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Post by CatInASuit on May 13, 2011 10:13:59 GMT -5
Welcome Ma'at.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 13, 2011 10:21:50 GMT -5
Putting in my two cents on Captain, I have to agree with the mob. If Captain could post the PM for his purchased vote, then he could post his PM. He already did. What he hasn't done is post his role PM. if i read Colby's post correctly, that's what he meant.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 13, 2011 10:23:53 GMT -5
hi Ma'at. pipe in soon.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 13, 2011 10:24:33 GMT -5
Putting in my two cents on Captain, I have to agree with the mob. If Captain could post the PM for his purchased vote, then he could post his PM. He already did. What he hasn't done is post his role PM. I suggest reading colby's post again. The point is that if he could post his vote PM accurately, why did he not post his role PM at the same time as well. If he was town, he should know that if he was going to claim a role, then posting his role PM is pretty much mandatory in these situations. Just saying "I AM VANILLA TOWN", isn't acceptable. Especially when it looks like the next thing he does is post a PM from the mods. which is why I now think he is scum.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 13, 2011 10:25:32 GMT -5
He already did. What he hasn't done is post his role PM. if i read Colby's post correctly, that's what he meant. I see. My mistake.
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Post by Colby11 on May 13, 2011 10:41:31 GMT -5
Sorry.. To clarify, I meant that if Captain could post his PM about his purchased vote, then he could post his PM about his role.
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 10:43:08 GMT -5
I've been in a defensive position in this game from the start, mostly due to my playstyle. Not the best circumstances under which to hunt scum. Fluiddruid was the player who looked scummiest to me and so I voted her. Finding out she's a PFK is a good thing, to me, because I believe they hurt town, so she's a decent Day Two lynch. I have suspicions on other players but they are almost entirely for metagame reasons, which is lame. I will reread again and list who I find suspicious and why, but right now I am getting way more "probably town" reads than "probably scum" reads. And, I've seen Pinkies lynched over and over again as town because of his playstyle. Last game I played with him apart from any current games was Scooby Doo. I was convinced he was scum then on Day One, and I was right. I am just not feeling it here. I'm confused, then. You said you were off to hunt scum at one point but now you are saying that from the beginning of this game, your style of play is not good for scum hunting. So in addition to your excuses for why your play looks suspicious, you now have an excuse for why you cannot hunt scum. The fact that you cannot find any scum (which is my interpretation of your comment that most players are coming up "probably town" for you) makes you look even more suspicious to me. How many times have we heard scum say "no one looks scummy to me"? If you feel that way, so be it. I just wish people would remember 9 times out of 10, people making illogical statements are mostly TOWN making mistakes. Scum are much more careful about every word they say because they have something to hide. I wasn't saying my playstyle isn't good for catching scum, I was saying my being on the defensive from the start isn't good for catching scum. (Yes, I am often on the defensive from the start. But as noted previously, I am not at my full capacity right now.) At any rate, I don't suspect I'll change your mind until I die and flip town so there's no point in continuing this. You find me scummy, your vote is on me, that's fine, and we both should go look at other people now. (You're not pinging me in any way, as I don't find anything you've said unreasonable.) I am coming back with a short list of suspicions within the next hour.
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Post by Ma'at on May 13, 2011 10:47:27 GMT -5
Hi All,
As Sister Coyote mentioned, I’m subbing in for Paranoia. The good news is, I’ve been reading the board this whole time, so not a lot of catching up to do. The bad news is, posting my thoughts is what makes me remember them, so my memories of day 1 and day 2 are somewhat hazy (other than the few pages of Day 2 I read last night). Unless it’s needed, I probably won’t put in a vote today, just because there are only a few hours left and I want to get my bearings (what time does Day end today, anyway?)
Here are the thoughts I remember as I’ve been reading over the last two days.
I’m fine with the current lynch leader (pinkies) getting voted off today – I agree with those that have pointed out his actions are very anti-town. The posts regarding his reluctance to post his role in Scooby Doo (which he then botched, according to the post) are significant, in my opinion, since he ended up being scum. I think there was a post saying that there was also another game where he didn’t want to post his role and was also scum (something about Templars, I think). Since he is again reluctant to post his role, this points to scum to me.
I’m suspicious of ArchAngel’s 3rd party comments – she has a mental block on them, always forgets about them being in games, and yet the previous game she just modded (everafter) had a 3rd party. So, seems odd to me (I think Ginger made a similar comment, if I remember correctly)
Colby also seems very suspicious to me, maybe more so than ArchAngel. Others have mentioned reasons, so I have nothing new to add, but unfortunately I can’t remember specifics at the moment (will have to go back and re-read and will post them in D3 if he continues to make me suspicious.).
