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Post by LightFoot on Apr 14, 2011 17:15:52 GMT -5
I see Surburban P read it too
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Post by Renata on Apr 14, 2011 17:34:16 GMT -5
unvote[/color]
due to the similarities; I need to think through the implications and can't do that at this time of day.
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Post by septimus on Apr 14, 2011 17:33:56 GMT -5
... I don't like the case on Septimus.... Most of the remaining votes on him seem to be for weak reasoning. It doesn't affect the Day 3 scum hunt, so respond at your leisure; but I'd like you to clarify this. "[F]or weak reasoning" seems to be a euphemism for "how could a true Townie be so stupid?", but I don't know what specific mistakes I made besides over-confidence that my claims would be believed. As for you, special ed; I do apologize if you're Townie. In fact, maybe both you and suburban are on the same team -- similarity in PM's might suggest that. Consider it therefore purely a compliment to your playing skills if I still don't rule out ed and planks both being Scum. Several alleged role PM's, or excerpts therefrom, are being entered in the record. Surely some Townies are drawing inferences. But what?
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Post by septimus on Apr 14, 2011 17:43:52 GMT -5
[/color][/size] ... [/quote] Well, sooner or later someone is asking to ask this, so I'll do it now. (To wait till the Night Thread would be a rule violation.) Renata, are you sure your wincon doesn't require an unusually large number of votes and unvotes?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 14, 2011 17:44:26 GMT -5
I'd really like to hear from MentalGuy again right about now... Here are several of his posts where he talks about his PM and his 'abilities' I don't know why, but I do know that Daphne can be kidnapped and I know that her location could be important. My PM says that one of the ways that I can help Town win is by finding Daphne after she has been kidnapped. I only have a chance of finding her each day. It does say the sooner I find her, the better off Town will be. It does not say explicitly that Daphne is Town, but I think it is strongly implied. There are two things I can search for. One of them is Daphne after she has been kidnapped and my PM did mention her name specifically. The other is the non-Daphne part of my PM that I did not reveal, but I cannot find missing dogs. I can substantiate that Daphne's location is key should she be kidnapped. There was nothing in my PM concerning any time element, as the second quote above seems to imply. My PM also does not explicitly state that Daphne is Town, but since I am Town and my role is to rescue her, I think that strongly implies that 'rescuing Daphne' is good for Town. I appear to only be able to search for one thing, that being Daphne; I have no idea what the second thing is that MentalGuy refers to.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 14, 2011 19:57:23 GMT -5
ok, I am trying to get all this straight.
Ed is claiming to be Daphne who can be kidnapped
MentalGuy is claiming to be the person that can rescue Daphne
Septimus is claiming to be able to pass Scooby Snacks secretly be it night or day. Still not sure what the snacks are used for
Suburban Planton is claiming that he can rescue Daphne as well. Not a counter claim to MentalGuy but a partner in rescuing.
anyone claim the Easter Bunny yet? Kidding....
I am not sure who to believe and who not to... I may change my vote to something more worthwhile than Cap. Pinkies...
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Post by julie on Apr 14, 2011 20:07:23 GMT -5
I would have done this earlier but my file crashed and I lost day 3. BAH!
There are just under 18 hours to end of Day 3.
Vote Count:
*Suburban Plankton: 6 (gnarlycharlie 184, BobArrgh 190, Sister Coyote 191, Idle Thoughts 254, septimus 261, Special Ed 264)
septimus: 1 (MentalGuy 151)
greedy smurf: 1 (LightFoot 149)
Renata: 1 (Suburban Plankton 216)
Captain Pinkies: 1 (Scuzzlebutt 240)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Idle Thoughts: +1 (Special Ed 5)
gnarlycharlie: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Joanie: +1 (Special Ed 5)
Renata: +1 (Special Ed 5)
BobArrgh: +1 (scuzzlebutt 80)
gnarlycharlie: +1 (BobArggh 105)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 14, 2011 20:13:36 GMT -5
First I want to apologize for not being able to respond to this claim as quickly as I (and we all) would have liked. I saw it right as I was leaving for work, and between mowing, fixing supper, etc. this is the first chance I have had to respond. I find Suburban's claim plausible and with the similar phrasing to Ed's, I find it likely to be true. As I have said, I am a maid. If Daphne is kidnapped, then I can submit a list of 3 "rooms" from a choice of 9 each Day to search for her. All I was told is that the sooner I find her the better. I assumed that if I found her, she would be freed, but that is not specified in my role PM. Even though it reveals a bit more than I wanted to I am going to post my entire role PM: Scooby Doo Role « Message sent on Mar 26, 2011, 8:03pm » You are Bambi. No, not a white tailed fawn. You are a hotel Maid and you are very good at paying attention to your surroundings. Normally, you just do the sorts of things maids do, but there are two potential times when you will use your powers of observation to help Town win via defeating all of the Scum. Daphne may be kidnapped. Velma may lose her glasses. If either of these happen, you may submit a list of three rooms you wish to search during that Day for either, or both. The sooner you find the missing, the better off Town will be. Which is good for you because you are Town and win when Scum is eradicated. The possible rooms are: library ballroom attic garage drawing room billiards room wine cellar greenhouse gazebo Please check in: psychopathgame.proboards.com/inde....ati&thread=1599
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 14, 2011 21:22:38 GMT -5
Incase I don't get back (I will be at work during the 11th hour) I must unvote
It was a poke vote of sorts anyway (and where th heck is that guy?)
