early, IMO), and that you didn't appear to be inclined to do anything else.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 18:37:14 GMT -5
Whoops, brainfart from me, your right about that. There is the difference with Mahaloth not stating that his vote for you was the last thing he would do but it did turn out that way since he hasn't posted since (or not a much at least).
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 18:52:33 GMT -5
So, nothing, Cookies? Not willing to debate your position, you're just going to pick nits and point at other players?
I hope the rest of you see what she's doing, and pay attention to the others that are me-tooing her posts. I can't defend myself against this, the more I try the deeper my hole will get. A little help here would be great.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 6, 2011 18:53:42 GMT -5
vote KidVermicious
First, he jumped on the Mahaloth bandwagon, because Mahaloth isn't putting up enough of a fight to save himself. Then, he unvotes, even as he points out that Maha's claimed role is "insanely powerful".
Then he votes for crazybunny because he's doing exactly the opposite of what Maha was doing; he makes a self-preservation vote. And later, after he's picked up a few votes himself, he unvotes because crazybunny has "since worked on developing an alternate case against another player". Except he hasn't. He has made two posts since KidV's vote. One in which he tells us this is his third game of Mafia, and one where he does make another accusation against bob, but also says "This could either be just poor logic or scum defending scum" and "For the record my FOS is still pointed at Malhaloth".
I think KidV is looking for any bandwagon he can jump on, and is just as eager to jump off for any reason he can invent once the wagon slows down.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 19:23:24 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 8 hours and 36 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] KidVermicious (5)(5 405) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361], guiri [389], Suburban Plankton [405] bobarrgh (3)(4 247) Natlaw [213 397], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330] timmy (3)(3 380) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335], Hockey Monkey [380] harmless little bunny (2)(6 346) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164 366], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346 382]sinjin (2)(2 295) Paranoia [174], romola [295] Captain Pinkies (1)(1 252) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1 290) Mahaloth [290] Sister Coyote (1)(1 366) Romanic [366] Mahaloth (0)(6 282) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322]CatInASuit (0)(4 139) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1 140) Renata [140,141]Not voting (6) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, naturallylazy, pedescribe, KidVermicious, Natlaw With these votes, KidVermicious will be lynched
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 19:27:17 GMT -5
How else do you want me to debate my position? I'm more than happy to debate it.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 6, 2011 19:40:54 GMT -5
I hope the rest of you see what she's doing, and pay attention to the others that are me-tooing her posts. I can't defend myself against this, the more I try the deeper my hole will get. A little help here would be great. What do you think of Mahaloths vote? Why no poke votes for the other non-voters? Why no claim? Vote: timmy I've re-read on Pinkies as well and in a 180 turn to my first impression (I think triggered by pinkies, err loose writing style) I agree with him that timmy voted him for behaviour he showed himself. Pinkies was just more candid about the "not-much-information on Day ONe so I won't be able to contribute much". I decided to not join the KidV wagon because while I see the arguments for/against his vote for crazybunny, I don't see why a scum who draw attention like that by voting a claimed investigative role. Yes, scum could do it but they would rather not. I hope to see more from the low posters Tomorrow including CatInASuit. Did he already respond to the fact that he's playing?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 19:46:10 GMT -5
How else do you want me to debate my position? I'm more than happy to debate it. Are you? Because you completely blew off post 399. Start there. Except you won't. Because you're scum. ________________________________________________ I don't believe that everybody on my back right now is scum. Some of you are misguided, but I think most of you are being lazy. I could go through and point out which of you I think are scum, and why. But I'm not going to. That'd be doing your job for you. I'm not going to role claim, either. I've never had a Day One flameout before, hell, I've never even been lynched as Town. So maybe I'm due. I won't be posting again Today, ya'll piss me off. Good job, Scum. Town, shame on you.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 6, 2011 20:01:18 GMT -5
How else do you want me to debate my position? I'm more than happy to debate it. Are you? Because you completely blew off post 399. Start there. Except you won't. Because you're scum. ________________________________________________ I don't believe that everybody on my back right now is scum. Some of you are misguided, but I think most of you are being lazy. I could go through and point out which of you I think are scum, and why. But I'm not going to. That'd be doing your job for you. I'm not going to role claim, either. I've never had a Day One flameout before, hell, I've never even been lynched as Town. So maybe I'm due. I won't be posting again Today, ya'll piss me off. Good job, Scum. Town, shame on you. Well, that was certainly helpful. Thank you.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 20:05:12 GMT -5
KidV: Your assurance of what your motives are is also information not in evidence. I'm not convinced beyond any and all doubt that you're scum, but you are suspicious enough to get my vote at this point. You said my conclusions were opposite yours. I've never said anything about whether I think punkerbunnies role claim is more believable than Mahaloths, so how could you know anything about my conclusions in that respect? You also said you were voting me for a double standard, but have yet to counter or even acknowledge my explanation of this "double standard". And yet I'm the scummiest thing you've seen all day. You're reaching, Cookies. Really reaching. And it smells. Here's my original statement: Key words: 'seems to' Inverted conclusions/double standard: That Bunny somehow comes out of making an investigator claim smelling worse than Mahaloth. Inverted because a) I don't think Bunny looks particularly bad at this point and b) I'm still suspicious of Mahaloth. Sorry you feel like someone has pissed in your cheerios. I'm just playing the game.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 20:06:10 GMT -5
How else do you want me to debate my position? I'm more than happy to debate it. Are you? Because you completely blew off post 399. Start there. Except you won't. Because you're scum. ________________________________________________ I don't believe that everybody on my back right now is scum. Some of you are misguided, but I think most of you are being lazy. I could go through and point out which of you I think are scum, and why. But I'm not going to. That'd be doing your job for you. I'm not going to role claim, either. I've never had a Day One flameout before, hell, I've never even been lynched as Town. So maybe I'm due. I won't be posting again Today, ya'll piss me off. Good job, Scum. Town, shame on you. Being pissed off at everyone doesn't make sense when there's only five players voting for you, with timmy at 4 and bob at 3. If you're Town, this reaction isn't helping. I wouldn't mind hearing who you think is scum and why. It would be taken into consideration if you are lynched today and flip Innocent.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 20:09:53 GMT -5
I hope to see more from the low posters Tomorrow including CatInASuit. Did he already respond to the fact that he's playing? He agreed to sub in.
