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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 1, 2011 17:59:34 GMT -5
YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by texcat on Nov 1, 2011 18:03:28 GMT -5
Boo! Boo! Boo! Go scum!
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Post by BillMc on Nov 1, 2011 18:07:37 GMT -5
YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah Unvote: texcat since she's now pushing up the scummy daisies
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Post by BillMc on Nov 1, 2011 18:09:50 GMT -5
still two of the three turned out to be scum. i meant two of three are town as revealed by their reveal. So you meant the complete opposite of what you wrote? Vote: gnarlycharlie
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 1, 2011 18:13:44 GMT -5
Sweet.... gotta love when you're right and a scum bites it. Those moments are few and far between for me.
Good job Ginger, the way I saw it, it was win win for us either way. But it came out best case scenario. Dead scum and a confirmed town... and we still get to lynch a possible second scum.
I need to look at a player's list and then reread Day 2/3 and see what jumps out at me.
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 1, 2011 18:17:24 GMT -5
For reference:
1. Suburban Plankton - Crazy Dan, Vanilla Townie, Killed Night 2. 2. Paulwhoisaghost 3. Mr. Special Ed
4. Texcat - Darlene Harris, Mafia Hypnotist, Desperado Killed Day 4. 5. Inner Stickler 6. Peekercpa 7. Honest Moley
8. Sister Coyote - Penny Baker, Vanilla Town, Died Day 2.
9. Silver Jan - Edna Brown, Vanilla Town, Lynched Day Three. 10. Deni
11. Scathach, Drew, Vanilla townie, lynched day one.
12. moodymitchy - Meredith Hightower, Insane Hygienist, Killed Night 3. 13. Pollux Oil 14. JustBeingGinger
15. Colby - Sam, Vanilla Town, lynched day 2. 16.Sinjin , was Septimus - Franklin, Vanilla Town, died of poison night 2. 17. Drain Bead - Alfred Bell, Tracker, Died of poison day 3. 18. Gnarlycharlie, was zuma 19. LightFoot 20. Deon 21. BillMC
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 1, 2011 18:23:57 GMT -5
Thanks Paranoia... that sure is handy.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 1, 2011 19:53:39 GMT -5
So Deon are you going to contribute anything other than a vote count?
Ed So now that your two "scumbuddies" are town, anyone else on your list?
Gnarly, I consider you one of a very few that are good players. You just don't make those kind of mistakes. Not sure what to think about that.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 1, 2011 20:08:07 GMT -5
Good job the way that played out. I had some to add earlier Today but about the time I was going to b able to post, the "event" started. (It evolved around my thoughts on texcat / Ginger so moot now)
I must say this line jumped out at me from the colour
What sort of a 'partner' are we thinking we have here? ( could it be something other than just a regular Scumbuddy? )
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It may have been said before, but I find it unusual that Bill is still alive.
Granted, it may have already been suggested that Scum has left him alone so Town would lynch him for not being dead, but this has gone on a while now.
AND that combined with his not voting D1 and D3 seems rather odd. Granted, his vote ToDay for texcat makes me go hmmm
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Does anyone else read paulwiag's power as a what the? it seems like it would be more suited as a non-Towm power?
If I'm missing something and it could benefit Town in some way could someone enlighten me?
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One other note, did Ed begin playing advocate for texcat (or at the least advocate the lynch of Ginger ) and then change his tune when texcat's Night 0 protection slip was pointed out?
~~~~~~~~~~ Call this smudgey if you will, I'm thinking out loud.
I don't have much time just now ( and this colour scheme kills me eyeballs) I wanted to get some thoughts out there.
It will be noted that I'm NOT following this with a vote just now. I'm curious to see what all is said after the most recent reveals
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Post by special on Nov 1, 2011 20:11:15 GMT -5
So Deon are you going to contribute anything other than a vote count? Ed So now that your two "scumbuddies" are town, anyone else on your list? Gnarly, I consider you one of a very few that are good players. You just don't make those kind of mistakes. Not sure what to think about that. well..yeah..obviously this is why I lose more games than I win. Unvote: Ginger
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Post by special on Nov 1, 2011 20:15:34 GMT -5
~~~~~~~~~~~ One other note, did Ed begin playing advocate for texcat (or at the least advocate the lynch of Ginger ) and then change his tune when texcat's Night 0 protection slip was pointed out? ~~~~~~~~~~ I was less advocate for texcat than I was thinking ginger was Scum. Until I saw the disconnect with texcat's claim and claimed action. Of course, at that point, I thought they were both Scum and figured Ginger didn't have the kill power, so I wanted to pressure her to get her to admit it. I was terribly wrong, but it all worked out well, eh? And, in my defense at this point, would I have asked Ginger to try to kill either me or texcat if I knew she likely had the power she claimed?