With what I have learned about this game and seen I feel that
vote scuzzlebutt is what I shall do how I got here......... scuzzlebutt "played "nice" at me ( because we played our first game together)
Not being as involved ( I'm guessing a first time SCUM would do that)
The current vote leaders have claims that make some sense to me and I see that scuzzlebutt 1. edited Day 1 (can't vote) 2. D2 followed Storyteller bussing (is that the right term?) on FCOD 3. D3 Happy birthday ( will not be involved with this DAY)
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 14, 2011 23:17:45 GMT -5
Unvote: Suburban Plankton Although I swear I'm having the feeling Scum are playing us. Nonetheless; I am inclined to believe Mental Guy at this point, and his role PM brings back to me the idea that location actually does matter in this game. Julie, in the library, with the AIIIIUGH.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 14, 2011 23:23:34 GMT -5
... I don't like the case on Septimus.... Most of the remaining votes on him seem to be for weak reasoning. It doesn't affect the Day 3 scum hunt, so respond at your leisure; but I'd like you to clarify this. "[F]or weak reasoning" seems to be a euphemism for "how could a true Townie be so stupid?", but I don't know what specific mistakes I made besides over-confidence that my claims would be believed. Exactly. Am I missing something here? I'm agreeing with you. No idea what to think of Sub P's claim,...but it seems an awful lot of this game is focused around Daphne. If all claims are true, there also seems to be a hellava lot in place to keep the character safe.
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Post by special on Apr 14, 2011 23:29:36 GMT -5
you know, I'm really thinking about the phrasing of suburban's claim. Here's a snippet of mine, What does everyone else think? Ed, your PM says " you will receive clues to your whereabouts"? Meaning that you wouldn't know where you were being held if you were kidnapped? Or you don't know where you are now? I assume I'm in the hotel. Were I to be kidnapped, I'm certain that I would have some limited communication with someone. It might be possible to figure out wehre I was being held in those circumstances. At least that's my understanding. my whereabouts might be important to my rescuer.
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Post by special on Apr 14, 2011 23:30:20 GMT -5
you know, I'm really thinking about the phrasing of suburban's claim. Here's a snippet of mine, What does everyone else think? ODD Why would ‘you’ need to know where ‘you’ are? If kidnapped and SCUM can control your vote – You can still communicate ? Give clues to your rescuers? That just struck me odd? And I too look forward to Mental ‘s two cents on this one Kidnapping will not impact my ability to participate in the game thread. and it might allow me some other communication as well.
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Post by special on Apr 14, 2011 23:37:14 GMT -5
Unvote: Suburban Plankton Vote: Renata
for lack of a better idea right now. And for other unspecified reasons.
After hearing from mental Guy, it's all coming into place.
I'm not saying someone involved here isn't Scum, but here is my complete role PM
Renata? your thoughts?
PS. I'm drunk. lost our first softball game of the season via the slaughter rule.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 14, 2011 23:43:35 GMT -5
It could be an EPIC SCUM plan (has that been done before?) But I am NOT feeling that. My vote and my reasoning stands.