I have a very busy day of work ahead, so I probably won’t be on much, although will try to check back to see if anyone answers my question about end of Day, so that I know what time it is, and will then try to be here around that time (to see if I need to place a vote).
Ma’at (aka Alethea)
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 13, 2011 11:00:25 GMT -5
Vote Count will be updated as soon as Renata has a look over it.
toDay will end in approximately nine hours
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 13, 2011 11:02:51 GMT -5
Hi All, As Sister Coyote mentioned, I’m subbing in for Paranoia. The good news is, I’ve been reading the board this whole time, so not a lot of catching up to do. The bad news is, posting my thoughts is what makes me remember them, so my memories of day 1 and day 2 are somewhat hazy (other than the few pages of Day 2 I read last night). Unless it’s needed, I probably won’t put in a vote today, just because there are only a few hours left and I want to get my bearings (what time does Day end today, anyway?) Here are the thoughts I remember as I’ve been reading over the last two days. I’m fine with the current lynch leader ( pinkies) getting voted off today – I agree with those that have pointed out his actions are very anti-town. The posts regarding his reluctance to post his role in Scooby Doo (which he then botched, according to the post) are significant, in my opinion, since he ended up being scum. I think there was a post saying that there was also another game where he didn’t want to post his role and was also scum (something about Templars, I think). Since he is again reluctant to post his role, this points to scum to me. I’m suspicious of ArchAngel’s 3rd party comments – she has a mental block on them, always forgets about them being in games, and yet the previous game she just modded (everafter) had a 3rd party. So, seems odd to me (I think Ginger made a similar comment, if I remember correctly) Colby also seems very suspicious to me, maybe more so than ArchAngel. Others have mentioned reasons, so I have nothing new to add, but unfortunately I can’t remember specifics at the moment (will have to go back and re-read and will post them in D3 if he continues to make me suspicious.). I have a very busy day of work ahead, so I probably won’t be on much, although will try to check back to see if anyone answers my question about end of Day, so that I know what time it is, and will then try to be here around that time (to see if I need to place a vote). Ma’at (aka Alethea) WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!
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Post by Colby11 on May 13, 2011 11:05:35 GMT -5
Welcome Ma'at!!!
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Post by Colby11 on May 13, 2011 11:11:06 GMT -5
And this is the last post that I'm making today. I have to do a major cleaning up of my house
I think that Captain should have posted his PM about his role. That just looks worse for Captain, so with that Vote: Captain
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 13, 2011 11:13:07 GMT -5
Alethea from FB? glad you could join us.
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Post by BillMc on May 13, 2011 11:19:53 GMT -5
Pinkies is playing pretty much the usual way he plays when he is vanilla, and his play style is anti-town.
The fact that he has an apparent forced vote for archangel is a null tell wrt to archangels alignment
Fluid appears to be withholding something, her story doesnt quite seem right - she says she has no knowledge of a penalty vote against her.
So if the mod is not saying it is a penalty vote, then that would give us a 4th role that is apparently tampering with the vote
- whoever forced Pinkies (if truthful) - Fluid's role - SP's role - whoever put the extra vote on Fluid
It just doesn't scan - too many people capable of apparently influencing the vote
Vote: vote fluid
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 11:42:33 GMT -5
Welcome Ma'at. My cable is being fixed so I am posting from phone. Please excuse typos.
After rereading Dirx and MHaye are at the top of my possibly scum list. Both have posted mostly on game mechanics. Dirx has made a couple of one-line comments that look like smudges to me. And both had one-off votes on people yesterday that were in no danger of getting lynched.
My other suspicions are metagamey and not strong so for now I am keeping my vote on Fluiddruid.
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 11:43:49 GMT -5
(Damn, my joke was lost. Started the post saying after rereading the person I found most suspicious was Renata.)
