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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 16:10:45 GMT -5
I think it gives us a lot to think about... I also think that it goes a long way to explaining Archangel and her non explanation of what she saw (thought she saw) with colby11 and what she still refuses to tell us because she believes it's anti TOWN. I know I could be wrong but until I have any explanation apart from it being anti TOWN.. My vote will stay there. I'm not sure how it explains Archangel's actions. Since she steadfastly refuses to tell us anything, I have no idea what she thought she saw. How exactly does this explain things to you? it means, 1. She accused colby on day 1. 2. She figured out they were teammates on Night 1 3. She flip-flopped day 2 to try to help save him, but didn't have a good reason 4. She continued to fail to have a good reason to explain her flip-flop.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 16:28:19 GMT -5
I said I thought it went a long way to explaining her actions..
I have her pinned as SCUM for now... and with the information we have that SCUM didn't know each other until Night 1 and that they couldn't communicate until then...
Perhaps Archangel actually suspected on Day 1 that colby11 was TOWN... was building a case against him to get him lynched... but when Night 1 came along and they discovered they were on the same team... She had to do some real quick back tracking but hasn't managed to do it with much success..
I'm still not sure about Silver Jan either... with this new information... perhaps she put out the info she was a Lemming in the hope that it would alert some fellow SCUM to her also being on their team.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 16:30:37 GMT -5
I see there was a cross post that says exactly the same thing...
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 16:31:55 GMT -5
No scrub that I hadn't noticed that another page had been added...
But yeah what Mr Special Ed said
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 16:33:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it explains Archangel's actions. Since she steadfastly refuses to tell us anything, I have no idea what she thought she saw. How exactly does this explain things to you? it means, 1. She accused colby on day 1. 2. She figured out they were teammates on Night 1 3. She flip-flopped day 2 to try to help save him, but didn't have a good reason 4. She continued to fail to have a good reason to explain her flip-flop. Thanks, mitch. And thank you as well, moodymitchy I was reading your earlier post as saying that it provided a 'good reason' for a Townie Archangel's silence; something I was unable to see. But if you were saying that it explains why a Scummy Archangel would have acted as she did; that I can understand.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 16:35:27 GMT -5
One other thing we are assuming, that we need to confirm
Meeko, were all players made aware of their role at the beginning of the game (Night 0)?
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 16:37:42 GMT -5
Well, I understood what he meant, so why can't I put words in his mouth?
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 16:45:30 GMT -5
1. She accused colby on day 1. I get the rest and it makes sense but I keep coming back to this one, she didn't accuse him of anything. Why would she say she'd noticed something suspicious about Colby, consider revealing it not pro-town but decide to share anyway, promise to do a WoW and then disappear for the rest of the Day? At the time of her post, the Trepa lynch, which she was on, was almost a forgone conclusion (8-3) and the case against Colby was gaining little to no traction. YesterDay I suggested she may have been distancing herself from a fellow scum but that's no longer valid. Even if she thought Colby was Town, why no case? If I believe she didn't make it back before the end of the Day, I'm inclined to believe that she really felt it was not pro-Town to share her reasons for suspecting him.
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 16:47:19 GMT -5
If there were no Night 0 actions.... then how can Silver Jan possibly know what others have in their PM's ?? Did you mean to say "no Night 0 communication" (which would make a lot more sense)?
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 16:51:05 GMT -5
I'm still not sure about Silver Jan either... with this new information... perhaps she put out the info she was a Lemming in the hope that it would alert some fellow SCUM to her also being on their team. She just happened to guess (correctly) that all vanilla town were lemmings? My PM said that I was a Lemming which is this games version of Vanilla Town. By this I took it to mean that all Vanilla Town were Lemminings so by the same token I would have thought that all Scum would have the same name because they didn't have a Power Role!
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 16:54:24 GMT -5
Has it been established yet whether SCUM received a sample Vanilla TOWN pm that they could use as cover ?