Dinner and pillow for me. If possible I shall return before the 11th hour
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 15, 2011 0:20:10 GMT -5
[/color][/size] ... [/quote] Well, sooner or later someone is asking to ask this, so I'll do it now. (To wait till the Night Thread would be a rule violation.) Renata, are you sure your wincon doesn't require an unusually large number of votes and unvotes?[/quote] you may actually something there. perhaps renata is a 3rd party schizophrenic and part of her role is to act like one. in the meantime i need to think who to vote for if SP is Town. Unvote Suburban Plankton
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Post by septimus on Apr 15, 2011 0:59:30 GMT -5
Corrections always welcome. My Snack from BobArggh keeps disappearing! Can we just hide it in your stash? Transfer 1 Snack to JulieSpeaking of Snacks and suburban, I'll repeat my earlier offer: First demonstrate Towniness with Snack transfers, then I'll consider lifting my Lynch vote.
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Post by septimus on Apr 15, 2011 1:18:39 GMT -5
I don't know what to make of the three quick role claims. Is someone lying?
Posting (soon!) any accompanying role-clarification PM's (as I did when I posted role PM) might be a good challenge to claimants, to help Townies evaluate sincerity.
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Post by guiri on Apr 15, 2011 4:36:43 GMT -5
Wow. Lots of claims. I'll try to summarize the information that is now publicly available:
Special, Daphne, may be kidnapped Suburban, Frank, will receive clues to find Daphne Someone else, Velma, may lose her glasses Mental, Bambi, can search 3 rooms per Day to find either Daphne or Velma's glasses Inner, Prudence, probably had a similar power to Mental FCoD was a Dog Catcher Romanic was a Dog Trainer Septimus is a dog although Scooby is probably here too
Special has a limited amount of secret communication with another player, presumably Suburban, although Suburban's PM only mentions that he'll get some clues. Special's PM seems to indicate that only one other player can find Daphne and set her free however Suburban's PM mentions that other players may help him find Daphne, Inner didn't counter-claim Mental
In addition we have the following claims: Septimus, Yabba-Doo, can send snacks and could receive advice from Bill Scuzzlebutt, Lily McGee, no claimed power Pinkies, Neville Strangeways, no claimed power
Other characters we can expect to see include: Velma, Scooby and probably Fred (assuming claims are true, from the subset: Sister, Bob, Idle, Charlie, Greedy, Joanie, Renata, Lightfoot, Guiri)
Lightfoot, no name, Scotsman
Other roles we can expect to see include: 1+ masons, 2+ scum, 1+ vig/sk (assuming claims are true, from the subset: Sister, Bob, Idle, Charlie, Greedy, Scuzzlebutt, Joanie, Pinkies, Renata, Guiri)
I suspect there's scum among Bob, Idle, Charlie, Greedy, Joanie, Renata, Scuzzlebutt, Pinkies.
Vote Bob
- His lack of comment on FCoD in D2#257 when he was the vote leader, actually he wrote "(?)" - His comment about Paranoia leaving clues about the other masons (same post) - His gloating (D3#1) and backtrack - His approach to Septimus in D3#70, #75, #147 contrasts with his comments in #190, a vote post which set off a number of alarm bells: * A snuggle of Special, presumed Town * His comments on the "one-shot" element of Septimus's claim shows he's not reading for comprehension * His vote on Suburban just because he didn't agree with Suburban's case on Septimus * His throwaway comment on me - He's been asked twice to explain his reasons for voting Suburban and for being seriously pinged by me but has yet to respond despite promising to do so (#242) and posting 3 times since (#250, #251, #263) - His request to a possible vig to kill one of the non-participants/lurkers. Given that Story was killed last Night, scum would prefer a possible vig to focus on lurkers - His only comment in response to Suburban's claim, the player he's voting for, was to point out that one of my posts was cut off
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 7:35:32 GMT -5
Renata? your thoughts? PS. I'm drunk. lost our first softball game of the season via the slaughter rule. Sorry to hear that. I could wish you weren't voting for me. Other than that, you, Mental and SP all fit together too nicely for me to vote any of you at this point and so I won't. vote: Joanie[/color] Back to that for now, though I want to look at Guiri's case against Bob and also think about gnarlycharlie some more. And for anyone who's seriously thinking my voting patterns indicate some sort of weird ulterior motive, just -- stop, please. Good lord. I'm about at the point of joining the LightFoot/Septimus "I'm am town, I am town, I am obviously town" chorus, and nobody wants that. For one thing, my voice is terrible.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 15, 2011 7:37:53 GMT -5
so much to digest. i think i'll take a short nap and get back in here. i've had a LONG day. today was the deadline for filing income tax returns and i had to redo my forms since the there were changes in the tax laws and i thought i wouldn't finish on time.
