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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 2, 2011 10:07:17 GMT -5
Current vote count:
JustBeingGinger (6,6): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128], septimus [134], storyteller [135], Honest Moley [153] Archangel (2,0) Ma'at (1,2): Rysto [4], Honest Moley [7,153] gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (1,1): gnarlycharlie [16], Archangel [57] BillMc (0,1): storyteller [64,135]
With these votes, JustBeingGinger will be lynched.
ToDay will end in approximately one day and ten hours. Assuming the mod's done her math right.[/color]
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Post by Rysto on Jun 2, 2011 10:22:17 GMT -5
Sod it. Storyteller, it's your power, and using us to absolve yourself from the responsibility is not ok. Make a choice and announce it. I really disagree with this. We gain far more information from treating this like a lynch then we do from storyteller choosing a victim. Should the claimed power roles abstain from voting toDay? It's unlikely but possible that Ginger has some kind of bomb or blunderbluss up her sleeve. I don't see any downside in only having the vanilla claimants voting her out. On that note, Unvote Ma'at Vote Ginger Vig Ma'atThat's not a firm final for for vigging Ma'at; CIAS's argument about the timing of Ginger's vote merits consideration.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 2, 2011 10:39:21 GMT -5
I really disagree with this. We gain far more information from treating this like a lynch then we do from storyteller choosing a victim. Hmm, makes a certain amount of sense, I suppose. But I think it needs to be done sooner rather than later. vote septimus
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Post by Archangel on Jun 2, 2011 10:40:17 GMT -5
Unvote CatInASuit
Vote Ginger
Vig CatInASuit
I agree that we need to vote on the Vig thing in order to leave a record.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 10:44:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify, since it seems that I may have made some contradictory statements: I think that story should announce his target now, or very soon, so that there is ample time for discussion, for him to actually make the kill, and for us to deal with the aftermath, if any, before end of Day.
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Post by guiri on Jun 2, 2011 11:05:50 GMT -5
I'm almost caught up.
Vote Ginger
As Septimus mentioned, Rysto's VT claim is most likely truthful given the fact that Ginger was the first to make a VT claim with formatting in #36 and Rysto posted his - with the same format as the subsequent VT claims by Ma'at, CIAS and Septimus - in #37. Short of an intentional ploy by the now claimed scum godfather to mess up the PM, I can't see Rysto being a fellow scum.
I'll re-read the others.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 2, 2011 11:24:49 GMT -5
Just by way of clarification: I can announce whatever I want in-thread, but the kill will not resolve until Dusk.
I refuse to believe that there is a Scum player who is entirely lynch-immune. That's a broken game.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 11:48:15 GMT -5
Just by way of clarification: I can announce whatever I want in-thread, but the kill will not resolve until Dusk. Well, that changes things slightly. Is there a good reason now for you to still be withholding your full PM? I agree. It sounded plausible in theory, but in practice I think it would be gamebreaking.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 11:49:54 GMT -5
I think you need to change either the color or the action here...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 2, 2011 12:17:17 GMT -5
Should the claimed power roles abstain from voting toDay? It's unlikely but possible that Ginger has some kind of bomb or blunderbluss up her sleeve. I don't see any downside in only having the vanilla claimants voting her out. I think that either Ginger is the last Scum, or there is some trickery at work here. With that in mind, I think it might be good if the Town Powers avoided voting Ginger just in case. The problem with that is that assuming we have a Doc/Blocker, they might make themself conspicuous by the absence of their vote on her.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 2, 2011 13:11:28 GMT -5
Is there a good reason now for you to still be withholding your full PM? Do you mean other than my natural inclination to be a Drama Queen? Not really, I guess. Somebody already guessed it anyway.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 2, 2011 13:31:21 GMT -5
It's worth noting that if story does end up being Town, the "Off with your head" thing would seem to jibe well with with Bill claimed about colby's role triggering a Night action by quoting from the book.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2011 14:10:11 GMT -5
Doing my second read now. I think I'll respond as I go. I see Guiri has now claimed 3rd party survivor. Guiri is very good at this game and I find it very difficult to get a read on him either way. Personally, I prefer a statement of "I am not scum" for the LD, as a false reading of "I am town" does not clarify whether someone is scum or 3rd party. The problem with "I am not Mafia" (or equivalent wording) is that testing it can't tell the difference between Town and self-aligned. So far this game there have been no revealed PFKs, and that makes me a bit worried, because I expected one. I'd rather, in the long run, sort Town from not-Town, and let behaviour and actions distinguish between Mafia-aligned and self-aligned.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 2, 2011 14:24:18 GMT -5
