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Post by Natlaw on Jan 31, 2011 12:44:34 GMT -5
And now for something completely different..... Confirming I have received a town vanilla pm. *sigh* Care to explain why you felt compelled to tell us this? Yup, some motivation would be nice. Do you want a mass claim? Do want to WIFOM scum (like Pleonast reasoned I think)? Did you like the discussion about it in the games where Pleonast claimed like that? For those mentioning Idle I don't remember him claiming unprovoked like Pleonast has done the past several games. I remember Idle in C3 where he wanted to get lynched as scotsman to confirm his info, in ED2 he had an investigation result and felt exposed.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 31, 2011 13:02:27 GMT -5
The moderators helping to write roles on the fly would certainly helped last time I wrote a fake role (for scum Denethor as town investigator). A scum used it Day One but due to being too fancy with the powers and grammar errors it got ripped apart and the scum lynched. A more believable claim edited by the moderators might have prevented that lynch (perhaps not if they left in the fancy restriction I had made up). The town investigator wouldn't have claimed since it was Day One so the bad PM was definitely a big factor in the scum getting lynched. And to get some suspicions rolling: Mahaloth was moderator there and he finds it cool idea and Plankton was the scum that got lynched and he hasn't directly comment whether he like the idea or not. Note that the fake role PMs were all vanilla (just names really) and there were only four names for five scum. The offer to help write fake PM is definitely a plus for scum. I do understand the motivation to offer it but I hope it has been taken in account with the balancing as well. Hey, coming out of the gate with guns-a-blazin'...nice! I choose not to comment on whether or not I 'approve' of the mods' rules. They are the rules and if I am going to play this game, I must follow them. I choose to remain in the game under those rules, and that's all I will say on the matter. If you would like to find that Scummy, you are by all means entitled to do so.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 31, 2011 13:04:00 GMT -5
And now for something completely different..... Confirming I have received a town vanilla pm. *sigh* Care to explain why you felt compelled to tell us this? I think he just wanted the excuse to trot that line out...
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Post by BobArrgh on Jan 31, 2011 13:21:50 GMT -5
What's the over/under on the number of posts the topic of claiming Vanilla Town right out of the gate is going to generate?
And Burby, your avatar makes me laugh because I can hear him say, "I spartacus in your general direction!"
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Post by Renata on Jan 31, 2011 13:26:15 GMT -5
*sigh* Care to explain why you felt compelled to tell us this? Yup, some motivation would be nice. Do you want a mass claim? Do want to WIFOM scum (like Pleonast reasoned I think)? Did you like the discussion about it in the games where Pleonast claimed like that? For those mentioning Idle I don't remember him claiming unprovoked like Pleonast has done the past several games. I remember Idle in C3 where he wanted to get lynched as scotsman to confirm his info, in ED2 he had an investigation result and felt exposed. He has, actually. He claimed vanilla out of the gate in both the current Giraffe game and the current Dope game. He's still alive in both and I'm spoiled in one, so I can't comment further. He also did in sach's game, though there he wasn't precisely vanilla and did have a "reasonable" in-game motive.
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Post by sinjin on Jan 31, 2011 13:55:03 GMT -5
Got my role pm. Not sure how I stand on mod assistance for fake role pms. Hate when vanilla's claim unprovoked on day one if they are really vanilla. Am bemused by Mhaye grudging against the Horsie in his typical no grudges post.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 31, 2011 14:46:55 GMT -5
Nat's here, has role PM in hand. Ready to conquer~ Everybody break a leg - town - figuratively, mafia - literally. =) If you keep calling yourself "Nat" I'm going to call you Natlaw, after a player who was also called Nat. I foresee absolutely no problems with that. Yup, absolutely nothing could go wrong with that. :slaps Mahaloth with a trout:
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 31, 2011 14:47:31 GMT -5
Regarding the Mod-Written fake communication: I wholeheartedly support it. It keeps the focus off of "Oh, is this exactly the right color?" and it encourages the scum to be creative and bizarre, which is always fun, and it keeps townies from being semi-confirmed through PM postage.
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Post by texcat on Jan 31, 2011 16:02:01 GMT -5
I like the idea of the mod-aided claims. I presume that the mods would also help townies write fake PMs if asked. It does not come up very often, but I could see some point where a town role might want to claim something other than their role.
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Post by Romola on Jan 31, 2011 16:19:03 GMT -5
To reproduce an authentic looking 'Ullz' PM would take a familiarity with her style and idiosyncrasies as well as considerable imaginative and writing skills. Where the game rules allow the posting of PMs, it would create an imbalance to refuse to assist with fakes.
This is the 3rd game I've played with this arrangement and I agree with it. I haven't checked with this game yet, but the previous games allowed for fake PMs to be written for Town and 3rd Party players as well as scum.
NETA I am having problems posting. I've rewritten this twice and got WPOD. I hope it goes ok this time.
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Post by Romola on Jan 31, 2011 16:34:20 GMT -5
Question for BillMc: Bill, I never played with KidVermicious before, but you played in Ullz Jane Austen and Dark Knight games on Giraffe, which also had fake PM's available. I can't remember any discussion or objection to it in either of those games but may be mistaken. Have you always disliked the practice or can you point to any game where it created an imbalance? I have grown to think of this as a feature of Ullz games and I am noting your objection in the confirmation thread.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 31, 2011 16:42:26 GMT -5
Confirming. I like the idea of the mod-aided claims. I presume that the mods would also help townies write fake PMs if asked. It does not come up very often, but I could see some point where a town role might want to claim something other than their role. This. I've been a Townie who adjusted my PM when claiming, I believe on more than one occasion, but definitely at least in the first Evil Dead game. I can commiserate with both sides of the argument, but Suburban said it well. Them's the rules I've agreed to play under, and I'm playing to the best of my ability under them and hope everyone else is doing the same.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 31, 2011 17:24:45 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Question for BillMc: Bill, I never played with KidVermicious before, but you played in Ullz Jane Austen and Dark Knight games on Giraffe, which also had fake PM's available. I can't remember any discussion or objection to it in either of those games but may be mistaken. Have you always disliked the practice or can you point to any game where it created an imbalance? I have grown to think of this as a feature of Ullz games and I am noting your objection in the confirmation thread. I think the difference is between having them already pre-formed, "out there," as it were, versus offering to make or help make them on the fly. I don't have any reason to object to any of the rules, and although I find it wearying and counter-productive I have given up with identifying Day One claims as anything other than a null tell. Also, if we catch someone in a lie of commission (rather than a lie of omission), we should probably consider lynching them sooner rather than later. I am completely kidnapping the Final Vote concept for the game I'm trying to balance right now.
