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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 3:17:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 3:17:28 GMT -5
There a loads of different types of Lemmings. Not that I like to quote Wikipedia.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#ClassificationLists quite a 22 different kinds of lemmings, but only 5 in the genus Lemmus, to which both of our deceased belong, and also to which Silver Jan claims to belong. Assuming 5 Scum, we should have 10 Vanilla Town players.
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Jul 11, 2011 4:09:02 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 11, 2011 4:09:02 GMT -5
sorry all, babies are more time consuming than I'd expected. I am lurking/reading, just haven't had more than a few minutes of peace yet to try to put together any type of useful contribution. at absolute worst, I will make sure I'm submitting and reporting investigations daily - for the time being, until/unless someone changes my mind, I'm in the 'only report scum results' school of thought. thanks! babies are great. well, kids, in general, are. enjoy them while they're young. There a loads of different types of Lemmings. Not that I like to quote Wikipedia.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#ClassificationLists quite a 22 different kinds of lemmings, but only 5 in the genus Lemmus, to which both of our deceased belong, and also to which Silver Jan claims to belong. Assuming 5 Scum, we should have 10 Vanilla Town players. so with 20 players: 1 Cop (non-lemming) 1 Doc (likely non-lemming) 1 Vig (likely non-lemming) 2 Masons (?) 10 VT (lemming) 5 scum (?)
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Jul 11, 2011 5:43:02 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 11, 2011 5:43:02 GMT -5
I am still suspicious of SP for his switch on Trepa. I have read the case on Colby a little bit. What's your opinion on Colby's switch on Trepa? Of course you don't consider it a Flip Flop because you did the same thing. In what way does Suburban's switch stand out more than Colby's? SP You post this right after Gnarly posts about Colby's flip flop and the votes are piling on him ( Colby). Do you have any follow-up on your statements about Suburban's flip-flop or his responses? Outrun Cap Pinkies For his bandwagon (going with the majority) vote and his lack of participation (I know shocker). Given your opinion that a vote on Captain Pinkies for non-participation is "pointless and tiring", what makes him the more likely scum candidate of the Trepa voters?
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 8:30:49 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jul 11, 2011 8:30:49 GMT -5
Woohoo, I have some small smidgen of spare time. I am hoping for quieter times this week.
Apologies to all for not being around, let's see what I have missed.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 9:44:04 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 11, 2011 9:44:04 GMT -5
So in looking at who jumped on the Trepa bandwagon, Cap Pinkies sticks out the most to me. He just followed suit of everyone else. I am still suspicious of SP for his switch on Trepa. For now, Outrun Cap Pinkies/b]
For his bandwagon (going with the majority) vote and his lack of participation (I know shocker).You're still suspicious of me? funny, because you never actually mentioned that before. Sure, you asked me a few questions earlier Today (Posts 39, 41, and 42), but you never quite let on that you suspected me of being Scum: unlike guiri, who was much more pointed in his questioning. You never addressed my replies to you (though I assume from your most recent statement you found them unsatisfactory, and now instead of voting for me you're putting a vote down on Pinkies for doing exactly the same thing he does in every game. It looks to me like you're making a 'safe' vote (voting for Pinkies is always safe, it seems) while waiting to see if a bandwagon develops on me...then you can change your vote and say "I was always suspicious of him". Vote: Just BeingGinger Incidentally, I'm not getting a Scum vive from guiri. He has come out strongly on the offensive against a number of players, something that Scum generally shy away from.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 9:49:55 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jul 11, 2011 9:49:55 GMT -5
Starting with Day 2 as its smaller. #2: @ed - should I be surprised you're voting for Pinkies or is it just a temporary vote? Do you think you will get any participation out of him? #12: @innersticks Why do you think fubbleskag should reveal any results straightaway? Although it is PIS to know completely, I do think fubbleskag is likely to be the cop and as such I strongly disagree on fubbleskag revealing anything other than scum, or a town lynch victim. #40 Archangel - A magic bag?? Oh dear. #86 @captain Pinkies: I guess you are not going to particpate then Hmmm, Ok, Ed and Pinkies are at it again, one votes for the other, the other does nothing. Looking suspiciously at InnerSticks and following that colby as well, over wanting fubbleskag to report early. Not happy with Archangel's magic bag, but I'm always of the opinion that if you spot something you should shout out. Back to look over Day 1 for some extra context.