Should the claimed power roles abstain from voting toDay? It's unlikely but possible that Ginger has some kind of bomb or blunderbluss up her sleeve. I don't see any downside in only having the vanilla claimants voting her out. I think that either Ginger is the last Scum, or there is some trickery at work here. With that in mind, I think it might be good if the Town Powers avoided voting Ginger just in case. The problem with that is that assuming we have a Doc/Blocker, they might make themself conspicuous by the absence of their vote on her. I think only 3 people need to vote Ginger to ensure her lynch (since Archangel has 2 penalty votes). I’m fine leaving my vote on her, so perhaps two others should volunteer and everyone else should unvote her, which would give the doc (if we have one) at least a little hiding space (albeit not much). I think Guiri would make a good second volunteer, and maybe Gnarley if his powers are used up, or Bill if he would be immune to a bomb? (not sure what other excitement Ginger could generate other than being a bomb, so that's my guess for the "trickery") Vig: Cat in a Suit(with the remaining candidates to choose from, it’s between CIAS and Septimus for me, and there were a couple times I thought Septimus might be town, whereas with CIAS, I kept going back and forth so for lack of anything better….sorry CIAS if I got it wrong)
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Post by guiri on Jun 2, 2011 14:55:18 GMT -5
I think Guiri would make a good second volunteer /snip I'll keep my vote on Ginger and my fingers crossed.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2011 15:36:26 GMT -5
A note at the bottom of Page 4. Having reviewed Bill's claim, including his full PM claim, it seems to me that it's probably trustworthy. I find backing for his claim that Colby was responsible for the lack of deaths on Night 1 in D02.279. Colby states that: - Well, since I am going to be night killed on Night 2 (due to the trend that I always die at night the first chance that SCUM get to night kill) I'm going to go through everyone and put down my thoughts about everyone. This may take awhile, since I didn't take notes on Day 1 (Bolding mine.) I think it quite clear from that that Colby was responsible for the no-kill Night. This, incidentally, also probably explains the lack of Strongman kill. There are two possible interpretations of the Strongman role for Mafia-aligned players. One is that they can designate a kill as an unstoppable kill; the other is that they have an extra kill. If Lightfoot had an extra kill, the power was probably employed on Night 1 and ran into Colby's block. (The longer the Mafia delays using it, the more chances they have of losing the player with the power unspent. Thus the tendency is to use it early.)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 2, 2011 15:37:09 GMT -5
Confirmed: BillMc, MHaye, Suburban Plankton, storyteller Likely town: gnarlycharlie, Honest Moley Unconfirmed: Rysto, Ma'at, CIAS, Septimus, Archangel, guiri Ah, this is killing me. Other than Plankton, no one is (or will be) confirmed Town in this game. If JustBeingGinger dies toDay and if she is the Godfather as claimed - and maybe this is me in my paranoid hat, but I'm not sure why everyone is assuming she's being honest here - then that (in my view) confirms Bill as non-Scum. At that point, the only way he could be non-Town is if he is an investigation-proof third-party, which is not impossible but seems like a stretch. My successful execution of a Day kill will not confirm me definitively (to anyone but myself, ;D). MHaye is unconfirmed. Frankly, of MHaye, Moley, and gnarlycharly I think there's a fair chance that one is non-Town. Essentially, once Ginger is dead, we need to start over, from scratch, and continue to play Mafia. --- I am strongly inclined to lynch Ginger and Vig someone else. I think it's very important that Ginger actually die toDay. A Godfather with Night- or Day-kill immunity is not out of the question, but I think Scum with lynch resistance is probably a bit rarer. A dead Ginger will confirm that she was, indeed, the Godfather, which clears Bill of any remaining suspicion of being Scum. Here's what I recommend. Everyone vote for Ginger. Everyone also vote, using purple text, for the non-Ginger player to be Daykilled. While I will not commit absolutely to following the results of this vote (especially if the vote is for me!), I will most likely kill the purple vote leader at the end of the Day. This allows accountability for votes in the same way that the lynch usually would. <MASSIVE SARCASM QUOTES> So you guys came up with the idea that Ginger is a bomb, did you? And all on your own as well! That's almost as impressive as CatInASuit's theory that Ma'at is town because she voted for Archangel after Ginger bussed Meeko on Day Three. I would never have come up with that. Nor would I have written it down a mere eight or so posts before CIAS himself did. </MASSIVE SARCASM QUOTES> Now you guys can, if you want, keep overstretching your feeble excuses for "brains" in order to come up with "original" theories that I've already imagined, written, posted, and discarded. Or