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 7:38:38 GMT -5
Guiri, if you have time, can you copy any of those Bob posts here? Particularly day 2 257 and day 3 Septimus-related ones. I remember the rest.
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Post by guiri on Apr 15, 2011 7:43:34 GMT -5
Guiri, if you have time, can you copy any of those Bob posts here? Particularly day 2 257 and day 3 Septimus-related ones. I remember the rest. Here: These are the notes I took as I was catching up. They may not make any sense, but part of that is just my stream-of-consciousness style of writing. Apologies in advance if it bugs you. Archangel's VotersVoted by: BillMc (town) -- no help there. Ed (claimed Daphne [Miller]) MentalGuy (claimed power for rescuing Daphne if she's kidnapped) FCOD (?) Ed and MentalGuyI think I believe Ed's claim, and by extension, MentalGuy's. Don't like Ed's vote for himself on D1. Red herring? PeekerMIA. I hope he is OK. Ed, Lightfoot, and PinkiesThis has exhausted so much investigative time. Hardly substantive, and really exasperating. Mostly all sniping over nothing? Smarmy Pinkies, especially ... totally uninvolved, lethargic, and apathetic. Nobody's doubting vigorous interchange of Lightfoot, Ed. Terribly aggravated. Lightfoot is very evasive. Lightfoot is either a confused Townie or a scummy Scum. If she's Scum, though, her ScumBuddies will probably kill her just to shut her up. Only 2nd game with Pinkies, but this seems to be his MO. Will he participate more starting on D3? As usual, Ed is loud. Still smarting over the way he totally ran circles around us in Dr. Seuss. Tend to believe his claim, though. ParanoiaIs he the same person as "Soundly Paranoid" from Giraffe? He was a Mason ... did he lay any clues as to other Masons? MahalothNo vote on D1. What's up with that? Not much participation. Probably why he asked to be subbed. Guiri and RenataGood golly ... walls and walls and walls of text. Oy. FCOD, Joanie, GnarlyCharlie, Inner Stickler, and SisCoyoteReread tomorrow. I'm sure I've missed one or two people, but I'll have more tomorrow. @ Septimus: Regarding your comments to Ed in D3 #27, you seem to be poking him with a stick because he put his name in blue to signify Town. If I recall correctly, Ed said that his is a "Miller-type" role. It is my understanding that a Miller is a Townie for whom an investigation comes back as Scum. Right now, Septimus, you seem to be banging the "I'm a Townie" drum rather loudly. @ Septimus: I hope your RL issues are not too serious. I'd really like to hear more (or something) about your mysterious power. @ Septimus: So I guess we aren't going to get the answers to the questions that have been asked? Bummer.
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 7:47:47 GMT -5
Didn't bob have one other late day 2 post, after the claim from FCOD?
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 7:50:55 GMT -5
Today's post 190, which Guiri didn't include: @ Ed: I have to admit I'm impressed you did all that quoting correctly. Regarding Septimus, I just re-read all his posts from the time he claimed, and I couldn't find the reference to his power being a "one-shot" kind of thing, but I seem to recall that there was an implication that it was. Anyway, in regards to it being a one-shot kind of thing, it could be that he meant "being advised at Night" was the one-shot thing, given that the Town Adviser is out of the game. So far this game, we have had two elaborate claims: one from FCoD and one from Septimus. Even though I was wrong on a significant aspect of FCoD's claim, I still thought the whole thing smelled fishy. However, I don't get the same ping from Septimus' claim. I think Septimus is telling the truth. Give 1 Scooby Snack to SeptimusPersonally, I think that Suburban Plankton was really trying to spread the WIFOM, in the absolute truest sense of the phrase. I know he might have been joking, but it just seems too over-the-top, to me. Perhaps he might have needed a smiley face there. Regardless of whether or not Burby was joking, I'm not buying his case on Septimus. I'm also getting seriously pinged Guiri for the same case. Vote Suburban Plankton
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Post by guiri on Apr 15, 2011 7:56:05 GMT -5