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 1, 2011 20:28:45 GMT -5
~~~~~~~~~~~ One other note, did Ed begin playing advocate for texcat (or at the least advocate the lynch of Ginger ) and then change his tune when texcat's Night 0 protection slip was pointed out? ~~~~~~~~~~ I was less advocate for texcat than I was thinking ginger was Scum. Until I saw the disconnect with texcat's claim and claimed action. Of course, at that point, I thought they were both Scum and figured Ginger didn't have the kill power, so I wanted to pressure her to get her to admit it. I was terribly wrong, but it all worked out well, eh? And, in my defense at this point, would I have asked Ginger to try to kill either me or texcat if I knew she likely had the power she claimed? Although I can see your point it is not impossible (and Town or Scum you could not have known IF she had the power she claimed) bigger ploys have been tried y'know
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 1, 2011 20:34:43 GMT -5
Gnarly, I consider you one of a very few that are good players. You just don't make those kind of mistakes. Not sure what to think about that. still two of the three turned out to be scum. i meant two of three are town as revealed by their reveal. So you meant the complete opposite of what you wrote? Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color][/quote] yes, it happens. like when paul said doc instead of cop. didn't you defend him for that? i also kept making mistakes in the Clue game in GB about the Day i wanted to reveal. guess what, i was town.
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Post by Deni on Nov 1, 2011 21:48:44 GMT -5
That is awesome!!!! Well done Ginger!!! Feels good to be right every once in awhile.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 1, 2011 22:19:44 GMT -5
That is awesome!!!! Well done Ginger!!! Feels good to be right every once in awhile. Once in a while, yeah. I'd rather make it two-for-two. Once again it's 3AM. Apologies for the drive-by post, but I've just got in and am NOT feeling like I want to be compiling lists of questions for people right now. I've got the day off tomorrow so will try and get a lot more done then. Before I go though, I'd like to hear from Deon. I don't feel as though I know anything about where you stand or who you think is scum. G'night.
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Post by special on Nov 2, 2011 6:58:17 GMT -5
OK, we've got 11 left.
There is most likely 3-4 Scum and 1-2 3rd party.
And 11 unknown. So we've got almost a 50-50 chance of hitting a Scum.
Case coming later...
Vote: Bill
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Post by special on Nov 2, 2011 6:59:46 GMT -5
When I said 11 left, I wasn't including Ginger, who we know is Town, despite my previous certainty
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 10:54:50 GMT -5
Does anyone else read paulwiag's power as a what the? it seems like it would be more suited as a non-Towm power? If I'm missing something and it could benefit Town in some way could someone enlighten me? Yeah... me. I don't understand the role. I don't know what to do with it... i don't see how it helps town. OTOH, I can't see how it would hurt town either. The role as a whole just seems completely pointless. If anyone does have any insights, I'd be happy to hear them. Any idea how I can use this power in a manner that isn't completely pointless?
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Post by BillMc on Nov 2, 2011 12:17:38 GMT -5
yes, it happens. like when paul said doc instead of cop. didn't you defend him for that? i also kept making mistakes in the Clue game in GB about the Day i wanted to reveal. guess what, i was town. No - I didn't defend Paul, twas Ed.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 2, 2011 12:50:32 GMT -5
Ok... this is interesting.
Bit of housekeeping first... the poisoner would seem to make the most sense as a PFK / serial-killer type role. I find it very unlikely that a town poisoner would kill the town tracker, or that a scum one would daykill the person Tex was supposed to be protecting. I'm confident enough of this that I'm going to make that assumption throughout this post.
I'll start by addressing Ed.
