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Post by special on Jul 17, 2011 17:31:02 GMT -5
bah! What good is saying "I am Town"? It's meaningless. It is not saying by any means that a person is really town. I have seen Colby play town many times but never seen him play SCUM. It was more of a behavior that I was looking for to being the lynch leader. why would you expect it out of the lynch leader? That confuses me. It's a meaningless statement. I don't waste posts saying "I'm Town" "You'll see" "You'll be sorry" When I'm the lynch leader. I might express what I think should be done once I'm dead. I might claim my role. But why waste time professing to be Town?
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Post by guiri on Jul 17, 2011 17:45:23 GMT -5
Oh and if SCUM deduce that I might be a power role... then why not kill me... oh yeah that's right because I'm SCUM... sorry I was forgetting how simple this game was I thought that's what you said here: Now yesterDay people were hinting that Archangel herself could have been hinting that she was some sort of power... why then is she NOT dead and please ... if you are so good at checking everything.... could you at least try to spot there are NO capitals in my username... Thanks for your cooperation Sorry, I was over-compensating for yesterDay. guiri could you at least have the decency to use my full username when you vote me ... I try my best to use peoples full usernames when I post... just a little gripe of mine...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 17, 2011 17:53:05 GMT -5
It is not saying by any means that a person is really town. I have seen Colby play town many times but never seen him play SCUM. It was more of a behavior that I was looking for to being the lynch leader. why would you expect it out of the lynch leader? That confuses me. It's a meaningless statement. I don't waste posts saying "I'm Town" "You'll see" "You'll be sorry" When I'm the lynch leader. I might express what I think should be done once I'm dead. I might claim my role. But why waste time professing to be Town? Everyone is different in their reaction to being lynched. In some games people have sworn up and down to be town. Others like I said say "you'll be sorry"... From my little experience with the game, scum either say I am town to the last minute or they just vanish. Then you have others that post fake PM's with many errors...
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Post by Archangel on Jul 17, 2011 21:17:15 GMT -5
Vote Ed
I believe he knew Colby was scum and was trying to discredit me.
Sorry, Lightfoot, I cannot say what I thought I saw. Regardless of Colby flipping scum I was wrong about what I thought I saw and refuse to tell, and it does not benefit town to point it out. (It will affect other people.)
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Post by special on Jul 17, 2011 21:31:07 GMT -5
Vote EdI believe he knew Colby was scum and was trying to discredit me. Sorry, Lightfoot, I cannot say what I thought I saw. Regardless of Colby flipping scum I was wrong about what I thought I saw and refuse to tell, and it does not benefit town to point it out. (It will affect other people.) Translation: I thought I could skate by with my flip-flop by just saying it would be anti-Town to reveal my reasons. Now I can't come up with anything that justifies both the flip-flop and the failure to say why.
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Post by special on Jul 17, 2011 21:36:20 GMT -5
Archangel, if you really are Town, I can't wait to read your explanation in the post game as to what you thought was so anti-Town that you couldn't talk about it even after colby flipped Scum. Of course, at this point, I think it's unlikely that will happen.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 17, 2011 22:27:59 GMT -5
Sorry, Lightfoot, I cannot say what I thought I saw. Regardless of Colby flipping scum I was wrong about what I thought I saw and refuse to tell, and it does not benefit town to point it out. (It will affect other people.) JBG I was coming here to point that very post (the-sorry gotta vote you-post). NOW would be a very good time for Archangel to reveal what it was that she would not post as it cannot not be anti-Town now. Yes, I know I said I saw something and I have my explanation time stamped and ready to post AFTER Archangel shares hers. Archangel, let me see if I have this straight: Day 1, you saw something that made you suspicious of colby, but you didn't say anything at the time Day 2, you were no longer suspicious of colby because of the reveals, but still didn't want to say anything because it would be 'anti-Town' Day 3, it turns out colby was Scum, so your initial suspicion was shown to be correct. Whatever it was that caused you to no longer be suspicious was apparently incorrect. So whatever it was that you might have shared with us on Day 2 turned out to be incorrect thinking (since your suspicions should not have been assuaged)...so what harm can come of sharing it now? You say it will "affect other people"; what of it? Your instincts have already shouwn to be fallible, so why not share what you have seen and let the rest of us come to our own conclusions? LightFoot, do you think that now would be a good time to share whatever it is you have to say?
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Post by Meeko on Jul 17, 2011 22:28:02 GMT -5
Vote Count
Archangel (2) : moodymitchy,specialEd Suburban Plankton (1) : JBGinger moodymitchy (1) : Guiri Special Ed (1) : Archangel
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Scum could NOT talk on Night 0.