you could, y'know, just READ MY S--T. Ok, enough with jocularly insulting you guys. This is SERIOUS BUSINESS. And the first thing I have to say is this: if I'm right about Ma'at (and I think I am), our hypothetical five-man scum team consists of four girls and one guy. With that in mind, I vote to Vig: Sis C for not inviting me to this harem! I'm not usually a big fan of playing scum, but I could make an exception in this case... Ok... REAL serious business, this time. Let's dissect MY reason for exonerating Ma'at (while at the same time subtly hinting to CIAS that he should smash himself in the face with a watermelon for his blatant plagiarism). I pointed out that "it might be said" that Ma'at looked more townish because she voted Archangel after Ginger had voted for Meeko on Day Three. I didn't say I believed this, because I didn't (and don't). Seems I need to expand on that. First of all, there's got to be something SERIOUSLY good in the way of reasoning to exonerate a player from suspicion for adding a vote to the competing bandwagon to a scum lynch. Is there here? Nope. Ginger, don't forget, voted Paranoia near the end of Day One, when there wasn't a single vote on Paranoia and Ace looked like a certain lynch. (And then hurriedly switched to me - with reasoning that, as I pointed out at the time, made zero sense - when people started joining the Paranoia wagon. Does this look like distancing to you?) What these two were doing was setting themselves up to be on opposite sides. Of course Paranoia never got the chance to follow this though, but Ma'at took the reins. With the exception of Metallic Squink - who they both voted after MHaye had already confirmed she was non-town - they were on opposing bandwagons every single day. That's not an accident or coincidence, that's good planning. When Meeko was being lynched, Ginger bussed him, while Ma'at voted Archangel instead. It could just have easily been the other way around - Ma'at could've voted Meeko, and Ginger voted Archangel - the important thing is that they weren't voting together. And what do you think would've happened if Archangel's wagon had taken off instead of Meeko's? Ginger would've had a "backup" suspect to switch her vote to, depend on it. Hell, if the scum were anything like my lot in "Smasher Mansion", they probably discussed who it would be. (Come to think of it, it was probably me.) There are two opposite ways for a pair of scumbuddies to cooperate without seeming to. They can either "cox 'n' box" - when one scum is loud, the other is silent, but they always agree and support one another while never actually mentioning each other. (Darth Sensitive and BlasterMaster did this a lot in "Arkham Nights".) Or they can try "distancing", whereby they try to keep on opposite sides but focus attention on the people that benefit the scum if they're lynched / killed. It's the second one that Ma'at and Ginger have been doing here. Ok, second point. I agree that the "bomb" theory makes sense. I MAY unvote Ginger because of this; but if I do, I'll be around at the end of the day to make sure there isn't a surprise switch waiting at the end. SO DON'T TRY ANYTHING, SCUMMIES. I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. Ahem... and now that I've creeped everybody out big-time... I would also remind people that there's a second plausible theory - that Ginger, seeing the noose tightening around her neck anyway, decided to sacrifice herself to save a fellow scum with a strong power. That scum can only have been Ma'at. Keep this in mind. Finally, I agree with Story. Nobody is confirmed, except me. (Seriously... would I lie to you guys?) And possibly Plankton. I certainly don't see Charlie, M'Haye, or even Storyteller himself as anything like confirmed town; any one of them could be a third-party, and Story might even be scum (although I sincerely doubt he is). Know your own mind, people, but don't be too closed-minded. I'm basing my assumption that Ma'at is scum on an analysis of her actions and posts; if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't think so and it's the best I got right now. Are you certain that everything you're thinking is based on solid reads, assumptions, and reasoning?
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 2, 2011 16:13:42 GMT -5
I should know better, but I just can’t help myself. I promise the rest of you that this is the last time I respond to one of Moley’s posts unless he has something new to say about me.
Moley – this is my 3rd game. I believe this is Ginger’s 4th (she played in Scooby Doo, I did not). I have never been scum. She has never been scum up until this game (someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think she was town in Scooby doo). There is no way we would have come up with as complicated of a plan as you’re making out – I can barely follow half of what you’re saying. Maybe some other scum person with more experience could have come up with it, but then, that scum player would be playing that strategy, not Ginger and me. Have you seen the way I’m playing this game? Do I really strike you as sneaky (maybe) and deceiving (maybe) and a super-smart player (uh…not so much)? You certainly are giving me much more credit than I deserve. I would take it as a compliment if I saw it as you truly thinking I’m a good player as opposed to you just being totally full of yourself and holding your own mafia scum sniffing abilities in such high regard.
