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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 15:20:56 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 12, 2011 15:20:56 GMT -5
I'm not magic bagging. I had something I thought was suspicious, I didn't get back in time to post, and the reveals changed my mind about it. There was a risk inherent in posting the information, but I thought the risk was worth it when I suspected Colby strongly. With half of my reason taken away, it's no longer worth the risk. And you say this isn't magic bagging... but you don't suspect colby11 strongly now.... why ? Because of the reveals... I can't see that that would change anyones mind greatly on which side someone is on. You say it was "information" (your words) not a point of view or an opinion ?? I find your wording strange indeed . Sorry if my wording is making things unclear. I'm using information too loosely here. What I mean is the information in the reveal changed my opinion of Colby. It's not that I have information on Colby I'm refusing to share. Sharing my opinion of Colby (that I no longer feel is valid) may give away information that I don't want scum to have. 1. I saw something in Colby's post that bothered me. In spite of the fact that there was a risk inherent in sharing it, I would have shared it, because it bothered me enough that I thought it was significant. 2. I didn't make it back in time to do so. 3. The reveals posted allayed my suspicion of Colby. 4. Therefore, there is no longer a reason to take the risk when I don't see any benefit to revealing what I saw.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 15:29:57 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 12, 2011 15:29:57 GMT -5
1. I saw something in Colby's post that bothered me. In spite of the fact that there was a risk inherent in sharing it, I would have shared it, because it bothered me enough that I thought it was significant. 2. I didn't make it back in time to do so. 3. The reveals posted allayed my suspicion of Colby. 4. Therefore, there is no longer a reason to take the risk when I don't see any benefit to revealing what I saw. You just don't want to make the Doc's job too easy Tonight, do you?
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 16:09:31 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 12, 2011 16:09:31 GMT -5
@SuburbanP huh? What does Archangel have to do with the Doc's job?
@Archangel "The reveals"? Do you mean this reveal? I voted for Colby yesterday, and if this makes him less suspicious, I wish you would explain how.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 16:17:48 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 12, 2011 16:17:48 GMT -5
@ SuburbanP huh? What does Archangel have to do with the Doc's job? No matter which way I read Archangel's posts, she seems to be implying a Power Role: Otherwise, what could she have seen in colby's posts/the death reveals that are of consequence, and that would be dangerous to reveal now? So now the Scum have another target (besides fubbleskag) to possibly shoot at, giving our Doc a slightly harder decision than he had last Night. Assuming, of course, that Archangel isn't Scum herself, and trying to convince the Doc to protect her instead of fubbleskag.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 16:36:13 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 12, 2011 16:36:13 GMT -5
Oh. That was not how I was reading AAngel at all. I thought she was implying that Colby was a power role. Colby himself implied that he was not vanilla when he thought all players would be different animals. The scum already know whether or not Colby is scum or not. If AAngel has some reason to think that Colby is a power role rather than scum, I wish she would spit it out and quit being so coy.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 16:40:01 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 12, 2011 16:40:01 GMT -5
NETA...In any case, I would think the Doc's job would be easy...protect fubbles, the known power role. Not only is he next to confirmed, but his power role is arguably the biggest power.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 16:49:13 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 12, 2011 16:49:13 GMT -5
Originally I thought she was intimating that she thought colby had a Power Role, but she explicitly denied that earlier Today. the next most likely scenario involves Archangel having a Power Role herself.
As for the Doc, I agree that protecting the Cop is Job #1, but in that case it seems to leave Archangel as a likely target Tonight. If she is a Power, that's not good for the rest of us.
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 17:04:36 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 12, 2011 17:04:36 GMT -5
I was thinking she thought Colby and someone else were aligned.
The reveals lessened her doubts on colby, the other person, or both.
I fail, however to see any situation where revealing her thoughts are anti-Town aside from unless she thinks colby and another person might be masons.
And if that's the case, I'm certain the Scum are working on it.