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Jul 11, 2011 9:55:06 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 11, 2011 9:55:06 GMT -5
Sorry, everyone, I had a really shitty weekend/late week. Don't want to discuss it.
Not pleased with Archangel's Magic Bag, not happy with colby still, and on the fence about Moody.
For now:
Outrun: colby11
I want to get a vote down because today's also going to be insane, here at work. Tomorrow might be quieter, but I probably won't be back for the next 24 hours.
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Jul 11, 2011 11:35:20 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 11:35:20 GMT -5
Starting with Day 2 as its smaller. #2: @ed - should I be surprised you're voting for Pinkies or is it just a temporary vote? Do you think you will get any participation out of him? I was hoping. In a past game, it worked to get him participating. I was hoping for something, even if it was just recycling a cover role previously used by a Scum Buddy ;D We've still got what 3.5 days left in this Day. I would actually rather leave Pinkies for the Vig to kill.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 11:57:24 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 11, 2011 11:57:24 GMT -5
Vote Count Captain Pinkies (2) : Special Ed, JustBeingGinger Guiri (2) : Silver Jan, colby11 Texcat (1) : Inner Stickler Archangel (1) : moodymitchy Moodymitchy (1) : Guiri JustBeingGinger (1) : Suburban Plankton Colby11 (1) : Sister Coyote
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 12:54:51 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 11, 2011 12:54:51 GMT -5
I don't know whether it's me or not, but it seems like Guiri is skimming posts a bit. It seems I have to interpret every single thing that I say for him to understand, which leads to even more questions. It just reeks of skimming and/or not understanding what I am saying. I have yet to understand your comment to Archangel but, apart from that, can you give one example of skimming and/or not understanding what you are saying? I do understand that we need to communicate in order to find scum, it just seems like you are picking on me and moodymitchy a bit more because we are more vocal. You're not concerned that I've questioned Suburban Plankton and SilverJan toDay also? As for picking on you, yesterDay you were close to being lynched, I was pretty confident that Trepa was scum and suspected you may be Town and possibly a power role despite the case against you and, as you weren't going to be around until after the end of the Day, I asked people to reconsider their votes on you in D1#299 and suggested that the cop investigate you instead. When Trepa flipped Town, I realized I may have been mistaken about you (as well) and so wanted to get a clearer read on you toDay. I started by asking you to comment on the D1 votes against you in D2#13, you seemed to handwave the case in D2#28. You didn't comment on my response in D2#32. In #62 you asked me to explain my accusation that Trepa posted a cover PM, I replied in #66 pointing out that I'd explained in the same post you referred to. You said that you didn't think scum were given cover roles in #94, a continuation of your #62, and I questioned that assumption in #97. The only post that I didn't understand was #59 where you agreed it was not pro-town for Archangel to reveal her reason for suspecting you but then asked to do so anyway. Going back to the Archangel dilemna, I was wanting to know his mysterious reason so that I could explain if needed, since it was directed towards me. Other people have commented on this fact, and moodymitchy has placed a vote because of that mysterious reason. I really think that you are Town because you are questioning everything.. My vote earlier was just from frustration that it seemed to me that you were questioning everything that I said. That, and I think i'm overanalysing again... Plus, I don't even feel good in my vote anymore Match Speed with Guiri
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Jul 11, 2011 13:19:19 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 11, 2011 13:19:19 GMT -5
There a loads of different types of Lemmings. Not that I like to quote Wikipedia.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#ClassificationLists quite a 22 different kinds of lemmings, but only 5 in the genus Lemmus, to which both of our deceased belong, and also to which Silver Jan claims to belong. Assuming 5 Scum, we should have 10 Vanilla Town players. Sorry Ed but I don't follow your logic on this one, why do you say there should be 10 VT's if there are only 5 Lemmings in the genus Lemmus of which I know I'm one and so are my deceased kin?
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 13:23:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 13:23:28 GMT -5
Not that I like to quote Wikipedia.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#ClassificationLists quite a 22 different kinds of lemmings, but only 5 in the genus Lemmus, to which both of our deceased belong, and also to which Silver Jan claims to belong. Assuming 5 Scum, we should have 10 Vanilla Town players. Sorry Ed but I don't follow your logic on this one, why do you say there should be 10 VT's if there are only 5 Lemmings in the genus Lemmus of which I know I'm one and so are my deceased kin? Because there are 5 power roles, and I assumed 5 Scum. Since we started with 20 players, that leaves 10 who are not Scum and are not power roles.