So all I can do is laugh at you, because I know you’re wrong.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 2, 2011 16:32:46 GMT -5
I should know better, but I just can’t help myself. I promise the rest of you that this is the last time I respond to one of Moley’s posts unless he has something new to say about me. Moley – this is my 3rd game. I believe this is Ginger’s 4th (she played in Scooby Doo, I did not). I have never been scum. She has never been scum up until this game (someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think she was town in Scooby doo). There is no way we would have come up with as complicated of a plan as you’re making out – I can barely follow half of what you’re saying. Maybe some other scum person with more experience could have come up with it, but then, that scum player would be playing that strategy, not Ginger and me. Have you seen the way I’m playing this game? Do I really strike you as sneaky (maybe) and deceiving (maybe) and a super-smart player (uh…not so much)? You certainly are giving me much more credit than I deserve. I would take it as a compliment if I saw it as you truly thinking I’m a good player as opposed to you just being totally full of yourself and holding your own mafia scum sniffing abilities in such high regard. So all I can do is laugh at you, because I know you’re wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Them's the breaks. But I don't believe it. It ain't personal, you know. We just happen to be on opposite sides. I know it, you know it. You can't admit it but I can, putting me in a position of power; therefore my attitude must come off as distinctly irritating. Sorry about that - at least part of it is meant to be humorous, but I admit that's small comfort to you right now.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 2, 2011 16:37:46 GMT -5
I should know better, but I just can’t help myself. I promise the rest of you that this is the last time I respond to one of Moley’s posts unless he has something new to say about me. Moley – this is my 3rd game. I believe this is Ginger’s 4th (she played in Scooby Doo, I did not). I have never been scum. She has never been scum up until this game (someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think she was town in Scooby doo). There is no way we would have come up with as complicated of a plan as you’re making out – I can barely follow half of what you’re saying. Maybe some other scum person with more experience could have come up with it, but then, that scum player would be playing that strategy, not Ginger and me. Have you seen the way I’m playing this game? Do I really strike you as sneaky (maybe) and deceiving (maybe) and a super-smart player (uh…not so much)? You certainly are giving me much more credit than I deserve. I would take it as a compliment if I saw it as you truly thinking I’m a good player as opposed to you just being totally full of yourself and holding your own mafia scum sniffing abilities in such high regard. So all I can do is laugh at you, because I know you’re wrong. Oh, and adding to that: I try not to doubt myself. Ever. I make up my mind on something and stick to it. If that comes off as arrogance, well, partly it is; but partly it's good gameplay. If I doubted myself over Squink, I probably would have taken my vote off her. What would've happened then, if MHaye hadn't got lucky with his investigation? I DID doubt myself over Meeko, because something happened that I didn't expect; and as a result, I tried to prevent the lynch of a scum. I take that as a personal lesson.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 2, 2011 17:17:21 GMT -5
Current vote count:
JustBeingGinger (9,9): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128], septimus [134], storyteller [135], Honest Moley [153], Rysto [181], Archangel [183], guiri [185] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (0,1): gnarlycharlie [16], Archangel [57,183] Ma'at (0,2): Rysto [4,181], Honest Moley [7,153] BillMc (0,1): storyteller [64,135]
With these votes, JustBeingGinger will be lynched.
ToDay will end in approximately one day and three hours. Assuming the mod's done her math right.[/color]
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 2, 2011 18:06:31 GMT -5
maybe we'll be lucky and Ginger is the last one. this seems to be more of a wait and see.