When I went to bed last night, my "likely scum" list read like this: you. Deni. Peeker. Having read your posts again today and especially your posts to Ginger daring her to use her power on you is a pretty risky move if you're scum - I'm reconsidering. I won't rehash the problems I've had with your case on Ginger; I've already gone into those and I don't see that trying to come up with explanations for them will make your alignment any clearer.
Here's something you can answer though:
You pointed out some problems with Texcat's points on Sinjin, but in a way that implied he was ineffective town rather than scum. I'll quote:
The next day I made a case on Tex citing in more detail the problems with this vote. What really bothers me here is that you didn't vote for Tex on day three.
My question is this: why didn't you place a vote on Day Three? Did you consider voting Tex, or anybody else?
Other things I'm thinking...
Lightfoot and Paul still seem townish to me. I would be surprised if Lightfoot was scum, given her support of my Tex vote; and shocked if Paul was. (At the moment he's the only player in the game of who I'd say that.) Having said that, Paul... I hate the fact that you didn't vote. I hate it more because I think you're town. In the first two days you seemed to be playing harder than anybody else bar Sinjin. What happened?
Bill... I don't know what happened to the guy who was instrumental in taking out four scum in a row last game. I'm not getting a scummy / PFK "vibe" from you either, but I can't name anything you've done to clear yourself. The Gnarley vote, for example... all this new evidence, and that's the best you could come up with?
Deni... For the first three days, pretty much the entire time, I've been thinking of you as likely town. Your reasoning has been very convincing, very town-like, even if it hasn't brought tangible results in terms of dead scum. I haven't noticed any major contradictions in terms of what you've been saying. Problem: I said the same thing about Guiri in "Wonderland", and he turned out to be the last scum. I hate making the same mistakes twice.
You've given two reasons for your suspicions of Paul - one regarding a vote change that you called suspicious but that seems to me as though Paul just changed his mind, one regarding his lack of voting and attention over the past two days. I agree with the facts of the second point but I don't see why they should be perceived as scummy. (If it was a valid reason, Deon would already have been lynched. And yeah, I got a lot more to say on that subject.) Your other two main suspects, Silver Jan and Ginger, are both confirmed town. Despite this, I don't see anybody else suspecting you, or even really noticing you. That vaguely bothers me in the same way that Tex's under-the-radar-ness vaguely bothered me.
My question to you is simple. Now that Ginger and Jan are out of the picture, I want to know where you stand. Who do you think is scum, who should be lynched?
Peeker... you seem really, really careless, and not "into" this game at all. You didn't read Moody's role properly before voting him, or you'd have realised that he claimed responsibility for Sis C's delayed death; you say you didn't read Ginger's role properly today either. I feel your suspicions of me are unsubstantiated: you added nothing to Paul's points yesterday bar some smudging.
I'm reconsidering you right now because of your Ginger vote today. You're in essentially the same position as Ed: if you're not town then putting yourself in the crossheirs like that is seriously ballsy, especially given that Ginger herself had never actually mentioned you as a possible target. I'd ask you the same question I asked Deni. Who should be lynched, who are the scum?
Deon. I have no idea who you suspect or where you're positioned in this game. I know you voted Colby twice and he flipped town. So have several Colby votors. As far as "tells" go, I have nothing from you. You could be town, scum, PFK, vanilla, role-player... Please give me SOMETHING to work with here. I don't vote "on principle" or to force people to talk. But I don't know what else to do at this point.
Ok, wrapping up because I have to go... I gotta re-read Pollux and Inner in detail still, but my recent impressions of both have been fairly positive. If it turns out they're both town then all five of my initial suspects, including all three early Scathach votors, were wrong. So much for my contention that scum always lead bandwagons against the newbies on this board...
General impressions...
Leaning town - Paul. Leaning town but also possibly PFK / poisoner: Pollux, Lightfoot, Inner. People I have no read on: Deon, Bill, Gnarley. Definite suspicions of: Deni, Ed, Peeker.
And finally: People who need to start playing this damn game like they mean it: Bill, Peeker, Deon, Gnarley.
Oh, and unvote: Dead Scum.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 13:08:49 GMT -5
For his lack of trying playing and basically drive by posts with no nothing to go off on.