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Alternatively, she's just making crap up and can't come up with a good reason for her flip-flop
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 20:30:31 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jul 12, 2011 20:30:31 GMT -5
]I’ll get to some of the earlier stuff but I will start here Originally I thought she was intimating that she thought colby had a Power Role but she explicitly denied that earlier Today . Underling mine Where did you read that? I’m not getting that I’ve been following this and yes, I know I haven’t said much- (in my line of work when it’s ON it’s ON and having the time to compose a post that won’t getya killed has not been possible=short statements are suspect) I can track what Archangel is alluding to ……… Scum can too……….. AND I can see where putting it out in black and white could be considered anti-Town………………… suburbanplankton seems to be advocating that the Doc actually consider protecting someone besides the Elephant. That sounds wrong to me outrun suburbanplankton Yes there is more to it than that: I read this I voted with basically the same argument after Meeko told us that scum were Rabids and then asked Fubbles if the word appeared in his PM before you made your comment about my vote reasoning being weak. Are you sure you didn't change your mind for another reason? The deciding factor was the fact that fubbleskag did have the term 'rabid' in his PM. Before that, it was a term that may or may not have had an 'official' meaning in the game, so the fact that Trepa independently 'coined' it was curious, but not suspicious. Once we found out that it was an 'official' term (that is; it was used in a PM) it seemed to me less likely that Trepa had come up with the term independently, and more likely that he had seen it somewhere else. Of course, there is something that I notice Today, which escaped my notice Yesterday. The word that was used by Trepa that caused all of the kerfluffle was ' rabids'. In your Post 76 you ask if anyone else has seen the word ' rabids'. But when fubbleskag answers in Post 125, he tells us his PM mentions the work ' rabid' (no 's'). That's not the same thing, and it doesn't necessarily carry the same connotations. Perhaps if I had noticed the distinction Yesterday I would have judged things differently. Perhaps not; I can't say at this point. And in any case, that's water under the bridge now. The last bit looks like a bit of an ‘excuse’ for ‘accidently’ lynching Town to me I'm not saying I think Archangel is Town.. I could go either way there (it could be a Scum trying to cover tracks on a possible reveal of Scum processing)
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Day 2
Jul 12, 2011 21:19:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 12, 2011 21:19:31 GMT -5
Reply 158 has me leaning town on you, Lightfoot. I don't think, as Scum, you would have stuck yourself out there like that. Of course, that might be just what you want everyone to think....
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 3:03:39 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2011 3:03:39 GMT -5
I became a Grandmother yesterday I read LightFoots post with great interest and this is what I came up with. In post #79 on Day1 Suburban Plankton didn’t agree with giuri’s vote on Trepa (concerning the word Rabids),in fact he said it was a pretty weak argument to hang a vote on. He then votes for Trepa because he can’t make a better case against anyone else at the moment. It was in post #134 that SB voted for Trepa for the same reason other people had voted for him i.e. the word rabids. He kept his vote on Trepa even after the story of the Lemmings came out, other Lemmings would have taken their vote off Trepa (I think), so either SB has a Power role or he is Scum. In post #59 on Day 2 he is making excuses for keeping his vote on Trepa. In post #124 on Day 2 he places a vote on JustBeingGinger because she said she was suspicious of him but voted for Cap Tain Pinkies, although I agree that a vote on Pinkies is a “safe” vote the same can be said of placing a vote on JBG in my opinion. In post #153 SB seems to be setting Archangel up for a Night Kill, why would Town do this? He does it again in post #156. SB has also said he doesn't get a scum vibe from guiri,is he protecting guiri as I found guiri very suspicious, that's why I voted for him. I will still keep my eye on guiri but for now I think there is a stronger case against Suburban Plankton. Match Speed with guiriOutrun Suburban Plankton
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 3:24:32 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 13, 2011 3:24:32 GMT -5
In post #153 SB seems to be setting Archangel up for a Night Kill, why would Town do this? He does it again in post #156. a more appropriate question might be, why would Scum do this?