as a final note, we'll be making our actual move right before Dusk so i probably won't be around. hopefully between the lynch and the Day vig, it will be over when i check in.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2011 18:10:34 GMT -5
I don't want to leave voting until tomorrow evening. I've already expressed my preference for Storyteller to use his claimed power on; I thought (and still think) he should use his claimed power on JBG. However, the votes of the People have gone against me, and the votes of the People are sovereign. Besides, there are "bird in the hand" type arguments in favour of lynching the admitted Mafiate. Situations where it's correct to leave the admitted Mafiate alive are rare, and mostly involve the presence of possible winstealing enemies or (in the case of Conspiracy and Alien Taste) whole winstealing teams. I'm going to assume the lynch of Ginger is a done deal. Thus, the question remaining is, who do I want vigged? Current position : we have thirteen living players. Of those, one player (Suburban Plankton) is a Mod-confirmed Town, and two (Guiri and JBGinger) are self-confessedly not Town. Guiri is the only one of those who can be considered a vig candidate. However, I would advocate against Vigging Guiri at this point. The reason is that if Guiri is a Third Party player, he is not a threat to Town but still counts against the numbers the Mafia has to kill in order to win. If he's a PFK (or a false-claiming Mafiate) then he is a threat and needs to be dealt with, but that can be looked into Tomorrow. That leaves ten players. Of those, I am not going to ask to be killed, neither am I going to ask Storyteller to vig himself. That leaves eight candidates. Archangel Bill Mc Cat in A Suit gnarlycharlie Honest Moley Ma'at Rysto septimus Five of these players claim vanilla Town; Archangel, CIAS, Ma'at, Rysto and Septimus. The others claim powers; Gnarly the JOAT, Holey Moley the Gossip, and Bill a 1-shot Nightkill. I think Storyteller should aim to reduce the unknown pool, which means one of the five claimed Vanilla. Of those, I would prefer CIAS or Ma'at; Ma'at because Rysto made a good case against her, and CIAS because I've had a nagging feeling about him all game, and nearly tested him Night 1. (That's not evidence, just a gut feel.) I would like CIAS, Guiri, Ma'at and Rysto to post a statement of alignment in the following form, please. “I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.” According to the convention Sister C uses, a third party player is not a Winstealer. A PFK player is a Winstealer. It was confirmed valid for this game in D02.086. The statement of alignment, if tested, should enable me to discern whether you are a threat to Town or not. Oh, and Vote: JustBeingGinger Vig CIAS or Ma'at.
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Post by Ma'at on Jun 2, 2011 18:25:00 GMT -5
I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party
MHaye - did you not see my post 193, or just don't think it's necessary for power roles to unvote (or not vote) Ginger? (there has been some discussion that she may be a bomb)
Do my eyes decieve or is Gnarly's vote on CIAS counting now? (Or maybe just a mistake by the mod?)
Sis C - is the vote count correct?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2011 18:35:00 GMT -5
I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party MHaye - did you not see my post 193, or just don't think it's necessary for power roles to unvote (or not vote) Ginger? (there has been some discussion that she may be a bomb) I'm aware of the discussion. I just don't believe it. Here is the list of roles Sister C provided, excerpted from the Rules thread fr your convenience. Roles will be drawn from the following list. There may be some role duplication, and any variant of any role is possible, from the straightforward to non-standard developments of the Mod's. - Watcher
- Vigilante
- Vanilla
- Survivor
- Strongman
- Serial Killer
- Scotsman
- Roleblocker
- Politician
- Mad Bomber
- Lie Detector
- Jack of All Trades
- Gossip
- Godfather
- Doctor
- Cop
I don't see any "Bomb" there - and I believe Sister C would have put the role in if she had used it, since it is often a controversial inclusion around here. So, no bomb.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 2, 2011 19:19:50 GMT -5
I don't want to leave voting until tomorrow evening. I've already expressed my preference for Storyteller to use his claimed power on; I thought (and still think) he should use his claimed power on JBG. However, the votes of the People have gone against me, and the votes of the People are sovereign. Besides, there are "bird in the hand" type arguments in favour of lynching the admitted Mafiate. Situations where it's correct to leave the admitted Mafiate alive are rare, and mostly involve the presence of possible winstealing enemies or (in the case of Conspiracy and Alien Taste) whole winstealing teams. I'm going to assume the lynch of Ginger is a done deal. Thus, the question remaining is, who do I want vigged? Current position : we have thirteen living players. Of those, one player (Suburban Plankton) is a Mod-confirmed Town, and two (Guiri and JBGinger) are self-confessedly not Town. Guiri is the only one of those who can be considered a vig candidate. However, I would advocate against Vigging Guiri at this point. The reason is that if Guiri is a Third Party player, he is not a threat to