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Post by special on May 13, 2011 11:43:58 GMT -5
Pinkies is playing pretty much the usual way he plays when he is vanilla, and his play style is anti-town. The fact that he has an apparent forced vote for archangel is a null tell wrt to archangels alignment Fluid appears to be withholding something, her story doesnt quite seem right - she says she has no knowledge of a penalty vote against her. So if the mod is not saying it is a penalty vote, then that would give us a 4th role that is apparently tampering with the vote - whoever forced Pinkies (if truthful) - Fluid's role - SP's role - whoever put the extra vote on Fluid It just doesn't scan - too many people capable of apparently influencing the vote Vote: vote fluid [/color][/quote] It's Day 2! *runs up and gives Bill a big hug
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 13, 2011 11:52:43 GMT -5
It's Day 2! *runs up and gives Bill a big hug ha ha ha! welcome to Day 2.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 13, 2011 12:29:11 GMT -5
Hello Ma'at. Welcome to the game. I think you should vote. If you don't vote, and the Mafia or kill you Tonight (assuming they can) - or indeed any one else with a kill power - then all we'll have are words with no actions to back them up. Voting is an extra bit of data which might come in handy some way down the road. On Captain Pinkies. I see he has claimed. However, he hasn't provided a role PM, which could be an indication that he's still got something to hide. On the other hand, in the situation the Captain was in, there's no point in claiming vanilla Town if you're nonTown since no-one's going to unvote you for claiming Vanilla. On the gripping hand, speaking personally, vanilla Townies heading for lynch should put up a fight; after all, they know they are Town, but don't know about anyone else. There are certain circumstances where they should accept death; if they're in a close race with a late-claiming Town power who's claim can be tested, for example. However, in general, Townies should fight for their lives, or even lay out their suspicions if the lynch looks certain, so the Town can have the benefit of analysis from a known trustworthy source (while still bearing in mind that they could be wrong.) I can be content with a Captain Pinkies lynch if nothing better emerges. However, I don't plan to vote for him unless incriminating evidence arises. Better to look at the rest of the players.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 13, 2011 12:31:28 GMT -5
Current (Unchecked) vote count:
Captain Pinkies (9,9)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228], Storyteller [269], guiri [304], CatInaSuit [317], colby11 [341] Archangel (2,3): CatInaSuit [26,317], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90] Fluiddruid (4,3): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227], BillMc [343] Paranoia (0,1): colby11 [176,313] JustBeingGinger (1,1): Honest Moley [263] colby11 (1,0): guiri (1,1): Rysto [321] gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246] CatInaSuit (0,1): septimus [60,88] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209]
With these votes Captain Pinkies will be lynched.
Please note any corrections.
ToDay will end in approximately seven and one-half hours.
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Post by Dirx on May 13, 2011 12:33:11 GMT -5
Welcome Ma'at. My cable is being fixed so I am posting from phone. Please excuse typos. After rereading Dirx and MHaye are at the top of my possibly scum list. Both have posted mostly on game mechanics. Dirx has made a couple of one-line comments that look like smudges to me. And both had one-off votes on people yesterday that were in no danger of getting lynched. My other suspicions are metagamey and not strong so for now I am keeping my vote on Fluiddruid. And what comments would those be? I like to think I'm fairly straightforward with casting suspicion on others. And I had a good reason for my one-off vote Yesterday, and I'm debating repeating it again Today. Meeko's vote on Pinkies didn't take into account the bought-vote claim that Pinkies had already posted. And then Meeko disappeared, again. My other choice at the moment is fluiddruid. She's been a mafia player for a long time, no? Why on earth would she not consider communicating with the moderator to learn more about her role? The questions she asked on Day1 about politicians didn't seem like she was trying to compare normal politicians to her own version of the role, it looked more like she was trying to understand the role itself. She hasn't been back to address my questions regarding this, and at this point I'm wondering if she's going to return before Day end at all.
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Post by Dirx on May 13, 2011 12:35:52 GMT -5
NETA: Oh, and I've been noticing the same thing regarding Moody Mithcy. Noticed it Yesterday, and noticed but forgot Today, until it was brought up just recently. So, he's on my suspicion list as well.
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 12:46:43 GMT -5
Dirx, I'll answer in full when I'm back online (hopefully within the next hour). But Mitchy isn't in this game, that's the other one.
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Post by Dirx on May 13, 2011 12:50:00 GMT -5
Thank you. I definitely shouldn't get involved in two games at once anymore. Or, at least, I shouldn't read the two different threads back to back.
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 13:13:38 GMT -5
You start this excerpt by clarifying your "" Town "" post. Note that you didn't actually answer why you needed to clarify here. Then, you remain on the cryptic track with "I am placing the following vote" [[Obviously]] and " Once I make this vote I will not change it" ...... Either you are making it [and if so you can change it] OR you, in a manner of speaking, are NOT making it. The words you use are waaay to stilted for comfort. Just a tad too beating around the bush for me. You are acting one way, and the commentary that goes with it fails. The commentary with this vote strikes me as being just as lacking as your "" Town "" post. I could be wrong here, but until I get some more explanation from you I will: Vote Pinkies
Hi. Have you read the rest of his posts yet? Also, I'm amused that you're chastising his lack of commentary when you've provided very little yourself. This (the last sentence) was the post I was referring to when I mentioned a drive-by smudge.