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 3:36:01 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2011 3:36:01 GMT -5
In post #153 SB seems to be setting Archangel up for a Night Kill, why would Town do this? He does it again in post #156. a more appropriate question might be, why would Scum do this? Because if Archangel was Night Killed then Suburban Plankton could say "I told you so" and gain some Town cred even though he had had her killed. A bit convoluted I know but scum are convoluted
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 8:14:11 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 13, 2011 8:14:11 GMT -5
Vote Count Captain Pinkies (2) : Special Ed, JustBeingGinger Suburbanplankton (2) : Lightfoot, SilverJan Texcat (1) : Inner Stickler Archangel (1) : moodymitchy Moodymitchy (1) : Guiri JustBeingGinger (1) : Suburban Plankton Colby11 (1) : Sister Coyote
Day ends in under:
1 day, 14 hours, 48 minutes
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 9:31:42 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 13, 2011 9:31:42 GMT -5
]I’ll get to some of the earlier stuff but I will start here Originally I thought she was intimating that she thought colby had a Power Role but she explicitly denied that earlier Today . Underling mine Where did you read that? Here: I'm puzzled as to how it could be anti-Town to share something that you suspected. but no longer do. Un;ess of course it leads you to suspect that colby is a power role, in which case, you've jsut telegraphed your suspicion to the Scum and I'm sure they'll look into it. That's not my reason for not sharing it. (Although at least 2 other people have stated that suspicion, most recently Guiri, so I'm sure scum HAVE noticed it at this point.) I won't say more than that because I think it's anti-Town, but at a time when I see the risk outweigh the benefit, I will. Ed suggests that Archangel didn't want to share her thoughts because she suspected colby was a Power Role; Archangel states that was not the case. NOTE: The 'parent' quotes below are all from LightFoot's Post 158 (the same Post I quote at the top of this one); the nested quotes within are all mine, that she quotes in that Post.OK. I am. Either Archangel is Vanilla Town, Power Town, or Scum. If she's Vanilla, then she has no special information that is hidden from the rest of us. That means that whatever it is she suspected was something she simply gleaned from reading the thread. In that case, there is no reason not to share it with the rest of us, because if she saw it then it's pretty darn likely the Scum saw it as well, since they have quite a few more eyes looking at things. So I infer the is not vanilla. I doubt she's trying to imply she's Scum, therefore she must be implying she's a Power. I could be wrong, but it seems fairly transparent to me; again, if I can see it, it stands to reason the Scum can see it as well. Um, no...where did you read that? The Doc should protect the Cop and no one else at ths stage. I was pointing out that by 'magic bagging', Archangel has put a target on her back. Why she has done this, or whether or not it was intentional, I don't know, but it bothers me.
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 9:46:24 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 13, 2011 9:46:24 GMT -5
I became a Grandmother yesterday I read LightFoots post with great interest and this is what I came up with. In post #79 on Day1 Suburban Plankton didn’t agree with giuri’s vote on Trepa (concerning the word Rabids),in fact he said it was a pretty weak argument to hang a vote on. He then votes for Trepa because he can’t make a better case against anyone else at the moment. It was in post #134 that SB voted for Trepa for the same reason other people had voted for him i.e. the word rabids. He kept his vote on Trepa even after the story of the Lemmings came out, other Lemmings would have taken their vote off Trepa (I think), so either SB has a Power role or he is Scum. In post #59 on Day 2 he is making excuses for keeping his vote on Trepa. In post #124 on Day 2 he places a vote on JustBeingGinger because she said she was suspicious of him but voted for Cap Tain Pinkies, although I agree that a vote on Pinkies is a “safe” vote the same can be said of placing a vote on JBG in my opinion. In post #153 SB seems to be setting Archangel up for a Night Kill, why would Town do this? He does it again in post #156. SB has also said he doesn't get a scum vibe from guiri,is he protecting guiri as I found guiri very suspicious, that's why I voted for him. I will still keep my eye on guiri but for now I think there is a stronger case against Suburban Plankton. Match Speed with guiriOutrun Suburban PlanktonOK, a few comments here: You seem to have me voting for Trepa twice: in Post #79 and again in Post #134. I didn't vote in Post #79. As to why I changed my mind on Trepa by Post #134; I've already explained that more than once and don't really wish to do so again here. I kept my vote on Trepa even after 'the story of the Lemmings' came out; this is true. Six other people also voted for him Yesterday. By your logic here, all 7 of us are either Scum or Power Roles, is that correct? You think my vote on JGB was 'safe'. OK, I can live with that. I am setting Archangel up for a Night Kill, which you say (correctly) that Town would not do. But why would Scum do it? I know you've answered the question, but your answer makes no sense. How would anyone gain Town cred from such an action?
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 9:55:37 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 13, 2011 9:55:37 GMT -5
Meeko, what is the tie-breaking procedure in this game? I've looked back, but can't seem to find it posted?
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 13, 2011 10:34:08 GMT -5
[OOG] Apparently there's a lot less internet at the family vacation spot than I thought (read: none) so I will be offline mostly until next Tuesday but rest assured I'm google mapping for starbucks as we speak.[/oog]
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 12:11:13 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 13, 2011 12:11:13 GMT -5
Meeko, what is the tie-breaking procedure in this game? I've looked back, but can't seem to find it posted? If the leading vote is tied, All lynch candidates so tied [NOT the voters] will be put into a pool. One candidate randomly selected from that pool will be the day's lynch. Hopefully that's clear.