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Jul 11, 2011 13:33:13 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 11, 2011 13:33:13 GMT -5
I must have missed something and I haven't gone back to read everything again but where does it say there are 5 power roles?
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 13:42:06 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 13:42:06 GMT -5
I must have missed something and I haven't gone back to read everything again but where does it say there are 5 power roles? This game has slots for the first 20 players. Open Set-up : 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Vig, 2 Masons.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 13:44:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 13:44:43 GMT -5
If it turns out that Meeko used the 5 lemmus as vanilla, there should be 2 of each of them.
In that case, a mass name claim ought to limit Scum hiding places.
I'm not suggesting such a claim at this point, s that's a rather huge assumption. However, it might be useful for discussion.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 13:48:33 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 11, 2011 13:48:33 GMT -5
#12: @innersticks Why do you think fubbleskag should reveal any results straightaway? Although it is PIS to know completely, I do think fubbleskag is likely to be the cop and as such I strongly disagree on fubbleskag revealing anything other than scum, or a town lynch victim. Because I have never played a game where scum just picked off the townies the cop had investigated, because all we need is for the doc to die and fubble to have computer issues or an unexpected absence over Night and then we get no information. Because, the cop shouldn't reveal info sounds to me like scum trying to prevent it from getting out at all.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 13:53:09 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 13:53:09 GMT -5
#12: @innersticks Why do you think fubbleskag should reveal any results straightaway? Although it is PIS to know completely, I do think fubbleskag is likely to be the cop and as such I strongly disagree on fubbleskag revealing anything other than scum, or a town lynch victim. Because I have never played a game where scum just picked off the townies the cop had investigated, because all we need is for the doc to die and fubble to have computer issues or an unexpected absence over Night and then we get no information. Because, the cop shouldn't reveal info sounds to me like scum trying to prevent it from getting out at all. But we'll know when the Doc is dead. And fubble will have time to reveal. And he'll be able to do so during the Day, not at Night. And I've played in a game where the Scum killed each Town investigative target. The risk to us is small: fubble goes AWOL. (He's got a new baby, he's going to be home and up a lot at Night. Probably burping a baby over his shoulder while reading the computer.) The benefit is great: We get a larger pool of confirmed Town when our Doc is dead. Why give the Scum the option of limiting the size of our confirmed pool if/when the Doc does finally die?
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 14:02:57 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 11, 2011 14:02:57 GMT -5
If it turns out that Meeko used the 5 lemmus as vanilla, there should be 2 of each of them. In that case, a mass name claim ought to limit Scum hiding places. I'm not suggesting such a claim at this point, s that's a rather huge assumption. However, it might be useful for discussion. It might be worth considering but what if we now get SCUM putting out some "fake" roles... before it has been discussed fully. They already have what ? 3 types of Lemming they could post as types... then we could be left with counterclaims and have a bigger mess to sort out... And I still haven't ruled out the possibility that Silver Jan hasn't done just that already... She did seem rather keen to get her claim "out there" .