Vote Deon
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 13:11:05 GMT -5
@Honest Moley, don't give Ed too much credit for telling me to shoot at him. Keep in mind he never believed that I had my power and I was telling the truth. Just food for thought. I don't know his alignment and I have never played with him when he has been scum.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 13:33:09 GMT -5
BillMc's play has been way off this game. It might be that RL has gotten in the way, but still his scum hunting skills have not been here. I don't like the theory that since Bill is still in the game, he must be scum. Lightfoot has also not been "lightfootish". Very quiet, maybe the cold drugs killed too many brain cells. I am suspicious of anyone who did not believe me a little bit when I claimed. In fact Peeker stated that I was "Full of shit"...
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Post by special on Nov 2, 2011 14:05:14 GMT -5
@ Honest Moley, don't give Ed too much credit for telling me to shoot at him. Keep in mind he never believed that I had my power and I was telling the truth. Just food for thought. I don't know his alignment and I have never played with him when he has been scum. That's part of the point. If I were Scum, I would have likely believed you were being honest, since I would have known you weren't Scum. @ Moley, I was not considering voting texcat. I was considering voting for Ginger. Until it was pointed out toDay, I didn't see the slip in texcat's claim. I would have voted for Ginger. I fully anticipated being around at DayEnd on Day 3, but I wasn't. I don't think there was any doubt at that point where my suspicion was.
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Post by special on Nov 2, 2011 14:07:00 GMT -5
I am suspicious of anyone who did not believe me a little bit when I claimed. In fact Peeker stated that I was "Full of shit"... Is there a valid 'these people are more likely Scum because..." thought to this? Or is it just OMGUS? I am certainly not one to believe a claim at face value, and was even more disbeliving when you didn't even seem to know how your power worked.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 14:28:02 GMT -5
I am suspicious of anyone who did not believe me a little bit when I claimed. In fact Peeker stated that I was "Full of shit"... Is there a valid 'these people are more likely Scum because..." thought to this? Or is it just OMGUS? I am certainly not one to believe a claim at face value, and was even more disbeliving when you didn't even seem to know how your power worked. No, I fully expect town to question and to some extent believe. It is those that are "sure" that I am either false claiming or believe in my claim 100% that I don't trust. As a SCUM player, they would already know that I was, but they would not know my power, but they would trust that since I claimed, I was telling the truth. So in that theory if they are trying to shed some scummy false claim light on me, they are going to come out and say they don't believe me to get the others to possibly not believe me as well. This very well could be my twisted sense of logic here... It was not that I didn't know how it worked, it was not clear if I shot town if we both died or not, that is all.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 2, 2011 14:56:15 GMT -5
With this colour scheme I can’t even open this game unless the boss is out of the office.
I’m tracking your logic Ginger Although SCUM knows who is Scum and would assume a Town power was not false claiming BUT they don’t know who is 3rd party or such. (so that could cloud things)
To your previous comments about me… Still have this NSFBK flu boss won’t let me take time off either and I have a new man friend in my life so I’ve not been as “here” in the expected sense I imagine.
Eod will occur after I get off work. I plan to have put things together for a supported vote .
I have a player or two in mind but need to do more than just drop a vote (as others have been known to do) if I have any time at all to submit a case to go with it.