Town but still counts against the numbers the Mafia has to kill in order to win. If he's a PFK (or a false-claiming Mafiate) then he is a threat and needs to be dealt with, but that can be looked into Tomorrow. That leaves ten players. Of those, I am not going to ask to be killed, neither am I going to ask Storyteller to vig himself. That leaves eight candidates. Archangel Bill Mc Cat in A Suit gnarlycharlie Honest Moley Ma'at Rysto septimus Five of these players claim vanilla Town; Archangel, CIAS, Ma'at, Rysto and Septimus. The others claim powers; Gnarly the JOAT, Holey Moley the Gossip, and Bill a 1-shot Nightkill. I think Storyteller should aim to reduce the unknown pool, which means one of the five claimed Vanilla. Of those, I would prefer CIAS or Ma'at; Ma'at because Rysto made a good case against her, and CIAS because I've had a nagging feeling about him all game, and nearly tested him Night 1. (That's not evidence, just a gut feel.) I would like CIAS, Guiri, Ma'at and Rysto to post a statement of alignment in the following form, please. “I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.” According to the convention Sister C uses, a third party player is not a Winstealer. A PFK player is a Winstealer. It was confirmed valid for this game in D02.086. The statement of alignment, if tested, should enable me to discern whether you are a threat to Town or not. Oh, and Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color] Vig CIAS or Ma'at. [/quote] One person I'm reconsidering is Rysto, if only because Ma'at has guilt-tripped me into it. ;D The only scum who's actually voted Rysto is Lightfoot, and that was when he was in no danger of going - the vote was split between Meeko and Archangel at that point. I'm going to look at that one a little closer I think, and make a proper post. I remember his vote on me at the very beginning pinging me a little because it seemed a poor reason to actually cast a vote.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 2, 2011 19:24:32 GMT -5
I don't want to leave voting until tomorrow evening. I've already expressed my preference for Storyteller to use his claimed power on; I thought (and still think) he should use his claimed power on JBG. However, the votes of the People have gone against me, and the votes of the People are sovereign. Besides, there are "bird in the hand" type arguments in favour of lynching the admitted Mafiate. Situations where it's correct to leave the admitted Mafiate alive are rare, and mostly involve the presence of possible winstealing enemies or (in the case of Conspiracy and Alien Taste) whole winstealing teams. I'm going to assume the lynch of Ginger is a done deal. Thus, the question remaining is, who do I want vigged? Current position : we have thirteen living players. Of those, one player (Suburban Plankton) is a Mod-confirmed Town, and two (Guiri and JBGinger) are self-confessedly not Town. Guiri is the only one of those who can be considered a vig candidate. However, I would advocate against Vigging Guiri at this point. The reason is that if Guiri is a Third Party player, he is not a threat to Town but still counts against the numbers the Mafia has to kill in order to win. If he's a PFK (or a false-claiming Mafiate) then he is a threat and needs to be dealt with, but that can be looked into Tomorrow. That leaves ten players. Of those, I am not going to ask to be killed, neither am I going to ask Storyteller to vig himself. That leaves eight candidates. Archangel Bill Mc Cat in A Suit gnarlycharlie Honest Moley Ma'at Rysto septimus Five of these players claim vanilla Town; Archangel, CIAS, Ma'at, Rysto and Septimus. The others claim powers; Gnarly the JOAT, Holey Moley the Gossip, and Bill a 1-shot Nightkill. I think Storyteller should aim to reduce the unknown pool, which means one of the five claimed Vanilla. Of those, I would prefer CIAS or Ma'at; Ma'at because Rysto made a good case against her, and CIAS because I've had a nagging feeling about him all game, and nearly tested him Night 1. (That's not evidence, just a gut feel.) I would like CIAS, Guiri, Ma'at and Rysto to post a statement of alignment in the following form, please. “I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.” According to the convention Sister C uses, a third party player is not a Winstealer. A PFK player is a Winstealer. It was confirmed valid for this game in D02.086. The statement of alignment, if tested, should enable me to discern whether you are a threat to Town or not. Oh, and Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color] Vig CIAS or Ma'at. [/quote] Oh, and MHaye has brought up an excellent point that I'd like to expand on. Roleblocker is on the list of roles. Bomb is not. Once again lending weight to my theory (that Ginger sacrificed herself with the intention of saving a more powerful scum) rather than the "bomb" theory. All of which assumes, of course, that she didn't just give up because she was caught in a lie (also quite possible).
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Post by Rysto on Jun 2, 2011 19:26:52 GMT -5
I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 2, 2011 23:33:34 GMT -5
Sis C - is the vote count correct? No, sorry -- I'll fix it now. There should be a (0,1) after CIAS.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 3, 2011 2:46:12 GMT -5
I am either Town-aligned or a Third Party.
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