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Post by special on Jul 17, 2011 22:31:12 GMT -5
Did the Scum know the identities of their teammates when Day 1 began?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 17, 2011 22:33:18 GMT -5
On a sad note. If Scum claims Town lemming and a true Town Lemming has the same genus It will do nothing for them to counterclaim. The way I see it it will only out another vanilla and lessen the pool for Scum to find ‘power’ roles. You seem to be assuming quite a bit regarding the genera of lemmings in this game. Do you know that there can only be a certain number of players with the same genus?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 17, 2011 22:49:00 GMT -5
Outrun Suburban PlanktonYou then posted and asked this question: So you don't think I'm Scum, and this is purely a vote to save your own hide? I think Colby was clearly stating that he was doing it to save himself. Why did you want Colby to state that you were not SCUM. Were you afraid that when he flipped SCUM that it shined the light on you for what he stated? I'm not even sure I understand the question here? I didn't ask colby to state that I was or was not Scum; I asked him to clarify the reasons for his vote. What difference would it make to anyone if colby (or anyone else) had posted "Suburban Plankton is not Scum"? If a Scum posts such a claim, then it's naturally going to be suspect because he is Scum. If a Townie posts it, then it's going to be suspect due to the fact that the Townie can't know whether or not it is true (setting aside the case of an investigation result). I fail to see how anything that colby said about me shines any light on anything, since we now know he was not trustworthy. I don't protect fellow Scum. That way lies madness. Of course, you have no way of knowing whether or not this is true, I know.
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Post by LightFoot on Jul 18, 2011 10:35:53 GMT -5
Sorry, Lightfoot, I cannot say what I thought I saw. Regardless of Colby flipping scum I was wrong about what I thought I saw and refuse to tell, and it does not benefit town to point it out. (It will affect other people.) JBG I was coming here to point that very post (the-sorry gotta vote you-post). NOW would be a very good time for Archangel to reveal what it was that she would not post as it cannot not be anti-Town now. Yes, I know I said I saw something and I have my explanation time stamped and ready to post AFTER Archangel shares hers. Archangel, let me see if I have this straight: Day 1, you saw something that made you suspicious of colby, but you didn't say anything at the time Day 2, you were no longer suspicious of colby because of the reveals, but still didn't want to say anything because it would be 'anti-Town' Day 3, it turns out colby was Scum, so your initial suspicion was shown to be correct. Whatever it was that caused you to no longer be suspicious was apparently incorrect. So whatever it was that you might have shared with us on Day 2 turned out to be incorrect thinking (since your suspicions should not have been assuaged)...so what harm can come of sharing it now? You say it will "affect other people"; what of it? Your instincts have already shouwn to be fallible, so why not share what you have seen and let the rest of us come to our own conclusions? LightFoot, do you think that now would be a good time to share whatever it is you have to say? What I thought I saw. Colby came out that each player should/would be a different animal in hindsight maybe too much so It was revealed that we had more than one lemming in the vanilla pool. (I did lean towards Scum being all the same animal as well) So= my reasoning made Colby either the Vig or the Doc ( If for some reason Scum had not thought the same way I had I hesitated to type my suspicion)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later in the day I did add possible Scum to that list so: If Colby would have lived (and NOT targeted by Scum last Night) I would have pushed for the Vig toDay because I was sure that if the collective picked up what I did and they would take a shot at him unless he was one of them.
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Post by LightFoot on Jul 18, 2011 10:38:22 GMT -5
On a sad note. If Scum claims Town lemming and a true Town Lemming has the same genus It will do nothing for them to counterclaim. The way I see it it will only out another vanilla and lessen the pool for Scum to find ‘power’ roles. You seem to be assuming quite a bit regarding the genera of lemmings in this game. Do you know that there can only be a certain number of players with the same genus? We've already seen 2 pairs (and one was Scum). I guess I don't understand your question?
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 10:38:33 GMT -5
Did the Scum know the identities of their teammates when Day 1 began? No.
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 10:58:11 GMT -5
Wow! I need to re-read D1 with that in mind. It certainly puts Archangel's D2 comments into a new light and makes GnarlyCharlie's D2 vote on Colby a possible bus, I couldn't understand why he'd be reluctant to vote someone he'd voted the previous Day.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 18, 2011 11:27:29 GMT -5
So they may not of known who the fellow SCUM are but if they can talk during the day, they figured it out very quickly, I would assume. Without reading back does anyone know if they CAN talk during the Day? Ed's question stated at the BEGINNING of Day 1.
Has SCUM ever had to try to find the other SCUM as in some Mason type roles?
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 11:28:27 GMT -5
Did the Scum know the identities of their teammates when Day 1 began? No. Holy Shit!
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 11:29:35 GMT -5
Did the Scum know who their teammates were before the end of Day 1?
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 11:31:12 GMT -5
So they may not of known who the fellow SCUM are but if they can talk during the day, they figured it out very quickly, I would assume. Without reading back does anyone know if they CAN talk during the Day? Ed's question stated at the BEGINNING of Day 1. Has SCUM ever had to try to find the other SCUM as in some Mason type roles? I can recall games where 1 Scum was hidden, and either could join the Scum when they found each other. I also recall a game where an unknown Scum had only hobbled and anonymous communication with their teammates.