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Post by moodymitchy on Jul 18, 2011 16:57:59 GMT -5
If there were no Night 0 actions.... then how can Silver Jan possibly know what others have in their PM's ?? Did you mean to say "no Night 0 communication" (which would make a lot more sense)? I'll get back to you on this one when I've had chance to go re read it in context... it's late here .
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Post by guiri on Jul 18, 2011 17:00:27 GMT -5
Given Colby's reaction to SilverJan's comments and the information that scum neither knew who each other was nor had communicated until Night 1, I now think it's very plausible that scum didn't receive cover roles.
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Post by Archangel on Jul 18, 2011 17:23:14 GMT -5
I said I thought it went a long way to explaining her actions.. I have her pinned as SCUM for now... and with the information we have that SCUM didn't know each other until Night 1 and that they couldn't communicate until then... Perhaps Archangel actually suspected on Day 1 that colby11 was TOWN... was building a case against him to get him lynched... but when Night 1 came along and they discovered they were on the same team... She had to do some real quick back tracking but hasn't managed to do it with much success.. I'm still not sure about Silver Jan either... with this new information... perhaps she put out the info she was a Lemming in the hope that it would alert some fellow SCUM to her also being on their team. That is certainly a plausible theory given the revelation that scum didn't know who each other were Day One. Nonetheless, I'm not scum, and I still won't say what I saw because it's anti-town. I'm getting awfully tired of hearing I couldn't figure out a cover story, though. If I'm scum they'd be able to help me come up with one by now, non?
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Post by Archangel on Jul 18, 2011 17:30:06 GMT -5
Sorry, Lightfoot, I cannot say what I thought I saw. Regardless of Colby flipping scum I was wrong about what I thought I saw and refuse to tell, and it does not benefit town to point it out. (It will affect other people.) JBG I was coming here to point that very post (the-sorry gotta vote you-post). NOW would be a very good time for Archangel to reveal what it was that she would not post as it cannot not be anti-Town now. Yes, I know I said I saw something and I have my explanation time stamped and ready to post AFTER Archangel shares hers. Archangel, let me see if I have this straight: Day 1, you saw something that made you suspicious of colby, but you didn't say anything at the time Day 2, you were no longer suspicious of colby because of the reveals, but still didn't want to say anything because it would be 'anti-Town' Day 3, it turns out colby was Scum, so your initial suspicion was shown to be correct. Whatever it was that caused you to no longer be suspicious was apparently incorrect. So whatever it was that you might have shared with us on Day 2 turned out to be incorrect thinking (since your suspicions should not have been assuaged)...so what harm can come of sharing it now? You say it will "affect other people"; what of it? Your instincts have already shouwn to be fallible, so why not share what you have seen and let the rest of us come to our own conclusions? LightFoot, do you think that now would be a good time to share whatever it is you have to say? Almost right. The reveals made me believe that first thing I'd seen was wrong. In retrospect, with Cody flipping scum, I was in fact right. But for the seventy-billionth time, I'm not saying what it was because it will harm TOWN to do so. If/when I see someone else do the same thing, if it will help catch scum, I will say so, but not until then.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 19:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 19:43:04 GMT -5
Has it been established yet whether SCUM received a sample Vanilla TOWN pm that they could use as cover ? I will not be directly answering this one. I will not directly give you " no comment " either. Let me reiterate that I believe that it would be impossible for players in this game to do a hand shake. Disseminate from that.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 19:51:06 GMT -5
One other thing we are assuming, that we need to confirm Meeko, were all players made aware of their role at the beginning of the game (Night 0)?I gave all the role pms at the same "time" in the game. Obviously, I can't send out 2 dozen or so pms all at _once_, so you know what I mean to say here. When people confirmed their roles, well, that can't be on the shoulders of a Mod. But no, it's not like some player or players had some additional timing step for their information, or that they had to "earn" their information by any kind of "Trigger" or time duration. Frankly*, you guys are trying to make this game Gastard. I have new respect for that one quote, that Players are more gastardly to themselves, than Mods could ever think of being. * I wanted to hold this comment off until the end of the game, but I think you guys need this perspective now. If I just broke my own game, oh well. But I really don't think I did. And trust me, I will have a lot to say after this game. And I will leave that, at that.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 18, 2011 19:56:12 GMT -5
Ugh... Back to square one SP... The fact that you either didn't know the answer to what ED ask about the scum knowing each other or you just played dumb and went along with what was being said... Will have to think about that one.