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Post by Romola on Jan 31, 2011 17:41:44 GMT -5
Ed had one done 'on the fly' as it were, in the Jane Austen game, and the offer was there in the Batman game too. I just don't remember it being controversial at the time.
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Post by Romola on Jan 31, 2011 17:50:17 GMT -5
NETA, I may have been mistaken, or there may have been something in those games that put Bill off the idea. I would still be interested to know what caused the change of heart, if there has been one.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 31, 2011 17:56:23 GMT -5
... although I find it wearying and counter-productive I have given up with identifying Day One claims as anything other than a null tell. Assuming we're talking about the recent trend of 'first post' claims, I agree completely with this sentiment. Late Day One claims (made under lynch pressure, for example) are potentially another issue, but I'm pretty sure that's not what SisC was referring to here.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 31, 2011 18:30:32 GMT -5
... although I find it wearying and counter-productive I have given up with identifying Day One claims as anything other than a null tell. Assuming we're talking about the recent trend of 'first post' claims, I agree completely with this sentiment. Late Day One claims (made under lynch pressure, for example) are potentially another issue, but I'm pretty sure that's not what SisC was referring to here. Yes, sorry, the early Unprovoked Day One Claims are exactly what I'm talking about. I should have been clearer, sorry -- I blame Ed.
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Post by special on Jan 31, 2011 18:42:00 GMT -5
The rules forbid blaming the Mods. And if they don't I'll edit them so that they will. However, you may fantasize about blaming me.
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 18:43:18 GMT -5
I don't see the problem of a mod-generated PM during the game. My experience is limited to this board and in each of the games I've played there have been different rules regarding PMs: like "no direct quoting PMS", or "no discussing PMs" to "quote PMs to your heart's content." What it boils down to is whether a player is telling the truth, and if they slip in their reveal then it's off with their head. While I'm not one to doubt the ability of the mods to be creative I'm considering whether they can pull it off: if you want to trust Mr Ed or the lovely Ullz to assist in your deception, you have much more faith in their acumen as Mafiates than me. Regardless of my alignment, I'd rather stick with my original PM than risk a quickie modjob that might have holes in it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 31, 2011 18:43:27 GMT -5
But I'm not blaming you as a Mod, I'm blaming you as a player in an entirely separate game...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 31, 2011 18:44:17 GMT -5
/me shakes puny fist at timmy.
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 18:47:04 GMT -5
Would you mind terribly if I called you..... Tim? Normally, not. However, since Ed has appropriated the only suitable avatar for a character named "Tim" I may be disinclined to answer to that. However, I will answer to "Timmy." ;D
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 18:49:47 GMT -5
/me shakes puny fist at timmy. Stop getting in the way of my monologuing!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 31, 2011 18:51:57 GMT -5
Would you mind terribly if I called you..... Tim? Normally, not. However, since Ed has appropriated the only suitable avatar for a character named "Tim" I may be disinclined to answer to that. However, I will answer to "Timmy." ;D I guess that'll work. Good thing, too, because I can't just call you "Man"...
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 18:59:20 GMT -5
Yup, some motivation would be nice. Do you want a mass claim? Do want to WIFOM scum (like Pleonast reasoned I think)? Did you like the discussion about it in the games where Pleonast claimed like that? Do we have two Nat's here? This will get interesting. Not as much as having two Meekos in game, but... I don't care much for early claims (especially Day One, unprovoked claims). I can't see how a mass claim would produce anything but a chorus of "I'm Vanilla Town", which we all assume to be false until a lynch proves otherwise. [oog]I've been on this board for over a year and I never knew there was a player actually named Idle... I assumed it was just a name given to the board. [/oog]
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 19:00:22 GMT -5
Normally, not. However, since Ed has appropriated the only suitable avatar for a character named "Tim" I may be disinclined to answer to that. However, I will answer to "Timmy." ;D I guess that'll work. Good thing, too, because I can't just call you "Man"... And don't call me "Dennis", either.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 31, 2011 19:02:12 GMT -5
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 19:05:48 GMT -5
I just looked at the User lists... color me :kiss:
And he just participated in a recent game. I don't know where I've been, not to notice that.
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Post by timmy on Jan 31, 2011 19:06:24 GMT -5
I just looked at the User lists... color me :kiss: And he just participated in a recent game. I don't know where I've been, not to notice that. ETA: "kiss" was meant to be
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Post by Red Skeezix on Jan 31, 2011 19:25:15 GMT -5
I don't know if i'm actually in favor of the scums having any advantages at all. But I do see the advantage in knowing that they will have fake claims, it will save us one usually fruitless discussion about whether a mass name claim will give us any useful information.
Furthermore, i don't see the moderator giving fake claims on demand as being substantially different than having them pre written before the game starts, i mean when you're on the scum team you generally just take the claims and then tailor them to what you need when it's claim time anyways. At least that's what I do when I'm scum.
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