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Post by deon on Nov 2, 2011 15:22:06 GMT -5
So Deon are you going to contribute anything other than a vote count? Ed So now that your two "scumbuddies" are town, anyone else on your list? Gnarly, I consider you one of a very few that are good players. You just don't make those kind of mistakes. Not sure what to think about that. And here I thought that even with 20 hour working days the past week, which should end on the 3rd :-), and a special event preventing me to post until now for today, that sumone would have actually seen sum of the posts I made so far :-(
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Post by deon on Nov 2, 2011 15:23:38 GMT -5
Ok... this is interesting. Bit of housekeeping first... the poisoner would seem to make the most sense as a PFK / serial-killer type role. I find it very unlikely that a town poisoner would kill the town tracker, or that a scum one would daykill the person Tex was supposed to be protecting. I'm confident enough of this that I'm going to make that assumption throughout this post. I'll start by addressing Ed. When I went to bed last night, my "likely scum" list read like this: you. Deni. Peeker. Having read your posts again today and especially your posts to Ginger daring her to use her power on you is a pretty risky move if you're scum - I'm reconsidering. I won't rehash the problems I've had with your case on Ginger; I've already gone into those and I don't see that trying to come up with explanations for them will make your alignment any clearer. Here's something you can answer though: You pointed out some problems with Texcat's points on Sinjin, but in a way that implied he was ineffective town rather than scum. I'll quote: The next day I made a case on Tex citing in more detail the problems with this vote. What really bothers me here is that you didn't vote for Tex on day three. My question is this: why didn't you place a vote on Day Three? Did you consider voting Tex, or anybody else? Other things I'm thinking... Lightfoot and Paul still seem townish to me. I would be surprised if Lightfoot was scum, given her support of my Tex vote; and shocked if Paul was. (At the moment he's the only player in the game of who I'd say that.) Having said that, Paul... I hate the fact that you didn't vote. I hate it more because I think you're town. In the first two days you seemed to be playing harder than anybody else bar Sinjin. What happened? Bill... I don't know what happened to the guy who was instrumental in taking out four scum in a row last game. I'm not getting a scummy / PFK "vibe" from you either, but I can't name anything you've done to clear yourself. The Gnarley vote, for example... all this new evidence, and that's the best you could come up with? Deni... For the first three days, pretty much the entire time, I've been thinking of you as likely town. Your reasoning has been very convincing, very town-like, even if it hasn't brought tangible results in terms of dead scum. I haven't noticed any major contradictions in terms of what you've been saying. Problem: I said the same thing about Guiri in "Wonderland", and he turned out to be the last scum. I hate making the same mistakes twice. You've given two reasons for your suspicions of Paul - one regarding a vote change that you called suspicious but that seems to me as though Paul just changed his mind, one regarding his lack of voting and attention over the past two days. I agree with the facts of the second point but I don't see why they should be perceived as scummy. (If it was a valid reason, Deon would already have been lynched. And yeah, I got a lot more to say on that subject.) Your other two main suspects, Silver Jan and Ginger, are both confirmed town. Despite this, I don't see anybody else suspecting you, or even really noticing you. That vaguely bothers me in the same way that Tex's under-the-radar-ness vaguely bothered me. My question to you is simple. Now that Ginger and Jan are out of the picture, I want to know where you stand. Who do you think is scum, who should be lynched? Peeker... you seem really, really careless, and not "into" this game at all. You didn't read Moody's role properly before voting him, or you'd have realised that he claimed responsibility for Sis C's delayed death; you say you didn't read Ginger's role properly today either. I feel your suspicions of me are unsubstantiated: you added nothing to Paul's points yesterday bar some smudging. I'm reconsidering you right now because of your Ginger vote today. You're in essentially the same position as Ed: if you're not town then putting yourself in the crossheirs like that is seriously ballsy, especially given that Ginger herself had never actually mentioned you as a possible target. I'd ask you the same question I asked Deni. Who should be lynched, who are the scum? Deon. I have no idea who you suspect or where you're positioned in this game. I know you voted Colby twice and he flipped town. So have several Colby votors. As far as "tells" go, I have nothing from you. You could be town, scum, PFK, vanilla, role-player... Please give me SOMETHING to work with here. I don't vote "on principle" or to force people to talk. But I don't know what else to do at this point. Ok, wrapping up because I have to go... I gotta re-read Pollux and Inner in detail still, but my recent impressions of both have been fairly positive. If it turns out they're both town then all five of my initial suspects, including all three early Scathach votors, were wrong. So much for my contention that scum always lead bandwagons against the newbies on this board... General impressions... Leaning town - Paul. Leaning town but also possibly PFK / poisoner: Pollux, Lightfoot, Inner.People I have no read on: Deon, Bill, Gnarley. Definite suspicions of: Deni, Ed, Peeker. And finally: People who need to start playing this damn game like they mean it: Bill, Peeker, Deon, Gnarley. Oh, and unvote: Dead Scum. Easily done - I like to vote for people who think I voted for a townie, when in fact I gave my reasoning for suspecting sumone to be scummy due to their actions, so you are now the third person to be added to my list at this stage....
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Post by deon on Nov 2, 2011 15:29:34 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made:
Vote: Moley
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