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 14:05:07 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 11, 2011 14:05:07 GMT -5
Could someone do something about my double post please Yes, but then this one would look funny, now wouldn't it? ;D
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 14:06:16 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 11, 2011 14:06:16 GMT -5
Thanks Ed, it would have taken me days to find that
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Jul 11, 2011 14:10:06 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 11, 2011 14:10:06 GMT -5
If it turns out that Meeko used the 5 lemmus as vanilla, there should be 2 of each of them. In that case, a mass name claim ought to limit Scum hiding places. I'm not suggesting such a claim at this point, s that's a rather huge assumption. However, it might be useful for discussion. It might be worth considering but what if we now get SCUM putting out some "fake" roles... before it has been discussed fully. They already have what ? 3 types of Lemming they could post as types... then we could be left with counterclaims and have a bigger mess to sort out... And I still haven't ruled out the possibility that Silver Jan hasn't done just that already... She did seem rather keen to get her claim "out there" . I was not in a hurry to get my claim out as you should have noticed seeing as people thought I was claiming Mason.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 16:17:40 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 11, 2011 16:17:40 GMT -5
Vote Count Captain Pinkies (2) : Special Ed, JustBeingGinger Guiri (1) : Silver Jan Texcat (1) : Inner Stickler Archangel (1) : moodymitchy Moodymitchy (1) : Guiri JustBeingGinger (1) : Suburban Plankton Colby11 (1) : Sister Coyote
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 16:43:32 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 11, 2011 16:43:32 GMT -5
I am still suspicious of SP for his switch on Trepa. What's your opinion on Colby's switch on Trepa? In what way does Suburban's switch stand out more than Colby's? Do you have any follow-up on your statements about Suburban's flip-flop or his responses? Outrun Cap Pinkies For his bandwagon (going with the majority) vote and his lack of participation (I know shocker). Given your opinion that a vote on Captain Pinkies for non-participation is "pointless and tiring", what makes him the more likely scum candidate of the Trepa voters? Honestly I have not read in depth the case against COLBY and his replies. When re-reading everything when I got back home it found it odd that both Colby and SP did the same flip flop but no one called SP on it, yet Colby was questioned about it. That is one reason why I have not focused on Colby, I am going to go back and re-read everything that was said to him and his responses. The one reason why SP stands out a little more to me is that he started flip flopping back to thinking that Trepa was not SCUM right after Gnarly pointed out that SP did make the flip flop and Colby was gaining votes on him. As for the vote on Trepa from Cap Pinkies He came on and and posted that he was here and then an hour later voted Trepa. He never came back the rest of the day to see the discussion. To me he was going with what the majority were saying to place a vote. By him not coming back and stating anything after that it just seemed that he knew he was town. Just a thought.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 17:00:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 11, 2011 17:00:31 GMT -5
What's your opinion on Colby's switch on Trepa? In what way does Suburban's switch stand out more than Colby's? Do you have any follow-up on your statements about Suburban's flip-flop or his responses? Given your opinion that a vote on Captain Pinkies for non-participation is "pointless and tiring", what makes him the more likely scum candidate of the Trepa voters? Honestly I have not read in depth the case against COLBY and his replies. When re-reading everything when I got back home it found it odd that both Colby and SP did the same flip flop but no one called SP on it, yet Colby was questioned about it. That is one reason why I have not focused on Colby, I am going to go back and re-read everything that was said to him and his responses. The one reason why SP stands out a little more to me is that he started flip flopping back to thinking that Trepa was not SCUM right after Gnarly pointed out that SP did make the flip flop and Colby was gaining votes on him. As for the vote on Trepa from Cap Pinkies He came on and and posted that he was here and then an hour later voted Trepa. He never came back the rest of the day to see the discussion. To me he was going with what the majority were saying to place a vote. By him not coming back and stating anything after that it just seemed that he knew he was town. Just a thought. He's been around a lot lately too, just not posting a thing.
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Jul 11, 2011 17:04:11 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 11, 2011 17:04:11 GMT -5
So in looking at who jumped on the Trepa bandwagon, Cap Pinkies sticks out the most to me. He just followed suit of everyone else. I am still suspicious of SP for his switch on Trepa. For now, Outrun Cap Pinkies/b]
For his bandwagon (going with the majority) vote and his lack of participation (I know shocker).You're still suspicious of me? funny, because you never actually mentioned that before. Sure, you asked me a few questions earlier Today (Posts 39, 41, and 42), but you never quite let on that you suspected me of being Scum: unlike guiri, who was much more pointed in his questioning. You never addressed my replies to you (though I assume from your most recent statement you found them unsatisfactory, and now instead of voting for me you're putting a vote down on Pinkies for doing exactly the same thing he does in every game. It looks to me like you're making a 'safe' vote (voting for Pinkies is always safe, it seems) while waiting to see if a bandwagon develops on me...then you can change your vote and say "I was always suspicious of him". Vote: Just BeingGinger [/color] Incidentally, I'm not getting a Scum vive from guiri. He has come out strongly on the offensive against a number of players, something that Scum generally shy away from.[/quote] The one thing that sticks out to me is your flip flopping post about the bandwagon on trepa, where you now think that trepa might be town but you don't move your vote. I am not so suspicious of you that I am placing a vote on you. I start the game off being suspicious of everyone and with time and posts does that go away, it is almost everyone is guilty and you have to show that you are innocent. I never stated that I was suspicious of you but if I question you, there is something in my head that goes hmmmm...... Yes, I would rather vote off someone that is not playing and posted 2 time on Day 1 and none toDay, than someone I am somewhat suspicious of. I know Cap Pinkies posted toDay but they don't count. He has said nothing of substance. Sorry, I did not reply to you sooner than this, I had a very busy weekend that included a trip to Chuck E Cheese, I had to rest to gain back those brain cells.