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Post by septimus on May 13, 2011 13:14:37 GMT -5
Promised to check in before Dusk, but see no reason to move my vote. I see no scum motive for fluiddruid's claim. I've no experience with PFKs, so hope more experienced players will speculate on what his wincon might be, if he is PFK. NETA: Oh, and I've been noticing the same thing regarding Moody Mithcy. Noticed it Yesterday, and noticed but forgot Today, until it was brought up just recently. So, he's on my suspicion list as well. Well, now we know why there was no NK last Night. Scum tried to Night-Kill Moody Mithcy. ( ƃuıppıʞ ʇsnɾ )
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 13:20:58 GMT -5
Hi. Have you read the rest of his posts yet? Also, I'm amused that you're chastising his lack of commentary when you've provided very little yourself. This (the last sentence) was the post I was referring to when I mentioned a drive-by smudge. And, I missed the part that it was in reference to Meeko, who you actually voted for. That cannot be seen as a smudge. I retract that statement. However, I'm still suspicious of you for the other reasons. And the Mitchy thing complicates things. I do understand getting the games confused, especially when bouncing back and forth between them. But you're agreeing with my opinion (for those not playing both games, I stated a suspicion of Mitchy in the other game which Dirx agreed with here) in response to my post saying I don't think you've shown sufficient suspicion of people. It could be a mistake but it looks like it was an attempt to appease me. I do see from both games you're confused from playing 2 games with the same people, whether you're town or scum though. (I'm not stalking you, but your last post over there was strange too, and I'll be addressing it over there.) I sympathize.
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Post by Dirx on May 13, 2011 13:23:08 GMT -5
You start this excerpt by clarifying your "" Town "" post. Note that you didn't actually answer why you needed to clarify here.
Then, you remain on the cryptic track with "I am placing the following vote" [[Obviously]] and " Once I make this vote I will not change it" ...... Either you are making it [and if so you can change it] OR you, in a manner of speaking, are NOT making it. The words you use are waaay to stilted for comfort.
Just a tad too beating around the bush for me. You are acting one way, and the commentary that goes with it fails. The commentary with this vote strikes me as being just as lacking as your "" Town "" post.
I could be wrong here, but until I get some more explanation from you I will: Vote Pinkies
Hi. Have you read the rest of his posts yet?
Also, I'm amused that you're chastising his lack of commentary when you've provided very little yourself.This (the last sentence) was the post I was referring to when I mentioned a drive-by smudge. Given that I had already voted for him the previous Day, I hoped it was apparent that I was poking him to get him to address Pinkies' other posts, which threw a slight wrench into his vote. He said he wanted more explanation, and yet ignored the further posts that Pinkies had made. I would have been more blunt about it, but figured maybe he was doing the whole "post as I catch up" thing, and would get to those posts soon enough. And then, apparently, he completely disappeared. Well, now we know why there was no NK last Night. Scum tried to Night-Kill Moody Mithcy. ( ƃuıppıʞ ʇsnɾ ) ;D
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Post by Dirx on May 13, 2011 13:29:00 GMT -5
However, I'm still suspicious of you for the other reasons. And the Mitchy thing complicates things. I do understand getting the games confused, especially when bouncing back and forth between them. But you're agreeing with my opinion (for those not playing both games, I stated a suspicion of Mitchy in the other game which Dirx agreed with here) in response to my post saying I don't think you've shown sufficient suspicion of people. It could be a mistake but it looks like it was an attempt to appease me. I do see from both games you're confused from playing 2 games with the same people, whether you're town or scum though. (I'm not stalking you, but your last post over there was strange too, and I'll be addressing it over there.) I sympathize. I actually didn't remember who it was that was talking about it (I thought it was a few people? have to check again). I don't try to appease people, or buddy up; I just agree with people if they say something I was already thinking. What are the other reasons you're still suspicious of me? The one-off vote that I already explained (and now have more reason to repeat)?
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Post by Archangel on May 13, 2011 13:35:39 GMT -5
However, I'm still suspicious of you for the other reasons. And the Mitchy thing complicates things. I do understand getting the games confused, especially when bouncing back and forth between them. But you're agreeing with my opinion (for those not playing both games, I stated a suspicion of Mitchy in the other game which Dirx agreed with here) in response to my post saying I don't think you've shown sufficient suspicion of people. It could be a mistake but it looks like it was an attempt to appease me. I do see from both games you're confused from playing 2 games with the same people, whether you're town or scum though. (I'm not stalking you, but your last post over there was strange too, and I'll be addressing it over there.) I sympathize. I actually didn't remember who it was that was talking about it (I thought it was a few people? have to check again). I don't try to appease people, or buddy up; I just agree with people if they say something I was already thinking. What are the other reasons you're still suspicious of me? The one-off vote that I already explained (and now have more reason to repeat)? The one-off vote and the posting mostly about game mechanics.
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