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Post by special on Feb 6, 2011 20:13:11 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 0 days, 7 hours and 47 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] KidVermicious (5)(5 405) Renata [350], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [360], Sister Coyote [361], guiri [389], Suburban Plankton [405] timmy (4)(4 408) Red Skeezix [310], Captain Pinkies [335], Hockey Monkey [380], Natlaw [408] bobarrgh (3)(4 247) Natlaw [213 397], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273], harmless little bunny [330] harmless little bunny (2)(6 346) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164 366], Suburban Plankton [186 358], Sister Coyote [260 359], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286], KidVermicious [346 382]sinjin (2)(2 295) Paranoia [174], romola [295] Captain Pinkies (1)(1 252) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1 290) Mahaloth [290] Sister Coyote (1)(1 366) Romanic [366] Mahaloth (0)(6 282) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [156 241 256 341], harmless little bunny [168 330], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281 325], guiri [282 322]CatInASuit (0)(4 139) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1 140) Renata [140,141]Not voting (5) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, naturallylazy, pedescribe, KidVermicious With these votes, KidVermicious will be lynched
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 21:31:25 GMT -5
*sigh*
I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't play for a year and suddenly I'm a freaking drama queen.
I can simultaneously protect Mahaloth, which is good if he's Town, and remove any excuse he might try to provide for why he got no results, which is good if he's scum. Except you all have forced a claim, so now I won't be any help unless there's a Doc that wants to get my back.
Or you can lynch me, and find scum on my bandwagon when I come back Town. I'm easy.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2011 22:02:34 GMT -5
You mean another Doc, right?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 6, 2011 22:12:45 GMT -5
You mean another Doc, right? Implying that I could be faking my role claim, because it's less likely that there would be 2 Docs? And I'm calling for protection because I know I'm not one? That would be great, Cookies, except I'm not a Doc.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 6, 2011 22:12:46 GMT -5
You mean another Doc, right? No, I think what KidV is claiming is that his 'protection' prevents any actions from being taken against his target, not just killing actions.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 6, 2011 22:18:37 GMT -5
After going through what happened today, I cannot shrug the idea that the KidV bandwagon grew too quickly to be completely honest. #346 KidV votes for Bunny despite his claim, because of his self-protecting vote and for not trying to find Scum. #350 Renata calls KidV for double standards and votes for him. #351 Cookies votes KidV following Renata's logic without adding new arguments. #352 Sister Coyote votes KidV also without bringing new arguments. My issue with this is that it isn't clear-cut that KidV is scummy, and I don't think it's worthy of two "me too!" votes in a row from Cookies and Sister. When you think about it: It would be ballsy of KidV to be the first to react to bunny's pro-Town claim and vote for him without waiting to see what the trend would be. Good way to get in the spotlight, something a scum would want to avoid. Also, I think KidV is right, bunny is scummy for not bothering to look for scum I don't blame him for casting that vote. Thirdly, there's these 2 posts by KidV about not being happy that the hosts would help the scum with cover roles. Even though it was pointed out that one of these posts was done before he received his role PM, the 2nd one, I believe, points toward KidV's innocence. So despite all this, Cookies and Sister voted for KidV with a one-liner post, like it was a good case. I think it was rather an opportunity for the scum to place an easy vote with a case that looked great, but isn't so great, and coming from two players (Sis and Cookies) who had to unvotes a player who claimed a pro-Town role. The 2 posts made by Sister Coyote today are particularly devoid of commitment: Unvote: harmless little bunny [/color] [/quote] Vote: KidVermicious For the double-standard vote on HLB, mostly. She unvoted bunny without giving a reason, and then join the bandwagon on KidV with a simple "me too" argument. Isn't it strange that she is voting for KidV for seeing bunny scummy, when she was, herself, previously thinking the same thing? My first reaction when I see someone voting for a scummy player, is not to suspect him. Like I said, I understand KidV's vote and it didn't bother me, despite the pro-Town claim. It did seem to bother Sister Coyote though, it's almost like bunny became clean after his claim, and KidV is suspicious for voting him. She's also the only one who hasn't responded to my question about the rule posts made by KidV. Granted she may be busy with her game on Giraffe, but I would have liked to hear what she thought of these posts and it mattered in her logic. Bottom line, I think Sister needed a place to rest her vote after unvoting bunny, and Renata's case was the perfect opportunity. I think she's Scum. My vote will stay on her today, unless something big happens.
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