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 14:41:56 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2011 14:41:56 GMT -5
Original post by Suburban Plankton
I didn't have you voting in 2 posts, I did say that you voted in post #134. Maybe I should have been more clear and said that later on (after post #79) you voted for Trepa. There is no reason to reiterate your reasons, I have read them and I voted.
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 13, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
@ SilverJan, congratulations!
@ Archangel, yesterDay you mentioned you were mildly suspicious of two people, have your suspicions of the second player also been assuaged by the information in the reveals? Or was it the color that changed your mind? Do you think it's likely that scum may have worked out what you're on about?
Are you still midly suspicious of Colby despite the fact that one of your reasons for being suspicious yesterDay is no longer valid?
Will you vote toDay?
@ MoodyMitchy, I disliked your vote on Archangel because you were accusing her of holding back information regarding scum when in fact she said that she was no longer as suspicious of Colby as her "information" was incorrect.
@ Deni, are you ready to share your thoughts yet?
@ Storyteller, how's that catching up going?
@ CatInASuit, have you finished reading D1 yet?
@ Captain Pinkies, I'm thirsty, what do you suggest?
@ JustBeingGinger, what are your thoughts on Colby's flip-flop? I think Suburban wasn't questioned (but I did mention it!) because his change of heart seemed to be based on a process of elimination, unlikely Colby's which made no sense. Suburban's D2 backtracks, however, make me suspicious although I'm also suspicious why you chose not to follow-up on any of his responses. You didn't question him, you simply commented on his D1 posts.
@ Lightfoot, you say you can track what Archangel's getting at and so can scum. While you agree with Archangel that's it's anti-town to reveal it, if scum can understand what it is too, can it really hurt us that much more to share it?
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 15:50:03 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jul 13, 2011 15:50:03 GMT -5
@ guiri I like your listing Quickly from work- Many times (and different games) I have read “If you can see it so can Scum” . What If there is indeed something that Scum has not deduced? I have seen where Scum said “I didn’t see/think of that” (yes it was me) I hope to have some decent computer time after work this evening
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 16:14:48 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jul 13, 2011 16:14:48 GMT -5
I said she was holding back information... she has said she's seen something (or thought she saw something) and has then chosen not to share it.
To me that's not helpful to TOWN. If she is no longer suspicious of Colby11 then , I think it might help the rest of us understand why not if we were told why...
All we've been told is that it's due to the reveals.... so we've had Trepa Mayfield and cassidyscarlet die so far. Both have been vanilla TOWN.
If it was something to do with interaction with one of these 2 then what ? I'm not getting how her opinion can have changed so quickly on these 2 results...
Now people are suggesting that Archangel could herself be alluding to have a power... Hmmmm that's possible but we've already had "our" Cop claim... and there's not been a counterclaim.. so the remaining powers available to TOWN don't have any investigative properties... so I still don't get how the opinion could change so much just based on Day 1 interaction and a couple of reveals...
I've agreed with people ... I've disagreed with people... that has no bearing to which side they might be on because I don't know what side anyone is on.
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 16:37:35 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2011 16:37:35 GMT -5
[OOG] Apparently there's a lot less internet at the family vacation spot than I thought (read: none) so I will be offline mostly until next Tuesday but rest assured I'm google mapping for starbucks as we speak.[/oog] At least you are away in both games lol, enjoy your holiday
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 16:49:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 13, 2011 16:49:42 GMT -5
An open letter to our Vigilante:
Dear Killing Machine,
Please use your power to cull from our midst the non-participatory Captain Pinkies this Night.
Respectfully, Ed
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 16:58:42 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2011 16:58:42 GMT -5
Why does Cap sign up for games?