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 11:50:04 GMT -5
So they may not of known who the fellow SCUM are but if they can talk during the day, they figured it out very quickly, I would assume. Without reading back does anyone know if they CAN talk during the Day? Ed's question stated at the BEGINNING of Day 1. Special Ed asked on D1: [/color][/quote] 3. No.[/quote] So, pending Meeko's confirmation, it seems they couldn't talk during Night 0 or Day 1 and, as they didn't know each other at the start of Day 1, they didn't know who their fellow scum were until Night 1.
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 11:55:47 GMT -5
What I thought I saw. Colby came out that each player should/would be a different animal in hindsight maybe too much so It was revealed that we had more than one lemming in the vanilla pool. (I did lean towards Scum being all the same animal as well) So= my reasoning made Colby either the Vig or the Doc ( If for some reason Scum had not thought the same way I had I hesitated to type my suspicion)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later in the day I did add possible Scum to that list so: If Colby would have lived (and NOT targeted by Scum last Night) I would have pushed for the Vig toDay because I was sure that if the collective picked up what I did and they would take a shot at him unless he was one of them. I presume you are making the assumption that the masons are the same animal and that's why you excluded mason as a possible role? How is this different to what TexCat and others said D1, I repeated D2 and Archangel subsequently denied?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 12:41:31 GMT -5
You seem to be assuming quite a bit regarding the genera of lemmings in this game. Do you know that there can only be a certain number of players with the same genus? We've already seen 2 pairs (and one was Scum). I guess I don't understand your question? Reading over what you said again, I think it makes more sense now. Originally I thought you were assuming that there were exactly two of each subspecies of lemming in the game, which I think is a bad assumption. Upon reread, I no longer think that was your point.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 12:50:30 GMT -5
I guess it's time for a reread of Day 1 with the hindsight that the Scum did not know each other at the time. I wonder: what other assumptions we might all be making that we shouldn't? JustBeingGinger, you voted for me in part because you thought I was defending a fellow Scum ( colby11) on Day 1. Was it a flip-flop, though? I'm not so sure. At first, colby says he has no problem with Trepa's use of the word 'rabid' as a collective for the Scum in this game. A day later, he says that after thinking about it, the circumstance regarding the use of the word, and the fact that Trepa uses both 'scum' and 'rabids' in the same post bothers him, and so he votes. I don't consider that so much a 'flip-flop' as a 'change of mind after giving the matter closer consideration'. The former might be a Scum tell (though Town is very often guilty of it as well); the latter is good Town play (though Scum will ofter do the very same thing). In short, I don't see anything terribly wrong with colby's statements, and even if I did, I don't think it would necessarily mean much of anything. This post screams of a fellow SCUM trying to protect a newbie scum... How do you view your case now, given that we all know that couldn't have been the case?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 18, 2011 12:54:09 GMT -5
So with the news that SCUM did not know who their fellow SCUM buddies were on Day 1, then it gives more credit to SP when it comes to his post about Colby's Flip Flop, see below.
I am still suspicious of him for Colby's "saving myself" post and his reaction to it.
It does shine a light on Archangel magic bag statement and having information. Will have to re-read Day 1.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 18, 2011 12:55:28 GMT -5
I guess it's time for a reread of Day 1 with the hindsight that the Scum did not know each other at the time. I wonder: what other assumptions we might all be making that we shouldn't? JustBeingGinger, you voted for me in part because you thought I was defending a fellow Scum ( colby11) on Day 1. This post screams of a fellow SCUM trying to protect a newbie scum... How do you view your case now, given that we all know that couldn't have been the case? I just posted. We were typing at the same time. I give credit where credit it due!
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 13:38:16 GMT -5
I think it gives us a lot to think about...
I also think that it goes a long way to explaining Archangel and her non explanation of what she saw (thought she saw) with colby11 and what she still refuses to tell us because she believes it's anti TOWN.
I know I could be wrong but until I have any explanation apart from it being anti TOWN.. My vote will stay there.
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 14:35:03 GMT -5
We've already seen 2 pairs (and one was Scum). I guess I don't understand your question? Reading over what you said again, I think it makes more sense now. Originally I thought you were assuming that there were exactly two of each subspecies of lemming in the game, which I think is a bad assumption. Upon reread, I no longer think that was your point. I raised that as a possibility. Due to there being 5 lemmings in the genus lemmus and there being 10 Vanilla roles. Not really an assumption, but a possibility. And, if there really are 5 Scum, it's possible that there are 3 of each species in the genus lemmus and 1 of each os Scum.
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 14:35:52 GMT -5
I am still suspicious of him for Colby's "saving myself" post and his reaction to it. great, you're suspicious of a dead Scum.
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 14:36:30 GMT -5
oh, wait, you didn't mean Colby..hehe..
never mind.
I can read, really I can.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 15:07:05 GMT -5
I think it gives us a lot to think about... I also think that it goes a long way to explaining Archangel and her non explanation of what she saw (thought she saw) with colby11 and what she still refuses to tell us because she believes it's anti TOWN. I know I could be wrong but until I have any explanation apart from it being anti TOWN.. My vote will stay there. I'm not sure how it explains Archangel's actions. Since she steadfastly refuses to tell us anything, I have no idea what she thought she saw. How exactly does this explain things to you?
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