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Day 2
Jul 11, 2011 18:21:01 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 11, 2011 18:21:01 GMT -5
Incidentally, I'm not getting a Scum vive from guiri. He has come out strongly on the offensive against a number of players, something that Scum generally shy away from. I am not, in any way, shape, or form, prepared to say that guiri's behavior is or is not Scummy. Particularly not after Scooby Doo and Alice.
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Jul 11, 2011 20:31:08 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 11, 2011 20:31:08 GMT -5
The one thing that sticks out to me is your flip flopping post about the bandwagon on trepa, where you now think that trepa might be town but you don't move your vote. I am not so suspicious of you that I am placing a vote on you. I start the game off being suspicious of everyone and with time and posts does that go away, it is almost everyone is guilty and you have to show that you are innocent. I never stated that I was suspicious of you but if I question you, there is something in my head that goes hmmmm...... Yes, I would rather vote off someone that is not playing and posted 2 time on Day 1 and none toDay, than someone I am somewhat suspicious of. I know Cap Pinkies posted toDay but they don't count. He has said nothing of substance. Sorry, I did not reply to you sooner than this, I had a very busy weekend that included a trip to Chuck E Cheese, I had to rest to gain back those brain cells. I never said that I thought Trepa to be Town. I said that I was beginning to wonder if I was making a mistake with my vote, due to the lack of any opposing bandwagon. Even so, as I said at the time, I didn't think there was a better case to be made elsewhere, so I didn't change my vote. Technically you are correct that I thought Trepa might be Town, but that could be said of every single player in the game at this point (just as you say you are suspicious of everyone because every player might be Scum). But if I had thought that he was "most likely Town", then I would have changed my vote. And you did say you were suspicious of me. Specifically, you said you were still suspicious of me ( Post 108), which led me to believe that you had already been suspicious of me at some point before that, though you had failed to mention it at the time.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 10:49:19 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 12, 2011 10:49:19 GMT -5
I'm not magic bagging. I had something I thought was suspicious, I didn't get back in time to post, and the reveals changed my mind about it.
There was a risk inherent in posting the information, but I thought the risk was worth it when I suspected Colby strongly. With half of my reason taken away, it's no longer worth the risk.
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Jul 12, 2011 11:25:04 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 12, 2011 11:25:04 GMT -5
I'm not magic bagging. I had something I thought was suspicious, I didn't get back in time to post, and the reveals changed my mind about it. There was a risk inherent in posting the information, but I thought the risk was worth it when I suspected Colby strongly. With half of my reason taken away, it's no longer worth the risk. And you say this isn't magic bagging... but you don't suspect colby11 strongly now.... why ? Because of the reveals... I can't see that that would change anyones mind greatly on which side someone is on. You say it was "information" (your words) not a point of view or an opinion ?? I find your wording strange indeed .
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Jul 12, 2011 14:06:13 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 12, 2011 14:06:13 GMT -5
I'm not magic bagging. I had something I thought was suspicious, I didn't get back in time to post, and the reveals changed my mind about it. There was a risk inherent in posting the information, but I thought the risk was worth it when I suspected Colby strongly. With half of my reason taken away, it's no longer worth the risk. And you say this isn't magic bagging... but you don't suspect colby11 strongly now.... why ? Because of the reveals... I can't see that that would change anyones mind greatly on which side someone is on. You say it was "information" (your words) not a point of view or an opinion ?? I find your wording strange indeed . i agree that the word used is strange as well. but what i really found stranger was not sharing what that is. i realize there's the urge to keep some things close to the vest but information is good for town especially in the first few Days. i felt the same way in Alice when i didn't want to share the full nature of my powers yet in the end i agreed that my fellow players had to be reassured. we lynched scum that Day and won even if i voted for the wrong person.
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