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 17:50:16 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 13, 2011 17:50:16 GMT -5
Many times (and different games) I have read “If you can see it so can Scum” . What If there is indeed something that Scum has not deduced? I have seen where Scum said “I didn’t see/think of that” (yes it was me) I understand. I didn't see the condition in your statement so I thought you were saying that it was something obvious to all: I can track what Archangel is alluding to ……… Scum can too……….. AND I can see where putting it out in black and white could be considered anti-Town………………… I said she was holding back information... she has said she's seen something (or thought she saw something) and has then chosen not to share it. To me that's not helpful to TOWN. If she is no longer suspicious of Colby11 then , I think it might help the rest of us understand why not if we were told why... You said: Your "magic bag" I can't say at the moment it's anti TOWN comment is really pinging me at the moment. If you've seen something regarding SCUM then surely it's best to share it. Archangel may well be bluffing with this whole thing but, as far as I've understood, she's admitted that part of her suspicion of Colby was based on a faulty deduction/assumption/reasoning (and presumably not useful for catching scum) and that she is now less suspicious as half of her case is gone, she's not claiming to have discovered a way to hunt scum and she's not claiming that Colby is clear of suspicion. Sure, it's weird that she'd pop in on D1 when Trepa was leading with 8 votes to Colby's 3, say that she'd seen something incriminating about Colby and someone else, thought it may be anti-town to reveal but then decided to go ahead, promise to do a WoW on Colby, and then disappear till after Day end only to pop up the next Day saying she'd messed up and refuse to explain how.
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Day 2
Jul 13, 2011 19:15:54 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 13, 2011 19:15:54 GMT -5
An open letter to our Vigilante: Dear Killing Machine, Please use your power to cull from our midst the non-participatory Captain Pinkies this Night. Respectfully, Ed Pinkies did, at least, vote Yesterday. Those who ended the Day without a vote: Metallicsquink (now Inner Stickler) Deni storyteller Silver Jan Trepa (now deceased) CIAS
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Day 2
Jul 14, 2011 9:15:41 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2011 9:15:41 GMT -5
@ SilverJan, congratulations! @ Archangel, yesterDay you mentioned you were mildly suspicious of two people, have your suspicions of the second player also been assuaged by the information in the reveals? Or was it the color that changed your mind? Do you think it's likely that scum may have worked out what you're on about? Are you still midly suspicious of Colby despite the fact that one of your reasons for being suspicious yesterDay is no longer valid? Will you vote toDay? @ MoodyMitchy, I disliked your vote on Archangel because you were accusing her of holding back information regarding scum when in fact she said that she was no longer as suspicious of Colby as her "information" was incorrect. @ Deni, are you ready to share your thoughts yet? @ Storyteller, how's that catching up going? @ CatInASuit, have you finished reading D1 yet? @ Captain Pinkies, I'm thirsty, what do you suggest? @ JustBeingGinger, what are your thoughts on Colby's flip-flop? I think Suburban wasn't questioned (but I did mention it!) because his change of heart seemed to be based on a process of elimination, unlikely Colby's which made no sense. Suburban's D2 backtracks, however, make me suspicious although I'm also suspicious why you chose not to follow-up on any of his responses. You didn't question him, you simply commented on his D1 posts. @ Lightfoot, you say you can track what Archangel's getting at and so can scum. While you agree with Archangel that's it's anti-town to reveal it, if scum can understand what it is too, can it really hurt us that much more to share it? 1. Yes, my suspicions of the other player I was suspicious of were similarly assuaged by the reveals. And in spite of Edthinking I thought I saw Colby and someone else connected as masons, that's not the case. (It's a reasonable assumption based on what I'm saying, but it's incorrect.) 2. I have no idea if scum worked out what I saw. I appear to confuse everyone (for that I'm sorry, it's not intentional) so in this case I'm hoping they're equally confused. 3. Yes, I'm still mildly suspicious of Colby, putting all of this aside. My second reason (what I see as his flip-flop on Trepa) still stands and there's another reason now. You and several other people pointed out yesterday that he had non-vanilla town tells. Given that, he may be a town power, or may be scum. He survived the night, so that makes me lean toward scum. 4. Yes, I am going to vote today. Colby, I think I asked this of you yesterday but perhaps I forgot. Before this game, have you ever played scum? Deni, why didn't you vote yesterday?
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Day 2
Jul 14, 2011 9:16:41 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2011 9:16:41 GMT -5
@ SuburbanP huh? What does Archangel have to do with the Doc's job? @ Archangel "The reveals"? Do you mean this reveal? I voted for Colby yesterday, and if this makes him less suspicious, I wish you would explain how. This reveal, plus Trepa's reveal. And I'm not saying it makes him less suspicious in general, I'm saying it knocked down one of my (2 at the time) suspicions of him.
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