Didn't bob have one other late day 2 post, after the claim from FCOD? Yeah, his post claim vote: [fluff] I simply cannot let this opportunity go by without remarking on FCoD's claimed name. I believe this comes from an English pantomime play called "Mother Goose": Is that Hortense? I don't know ... she looks pretty relaxed to me. ;D [/fluff] On a more serious note, I am a little bugged by a few things in FCoD's post. 1. The extremely late claim. I know meatspace gets in the way and all that, but perhaps a little more lead time before claiming might have been a little more useful. 2. The choice of Mental Guy as a target. This is just my take on the whole Daphne thing, but I think it might have been better to watch Ed rather than Mental Guy. 3. The difference of spelling between "Hortense Green" and "Hortense Greene". I know this is seriously a fuzzy "metagame" thing, but everything I've seen of Julie's writing so far indicates that she is very particular about word choice, grammar, and spelling. I don't think she would have made a mistake like that. 4. The format of the purported PM with the title of "Hortense Green, Topiary-Investigator". The Sample PMs do not have a title, and my PM does not have a title. In fact, my PM looks like it was the exact copy that Julie sent to Mahaloth, with his name crossed out and mine inserted. I think FCoD wrote the PM himself. None of these by itself is enough to make me vote for FCoD, but taken together, I think they add up to something. Plus, I agree with the cases assertions made by others regarding FCoD. I realize it looks suspicious as all get-out voting for someone who is a claimed Town Cop/Watcher, but so be it. Vote FCoD And one other: @ GnarlyCharlie: Thanks. @ Renata: This may sound really strange coming from me, but I actually agree with what you said in post #310: I may have mentioned it before -- oh, once, twice, maybe three or twenty times -- how little I enjoy decisions coming down to who has a comma in the right place in their role PM and who does not. It's not fun. I hated to bring it up, and if it had been the only thing I had noticed, I wouldn't have said anything.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 15, 2011 8:06:42 GMT -5
@Guiri: My D2 #257 post was a result of my first reading after I subbed in. My "(?)" for FCoD was specifically as it applied to the people who voted for Archangel.
As I said in D3 #190, I voted for Burby because I felt he was trying to spread the WIFOM too thickly.
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Post by Joanie on Apr 15, 2011 8:20:04 GMT -5
I'm sure this is going to get me in a heap of troble but
VOTE RENATA
I\m exhausted and just can't be bothered to explain anything right now. My hubby has 1/2 an hour so I am going for a nap.
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 8:27:55 GMT -5
But you said you would comment on FCOD (among several other people) and never did.
Further, of everyone who was in vote trouble at that time: FCOD: no comments pre-claim Septimus: no comments at all that day LightFoot: gets the classic "scummy scum or scummy Town" lots-of-words-to-say-nothing treatment
In the context of the day, it looks hugely avoidant.
Other things I find convincing in Guiri's case: -- your first comment today. The emotion is backwards for town, who would have been expected to be elated at the death of scum watcher (whatever else happened), but appropriate for scum. -- your stirring of the pot against Septimus ("I'm a townie", "no answers to questions, bummer") without a vote attached, contrasted to your own failure to answer a direct question that was asked of you
And some things Guiri didn't address directly -- using the Princess Bride thing as a reason to vote SP. Of all possible justifications there could have been, you went for "he acted weird" -- that's a scum tell to me. -- a few instances of "off" wording in the post-FCOD claim post. (Better to watch Ed than Mental Guy? Sort of misses the point of the criticism. Looks suspicious to vote him? Well no, not really, especially not by that point. Looks fake.
Finally, I'm of mixed opinion regarding the specific criticisms laid against FCOD's claim (besides the Ed thing just mentioned, and the lateness thing, which is almost a non-tell.) None of it has anything to do with what FCOD ever DID. It's all mechanical, spelling and format stuff. Which makes it an easy way to bus. On the other hand, if a scum-Bob was aware of all of these problems within a short time of FCOD's claim, why'd FCOD ever put out such a crappy claim in the first place? I can't quite make it all fit.
So I'm in a similar position as with gnarlycharlie: lots and lots of pings, with one tiny detail that doesn't quite fit as coming from scum. I'm very tempted to vote for you over him or Julie (net negative feeling, but so very little to go on) purely as a check on *Guiri* -- the guy has such divine town instincts and hasn't actually caught a scum yet. I'd very much like to see if he's right, here.
What the hell. unvote[/color] vote: BobArrgh[/color]
Somebody somewhere is laughing their butt off at me, surely.
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Post by Renata on Apr 15, 2011 8:28:51 GMT -5
I'm sure this is going to get me in a heap of troble but VOTE RENATAI\m exhausted and just can't be bothered to explain anything right now. My hubby has 1/2 an hour so I am going for a nap. ... Yeah ok. I'm taking a break.
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