Why do I think of you SP now every time that i am forced to watch Spongebob. There is a character called Plankton...
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 20:11:39 GMT -5
Why do I think of you SP now every time that i am forced to watch Spongebob. There is a character called Plankton... "... A Booster Seat ?! Hot Dog!!!! "
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 20:18:07 GMT -5
Ugh... Back to square one SP... The fact that you either didn't know the answer to what ED ask about the scum knowing each other or you just played dumb and went along with what was being said... Will have to think about that one. Why do I think of you SP now every time that i am forced to watch Spongebob. There is a character called Plankton... When in doubt, it's always safe to assume I was ignorant Regarding the Spongebob thing...it's even worse than you realize. My first name is Gary (Spongebob's pet snail, for those not "in the know").
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 20:21:05 GMT -5
Frankly*, you guys are trying to make this game Gastard. I blame Ed. You did throw us for a loop with the "Scum not knowing their identities" thing. Now I have to go back and re-re-read the first couple Days so that I can unthink all of the stuff that I thought after I found out that things weren't the way I thought they were to begin with. And you thought modding this game was hard...
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Post by Meeko on Jul 18, 2011 20:26:32 GMT -5
Regarding the Spongebob thing...it's even worse than you realize. My first name is Gary (Spongebob's pet snail, for those not "in the know"). Meow.
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Post by special on Jul 18, 2011 22:40:55 GMT -5
Where is everyone?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 23:36:47 GMT -5
I'm hiding from Meeko. He's kinda creeping me out tonight...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2011 23:39:15 GMT -5
On a more serious note, I was somewhat turned around by the revelation that the Scum did in fact know each other's identities to start the game, causing me to rethink what I had already rethought earlier in the Day. I'm still trying to reprocess things.
Also, the Giants are up 5-0 on the Dodgers, so I'm enjoying that even more than Mafia.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Jul 19, 2011 0:07:37 GMT -5
hmmm... I'll be off line for 2 weeks. I just got the opportunity to canoe with a local tribe.
out run archangel
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Post by special on Jul 19, 2011 0:18:31 GMT -5
hmmm... I'll be off line for 2 weeks. I just got the opportunity to canoe with a local tribe. out run archangelSo, basically we should expect the same from you as usual? ;D
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Post by guiri on Jul 19, 2011 1:16:38 GMT -5
The reveals made me believe that first thing I'd seen was wrong. In retrospect, with Cody flipping scum, I was in fact right. But for the seventy-billionth time, I'm not saying what it was because it will harm TOWN to do so. If/when I see someone else do the same thing, if it will help catch scum, I will say so, but not until then. You have 3 votes now and are understandably under a fair amount of suspicion since Colby flipped scum. If you are Town, at what point is the harm of a mislynch, with little information to be gained, greater than the harm of sharing your thoughts? You've posted about little else apart from this topic, what are your thoughts on other players? The game in general? Do you really think Special Ed is scum because he's suggested a possible scum motivation for your play?
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Post by guiri on Jul 19, 2011 1:23:46 GMT -5
Ugh... Back to square one SP... The fact that you either didn't know the answer to what ED ask about the scum knowing each other or you just played dumb and went along with what was being said... Will have to think about that one. What do you think of moodymitchy's reaction to the misinformation?
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